Dem senators: Legalized illegal immigrants will have to wait around 10 years to apply for a green card

posted at 2:01 pm on February 8, 2013 by Allahpundit

Worth noting now since it’s potentially another sticking point between Rubio and the rest of the Gang of Eight who desperately need him to sell immigration reform to the right. By now, everyone knows the main bone of contention between him and Schumer et al. Rubio wants the path to citizenship implemented only after border enforcement increases; Democrats want it implemented concurrently with — and independent of — the new security measures. (Both sides agree that probationary legal status will be granted immediately, though. Ahem.) Read the fine print on their proposals, though, and you’ll find another disagreement. Namely, once the path to citizenship is in effect, how long will it/should it take for a newly legalized illegal to become eligible for permanent resident status (i.e. a green card)? Here’s what Rubio told Red State:

First, those who have violated our immigration laws must come forward and undergo a background check. If they have committed a serious crime, they will be deported. If they have not, they will have two choices. They can avail themselves of the current law which requires them to return to their native country, wait ten years and then apply for a green card. Or if they decide to remain in the United States, they will do so under the equivalent of a non-immigrant work permit by paying a substantial fine and back taxes. If they choose the non-immigrant work visa, they will not qualify for any federal benefits, including ObamaCare.

Those who choose the non-immigrant work permit will not be allowed to apply for a green card for a substantial period of time. And they will not be allowed to apply until the enforcement mechanisms outlined above are in place. Thereafter, once these conditions are met, and if they have not violated any laws while holding the work permit, the only thing they will be allowed to do is apply for a green card using the same process everyone else uses. That is, they apply, they wait in line behind everyone who has applied before them and when their turn comes up, they have to qualify for one of the existing green card programs.

I noticed the “substantial period of time” language last week and speculated that “substantial” must mean “more than 10 years.” Otherwise, there’s no strong incentive for an illegal immigrant who wants citizenship to choose the first option offered by Rubio, leaving the U.S. and applying for a green card through normal channels after waiting, er … 10 years. Granted, you could avoid the “substantial fine and back taxes” that are a condition of obtaining a work visa by going that route, and if — if — Rubio gets his way on using enforcement as a trigger for citizenship, you’d avoid whatever extra small delay is involved before the border is officially certified as “secure.” But if they’re serious about punishing illegals by sending them to the back of the line behind law-abiding green-card applicants, how can the wait time be roughly the same for both groups?

And yet, if Durbin and Menendez have their way, it will be:

The process “is likely to be in the range of 10 years, I say in the range because we have not nailed this down,” Durbin said. He said various factors go into the timeline, including the need to establish border security first, something Republicans have insisted on…

“If you think about it, under current law there is a 10-year bar, so the bottom line is you would have to wait anyway,” Menendez said. “The difference is you would get the opportunity to be here, to come forward, to work, to travel, and in doing so to earn your pathway” to citizenship.

Surely immigration advocates must be pleased that illegals will face approximately the same time frame for permanent residency as other applicants, right? Wrong:

A green card is the crucial first step toward citizenship although it takes up to five years for a green card holder to become a citizen under current law. So if it takes 10 years to get a green card, the total wait time for citizenship could be closer to 15, advocates fear.

“We understand that bipartisan lawmaking requires compromise. But we think waiting 15 years for a chance to become a citizen is too long,” said Frank Sharry, executive director of America’s Voice. “We will continue to fight for a clear, direct and inclusive path to citizenship that has achievable requirements and a more reasonable time frame.”

Translation: Democrats don’t have a lot of leeway with immigration special-interest groups to make the “substantial period of time” much more substantial than 10 years. Which is ironic, because the group they’re ostensibly fighting for here — illegals — might very well accept Rubio’s longer time frame for citizenship in exchange for the right to work legally in America immediately. That’s been Raul Labrador’s point all along: Most illegals he’s encountered as an immigration lawyer don’t care about becoming citizens, he claims, they care about jobs. Democrats, of course, care about the opposite; they’re willing to supply cheap labor to business even if it depresses wages for U.S. citizens in the expectation that they’ll net millions more Latino votes a decade or so from now. (And big labor is happy to support them in the expectation that today’s illegal worker is tomorrow’s legalized dues-paying union member.) So the 10-year timeline for green-card eligibility may budge a little among Schumer and crew but it won’t budge much. Will Rubio?


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They’re not immigrants. They are law breakers, illegal aliens.

Legal immigrants are immigrants, fools.

Schadenfreude on February 8, 2013 at 2:04 PM

RWM and JPeterson are legal immigrants, and the US should honor and welcome them.

Schadenfreude on February 8, 2013 at 2:05 PM

Focus, focus, focus…pixie dust

Schadenfreude on February 8, 2013 at 2:06 PM

As long as they can get a driver’s license and apply for food stamps right away. According to the Department of Agriculture SNAP stimulates economic growth which means more jobs. Some “accidental” voter registrations won’t hurt either.

Wigglesworth on February 8, 2013 at 2:07 PM

(Both sides agree that probationary legal status will be granted immediately, though. Ahem.)

Emperor Obama will grant it by executive order.

Schadenfreude on February 8, 2013 at 2:07 PM

Newsflash: Once you give someone an unrestricted ‘green card’ they cannot be denied citizenship after a waiting period of 3-5 years.

Unless they commit a felony or misdemeanors that are judged to make them of bad character.

Once they have citizenship they can start importing their family.

What you’re looking at here is literally Open Borders. Good luck with that. It worked out so well in Europe.

CorporatePiggy on February 8, 2013 at 2:07 PM

If they wait 10 years to get apply got a Green Card, it will take at least 2 years to get the Green Card after they applied for it, then they have to stay 5 years on the Green Card status to apply for Citizenship and it will take at least one year to become citizens after that… A total process of at least 18 years to become citizens… Certainly better than just simple amnesty… However the best solution is to never let them be citizens but just grant them working visas that can be renewed every five years with a fee.

mnjg on February 8, 2013 at 2:07 PM

The problem is again we’re trusting the Dems to keep their end of the bargain. First with respect to securing the border and secondly to not go ahead and offer amnesty once the bill has been signed into law. Call me a cynic, but for some odd reason I just can’t bring myself to put a lot of faith in the modern day Democrat Party.

Doughboy on February 8, 2013 at 2:08 PM

Open the borders to the entire world and be done with.

Rome lasted so much longer.

The US is done, done, done, cooked.

Schadenfreude on February 8, 2013 at 2:08 PM

“We understand that bipartisan lawmaking requires compromise. But we think waiting 15 years for a chance to become a citizen is too long,” said Frank Sharry, executive director of America’s Voice. “We will continue to fight for a clear, direct and inclusive path to citizenship that has achievable requirements and a more reasonable time frame.”

Achievable requirements? Hey, how about not coming here in the first place if you’re not willing to abide by CURRENT laws and the process we already have.

changer1701 on February 8, 2013 at 2:09 PM

Imagine the bureaucracy and more idiots working at the agencies. Have you ever been there? Only morons work there, of a variety of sorts.

Schadenfreude on February 8, 2013 at 2:09 PM

If they have to wait 10 years to apply for a Green Card, it will take at least 2 years to get the Green Card after they applied for it, then they have to stay 5 years on the Green Card status to apply for Citizenship and it will take at least one year to become citizens after that… A total process of at least 18 years to become citizens… Certainly better than just simple amnesty… However the best solution is to never let them be citizens but just grant them working visas that can be renewed every five years with a fee.

mnjg on February 8, 2013 at 2:10 PM

There’s a new poll out showing 51% of Republicans disapprove of the job the GOP is doing in Congress. Guess what happens to the party if it has a number like this right before an election? Can’t wait to see how the polls look after Boehner rams through amnesty and gun control.

Wigglesworth on February 8, 2013 at 2:12 PM

I’m fine with this though I think they should make it 18 years. Especially before given the right to vote. American citizens have to wait until they’re 18, it’s only fair that those who have already broken the law have to wait too.

jawkneemusic on February 8, 2013 at 2:12 PM

Illegal Aliens, also known as citizens of another nation illegally raping our land of our resources and citizens of their opportunities and wealth creation will be given immediate amnesty to legally continue raping.

Here is my question. If you give these 20 million or so people the ability to be in this nation legally, what are you willing to do for my inlaw family members stuck in the Philippines with no hope of being given the ability to live in this nation and help raise my family? Exactly, NOTHING.

astonerii on February 8, 2013 at 2:13 PM

Most illegals he’s encountered as an immigration lawyer don’t care about becoming citizens, he claims, they care about jobs.

That’s exactly what I’ve been saying for years. Illegals just want to work. It’s the Democrat party that wants to give them citizenship for obvious reasons.

If we allowed people to freely move between their home country and the US to work, we wouldn’t have an illegal immigrant problem because they wouldn’t be trapped here once they’ve arrived. As things are now, they are trapped here. Would you leave if you risked your life and savings to get here?

Charlemagne on February 8, 2013 at 2:14 PM

What’s with all this pussy-footing around? Just put an affordable price tag on United States citizenship–say a sliding scale of $1.05-$2,000/person–then sell citizenship to anyone who can pony up the cash.

These half-measures are laughable, on their face.

Christien on February 8, 2013 at 2:14 PM

They can vote, twice, for Obama, like the OH election official did.

Schadenfreude on February 8, 2013 at 2:14 PM

Why should illegals ever have the opportunity to become citizens?

Permanent residents? Maybe.

Citizens? Hell no.

steebo77 on February 8, 2013 at 2:14 PM

newly legalized illegal

Dude, thanks for the smirks.

Schadenfreude on February 8, 2013 at 2:15 PM

I’m fine with this though I think they should make it 18 years. Especially before given the right to vote. American citizens have to wait until they’re 18, it’s only fair that those who have already broken the law have to wait too.

jawkneemusic on February 8, 2013 at 2:12 PM

Anyone who entered America illegally, and was eventually granted amnesty should be permanently bared from voting.

SWalker on February 8, 2013 at 2:15 PM

Still waiting for an answer to a simple question, HOW MANY ILLEGALS even want to be US citizens?

GarandFan on February 8, 2013 at 2:15 PM

mnjg on February 8, 2013 at 2:10 PM

The best solution is to enforce workplace laws, put company employees in prison and government welfare people in prison if they hire or give assistance to the illegals. When enough have self deported, round the rest up as best you can and put them in chains and put them in forced labor camps.

astonerii on February 8, 2013 at 2:15 PM

I’m not fine with this.

If you reward bad behavior you get even more bad behavior. Every time.

see: Middle East. Also: Chicago.

CorporatePiggy on February 8, 2013 at 2:16 PM

(Both sides agree that probationary legal status will be granted immediately, though. Ahem.)

This is everything, not some parenthetical.

The more you focus on citizenship, the more likely the amnesty (AKA legalization) is going to happen. Once millions of illegal immigrants go through the process of legalization and have all their paperwork, citizenship or voting becomes a reality with a quick stroke of a pen. Probably from an executive order or new administrative ruling.

After all, in the US all permanent legal immigrants have a right to vote, even without citizenship (AKA green card holders). Work and student visas are considered “temporary”. But what is the status of these newly legalized people? Do we even know? Legalization is not, after all, restricted only to workers or students. So why couldn’t a court or administration determiner that they are permanent in time for the 2014 election?

Nessuno on February 8, 2013 at 2:17 PM

Most illegals he’s encountered as an immigration lawyer don’t care about becoming citizens, he claims, they care about jobs.

This is absolutely true. Virtually the only ones pushing for citizenship as opposed to permanent residency are radical groups, like the Democrat Party, for obvious reasons.

steebo77 on February 8, 2013 at 2:17 PM

DC is a bunch of rank amateurs pussy-footing around. Set a price for Unites States citizenship–say $1.05-$2,000/person on a sliding scale, of course–then sell to anyone who can pony up the cash.

These half-measures are laughable on their face.

Christien on February 8, 2013 at 2:17 PM

I thought we were only to use Out of Status…shameful AP…

hillsoftx on February 8, 2013 at 2:19 PM

As things are now, they are trapped here. Would you leave if you risked your life and savings to get here?

Charlemagne on February 8, 2013 at 2:14 PM

The average semi-skilled to entry level job in Mexico pays $2.00 a day. They can make 5 times that in a single hour here. They are not trapped, and it takes a very short amount of time to recoup their life savings.

SWalker on February 8, 2013 at 2:19 PM

That’s been Raul Labrador’s point all along: Most illegals he’s encountered as an immigration lawyer don’t care about becoming citizens, he claims, they care about jobs. Democrats, of course, care about the opposite; they’re willing to supply cheap labor to business even if it depresses wages for U.S. citizens in the expectation that they’ll net millions more Latino votes a decade or so from now. (And big labor is happy to support them in the expectation that today’s illegal worker is tomorrow’s legalized dues-paying union member.) So the 10-year timeline for green-card eligibility may budge a little among Schumer and crew but it won’t budge much. Will Rubio?

And the R masters in DC and operatives elsewhere care for cheap labor for big business and the taxpayers carry all.

May the devil strike you all.

Starve the looters or be destroyed by them.

The land it totally Fluked, from all sides.

Wake up good people of America, or enjoy your new AmeriKa.

You, the still free, will deserve it in full. May they destroy you all if you don’t learn.

Schadenfreude on February 8, 2013 at 2:19 PM

The best solution is to enforce workplace laws, put company employees in prison and government welfare people in prison if they hire or give assistance to the illegals. When enough have self deported, round the rest up as best you can and put them in chains and put them in forced labor camps.

astonerii on February 8, 2013 at 2:15 PM

It will not work… The majority of illegal immigrants work for small businesses such as gas stations, small grocery/convenient stores, non chain restaurants, small cleaning businesses, small construction and landscaping businesses, small farm businesses, etc… and no one is going to go after the small businesses… It is just the reality of the world…

mnjg on February 8, 2013 at 2:20 PM

After all, in the US all permanent legal immigrants have a right to vote, even without citizenship (AKA green card holders).

Nessuno on February 8, 2013 at 2:17 PM

Not in federal elections:

Only U.S. citizens can vote in federal elections. Registering to vote or voting in a federal election is a crime if you are not a U.S. citizen. Non-U.S. citizens, including permanent residents (green card holders), who vote, or register to vote, in a federal election also can be denied naturalization and/or removed (deported) from the United States.

There are very few jurisdictions where a non-U.S. citizen may vote in a local election. However, this web site does not provide information regarding voting qualifications for state and local elections. You can obtain information regarding voting qualifications in local elections from your local voting authority. It is important to remember that even if you are allowed to vote in a local election, you are not eligible to vote in a federal election if you are not a U.S. citizen, nor in any other election that requires you to be a U.S. citizen.

steebo77 on February 8, 2013 at 2:20 PM

These are the voters for Obama

Beaufort, N.C.

Jan. 17, 2013

TO THE EDITOR:

Republicans and “so-called” conservatives are at it again. They are claiming that the Constitution gives people the right to have guns without the permission of the government. If that were true, then how could New York and Chicago have laws against it?

We Democrats are sick and tired of Republicans constantly using the Constitution to cover up their true plans, which are to make us all afraid of everyone else. Our great president came from a civilized part of the country where there is strict gun control, and he is only trying to bring the benefits of that more modern way of living to the rest of us. I don’t know the exact statistics, but I’m quite certain that Chicago is a lot safer that Morehead City, when it comes to gun violence.

But do Republicans and conservatives listen to the voice of reason? No, of course not. All they want to do is whine and complain about how gun control and wealth redistribution violate the Constitution, as if the Constitution were all that great, anyway. There are a lot of things that need to be changed about the Constitution, I’d say, and President Obama needs to change it.

The Republicans are just trying to stand in the way, because the president is black. They even dared to question whether he was born in this country. I think all this demonstrates that the Constitution needs to be amended when it comes to the qualifications for being president. Right now, it says that a person has to be 35 years old and be a natural born citizen. Well, that is obviously unfair because there are a great many otherwise qualified people who cannot run for president because their mothers had to have a C-section. But because the Constitution was written a hundred years ago, nobody even thought of the discrimination that would result from a doctor having to deliver a baby in this unnatural way. Now that we Democrats are in control of the government, that’s just one more thing we should change in our drive to make life fair.

Please withhold my name because I don’t want to get crank calls.

The next round will be even more stupid, but in Spanglish.

Schadenfreude on February 8, 2013 at 2:20 PM

Anyone who entered America illegally, and was eventually granted amnesty should be permanently bared from voting.

SWalker on February 8, 2013 at 2:15 PM

In a sane and just America, I would agree, but that obviously no longer exists.

jawkneemusic on February 8, 2013 at 2:20 PM

*Correction to my previous comment. Permanent residents who aren’t citizens can’t vote in federal elections, but they can in state and local depending on the state. Where I live and a lot of other places, permanent residents, including these newly legalized people most likely can vote in state elections..

Nessuno on February 8, 2013 at 2:21 PM

Still waiting for an answer to a simple question, HOW MANY ILLEGALS even want to be US citizens?

GarandFan on February 8, 2013 at 2:15 PM

What makes you think that they have any choice in the matter?

SWalker on February 8, 2013 at 2:21 PM

Instant citizenship, for a nominal fee. $1.05 sounds like the right price for freedom.

Christien on February 8, 2013 at 2:22 PM

Bah. In two to five years they’ll change the law to eliminate the time delay and then they’ll count the time waiting for a green card towards the time to wait before applying for citizenship.

Laws are made to be changed later. If you haven’t figured that out yet, you aren’t paying attention.

Dusty on February 8, 2013 at 2:22 PM

RINO. RINO RINO RINO RINO!!!

Flapjackmaka on February 8, 2013 at 2:23 PM

It will not work… The majority of illegal immigrants work for small businesses such as gas stations, small grocery/convenient stores, non chain restaurants, small cleaning businesses, small construction and landscaping businesses, small farm businesses, etc… and no one is going to go after the small businesses… It is just the reality of the world…

mnjg on February 8, 2013 at 2:20 PM

I am willing to. Down to the person hiring a babysitter or lawncare person and having police sweep the day laborer locations as well.

Put some people behind bars and dry up their earning capabilities.

Which do you think would be cheaper? A few years of enforcement or centuries of the harm they will cause to this nation?

astonerii on February 8, 2013 at 2:24 PM

After all, in the US all permanent legal immigrants have a right to vote, even without citizenship (AKA green card holders).
Nessuno on February 8, 2013 at 2:17 PM

Absolutely not true under Federal Law.

Now if you live in a sanctuary city, well they might let you vote for local elections.

CorporatePiggy on February 8, 2013 at 2:24 PM

After all, in the US all permanent legal immigrants have a right to vote, even without citizenship (AKA green card holders).

Nessuno on February 8, 2013 at 2:17 PM

Absolutely not TRUE… Who told you this lie?…

mnjg on February 8, 2013 at 2:24 PM

If you reward bad behavior you get even more bad behavior. Every time.

see: Middle East. Also: Chicago.

CorporatePiggy on February 8, 2013 at 2:16 PM

See Obama’s re-election. His approval can be at 1% and he’ll be fine. America will be destroyed, apace. He’ll lead the effort.

Schadenfreude on February 8, 2013 at 2:28 PM

Nessuno on February 8, 2013 at 2:17 PM

Don’t spread nonsense, unless you refer to voter fraud.

Schadenfreude on February 8, 2013 at 2:28 PM

The next round will be even more stupid, but in Spanglish.

Schadenfreude on February 8, 2013 at 2:20 PM


Media Having Trouble Finding Right Angle On Obama’s Double-Homicide

SWalker on February 8, 2013 at 2:30 PM

*Correction to my previous comment. Permanent residents who aren’t citizens can’t vote in federal elections, but they can in state and local depending on the state. Where I live and a lot of other places, permanent residents, including these newly legalized people most likely can vote in state elections..

Nessuno on February 8, 2013 at 2:21 PM

Reposted for those who didn’t catch it.

Christien on February 8, 2013 at 2:31 PM

What happens to illegal immigrants who enter after this is signed into law? We then have 3 classes of immigrants? Legal non-permanent residents, illegal legal immigrants waiting 10 years to apply for their green card, and illegal illegal immigrants.

If we cannot accurately count the current illegal immigrant population, how will we ever differentiate between who is already here when the law goes into effect and who enters illegally after the law goes into effect?

My head hurts.

weaselyone on February 8, 2013 at 2:35 PM

These a-holes should be grateful that they are just getting a chance to stay here after breaking our laws. They are getting very cocky in making demands.

Mark1971 on February 8, 2013 at 2:37 PM

If we cannot get a gaurantee that the border will be secured…then Democrats should have no problem limiting this program to the first 11 million or so illegals who sign up and then agree to deport the rest.

weaselyone on February 8, 2013 at 2:38 PM

Call this what it is; the “plantation” owners on the Left are running out of voters and know they need to replenish as fast as they can. Their constituencies are: gays who typically don’t procreate, African-Americans whose percentage of the electorate is declining due to abortions and felonies, and liberal whites, who generally spawn fewer children than conservatives.

You can call the Left’s bluff by offering illegals full amnesty, but no voting rights since they came her illegaly and the “compassionate” Left would refuse.

Tater Salad on February 8, 2013 at 2:39 PM

I have officially given up listening to all of this political horse squeeze from both sides. Unless I read or see the word impeachment, I’m tuned out.

Mr. Arrogant on February 8, 2013 at 2:39 PM

what are you willing to do for my inlaw family members stuck in the Philippines with no hope of being given the ability to live in this nation and help raise my family? Exactly, NOTHING.

astonerii on February 8, 2013 at 2:13 PM

We’re supposed to import people from third world countries to help you raise your family? If you’re incapable of raising your family by yourself, maybe you should stop having kids for a while. Jeez.

cam2 on February 8, 2013 at 2:40 PM

Lefties want the crisis of illegal aliens to use as a club on the GOP. Damn that upstart Rubio for proposing a solution.

Dems and the left: no solutions, no ideas. Just make it worse so it’s an even bigger crisis.

MarkT on February 8, 2013 at 2:41 PM

There’s a new poll out showing 51% of Republicans disapprove of the job the GOP is doing in Congress. Guess what happens to the party if it has a number like this right before an election? Can’t wait to see how the polls look after Boehner rams through amnesty and gun control.

Wigglesworth on February 8, 2013 at 2:12 PM

After Democrats obtain a veto proof majority in the house, Boehner and his merry gang of RINO thieves will switch parties. With the size of their war chests bolstered by tax money funneled to them by the donks, and the MSM actively cooperating, most voters won’t even notice until election day.

Archivarix on February 8, 2013 at 2:44 PM

SWalker on February 8, 2013 at 2:30 PM

Why do you post Onion items. When you find a link that it’s not parody, please post it. I have not found one.

Schadenfreude on February 8, 2013 at 2:44 PM

Border security and a plan in law to control immigration – legal and illegal – and then we can address who are here.

Lacking the above will having us address “undocumented’s” again in twenty or so years.

SouthernRoots on February 8, 2013 at 2:45 PM

We’re supposed to import people from third world countries to help you raise your family? If you’re incapable of raising your family by yourself, maybe you should stop having kids for a while. Jeez.

cam2 on February 8, 2013 at 2:40 PM

Filipinos are one of the hardest working and nicest people on the planet… I will be very happy if we have more “Legal immigrants” from the Philippines… Moreover many of them are highly educated but sadly they are stuck in the poverty of the Philippines…

mnjg on February 8, 2013 at 2:45 PM

Nope, not true. Stop the complaining – they are law breakers and you just want their votes, when they legally can vote.

Amazingoly on February 8, 2013 at 2:46 PM

*Correction to my previous comment. Permanent residents who aren’t citizens can’t vote in federal elections, but they can in state and local depending on the state. Where I live and a lot of other places, permanent residents, including these newly legalized people most likely can vote in state elections..

Nessuno on February 8, 2013 at 2:21 PM

Then they’d have to have two ballot systems…it all is a broken and crooked system, all of it.

Obama didn’t win, he cheated his way through it.

The US deserves her demise.

Schadenfreude on February 8, 2013 at 2:47 PM

Nope, not true. Stop the complaining – they are law breakers and you just want their votes, when they legally can vote.

Amazingoly on February 8, 2013 at 2:46 PM

They want their votes, legally or illegally. Don’t kid yourself.

Schadenfreude on February 8, 2013 at 2:48 PM

They’re not immigrants. They are law breakers, illegal aliens.

Legal immigrants are immigrants, fools.

Schadenfreude on February 8, 2013 at 2:04 PM

See this is why you aren’t allowed at the table with the adults to settle this issue.

They aren’t all lawbreakers and your insistence that they are simply reveals your intellectual dishonesty.

A five year old kid, brought here illegally by his parents – is NOT a lawbreaker. Neither is an older child. Their parents might be – but they aren’t.

And this is why your input will not be required or desired when the adults settle this issue.

HondaV65 on February 8, 2013 at 2:51 PM

Leave the “bugdeing” of rino lite Rubio to the American voter.

Budge him on over.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on February 8, 2013 at 2:52 PM

Filipinos are one of the hardest working and nicest people on the planet… I will be very happy if we have more “Legal immigrants” from the Philippines… Moreover many of them are highly educated but sadly they are stuck in the poverty of the Philippines…

mnjg on February 8, 2013 at 2:45 PM

That’s also true of many Mexicans.

HondaV65 on February 8, 2013 at 2:52 PM

mnjg on February 8, 2013 at 2:45 PM

Therefore all people who smile, often, s/b considered for immigration.

If being poor is a qualifier, open the borders already, with no restrictions. The entire world wants your taxes.

America deserve to go under. Stupidity kills her, from within and -out, Obama leading the effort…the Rs helping him all along.

Even commenters on HA, no not lester, the supposed thinking ones help along.

Schadenfreude on February 8, 2013 at 2:53 PM

Then they’d have to have two ballot systems…it all is a broken and crooked system, all of it.

Obama didn’t win, he cheated his way through it.

The US deserves her demise.

Schadenfreude on February 8, 2013 at 2:47 PM

This early voting crap is the ultimate way to voting fraud… In fact it is designed by the democrats to make voting fraud very easy… How do we know that the parasites who voted early did not vote again in person on elections day? Inner cities are 100% controlled by liberals with zero decency and zero care about the laws…

mnjg on February 8, 2013 at 2:54 PM

So, the little piggies sluping at the tax payer trough in Washinton D.C. are classed as adults now.

How forward looking.

Pigs do as pigs do is the better call.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on February 8, 2013 at 2:55 PM

HondaV65 on February 8, 2013 at 2:51 PM

Obama settled the “children” item.

I don’t ever care to be at any table you are at.

Schadenfreude on February 8, 2013 at 2:55 PM

Schadenfreude on February 8, 2013 at 2:53 PM

We had full unadulterated amnesty once before … and in ’94 the GOP retook both the House and the Senate. GW WON in 2001 and the GOP retained the House and Senate until 2006. Amnesty didn’t keep any of that from happening – so your predictions for apocolypse are simply tin foil my man.

Second … who cares if they DO vote Dimmocrit? Not like the GOP in it’s current state is going to get any votes from CONSERVATIVES – the GOP is dead on the vine with or without the illegals.

HondaV65 on February 8, 2013 at 2:56 PM

Anyone who voted for Obama would give me leprosy. Yack. Stay away, far away. May he destroy you and your families in full.

Schadenfreude on February 8, 2013 at 2:56 PM

The US deserves her demise.

Schadenfreude on February 8, 2013 at 2:47 PM

I do not agree at all… The US is the best nation ever in history of mankind and we shall overcome all the ills that are being brought upon us by the communists and their voters… In my opinion we had it worse in the 1930′s during the reign of FDR who by far is the worst President ever and the electorate back then voted for him 4 times and they would have voted for him more if he did not die in office… Yes the electorate back then was very misguided as well…

Let us not give up… Let us fight and win…

mnjg on February 8, 2013 at 2:56 PM

Well I guess you could call “head chopping” by Mexican Drug Cartel Zeta enforces “hard work”, but that might be a streach.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on February 8, 2013 at 2:57 PM

Filipinos are one of the hardest working and nicest people on the planet… I will be very happy if we have more “Legal immigrants” from the Philippines… Moreover many of them are highly educated but sadly they are stuck in the poverty of the Philippines…

mnjg on February 8, 2013 at 2:45 PM

The same can be said about Guatemalans, Mexicans, El Salvadorans, Dominicans, Haitians, Chinese, etc., etc., etc.

cam2 on February 8, 2013 at 2:57 PM

So, the little piggies sluping at the tax payer trough in Washinton D.C. are classed as adults now.

How forward looking.

Pigs do as pigs do is the better call.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on February 8, 2013 at 2:55 PM

Right – because ONLY government workers inside the beltway support a comprehensive solution to immigration.

Look at the polls bro – your side is woefully outnumbered.

By adults.

HondaV65 on February 8, 2013 at 2:58 PM

A five year old kid, brought here illegally by his parents – is NOT a lawbreaker. Neither is an older child. Their parents might be – but they aren’t.

HondaV65 on February 8, 2013 at 2:51 PM

Um…. Yes he is. Just because you indavertantly break the law doesn’t make you legal. The fact of the matter is that five-year-old has no legal status in this nation. He’s probably in school on faked documents just as his parents are working with fake documents. And again, the circumstances of his arrival are separate from the facts.

Happy Nomad on February 8, 2013 at 2:59 PM

Honda, I know all that and the land is done, no matter what. This will just speed it up as it depletes the state/fed. funds faster. See where there are the most on the dole…Cali, NY, IL, NM, NV and the likes.

Your fight with me is misplaced but I don’t care. You brung the One and he can speed up the destruction. I wish it on all of you, in full.

Schadenfreude on February 8, 2013 at 2:59 PM

Therefore all people who smile, often, s/b considered for immigration.

If being poor is a qualifier, open the borders already, with no restrictions. The entire world wants your taxes.

America deserve to go under. Stupidity kills her, from within and -out, Obama leading the effort…the Rs helping him all along.

Even commenters on HA, no not lester, the supposed thinking ones help along.

Schadenfreude on February 8, 2013 at 2:53 PM

Being poor is not qualification for immigration… Coming from a culture of hard work is certainly a main positive thing for an immigrant… Being educated and highly skilled is even better… As I told you in the previous post America does not deserve to go under… Not at all… not now not for ever…

The US is the best nation ever in history of mankind and we shall overcome all the ills that are being brought upon us by the communists and their voters… In my opinion we had it worse in the 1930′s during the reign of FDR who by far is the worst President ever and the electorate back then voted for him 4 times and they would have voted for him more if he did not die in office… Yes the electorate back then was very misguided as well…

Let us not give up… Let us fight and win…

mnjg on February 8, 2013 at 2:59 PM

Look at the polls bro – your side is woefully outnumbered.

By adults.

HondaV65 on February 8, 2013 at 2:58 PM

Who is your side if you said “your side”?

Schadenfreude on February 8, 2013 at 3:00 PM

Follow the rules or go to the back of the line, behind those already in line. Cutting in line is against the rules. I reckon most people can get on board with that.

Sometimes a simple, elegant approach is the best starting point.

Christien on February 8, 2013 at 3:02 PM

mnjg on February 8, 2013 at 2:59 PM

I ‘love’ pollyannaish people.

Schadenfreude on February 8, 2013 at 3:02 PM

. . . . . those who have violated our immigration laws must come forward and undergo a background check. If they have committed a serious crime, they will be deported. If they have not, they will have two choices. They can avail themselves of the current law which requires them to return to their native country, wait ten years and then apply for a green card. Or if they decide to remain in the United States, they will do so under the equivalent of a non-immigrant work permit by paying a substantial fine and back taxes. If they choose the non-immigrant work visa, they will not qualify for any federal benefits, including ObamaCare.

Senator Marco Rubio

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I suppose there’s a “down-side” to that last line, I’m not seeing.

Anyone else?

listens2glenn on February 8, 2013 at 3:03 PM

Asians left hellholes behind and voted for Obama…go figure…at the rate of 70%.

People from India are the most economically upward mobile, many take private flying lessons…yet their relatives die of leprosy in India (the UN denies it exists and thus don’t fund any care).

Yet, the US should take care of the world. Solve your own problems. India is the most populous democracy on Earth. Only very few pay taxes there…most all other are poor, not on any dole that is, just dirt poor.

See Mexico, for a rich, naturally gifted place…c/b a paradise on Earth…they don’t allow anyone to vote, no matter how long they’ve lived there. Take care of your own. Their rich live like kings.

Schadenfreude on February 8, 2013 at 3:07 PM

The polls said the same thing when Bush went after more wage slaves for his buddies.

Just because its the commie Democrats lusting for both wage slaves for their big banker buddies eatl and vote slaves does not make it a done deal.

Even if the crime is ok’d by the central committee of the ruling mafia family gofers the D’s and R’s does not make it ok.

Even if 70% of the voters are insane and on the dole or just greedy to does not make it moral, legal or a good thing.

Self destruction is never a good thing to watch.

Your smug ass looking down your nose at a person who knows a bit of the result of unlimited illegal immigration from South of the border prior and how that works, well just review the matter of the American Southwest from 1500 to 1860.

It is not a good thing now, was not a good thing then.

Will Americans put up a fight like the Apache did, only time will tell. You gave in easy. Others may not view freedom and liberty so lightley.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on February 8, 2013 at 3:07 PM

We used to refer to temporary workers from Mexico as ‘migrant workers’, doing the jobs Americans won’t. They’re still around, only they don’t work anymore….they migrate from one early voting state to another, making the votes Americans won’t.

Enter the age of the ‘migrant voter’.

BobMbx on February 8, 2013 at 3:12 PM

If they choose the non-immigrant work visa, they will not qualify for any federal benefits, including ObamaCare.

Senator Marco Rubio
.

I suppose there’s a “down-side” to that last line, I’m not seeing.

Anyone else?

listens2glenn on February 8, 2013 at 3:03 PM

Illegals won’t qualify for Obamacare. Illegals won’t be subject to the Obamacare tax for lack of insurance. Illegals won’t have to buy insurance if they don’t want to.

Kind of makes one want to be illegal, no?

weaselyone on February 8, 2013 at 3:14 PM

Schumer, Mendendez and Durbin…WTF? WTF? WTF? WTF? WTF?
The three stooges!

KOOLAID2 on February 8, 2013 at 3:14 PM

I ‘love’ pollyannaish people.

Schadenfreude on February 8, 2013 at 3:02 PM

I am an optimist because I am an American… If there is a nation in history that overcame all odds and won it is us, the United States of America… Take a look at the 1930′s, the one meal away from starvation that so many people were facing, the 30% unemployment, FDR socialist policies, FDR grabbing power that Obama would not dare dream about, and the electorate who elected FDR 4 times… Despite all the crap we are facing today it was nothing compared to the 1930′s…

Take a look at FDR bill of rights… Even Obama would not dare come even close to suggesting this crap… As I said before FDR is by far the worst socialist President ever… Not only that but the man wanted to be a dictator and he grabbed more power than any other President before or after him…

FDR bills of rights:

http://www.fdrheritage.org/bill_of_rights.htm

mnjg on February 8, 2013 at 3:16 PM

If they choose the non-immigrant work visa, they will not qualify for any federal benefits, including ObamaCare.

Senator Marco Rubio

I suppose there’s a “down-side” to that last line, I’m not seeing.

Anyone else?

listens2glenn on February 8, 2013 at 3:03 PM

“Federal benefits”. Medicaid is a state program, along with a laundry list of other subsidy programs.

Federal money is used, its just given as block grants to states.

And we’ve already lost the battle on qualifying for SSA benefits, simply because the tax is withheld from their checks, they earn the benefit.

So what sort of federal benefits denied would be on that list? Uh…Selective Service registration comes to mind.

BobMbx on February 8, 2013 at 3:17 PM

Asians left hellholes behind and voted for Obama…go figure…at the rate of 70%.

People from India are the most economically upward mobile, many take private flying lessons…yet their relatives die of leprosy in India (the UN denies it exists and thus don’t fund any care).

Yet, the US should take care of the world. Solve your own problems. India is the most populous democracy on Earth. Only very few pay taxes there…most all other are poor, not on any dole that is, just dirt poor.

See Mexico, for a rich, naturally gifted place…c/b a paradise on Earth…they don’t allow anyone to vote, no matter how long they’ve lived there. Take care of your own. Their rich live like kings.

Schadenfreude on February 8, 2013 at 3:07 PM

Your are absolutely right… The things is that those Asians would never want to be associated with blacks or other constituencies in the democrat party even though the democrat would never win a national elections without the black vote… One thing that will bring the demise of the “current” democrat party is that it is a coalition of people who do not want to live with each others…

mnjg on February 8, 2013 at 3:19 PM

mnjg on February 8, 2013 at 3:16 PM

I am just a realist.

Schadenfreude on February 8, 2013 at 3:23 PM

It will not work… The majority of illegal immigrants work for small businesses such as gas stations, small grocery/convenient stores, non chain restaurants, small cleaning businesses, small construction and landscaping businesses, small farm businesses, etc… and no one is going to go after the small businesses… It is just the reality of the world…

mnjg

I guess small businesses don’t bother paying their taxes then since no one is going to go after them.

Pffft. It absolutely will work. It already HAS worked in states that have tried it.

A five year old kid, brought here illegally by his parents – is NOT a lawbreaker. Neither is an older child. Their parents might be – but they aren’t.

HondaV65

He’s not a citizen either, nor is he entitled to legal status. If a 5 year old’s father robs a bank, we don’t let the 5 year old keep the money, and we don’t let the dad slide because sending him to prison would punish the child.

Who is your side if you said “your side”?

Schadenfreude

He voted for Obama. That’s all you need to know about whose side he is on.

xblade on February 8, 2013 at 3:23 PM

Is that 10 dog years?

SECURE.THE.BORDER.

Only when the most ardent secure border first critic is satisfied can we talk about any other steps.

We already have a path to citizenship. Some people CHOOSE to not follow it and expect preferential treatment for breaking the law.

VikingGoneWild on February 8, 2013 at 3:25 PM

xblade, good one, you’re shedding a ray of light into a thick tunnel.

Schadenfreude on February 8, 2013 at 3:25 PM

Dem senators: Legalized illegal immigrants will have to wait around 10 years to apply for a green card

Ten years to apply for a green card? lol. Remember the safeguards that were promised in 1986?

bw222 on February 8, 2013 at 3:25 PM

A five year old kid, brought here illegally by his parents – is NOT a lawbreaker. Neither is an older child. Their parents might be – but they aren’t.

HondaV65 on February 8, 2013 at 2:51 PM

Elian Gonzalez not available for comment.

weaselyone on February 8, 2013 at 3:27 PM

I am just a realist.

Schadenfreude on February 8, 2013 at 3:23 PM

Me too… Check the 1930′s America and FDR… It was much worse than now on every level… I am sure that you are versed in history and you know this… At one point we need to overcome our shock and desperation from losing the 2012 elections… It is time to fight back, starting from the grass roots level where every battle and war is won…

God bless America…

mnjg on February 8, 2013 at 3:29 PM

10 years my a$$. The ACLU will be on that like brown on rice.

MikeinPRCA on February 8, 2013 at 3:29 PM

So, years ago when I got a contract with a US company and got sponsored for an H1B1 visa I “almost” was denied because USCIS thought I had worked without authorization while I was a student. And all I had to do was break every immigration law, work without permission, and everything would be ok?

BTW- those illegals who choose to stay and “wait” for the GC and pay the fees and back taxes, how much do you think they’d actually pay of those? If 50% of our population has no tax liability and receives a check from the government, and those who are here illegally have done it because they had no means to come here legally, it sounds like they would fall in that lower 50% and actually be paid to get a green card. Friggin’ unbelievable.

At one point it was an aspiration to become a US citizen. More and more I question that aspiration.

ptcamn on February 8, 2013 at 3:30 PM

weaselyone on February 8, 2013 at 2:35 PM

Good points. Illegals typically don’t have proof of the exact time they broke the law by entering the U.S. illegally.

bw222 on February 8, 2013 at 3:30 PM

Good points. Illegals typically don’t have proof of the exact time they broke the law by entering the U.S. illegally.

bw222 on February 8, 2013 at 3:30 PM

They also don’t have proof of income or taxes paid…so having them pay “back taxes” is patently idiotic.

Are we supposed to take their word for how much they made while here illegally? It is also highly unlikely they would cop to breaking additional laws if they used fraudulent idenfitication while also illegally retaining employment.

There are far more laws broken than just crossing the border illegally…sometimes people forget to mention that.

If there ends up being a work requirement and payment of back taxes, illegals could be essentially forced to admit to at least 2 additional crimes in order to gain legal status. INSANITY.

weaselyone on February 8, 2013 at 3:38 PM

They’re trying to kill off oppostion to Amnesty with the “death by a thousand cuts” strategy. Enticing this or that part of the electorate with various proposals.

There is no need for us to compromise on this. We have suffiicient laws in place currently and there is no need for them to be “overhauled”. Just because Federal, State and local governments have chosen taken a two decade holiday on enforcing them doesn’t mean we have to change them.

Illegals currently have legal status in this country- they are in the United States illegally. They each have a country of origin of which they are legal citizens and they can go back there and live and thrive or whatever.

If they’ve been here for only one week or a year, no biggie- it was a nice long vacation. If they’ve been here a decade or longer, then they’ve had the benefit of enjoying life and the opportunity to amass wealth and knowledge and they can take their money and their memories to with them to savour till their old age in the country belong.

It’s not like we’re pushing them off the face of the earth or sending them to ovens- it’s just that it’s time to go home.

sartana on February 8, 2013 at 3:38 PM

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