Raul Labrador to Democrats: House GOP won’t vote for a path to citizenship for illegals

posted at 2:41 pm on February 7, 2013 by Allahpundit

Via TPM, has anyone notified “the Savior” about this yet? If not, can we make Labrador “the Savior” instead?

His plan differs from Rubio’s in one key respect. Rubio’s Senate proposal would give illegals the option of (A) returning home, waiting 10 years, and then applying for a green card or (B) staying here in America, obtaining a work visa, and then being forced to wait to apply for a green card until some hazy “substantial period of time” had elapsed. Labrador rejects option A but is harder to pin down on option B. At first, it sounds from the audio below like he’s categorically ruling out citizenship. Quote:

“The people that came here illegally knowingly — I don’t think they should have a path to citizenship. If you knowingly violated our law, you violated our sovereignty, I think we should normalize your status but we should not give you a pathway to citizenship.”

So far, so good. But when the interviewer presses him at the end, he seems to suggest that some illegals who work in qualifying jobs might be eligible for a green card later on. He’s clearly ruling out a special path to citizenship, i.e. a new mechanism created by Congress specifically for people who jumped the border, but as far as letting them stay here and go to the back of the line to try to apply for citizenship through normal procedural channels, he seems at least open to the possibility.

Which makes sense. One of Labrador’s partners in the bipartisan House group that’s working on an immigration bill is Luis Gutierrez, a guy who’s prone to saying things like “I have only one loyalty, and that’s to the immigrant community.” Is he willing to forfeit eventual citizenship for illegals in the name of securing some lesser status for people who are here? I’m thinking … no:

“I think it would be wrong for us to create a permanent underclass of people who live in this country who never can reach American citizenship,” said Rep. Luis Gutiérrez (D-IL). “I want them to have all the responsibilities and obligations that come along with American citizenship.”

“Not only is second-class status a bad policy option, it’s bad politics for the GOP,” said Frank Sharry, executive director of the pro-immigration America’s Voice. “It tells Latino, Asian, and immigrant voters that their loved ones are good enough to cook for us, clean for us, and take care of our children, but they can never become one of us.”

On NPR, Labrador called on Democrats to decide whether they wanted “a political victory or a policy victory.”

In fairness to Gutierrez, there’s at least one poll that suggests Americans are on his side. If we normalize illegals, then citizenship must follow — eventually:

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Labrador’s trying to back Democrats off from citizenship by accusing them of wanting a “political victory” instead of a “policy victory,” which could be achieved if they simply dropped the citizenship demand and partnered with Republicans on granting illegals work visas. But why can’t Democrats have both? If I were Gutierrez, I’d accept Labrador’s compromise and then immediately get to work demagoging the “permanent underclass” talking point in the excerpt above. Eventually, it’ll create enough pressure on the GOP that they’ll either cave in a few years and speed up the citizenship process for newly normalized illegals or Democrats will simply do it themselves once they’ve regained the House. All they need is a foot in the door of legalization; they can let courts and electoral demographics take care of the rest.

Exit question: Are we headed for a scenario where Rubio and House Republicans end up more or less campaigning publicly against each other on the citizenship point? Nothing bad could come from that, right?


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Si, se puede!

Schadenfreude on February 7, 2013 at 2:42 PM

Luis Gutierrez is a poison and poisoned pill.

Schadenfreude on February 7, 2013 at 2:43 PM

A “guest worker” option would be the worst possible solution of all. Just look at how it worked out for France.

SWLiP on February 7, 2013 at 2:45 PM

It’s all about LEGALIZATION not citizenship. The citizenship part is a shiny object strategy used to distract criticism. When they drop that but keep the legalization, they’ll say it’s a compromise, the dumber Republicans will go along, and we’ll all be screwed.

Nessuno on February 7, 2013 at 2:45 PM

Nothing bad could come from that, right?

None other than “Si, se puede…were it not for the mean Rs, who hate all foreigners and the poor and want to starve your children, when I don’t”.

“Michelle, I won, again” — BO

Schadenfreude on February 7, 2013 at 2:46 PM

Labrador = tiller, plowman, ploughman

Schadenfreude on February 7, 2013 at 2:47 PM

You find him here.

Schadenfreude on February 7, 2013 at 2:49 PM

There is going to be enough members of the House GOP for it to pass with some sort of pathway to citizenship. Both Cantor and Boehner have softened their views about this, and Ryan has endorsed Rubio’s plan in full and could probably bring a good portion of the GOP with him. It’s too much in the interest of the “Savior” for GOP leaders to let this fail.

Illinidiva on February 7, 2013 at 2:52 PM

I’d be in favor of a path to the border.

cajunpatriot on February 7, 2013 at 2:55 PM

Exit question: Are we headed for a scenario where Rubio and House Republicans end up more or less campaigning publicly against each other on the citizenship point? Nothing bad could come from that, right?

Nothing bad could come from giving illegals citizenship either…

ninjapirate on February 7, 2013 at 2:56 PM

Paul Labador,

“That is a fact Jack” and stick to it if you want your job.”

We the People are in the deal now and there will be some responsibility out of the U.S. House, Senate and Pres. .

We are the ones who get our ID’s hacked, our SS money wasted, we are left standing on the freeway by our wrecked car looking at the one some one ran from, we are the older people who have to sell the home we wanted to live in to our end but the Mexican Drug Cartel Zetas came to the door and told us to sell and get out or die, we are the ones who are American welders who have to make a living in the real U.S. ecomony yet have to deal with employers who will hire welders for $2.77 per hour and pay the Mexican Wage Slaves in pesos wired to banks in Mexico, we are the ones with our emergancy hospitals over run by uninsured illegals and we pay for it in our property taxes, we are the ones who have to listen to liars in Washington D.C. tell U.S. the border is “to hard” to secure.

Enough already.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on February 7, 2013 at 2:57 PM

“The people that came here illegally knowingly — I don’t think they should have a path to citizenship. If you knowingly violated our law, you violated our sovereignty, I think we should normalize your status but we should not give you a pathway to citizenship.”

…how about all you wimps stick with ^ ^ ^ this!
…why should the rest of us obey any laws?

KOOLAID2 on February 7, 2013 at 2:58 PM

BTW, I hope the GOPers clamering for Amnesty understand that amnesty = latino baby boom, latino chain migration, and will just encourage more people to immigrate knowing there will be an amnesty for them too…

Immediate amnesty means immediate irrelevancy of the GOP. If we don’t give into amnesty know then people will have time to move their assets into swiss bank accounts.

ninjapirate on February 7, 2013 at 2:59 PM

Are we headed for a scenario where Rubio and House Republicans end up more or less campaigning publicly against each other on the citizenship point? Nothing bad could come from that, right?

I think they could/should deliberately campaign publicly together. Acknowledge that they may not be in complete agreement on all the fine points at this time but then affirm what they agree on and the over-arching principles they hope to achieve by immigration reform. And no, going out as McCain did and say it is just for the votes is not the right approach. But going out and talking about the changing face of America and what the GOP has to offer Hispanics is far better than letting the enemy paint you as a bunch of while male xenophobes.

Happy Nomad on February 7, 2013 at 2:59 PM

amnesty know

now

ninjapirate on February 7, 2013 at 2:59 PM

Enough already.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on February 7, 2013 at 2:57 PM

Well done. Your ‘leaders’ hate you and don’t represent you at all.

Schadenfreude on February 7, 2013 at 3:00 PM

I think we should normalize your status but we should not give you a pathway to citizenship.”
Raul Labrador

AP, you should correct your headline. Labrador is also pro-amnesty. Normalization = Pathway to citizenship = Amnesty. The distinctions are too minor to be meaningful. You say so yourself…

If we normalize illegals, then citizenship must follow — eventually

sauldalinsky on February 7, 2013 at 3:01 PM

If we don’t give into amnesty know then people will have time to move their assets into swiss bank accounts.

ninjapirate on February 7, 2013 at 2:59 PM

That w/b idiotic as the stupid Swiss gave up their secret banking system and signed a deal with Obama to turn you in.

Soon even the once great Caymans will give up their secret system. The escapte places are few now. Obama is buying them all up.

Schadenfreude on February 7, 2013 at 3:02 PM

Dear Dumb Republicans in the House:

Get off your ass, call some of the South Viet Army guys who fled in boats after Kerry etal left them behind in the killing zone.

Get them to tell how they waited in camps in Southeast Asia for yers and years “IN THE WAITING LINE FOR PROCESSING TO BECOME LEGAL”.
They can tell of learning English, tell of being taught about the U.S. Constitution.
They can tell about passing the test, getting citizenship the legal way.

Use facts you dam fools.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on February 7, 2013 at 3:02 PM

Did y’all know a permanent residency status to be allowed to migrate to Mexico never includes the right to vote in their elections? I’m always fascinated to learn about Mexico’s immigration policies and border control laws.

DanMan on February 7, 2013 at 3:02 PM

Did y’all know a permanent residency status to be allowed to migrate to Mexico never includes the right to vote in their elections? I’m always fascinated to learn about Mexico’s immigration policies and border control laws.

DanMan on February 7, 2013 at 3:02 PM

Yes…they are special, rube

Schadenfreude on February 7, 2013 at 3:03 PM

Those damn fools in Washington all presuppose that all high school graduates go to college and then get white collar jobs. The fact is that many of our citizens don’t go to college and end up competing for jobs that the illegals are taking. Construction trades, drivers, forklift operators, assembly line jobs are being filled by lower wage illegals.

What makes this situation thoroughly illogical is that our working class whites and minorities don’t see what the Democrats are doing to them.

This whole illegal immigration problem can be solved by enforcing existing laws, and punishing employers who hire illegals.

Special Forces Grunt on February 7, 2013 at 3:04 PM

But going out and talking about the changing face of America and what the GOP has to offer Hispanics is far better than letting the enemy paint you as a bunch of while male xenophobes.

Someone like Reagan couldn’t get elected in California today because he wasn’t xenophobic enough.

If Arnold was a little more xenophobic then he wouldn’t have had an ugly child with his ugly mexican maid.

ninjapirate on February 7, 2013 at 3:06 PM

Marco is getting pushback …..even from other Republicans .
This is good news indeed .

Lucano on February 7, 2013 at 3:07 PM

That w/b idiotic as the stupid Swiss gave up their secret banking system and signed a deal with Obama to turn you in.

I realize that, but it was kind of a metaphor.

ninjapirate on February 7, 2013 at 3:08 PM

What’s to stop illegals-sorry, the undocumented-from applying for citizenship now, and taking the steps to normalize their status? Honest question, as I don’t know what is standing in their way to just DO what this legislation wants them to.

changer1701 on February 7, 2013 at 3:10 PM

It’s all about LEGALIZATION not citizenship. The citizenship part is a shiny object strategy used to distract criticism. When they drop that but keep the legalization, they’ll say it’s a compromise, the dumber Republicans will go along, and we’ll all be screwed.

Nessuno on February 7, 2013 at 2:45 PM

Exactly, the legalization is 95% of the amnesty. The ability to live and work here legally is what they want so they can get the trillions of dollars in free stuff that the taxpayer will have to absorb. And at some point, the Ds will say they’re second class citizens, yadda yadda yadda. We’ve seen it before. No legalization, no path.

TxAnn56 on February 7, 2013 at 3:10 PM

One more time:

I-Corps, DMZ area, Laos border area.

1966 to 1971/72.

Operation “IglooWhite”.

Operational electronic fence to find and locate North Viet Army units on the trails. Use of then tech, converted sub locating tech to “listen for trucks ect” on the trails, oil field tech to “hear foot steps in the woods”, magomonters to “see” metal crossing river corssings etal, all of it to old now but new then 360 IMB computers via beam up from the jungle to air assets around the clock and then Navy bombs, Air Force bombs to include huge runs by B-52′s.

All of this in a war zone, in monsons, in a triple canopy jungle with only the tech of the time.

Now consider what the guys are using in Iraq etal, the stuff the Seal Teams have, the stuff Sandia Lab can or has developed.

NOW DOES ANY ONE BELIVE THAT WE CAN NOT SECURE OUR OWN DAM BORDERS CURRENT?

APACHEWHOKNOWS on February 7, 2013 at 3:14 PM

People from poorer and much more distant countries somehow manage to follow the rules and come here legally. Sucking up to illegals for votes by helping them cut in line is a HUGE FU to the American people and legal immigrants and visitors.

Christien on February 7, 2013 at 3:16 PM

changer1701

They do not want to or need to.

As of now they have the advantage over U.S. citizens they get cash and have no IRS to deal with. They get healt care free at the emergancy room.

It is due to greed for wage slaves and for vote slaves.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on February 7, 2013 at 3:16 PM

OT: SoCal is nuts. Ex LAPD officer on rampage, 3 shooting incidents, targeting cops and their family, cops on high alert, now cops shot 2 ladies in a truck that resembled the shooters.

El_Terrible on February 7, 2013 at 3:18 PM

Also:

There is no way to make it add up, the Mexican Goverment has failed and is failing their citizens, the U.S. Goverment has faild and is failing U.S..

These two evil wrongs can not be made right by the “con”, the lies both of them are runing on their peoples.

It is not, NOT, American citizens responsibility that the Mexican Goverment and the elite leaders of Mexico are corupt and inept.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on February 7, 2013 at 3:21 PM

Marco is getting pushback …..even from other Republicans .
This is good news indeed .

Lucano on February 7, 2013 at 3:07 PM

Indeed it is. Marco ego needs to be knocked down a few notches.

Mr. Arrogant on February 7, 2013 at 3:22 PM

Marco=Marco’s

Mr. Arrogant on February 7, 2013 at 3:23 PM

OT: SoCal is nuts. Ex LAPD officer on rampage, 3 shooting incidents, targeting cops and their family, cops on high alert, now cops shot 2 ladies in a truck that resembled the shooters.

El_Terrible on February 7, 2013 at 3:18 PM

Most city cops are worthless meat bags.

Mr. Arrogant on February 7, 2013 at 3:24 PM

What would happen if the House republicans say the illegals can stay, but they can never vote?

birdwatcher on February 7, 2013 at 3:25 PM

What would happen if the House republicans say the illegals can stay, but they can never vote?

birdwatcher on February 7, 2013 at 3:25 PM

That’s Limbaugh’s proposal. I like it.

Mr. Arrogant on February 7, 2013 at 3:27 PM

What would happen if the House republicans say the illegals can stay, but they can never vote?

birdwatcher on February 7, 2013 at 3:25 PM

The ACLU or a liberal judge would step in and that would be that. The Democrats aren’t pushing this for nothing. They want one party rule and they know hispanics will vote for them. If the Ds really thought that hispanics would become a huge Republican voting block, do you really think they’d be pushing this? Everyone can see that except Marco and his hispandering ilk. But then again, they’re in the pockets of the Chamber of Commerce cheap labor lobby.

TxAnn56 on February 7, 2013 at 3:29 PM

He doesn’t even look like a Labrador.

The Rogue Tomato on February 7, 2013 at 3:37 PM

Rubio’s Senate proposal would give illegals the option of (A) returning home, waiting 10 years, and then applying for a green card or (B) staying here in America, obtaining a work visa, and then being forced to wait to apply for a green card until some hazy “substantial period of time” had elapsed.

In other words, you can leave and wait 10 years for a green card, or you can stay here legally, work if you can find a job, and enjoy the benefits of being here legally while waiting 10 years(or less) to apply for a green card. What a dilemma, lol.

xblade on February 7, 2013 at 3:40 PM

Any special consideration for illegal aliens (ANY consideration) other than following existing laws is a form of amnesty, reward, benefit, and/or accommodation for illegal behavior.

As such, it will be a giant magnet for more illegal behavior.

This is simple human nature.

I resent all these GOP mouthpieces ASSUMING that we have to accept these 12 to 20 million illegals staying here — why not try enforcing the damn laws and getting them to go home??? As Georgia did (and see how it works here.)

The 1996 federal law against sanctuary cities is unenforced. LA’s Special Order 40 is a travesty. In-state tuition for illegal aliens mocks federal law.

Our federal government, both donkeys and elephants, is a joke, enforcement-wise.

Heath Shuler’s SAVE Act died in the House twice. Lamar Smith’s HR 2885 mandatory E-Verify died in Dave Camp’s Ways and Means, with Boehner’s consent. The GOP establishment is PART OF THE PROBLEM.

All the while, attrition through enforcement is the most economical, just, humane, fair, and POPULAR policy.

fred5678 on February 7, 2013 at 3:43 PM

Everyone can see that except Marco and his hispandering ilk.

TxAnn56

On the contrary, I have no doubt whatsoever that they know absolutely 100% that granting amnesty will not only not gain them votes, but it will also cost them votes. That being the case, the question to ask is what is the real reason? I suspect the answer isn’t one that’s good for America.

xblade on February 7, 2013 at 3:48 PM

Sure, but any chance Labrador will require the amnesty applicants to disclose the SSN they used for work and inform the victim (many of whom are children)?

Or is that another thing that should be swept under the rug?

Really, no illegal immigrants who’ve committed ID theft (about 75% per Social Security Admin) should qualify anyway.

batter on February 7, 2013 at 3:50 PM

It’s all about LEGALIZATION not citizenship. The citizenship part is a shiny object strategy used to distract criticism. When they drop that but keep the legalization, they’ll say it’s a compromise, the dumber Republicans will go along, and we’ll all be screwed.

Nessuno on February 7, 2013 at 2:45 PM

^^This. If they’re here legally then they qualify for ObamaCare, which is not based on citizenship but on being here legally.

Fenris on February 7, 2013 at 4:04 PM

It’s all about LEGALIZATION not citizenship. The citizenship part is a shiny object strategy used to distract criticism. When they drop that but keep the legalization, they’ll say it’s a compromise, the dumber Republicans will go along, and we’ll all be screwed.

Nessuno on February 7, 2013 at 2:45 PM

^^This. If they’re here legally then they qualify for ObamaCare, which is not based on citizenship but on being here legally.

Fenris on February 7, 2013 at 4:04 PM

Make them pay a large fee for legal status. Make it yearly if you want. And, make it in an amount sufficient to cover their Obamacare coverage and other “free” services. Then, make illegal immigration laws very tough. E.g., a felony for hiring illegals (i.e., those who haven’t paid the legalization fees) – and strictly enforce it. And make deportation of any illegal mandatory (and/or massive fee/prison time). As for path to citizenship: they can use the paths currently available to them (maybe require employer sponsorship).

besser tot als rot on February 7, 2013 at 4:20 PM

besser tot als rot on February 7, 2013 at 4:20 PM

Sounds good to me. And while you’re at it, cut federal spending by $3+ trillion per year.

Honestly, I wouldn’t have a problem with most of what the lefties want to do in their private lives if government wasn’t regulating and mandating it for everybody else. No welfare state and no job means no incentive to immigrate.

Fenris on February 7, 2013 at 4:29 PM

El_Terrible, re your 3:18 pm post about the LA cop on the rampage: His sympathies lie with the gun grabbers and his political positions are far, far Left. His Facebook postings have been ignored by the MSM and/or scrubbed.

http://www.soopermexican.com/2013/02/07/news-media-scrub-cop-murderers-manifesto-of-pro-obama-pro-hillary-loved-msnbc-pro-gay-and-anti-gun-comments/

The guy is off his rocker.

onlineanalyst on February 7, 2013 at 5:06 PM

How about we enforce our existing immigration laws, institute E-verify without exception, and deport any illegal alien using false identity, stolen SS numbers, and driving without a valid license and car insurance. Guest workers should have valid ID and be subject to taxes or fees that reimburse the social services that they bleed from our country.

onlineanalyst on February 7, 2013 at 5:12 PM

NOW DOES ANY ONE BELIVE THAT WE CAN NOT SECURE OUR OWN DAM BORDERS CURRENT?

APACHEWHOKNOWS on February 7, 2013 at 3:14 PM

No President ever had a better opportunity to seal the border than Bush43 after 9-11. But Gringo Jorge didn’t want to secure the border any more than Barack Obama does.

bw222 on February 7, 2013 at 7:17 PM

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