Quotes of the day

posted at 10:31 pm on February 7, 2013 by Allahpundit

White House Press Secretary Jay Carney told reporters Thursday that the Obama administration will not be releasing any more information about the controversial use of drones to kill American citizens.

Carney’s remarks, via the White House’s transcript of the off-camera press gaggle:

“This is not an open-ended process. This is a specific and unique accommodation in this circumstance. The fact is, when it comes to public disclosure, we have been — not with the kind of attention that’s been given it this week — but we have been publicly discussing these matters at the highest levels of government for the very reason that I’ve given, which is the President understands that these are core issues about how we conduct ourselves in war, how the President of the United States — any President — balances his constitutional obligation to protect America and American citizens, and his obligation to do so in a manner that is lawful under the Constitution and reflects our values.”

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President Obama’s white paper justification for carrying out drone strikes against U.S. citizens suspected of terrorism could “swallow the rule” guaranteeing the due process rights of Americans, Sen. Mike Lee, R-Utah, suggested today…

“You would think that consistent with the principles of due process, the government shouldn’t be able to kill one of its own citizens without some kind of showing that they present an imminent threat,” he continued. “But when you dig a little bit deeper into this white paper . . . they have sort of a loose [definition] of ‘imminent’.”…

The former appellate lawyer also criticized the White House for failing to identify a constitutional principle that would prevent the U.S. military from carrying out a drone strike on a suspected American terrorist in the United States.

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It may be true that, even when it comes to the first two conditions, the “informed, high-level officials” in the Obama administration—including Brennan, who has been deeply involved in these decisions—have exercised good judgment. But we don’t know this; we have no way of knowing this. And by “we,” I mean not just those of who of us who don’t have the proper security clearances, but also those who do (outside, of course, the very small group that makes the decisions of life or death).

And that’s the point. The white paper acknowledges that there is no entity—in the executive, legislative, or judicial branch—that has the authority to oversee these sorts of decisions. But maybe there should be. Sen. Dianne Feinstein, the California Democrat who co-chairs the Intelligence Committee, suggested at Thursday’s hearing that an analog to the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court might be created to sign off on these orders, especially if American citizens are the targets. Not a bad idea.

But the logic of the three conditions—or at least the two conditions that aren’t at all restrictive—raises questions not just of legality but of policy. Gen. David Petraeus once said of the Iraq war, “Tell me how this ends.” The same question can be asked of this war. Are there no limits to targeted assassination? Are we going to be doing this as long as terrorist organizations exist? What is the effect? Does it really reduce terrorism and pummel the organization—or are the killed leaders simply replaced by underlings waiting in the wings?

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Further, in addition to checks and balances, there has to be more transparency. The notion that the government can compile a list of citizens for killing, not tell anyone who’s on it or how they got there, is simply un–American. Surely, a modern version of a WANTED: DEAD OR ALIVE notice could be publicly circulated, with a listing of the particulars. Maybe the named individual would turn himself in rather than wait for the drones to find him. Or maybe he’d hire an attorney to present evidence he’s not actually an imminent threat to American citizens.

For centuries, civilized societies have understood that even wars must be fought according to rules, which have developed over time in response to changing realities. Rules are even more important in endless, murky wars such as the fight against Islamist terror groups. Currently, we’re letting whomever is in the Oval Office pick and choose from among the existing rules, applying and redefining them based on his own judgment and that of his advisors. We can do better.

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During the hearing, Feinstein forcefully insisted that the CIA’s drone strikes kill only “single digits” of civilians annually, and even ran through a list of accusations against Anwar al-Awlaki, the U.S. citizen and al-Qaida propagandist the U.S. killed in Yemen in 2011, to underscore her belief in the legitimacy of the killing. She suggested that media reports and nongovernmental organization studies claiming larger percentages of civilian deaths from the highly classified program are ignorant. Feinstein emphasized that the CIA has hosted committee staff over 30 times to conduct oversight over the drone program…

Yet Feinstein and several other senators during the hearing said the CIA materially misrepresented to Congress key facts about the quality of information it received from its post-9/11 torture and detentions program. That revelation came from the committee’s recently completed 6,000-page report into those programs. But since the report is still classified, senators couldn’t say outright that the CIA lied to them. Brennan said that the misstatements made by CIA about torture called into question the basis for his public statements years ago that torture extracted valuable information for counterterrorist operations. “I have to determine what the truth is,” Brennan said.

But if the CIA misled Congress about torture, how can the committee be confident it’s not misleading Congress about civilian deaths from drones?

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Can we learn at least a little from the past? And not the distant past, either. Enough of the detainees at Gitmo were wrongly held so that you’d figure Obama (didn’t he pledge to shut that prison down?) would want to make double-plus sure that he’s targeting the right bastards?…

By making clear that as a journalist he tries to see things first and foremost from the perspective of the powerful, Michael Tomasky helps to clarify why so many in the media are rushing to the president’s defense. They are entranced with power and the view from the top. “Presidents live with that responsibility [of protecting American lives] every day,” he writes. “If that responsibility were mine, I can’t honestly say what I’d do, and I don’t think anyone can.” Not all journalists are awed by power, of course, even on the right (National Review’s Jim Geraghty, for instance, asserts that this sort of thing of extra-judicial killing policy wouldn’t be cricket even under a GOP president).

This isn’t ultimately about ideological hypocrisy – of liberals changing their tune once their guy is in office – but something much more basic and much more disturbing. It reveals that for all their crowing about being watchdogs of all that is good and decent in society, when push comes to shove, too many journalists are ready and willing handmaidens to power – including the power to kill.

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The white paper has ignited not quite a firestorm (again, this isn’t the Bush administration), but at least a smoldering ember of brow-furrowed consternation among the president’s supporters and journalistic sympathizers who find the document “chilling.”

They rarely say what their alternative would be. Does a U.S. citizen get an exemption from targeting if he joins Al Qaeda at a high level? Should his status be litigated before he can be targeted, and if so, by whom and for how long and on the basis of what evidence? Can he show up in the court room to confront his accusers, a basic element of the Anglo-American system? Should al-Awlaki have gotten a court-appointed lawyer (assuming Gloria Allred wasn’t available) and access to all the intelligence about him so he could properly contest it? Maybe over Skype from somewhere in the badlands of Yemen?…

It’s not for nothing that the author of the white paper sounds like he could have worked for Dick Cheney. The Obama administration’s approach reflects the logic of the laws of war, the structure of American government and the exigencies of the fight against Al Qaeda.

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By including terrorists among those afforded constitutional protections, the president’s policy risks stretching those protections a mile wide and an inch deep—weakening them for all Americans.

Then there’s the question of whether Mr. Obama’s approach really uses “our values as a compass.” After he took office, the president made a great show of ending enhanced interrogation, which CIA directors say produced much of the intelligence used to locate al Qaeda leaders including Osama bin Laden. The Bush administration had subjected about 100 al Qaeda detainees to some tough methods, including three to waterboarding.

Rather than capture terrorists—which produces the most valuable intelligence on al Qaeda—Mr. Obama has relied almost exclusively on drone attacks, and he has thereby been able to dodge difficult questions over detention. But those deaths from the sky violate personal liberty far more than the waterboarding of three al Qaeda leaders ever did.

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Our president has the authority to quell insurrections by force. American-born terrorists engage in insurrection. Case closed.

Consider the late Anwar al-Awlaki. Lefties argue he didn’t pose a sufficient threat to merit killing. Really? Here’s a traitor who joined our most virulent enemies and used his knowledge of our country to encourage, plan and facilitate attacks. His guilt was greater than that of some poor sap who strapped on a suicide bomb — just as crime bosses bear a heavier guilt than their trigger-men.

And if a foreign power can’t or won’t control its own territory, we have a legal right to intervene under the accepted conventions of warfare…

This is not a difficult issue: When Americans turn violently against the United States, they lose the benefits of citizenship

[T]he drone program’s the only Obama-era policy that works.

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“I want everybody that said what they said about George W. Bush…I want those people to apologize to George W. Bush.”

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Hmmm… FBI, DOJ, and OFA snooping into living rooms and bedrooms… I think that story might have legs.

El_Terrible on May 24, 2013 at 2:29 PM

Who knows. It’s certainly the means being offered for the moron masses to buy. Fortunately we’re not so stupid yet that gamers don’t hate all of this and the unveiling was a major flop. Unfortunately, they’re mostly bothered about how Kinect is pointless, and it’s easier to navigate menus and such with a controller anyway.

I only know I won’t be getting one. Always-online or once-a-day-online DRM is a deal breaker for me anyway. PS4 only mildly less horrid. I may get a WiiU, but in general the outlook for this generation is not so good.

Gingotts on May 24, 2013 at 2:43 PM

The Tea Parties were proven right on the harrassment, and they will be proven even MORE right about Obamacare over the next few months. Maybe the Tea Parties actually have a CLUE on how things work?

michaelo on May 24, 2013 at 2:45 PM

Hillary is lezbeeaan
and she wants to marry Mooch !!

burrata on May 24, 2013 at 2:43 PM

Any chance they elope to foreign lands?? :)…do us all a favor :)…

jimver on May 24, 2013 at 2:45 PM

Obama’s been quartering troops in private houses. Not for any particular reason, just because he wanted to “Go 10 for 10.”

29Victor on May 24, 2013 at 2:16 PM

Thread winner!

GWB on May 24, 2013 at 2:46 PM

(A man can dream, can’t he?)

Bitter Clinger on May 24, 2013 at 2:11 PM

I’ll join BC in dreaming and say both Obama and Biden were only nightmares and we all woke up and President Cruz was announcing the fifth new refinery going on line and the price of fuel was dropping to 75 cents a gallon. Oh, and the last 50 feet of the southern border was done.

Rovin on May 24, 2013 at 2:47 PM

Meanwhile, the deficit continues to fall at an unprecedented rate in the wake of a massive financial crisis, and now is anticipated to fall below $650 billion in 2013. Most of the new revenue is attributed to Obama’s tax increases on the wealthy, and if not for Tea Party obstructionism, additional tax revenue would have lowered the deficit to around $500 million in this year.

Yeah! Let’s screw the economy even more! Drag that last dollar out of people’s pockets. The government will see that it’s spent wisely. Just like all that Stimulus Money was spent wisely. We just need to rape people a little bit more. And continue to spend money we don’t have.

FOOL!

GarandFan on May 24, 2013 at 2:48 PM

These scandals are the best possible scenario for the Tea Party, which really doesn’t want to be held accountable for its dimwitted economic policies which have only held back the President’s efforts to revive economic growth and grow middle class incomes.

Um… the sequester was Obama’s idea for reviving economic growth and grow middle class incomes. How many more times is this lie to be repeated, that Obama wasn’t responsible for this?

Even the White House has had to admit (for the third time) that Obama’s been lying about the sequester.

1. Feb 13. Jack Lew, confirmation hearings.

2. Feb 19. Jay Carney, WH press briefing.

3. Mar 03. Gene Sperling, Obama’s chief economic advisor.

Asked by David Gregory whether his boss told the truth in the third presidential debate that “the sequester is not something that I’ve proposed. It is something that Congress has proposed,” Sperling finally had to admit that “yes, in fact, the sequestration was President Obama’s plan.” Watch him wilt.

de rigueur on May 24, 2013 at 2:48 PM

Jim Carey to play Eric Holder in the sequel to Liar Liar.

IndieDogg on May 24, 2013 at 2:48 PM

Meanwhile, the deficit continues to fall at an unprecedented rate in the wake of a massive financial crisis, and now is anticipated to fall below $650 billion in 2013.

bayam on May 24, 2013 at 2:31 PM

Hate to break it to you, but the deficit continues to grow. We still spend more than we take in.

Bitter Clinger on May 24, 2013 at 2:42 PM

No, that’s a Tea Party myth. The deficit, relative to GDP, has fallen at a historic rate under Obama. In absolute terms, the deficit is anticipated to fall to around $650 bil in 2013. It would fall even lower had House allowed Obama to end more upper class tax loopholes and restore the capital gains tax to Clinton era levels.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-05-14/u-s-deficit-to-fall-to-642-billion-says-budget-agency.html

bayam on May 24, 2013 at 2:49 PM

Saw this teased earlier this week on a site that seemed less than reliable, but it claimed that unnamed insiders were whispering that Obama was “incapacitated” during the hours no one saw him or talked to him. The implication was that he was drinking or even drunk.

Seems unlikely to me. Not that he may have gone upstairs and gotten sloshed, but that anybody around him would talk about it – unless it was a pissed off SS agent. They aren’t happy about getting thrown under the bus on the prostitution thing.

Curmudgeon on May 24, 2013 at 2:53 PM

Fraud of HA in action – see bayam.

Schadenfreude on May 24, 2013 at 2:54 PM

Possible dumps:

1) the missing 2 days of emails for Benghazi.
2) some other damning documents for IRS investigation
3) resignations or firings for any of the 3 scandals
4) Mooch files for divorce after catching Jugears and Valerie Jarrett doing the nasty.

BacaDog on May 24, 2013 at 2:55 PM

4) Mooch files for divorce after catching Jugears and Valerie Jarrett doing the nasty.

BacaDog on May 24, 2013 at 2:55 PM

VJ does Mooch. You can forget this one.

Schadenfreude on May 24, 2013 at 2:56 PM

bayam, ? for you, what is the current Federal Debt?

D-fusit on May 24, 2013 at 2:57 PM

bayam on May 24, 2013 at 2:31 PM

.
Internal IRS memos documenting an additional harassment effort by government employees being paid to troll conservative websites and blogs with daily SCOAMF Administration talking points will be released today at 5:00 PM.

Nanacy Pelosi will comment over the weekend, “This was a program to hire the mentally handicapped and give them a sense of accomplishment. I think they provided an invaluable service to the country!”

;->

PolAgnostic on May 24, 2013 at 2:58 PM

Assistant office manager at IRS Cincinnati office put on paid leave for one week.

forest on May 24, 2013 at 2:58 PM

Any chance they elope to foreign lands?? :)…do us all a favor :)…

jimver on May 24, 2013 at 2:45 PM

Killery will move into the White House with Mooch.
And then Hussein, Reggie, Valerie, Mooch and Hillary ,Mooch’s mom and Mooch’s kids will happily for ever on taxpayer’s dime , in that big palace……and Blinton will move in too , so that there is a POTUS in place when Hussein is getting serviced !!

burrata on May 24, 2013 at 2:59 PM

I’ll join BC in dreaming and say both Obama and Biden were only nightmares and we all woke up and President Cruz was announcing the fifth new refinery going on line and the price of fuel was dropping to 75 cents a gallon. Oh, and the last 50 feet of the southern border was done.

Rovin on May 24, 2013 at 2:47 PM

Now that’s a dream!!!!!

Bitter Clinger on May 24, 2013 at 2:59 PM

Meanwhile, the deficit continues to fall at an unprecedented rate in the wake of a massive financial crisis, and now is anticipated to fall below $650 billion in 2013. Most of the new revenue is attributed to Obama’s tax increases on the wealthy, and if not for Tea Party obstructionism, additional tax revenue would have lowered the deficit to around $500 million in this year.

Yeah! Let’s screw the economy even more! Drag that last dollar out of people’s pockets. The government will see that it’s spent wisely. Just like all that Stimulus Money was spent wisely. We just need to rape people a little bit more. And continue to spend money we don’t have.

FOOL!

GarandFan on May 24, 2013 at 2:48 PM

Your grasp of economic policy is quite limited when you suggest that slightly higher taxes on the upper class reduce economic growth, given the 20% increase in wealth experienced by the upper class over the past 5 years, a time when middle class income has stagnated or fallen.

As for your claim that new will tax revenue will be ‘spent’ by the government, deficit reduction via higher taxes on the wealthy is a very effective strategy that Bill Clinton also employed with successful outcomes. Regardless of your uneducated assumption that raising taxes results in more wasteful gov spending, every objective study has reached the opposite conclusion. It’s another mantra of the Tea Party that’s completely delusional:

And then Niskanen, looking over 25 years of budget data, noticed something about ["starve the beast"]: It didn’t work. In fact, attempts to starve the beast by tax cuts seemed to lead to increased federal spending.

Niskanen looked at both spending and taxes as a percentage of GDP. On average, he found, if federal revenues declined by 1 percent, federal spend- ing increased by 0.15 percent. When revenues rose, on the other hand, relative spending decreased. A fur- ther study in 2009 by another Cato economist, Michael New, came to the same conclusion after the gluttonous administration of George W. Bush. Under Bush and his mostly Republican Congress, new benefits like subsidized Medicare drugs and increased federal education spending followed on the heels of large tax cut

http://hotair.com/archives/2012/11/19/quotes-of-the-day-1204/

You know, you could actually express some appreciation that the deficit has fallen this far, this fast.

bayam on May 24, 2013 at 3:00 PM

China has hired Lizard Lick Towing to repo the United States for it’s debt. Obama will read about it in the newspaper afterwards.

faraway on May 24, 2013 at 3:00 PM

5) Jugears resigns to be a contestant on the Golf channel’s Big Break Mexico.

BacaDog on May 24, 2013 at 3:01 PM

Possible dumps:

1) the missing 2 days of emails for Benghazi.
BacaDog on May 24, 2013 at 2:55 PM

They are all gone , Sandy Burgler made sure of that !!

burrata on May 24, 2013 at 3:02 PM

Joan Walsh will call Ted Cruz a “Skeezy Huckster”?

No wait, that already happened:

http://twitchy.com/2013/05/24/some-of-her-best-friends-are-hispanics-joan-walsh-calls-ted-cruz-a-skeezy-huckster/

can_con on May 24, 2013 at 3:02 PM

No, that’s a Tea Party myth. The deficit, relative to GDP, has fallen at a historic rate under Obama. In absolute terms, the deficit is anticipated to fall to around $650 bil in 2013. It would fall even lower had House allowed Obama to end more upper class tax loopholes and restore the capital gains tax to Clinton era levels.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-05-14/u-s-deficit-to-fall-to-642-billion-says-budget-agency.html

bayam on May 24, 2013 at 2:49 PM

A. I’m talking about the overall deficit (or “debt” if you prefer). We still spend more than we bring in.
B. Restoring the capital gains tax is a sure way to choke off investment and stagnate what wimpy a recovery we already have going.

But hey, you’re a real genius.
//

Bitter Clinger on May 24, 2013 at 3:03 PM

You know, you could actually express some appreciation that the deficit has fallen this far, this fast.

bayam on May 24, 2013 at 3:00 PM

And, of course, sequestration had nothing to do with it, right?

Bitter Clinger on May 24, 2013 at 3:05 PM

4) Mooch files for divorce after catching Jugears and Valerie Jarrett doing the nasty.

BacaDog on May 24, 2013 at 2:55 PM

VJ does Mooch. You can forget this one.

Schadenfreude on May 24, 2013 at 2:56 PM

I’m forgetting it anyway.

Jabberwock on May 24, 2013 at 3:06 PM

No, that’s a Tea Party myth. The deficit, relative to GDP, has fallen at a historic rate under Obama. In absolute terms, the deficit is anticipated to fall to around $650 bil in 2013. It would fall even lower had House allowed Obama to end more upper class tax loopholes and restore the capital gains tax to Clinton era levels.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-05-14/u-s-deficit-to-fall-to-642-billion-says-budget-agency.html

bayam on May 24, 2013 at 2:49 PM

There I fixed it. Peddle your propaganda elsewhere fool.

tom daschle concerned on May 24, 2013 at 3:06 PM

Drudge Tease Prediction: Holder and DoJ investigated member(s) of Congress and/or their staff.

Today’s document dump prediction: More IRS involved in the targeting of conservatives implicating Lerner even further.

weaselyone on May 24, 2013 at 3:07 PM

Jim Carey to play Eric Holder in the sequel to Liar Liar.

Update: Jim Carey replaced by Jay Carney

IndieDogg on May 24, 2013 at 3:07 PM

bayam, what is the Federal Debt as of May 24, 2013?

D-fusit on May 24, 2013 at 3:08 PM

PolAgnostic on May 24, 2013 at 2:58 PM

They’re not getting their money’s worth from bayam.

Schadenfreude on May 24, 2013 at 3:10 PM

20% increase in wealth experienced by the upper class over the past 5 years, a time when middle class income has stagnated or fallen…

bayam on May 24, 2013 at 3:00 PM

Over the last 5 years? That’s awful! We gotta get rid of this evil Republican president pronto. No wonder all those greedy rich pigs voted for him.

forest on May 24, 2013 at 3:11 PM

bayam, what is the Federal Debt as of May 24, 2013?

D-fusit on May 24, 2013 at 3:08 PM

Don’t confuse him.

He’s gotta a meme to push, dammit!!

Bitter Clinger on May 24, 2013 at 3:12 PM

anthony weiner has no weiner

gerrym51 on May 24, 2013 at 3:12 PM

A. I’m talking about the overall deficit (or “debt” if you prefer). We still spend more than we bring in.
B. Restoring the capital gains tax is a sure way to choke off investment and stagnate what wimpy a recovery we already have going.

But hey, you’re a real genius.
//

Bitter Clinger on May 24, 2013 at 3:03 PM

As many economists have pointed out, there’s never been any evidence that cutting the capital gains tax in half resulted in significant increases in investment (witness meager growth under Bush despite a housing bubble). Likewise, there’s no evidence that increasing capital gains in the past has had a negative impact in investment.

Businesses invest in new capital and expansion due to increased consumer demand. You build a new widget factory when you think you can sell more widgets, not because of tax policy. At the end of the day, the lower capital gains tax has helped those living completely off of investment income far more than it’s helped the economy.

bayam on May 24, 2013 at 3:12 PM

Guests at the White House the night of Benghazi?

oldroy on May 24, 2013 at 3:14 PM

You know, you could actually express some appreciation that the deficit has fallen this far, this fast.

bayam on May 24, 2013 at 3:00 PM

You draw the wrong conclusion. Your source says “When revenues rose, on the other hand, relative spending decreased.” It says nothing about increased taxes. Revenues can increase on lower taxes in times of robust economic growth. Additionally, the quote mentions that “relative spending decreased.” How the hell is the decrease in relative spending measured? Relative to what? The increase in revenues? I’m no economist, but this is a semantic shell game.

freedomfirst on May 24, 2013 at 3:15 PM

No, that’s a Tea Party myth. The deficit, relative to GDP, has fallen at a historic rate under Obama. In absolute terms, the deficit is anticipated to fall to around $650 bil in 2013. It would fall even lower had House allowed Obama to end more upper class tax loopholes and restore the capital gains tax to Clinton era levels.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-05-14/u-s-deficit-to-fall-to-642-billion-says-budget-agency.html

bayam on May 24, 2013 at 2:49 PM

Wait! Huh?
Deficit to drop $650 billion? Well, not too difficult when you raise the baseline a trillion or so.
Sure, you’ll blame Bush, but he was browbeaten by everyone hoping to get your hero elected. In closed door meetings, our leaders found out what could happen if there wasn’t a stimulus. Oh, and the two Dem houses of Congress had nothing to do with this???

freedomfirst on May 24, 2013 at 3:20 PM

Based on the picture for this article on the home page, Obama announces that he is bisexual? A hermaphrodite? Extremely curious?

slickwillie2001 on May 24, 2013 at 3:21 PM

Businesses invest in new capital and expansion due to increased consumer demand. You build a new widget factory when you think you can sell more widgets, not because of tax policy. At the end of the day, the lower capital gains tax has helped those living completely off of investment income far more than it’s helped the economy.

bayam on May 24, 2013 at 3:12 PM

And your idea to help the economy is to take away this money so they have less to live on ? Nice.

Jabberwock on May 24, 2013 at 3:21 PM

bayam on May 24, 2013 at 3:12 PM

You can argue it any way that you want. But 3.8 Trillion spending minus 2.7 Trillion equals 1.1 Trillion deficit. True always equals true. Prime numbers are 1, 3, 7 on and on.

Just because you lie over and over, doesn’t make it the truth.

You could show some appreciation that the Republicans and Bush from 2000 – 2006 kept deficits far lower than Obama.

Whereupon you whip out some sort of calculation saying less spending was actually more spending.

Bottom line is you are a lying ass.

oldroy on May 24, 2013 at 3:22 PM

Yeah, here it is.
Obama drunk during Bengahzi?

Curmudgeon on May 24, 2013 at 3:26 PM

They’re not getting their money’s worth from bayam.

Schadenfreude on May 24, 2013 at 3:10 PM

.
Well, you know the old Kenyan adage:

“Not all village idiots are equal.”

PolAgnostic on May 24, 2013 at 3:26 PM

oldroy on May 24, 2013 at 3:22 PM

I like the cut of your jib…and your colorful conclusion.

freedomfirst on May 24, 2013 at 3:26 PM

Obama’s been quartering troops in private houses. Not for any particular reason, just because he wanted to “Go 10 for 10.”

29Victor on May 24, 2013 at 2:16 PM

Thread winner!

GWB on May 24, 2013 at 2:46 PM

Outstanding.

slickwillie2001 on May 24, 2013 at 3:29 PM

urging America not to give up on government just because of the misdeeds of “some.”

Too late. Already completely given up on….

L ow
I nformation
B ureaucrats

MichaelGabriel on May 24, 2013 at 3:29 PM

I like the cut of your jib…and your colorful conclusion.

freedomfirst on May 24, 2013 at 3:26 PM

It’s time for this stuff to stop. The cut and paste trools need to be escorted out the door. I think we’ve all been patient. And I think we all know what would happen if one of us was making a truthful statement on HuffPo – let alone lying ass cut and paste bullshit, over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over.

Enough is enough. No quarter will be given, and if it gets me banned, so be it.

oldroy on May 24, 2013 at 3:31 PM

Assistant office manager at IRS Cincinnati office put on paid leave for one week.

forest

Pretty good, but I’d bet “resigns under pressure.”

How about a report that the government snooping on AP turns up a new Fast and furious “whistle blower“? We know that the common thread in the bugging campaign was against reporters looking into F&F so maybe we’ll find out that a gun that was allowed to walk was seized from the Tsarnev Brothers after the bombing?

Wouldn’t that be something?

E9RET on May 24, 2013 at 3:31 PM

Killery will move into the White House with Mooch.
And then Hussein, Reggie, Valerie, Mooch and Hillary ,Mooch’s mom and Mooch’s kids will happily for ever on taxpayer’s dime , in that big palace……and Blinton will move in too , so that there is a POTUS in place when Hussein is getting serviced !!

burrata on May 24, 2013 at 2:59 PM

Sounds like a happy commune to me :) if only we didn’t have to subsidize it :)

jimver on May 24, 2013 at 3:32 PM

bayam on May 24, 2013 at 3:12 PM

You can argue it any way that you want. But 3.8 Trillion spending minus 2.7 Trillion equals 1.1 Trillion deficit. True always equals true. Prime numbers are 1, 3, 7 on and on.

Just because you lie over and over, doesn’t make it the truth.

All that I’ve done is present the numbers from CBO, broadly accepted by Wall Street, and reported by Bloomberg and other sources. If you’re going to contest the projected $650 billion deficit number, let us know why it’s incorrect and feel free to offer a correction.

bayam on May 24, 2013 at 3:33 PM

Your grasp of economic policy is quite limited when you suggest that slightly higher taxes on the upper class reduce economic growth, given the 20% increase in wealth experienced by the upper class over the past 5 years, a time when middle class income has stagnated or fallen.

bayam on May 24, 2013 at 3:00 PM

Your grasp of economic policy is quite limited when you suggest that higher taxes on the upper class will balance the budget or reduce the National Debt.

Given that a Democrat has been President over the past (roughtly) 5 years, and we have had a Democratic Senate for the past 5 years and that there was a Democratic house for the majority of that time, it would seem that Democratic rule favors the rich and oppresses the middle class based on the second part of your statement.

talkingpoints on May 24, 2013 at 3:35 PM

Businesses invest in new capital and expansion due to increased consumer demand. You build a new widget factory when you think you can sell more widgets, not because of tax policy. At the end of the day, the lower capital gains tax has helped those living completely off of investment income far more than it’s helped the economy.

bayam on May 24, 2013 at 3:12 PM

And your idea to help the economy is to take away this money so they have less to live on ? Nice.

Jabberwock on May 24, 2013 at 3:21 PM

If part of the upper class that’s realized a 20% increase in net worth over the past 5 years, yes. There’s no reason to subsidize lower taxes that the nation could never afford (see the deficit projections from Bush’s own Treasury) by borrowing money from China and running up federal debt.

bayam on May 24, 2013 at 3:36 PM

With the increasing number of people asking “where was the president” on the night of the Benghazi attack, I’m going to guess that the president is going to hold a late Friday pm presser to at long last answer the question. Bwahahahahahahaha.

scalleywag on May 24, 2013 at 3:37 PM

Pics of Obama attending the Hajj in Mecca…and we all go to the Lunar Calendar after 2014

workingclass artist on May 24, 2013 at 3:38 PM

bayam on May 24, 2013 at 3:33 PM

Whatever you say ass-clown. That you are and ass-clown would also be broadly accepted by wall-street.

oldroy on May 24, 2013 at 3:39 PM

Oh, look

Schadenfreude on May 24, 2013 at 3:39 PM

Your grasp of economic policy is quite limited when you suggest that higher taxes on the upper class will balance the budget or reduce the National Debt.

You need to review the latest deficit projections which tie most of the deficit reduction to new revenue.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2013/05/14/budget-deficit-cbo-estimate/2158945/

BTW, I’m not saying this country is out of the woods yet. The deficit will fall to around $350 bil before increasing again after 2015. This country must come to terms with the costs of healthcare and social security as the country ages. Although it’s only a temporary problem, as the millennials are a larger generation than the boomers. Some mix of higher taxes and lower benefits will be required to fix the problem- a ‘grand bargain’ still needs to happen.

bayam on May 24, 2013 at 3:41 PM

oldroy: Have I offended you? What gives?
I apologize for some etiquette fauz-pas. As I read back, I may have misattributed something to you. But it was intended as a complement. Your entire post looked like it might have been a cut and paste, but I assumed everything below the first line was you. I liked your comment.

I will try not to be a cut and paste “trool”.

freedomfirst on May 24, 2013 at 3:44 PM

bayam on May 24, 2013 at 3:36 PM

Sorry. Stupid, lying ass-clown. Forgot that. Make up whatever you want, ass-clown. Do you think that Obama isn’t borrowing his deficit money from whoever will lend it, ass-clown? Do you think that Obama spending more, and a larger deficit is somehow, less than the lower amount that Bush spent and the lower deficits incurred?

Lower is always lower ass-clown. Higher is always higher. Obama’s spending and year after year deficits are off the chart high.

oldroy on May 24, 2013 at 3:44 PM

David Brooks spots a wrinkle in Obama’s pants. Film at 11.

fred5678 on May 24, 2013 at 3:44 PM

If part of the upper class that’s realized a 20% increase in net worth over the past 5 years, yes. There’s no reason to subsidize lower taxes that the nation could never afford (see the deficit projections from Bush’s own Treasury) by borrowing money from China and running up federal debt.

bayam on May 24, 2013 at 3:36 PM

So, taking more of someone else money is better than borrowing.

No mention of spending less. You know, this really is part of the equation. If you do not consider it, you’ll never fix the problem.

BTW, I am not wealthy, yet capital gains do play a part in my planning.

Jabberwock on May 24, 2013 at 3:45 PM

Saw this teased earlier this week on a site that seemed less than reliable, but it claimed that unnamed insiders were whispering that Obama was “incapacitated” during the hours no one saw him or talked to him. The implication was that he was drinking or even drunk.

Seems unlikely to me. Not that he may have gone upstairs and gotten sloshed, but that anybody around him would talk about it – unless it was a pissed off SS agent. They aren’t happy about getting thrown under the bus on the prostitution thing.

Curmudgeon on May 24, 2013 at 2:53 PM

High on drugs I can believe, but I don’t think he gets falling-down drunk like Hillary did a few months ago.

The run-rate for White House parties with the Hollywood set still seems to be two a week, which is one on the weekend and one mid-week. That would expose him to all the drugs he could wish for, and booze too.

slickwillie2001 on May 24, 2013 at 3:45 PM

Where on earth is Uncle Joe with all the scandaling going on?

Is he heavily sedated somewhere to keep him from making on off-handed comment about how “the AP scandal ain’t nothin’ compared to the IG report from the energy department, believe you me!”.

BobMbx on May 24, 2013 at 3:47 PM

I will try not to be a cut and paste “trool”.

freedomfirst on May 24, 2013 at 3:44 PM

No not you, sorry. The thing that smells like a dairy room floor.

oldroy on May 24, 2013 at 3:47 PM

Saw this teased earlier this week on a site that seemed less than reliable, but it claimed that unnamed insiders were whispering that Obama was “incapacitated” during the hours no one saw him or talked to him. The implication was that he was drinking or even drunk.

Curmudgeon on May 24, 2013 at 2:53 PM

Honestly, if thats the reason, I’d be ok with it.

No, wait. He was told about the events in Benghazi at ~5:00.

For this to be true, it means he knew Americans were under fire and then got drunk?

(please…..if there is a god….this will be the truth)

BobMbx on May 24, 2013 at 3:49 PM

Good question

Schadenfreude on May 24, 2013 at 3:50 PM

<blockquoteGarandFan on May 24, 2013 at 2:48 PM
let’s not forget there are new taxes for Ocare coming in that will be pee’d away.>

tim c on May 24, 2013 at 3:51 PM

oldroy: thanks. I figured it out. I’m a bit slooooooow.

freedomfirst on May 24, 2013 at 3:51 PM

Chris Matthews divorces Obama.

Schadenfreude on May 24, 2013 at 3:51 PM

What will this afternoon’s big holiday-weekend Friday news dump be?

White House admits Obama is a
Low Information President

MichaelGabriel on May 24, 2013 at 3:56 PM

Obama appoints Farrahkahn Attorney General, promotes Holder to Sec Def and nominates Lois Learner to head the Fed.

/Anything is possible.

Key West Reader on May 24, 2013 at 3:58 PM

oldroy: thanks. I figured it out. I’m a bit slooooooow.

freedomfirst on May 24, 2013 at 3:51 PM

Not slow at all. Sorry. I just can’t stand that these people can be allowed to be so disruptive. Every post it’s some kind of bizarre math trick, or semantic device and we’re supposed to just agree. And if you ignore them, they’ll comment 1000 times so you can’t even read the comments from others. There is only one purpose for bayam to be here and that is to disrupt. Ditto for NP, LFOD etc., etc.

oldroy on May 24, 2013 at 3:58 PM

Obama appoints Farrahkahn Attorney General, promotes Holder to Sec Def and nominates Lois Learner to head the Fed.

/Anything is possible.

Key West Reader on May 24, 2013 at 3:58 PM

No. Farrahkahn will be minister of propoganda and social propriety. I think they’ve already floated Deval Patrick as AG replacement.

oldroy on May 24, 2013 at 4:02 PM

Osama bin Laden alive and well in “Pakeeston.”

mjbrooks3 on May 24, 2013 at 4:03 PM

Massive 2012 voter fraud in Philadelphia, Cleveland, Miami, Detroit…

mjbrooks3 on May 24, 2013 at 4:05 PM

There are actually two Barack Obama’s – hence the birth certificate confusion.

mjbrooks3 on May 24, 2013 at 4:07 PM

Oprah Winfrey to become O’s second wife. Michelle very, very angry.

LetsBfrank on May 24, 2013 at 4:10 PM

There are actually two Barack Obama’s – hence the birth certificate confusion.

mjbrooks3 on May 24, 2013 at 4:07 PM

Jay Carney personally knows of three.

can_con on May 24, 2013 at 4:13 PM

4) Mooch files for divorce after catching Jugears and Valerie Jarrett Reggie Love doing the nasty.

FIFY

Dingbat63 on May 24, 2013 at 4:20 PM

Where on earth is Uncle Joe with all the scandaling going on?

Is he heavily sedated somewhere to keep him from making on off-handed comment about how “the AP scandal ain’t nothin’ compared to the IG report from the energy department, believe you me!”.

BobMbx on May 24, 2013 at 3:47 PM

.
My thought was he HAS been the source for some of the leaks (he’s an ambitious idiot) and is NOW “heavily sedated somewhere”.

You may be the first person to notice that Uncle Joe is missing!

PolAgnostic on May 24, 2013 at 4:25 PM

Could this be it?

In an explosive new bombshell report, the New Yorker’s Ryan Lizza claims that the Obama administration deliberately kept Fox News reporter James Rosen in the dark about the warrant to search through his personal emails.

Some new info in the leak case that targeted Fox’s James Rosen coming shortly…— Ryan Lizza (@RyanLizza) May 24, 2013

Del Dolemonte on May 24, 2013 at 4:25 PM

What will this afternoon’s big holiday-weekend Friday news dump be?

To Serve Man… It’s a cookbook!

Hayabusa on May 24, 2013 at 4:27 PM

But hey, you’re a real genius.
//

Bitter Clinger on May 24, 2013 at 3:03 PM

As many Far-Left economists like my other Cult Leader, Paulie Krugman, have pointed out, there’s never been any evidence that cutting the capital gains tax in half resulted in significant increases in investment (witness meager growth under Bush despite a housing bubble). Likewise, there’s no evidence that increasing capital gains in the past has had a negative impact in investment.

bayam on May 24, 2013 at 3:12 PM

Edited for accuracy.

Oh, and thanks for Blaming Bush. I see he still lives rent-free next to your 2 remaining brain cells!

A+

Del Dolemonte on May 24, 2013 at 4:28 PM

Al Sharpton to replace Jay Carney as press secretary.

change is for suckers on May 24, 2013 at 2:28 PM

This.

Except Chris Matthews is the new press secretary.

TarheelBen on May 24, 2013 at 4:29 PM

Curmudgeon on May 24, 2013 at 3:26 PM

This is my bet. I’ll bet Jugears was completely incapacitated during Benghazi but I don’t know how the heck that would be a shoe that could drop.

ORconservative on May 24, 2013 at 4:32 PM

Prez comes out of the closet. He desperately needs a major distraction.

nobar on May 24, 2013 at 2:06 PM

But then who will call to congratulate him?

herm2416 on May 24, 2013 at 4:33 PM

Could this be it?

In an explosive new bombshell report, the New Yorker’s Ryan Lizza claims that the Obama administration deliberately kept Fox News reporter James Rosen in the dark about the warrant to search through his personal emails.

Some new info in the leak case that targeted Fox’s James Rosen coming shortly…— Ryan Lizza (@RyanLizza) May 24, 2013

Del Dolemonte on May 24, 2013 at 4:25 PM

It must just kill these media types that only reporters that were worthy to be spied on were from Fox. They either have to accept that big brother is allowed to look over their shoulder, or that Fox is the only News organization doing anything worthy of being called investigative.

oldroy on May 24, 2013 at 4:34 PM

Prez comes out of the closet. He desperately needs a major distraction.

nobar on May 24, 2013 at 2:06 PM

But then who will call to congratulate him?

herm2416 on May 24, 2013 at 4:33 PM

Andy DI*CK

ToddPA on May 24, 2013 at 4:37 PM

It must just kill these media types that only reporters that were worthy to be spied on were from Fox. They either have to accept that big brother is allowed to look over their shoulder, or that Fox is the only News organization doing anything worthy of being called investigative.

oldroy on May 24, 2013 at 4:34 PM

Had not looked at it quite that way. Thank you for the insight.

I will use it, if you don’t mind.

That is after I stop chuckling.

Jabberwock on May 24, 2013 at 4:38 PM

“click the image to watch”…..

I wouldn’t click on that video even if you paid me.

First he has them hold an umbrella for him, and now this….
http://www.weeklystandard.com/
….and it’s Memorial Day weekend to boot.

Have I said yet today how much I loathe this guy?!?

tencole on May 24, 2013 at 4:38 PM

Del Dolemonte on May 24, 2013 at 4:25 PM

was thinking the same thing…just sent it to HA tips

cmsinaz on May 24, 2013 at 4:38 PM

Bin Laden is alive and well @ Gitmo!!!

patch on May 24, 2013 at 5:18 PM

burrata on May 24, 2013 at 2:59 PM

Darn, I never thought about the commune angle. I was angling for the Obamas and Clintons changing partners making BHO the first openly gay president and Bill the first person to serve as both President and First Lady. Historic.

yesiamapirate on May 24, 2013 at 5:19 PM

So. Now I wonder when the FEC investigations begin.

And when more questions about Obama’s “where-abouts” and pysical and mental state on the night of Benghazi?

oldroy on May 24, 2013 at 5:20 PM

What will this afternoon’s big holiday-weekend Friday news dump be?

Rather than watching our borders and protecting us from terrorists, the Department of Homeland Security has been keeping a close eye on Tea Party rallies in California this week.

What’s so interesting about 60 tea partiers protesting the IRS in San Jose, California on Tuesday, May 21st? The fact that this bit of information was conveyed to the protesters by a Department of Homeland Security officer who was also in attendance.

What was a DHS agent doing at the San Jose Tea Party protest? Why aren’t DHS officers protecting the homeland against foreign enemies armed with explosives and hate? Perhaps because the Obama Administration is more worried about domestic “enemies” armed with the Constitution and love of country.

DHS Agent Man also let slip (or, conveniently leaked in an effort to intimidate) this juicy tidbit: San Jose had the largest turnout in all of California.

Whoa!

So they weren’t just spying on us in San Jose and monitoring us in San Francisco, they were watching us throughout the entire state!

http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2013/05/why_was_the_department_of_homeland_security_monitoring_tea_party_irs_demonstrations.html

I sure hope the DHS Agent includes notes about how Tea Partiers cleaned up the area after the Rally in his recap of the event.

wren on May 24, 2013 at 5:47 PM

You know, you could actually express some appreciation that the deficit has fallen this far, this fast.

bayam on May 24, 2013 at 3:00 PM

If it were true. Which it won’t be.

You claim “objective” reporting agrees with you. And I’ll bet you don’t see the idiocy in that, ether.

Squiggy on May 24, 2013 at 6:59 PM

At some point, even the best non-stick pans allow stuff to stick to them.

lets just hope its sooner rather than later.

RealMc on May 25, 2013 at 10:06 AM

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