WaPo, Gallup: Wide support for path to citizenship in immigration reform

posted at 9:21 am on February 6, 2013 by Ed Morrissey

Two polls today show that immigration-reform proposals offered by a bipartisan group in the Senate enjoy wide support, at least in concept.  The Washington Post approaches the questions in the context of how it impacts Barack Obama’s approval ratings, and they see a turnaround for the President since last summer.  More importantly, though, the key issues of normalization have a significant consensus — but border control even more so:

By 49 to 44 percent, slightly more Americans now approve than disapprove of Obama on immigration. In July, Obama was deep underwater, with just 38 percent offering positive ratings and 52 percent negative.

Even after the shift, though, Obama’s immigration marks continue to trail his overall approval rating, which stood at 55 percent in a January Post-ABC poll.

In addition, two key elements of current reform discussions receive even broader support than Obama: 83 percent support stricter border security, and 55 percent back a path to citizenship for illegal immigrants.

The numbers on normalization look stronger when considering the partisan breakdown.  Not surprisingly, 68% of Democrats favor a path to citizenship as part of a comprehensive immigration reform package.  However, 52% of independents do as well, and so do 42% of Republicans.  That explains why the GOP may be rethinking its opposition to this policy, as those numbers have continued to grow.

On border security, the numbers are definitely in the GOP’s favor.  Democrats had the lowest approval for “stricter border control” …. at 76%.  Eighty-five percent of independents backed stricter border control, and 92% of Republicans.  If the GOP has to give on normalization, they have plenty of opportunity to insist on meaningful reform of border control as a prerequisite.

Gallup finds similar numbers in its survey:

At least two-thirds of Americans favor each of five specific measures designed to address immigration issues — ranging from 68% who would vote for increased government spending on security measures and enforcement at U.S. borders, to 85% who would vote for a requirement that employers verify the immigration status of all new hires. More than seven in 10 would vote for a pathway to citizenship for undocumented immigrants now living in this country. …

Republicans are more widely in favor than independents or Democrats of laws that would require employers to verify the immigration status of new hires, and that would increase spending on border security. Democrats are more widely in favor of a law that would provide a pathway to legal residency and citizenship for undocumented immigrants already living in the U.S. and a law that would provide additional visas for immigrants who have needed technology and science skills. The partisan differences in support for tracking the departures of foreigners coming into the country are smaller.

In fact, Gallup finds a majority of Republicans backing a path to citizenship as part of normalization — 59%.  All political affiliations gave majority support for each of the components of the comprehensive reform package floated last week in the Senate:

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The trend shows that after nearly a decade of fighting over this issue, voters want Congress to start producing solutions. For Republicans, though, border security has to be a solid win before moving on to the normalization process.


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So, lets see if the facts add up.

Commie LBJ lusted for amnesty for illegal immigrants.
Commie Ted Kennedy lusted for amnesty for illegal immigrants.
Commie Clinton lusted for amnesty for illegal immigrants.
Commie Obama lusted for amnesty for illegal immigrants.
Milk Toast (Mexican Nanny Raised) Bush with guilt and the Chamber of Commerce lusting for cheap labor lusted for amnesty for illegal immigrants.

Now seems the hapless go along RNC, Republican Party leadership,
blogs like this and others have lost sight of the rule of law and justice for all.

If the Commie Democrats lust for this, what possible good can it be for freedom, justice, rule of law, reason, common sense, but then lust is what it is.

America is the new Apache Homeland, search your hearts and minds,ask any Apache how this turns out.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on February 6, 2013 at 10:30 AM

food for thought:

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/10/25/mexican-village-turns-vigilante-to-fight-drug-cartel/

now seriously, I’ve got real work to do.

WryTrvllr on February 6, 2013 at 10:26 AM

This story has nothing to do with illegal immigration and whether illegal immigrants from Mexico are generally hard worker or just want to live on the damn welfare…

mnjg on February 6, 2013 at 10:31 AM

Where do these guys come from. Millions have been deported in the past, so it can certainly be done. We don’t have the will to do it, but it is possible.

DFCtomm on February 6, 2013 at 10:28 AM

Don’t feed into the false premise. It doesn’t matter what’s “possible.” If all laws were predicated on what was possible, we wouldn’t enforce laws against murder, rape, or drug pushing either because there we’ll never be able to get rid of all murder, rape, or illegally obtained drugs.

gryphon202 on February 6, 2013 at 10:31 AM

68% of Democrats favor a path to citizenship as part of a comprehensive immigration reform package

Democrats had the lowest approval for “stricter border control” …. at 76%

Way to join the LSM, Ed. The survey clearly indicates the linch pin to a comprehensive policy is border security… But, per Ed and the Media…Squirrel!! Headline=WaPo, Gallup: Wide support for path to citizenship in immigration reform

There is an appropriate circle in Hell for ‘journalists’.

socalcon on February 6, 2013 at 10:33 AM

@WryTrvllr: You’re still implying that America’s future prosperity is properly contingent on the convenience of a foreign power with an historic grudge against us. You don’t think that’s a risky proposition?

Seth Halpern on February 6, 2013 at 10:27 AM

Thank you for being civil. I am sure we would be much safer with our population in free fall and even more numbers of envious poor mexicans just to the south of our border. Strengthening ties with Mexico is a good idea

WryTrvllr on February 6, 2013 at 10:33 AM

Two Party Evil Money Cult of Washington D.C. in action.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on February 6, 2013 at 10:34 AM

…I call BULLSH!T…!!!

KOOLAID2 on February 6, 2013 at 10:34 AM

Strengthening ties with Mexico is a good idea

WryTrvllr on February 6, 2013 at 10:33 AM

We will only do so at the cost of our national identity, sovereignty, and prosperity. There is NOTHING to be gained by America in letting Mexicans come here freely.

gryphon202 on February 6, 2013 at 10:37 AM

Where do these guys come from. Millions have been deported in the past, so it can certainly be done. We don’t have the will to do it, but it is possible.

DFCtomm on February 6, 2013 at 10:28 AM

Give me a real scenario of deporting millions of illegal immigrants… Go to an apartment building where dozens of illegal immigrants live… Storm their apartments… arrest them and in many cases with their little children… put them buses and drives them to Mexico?… Reapeat this tens of thousands of times across the nations?…. Beside the PR mega disaster that will be seen on TV how many law enforcements people need to be involved with this?… The answer is millions of law enforcement people at the cost of tens of billions of dollars… It is logisitically impossible task…

My solution listed above is the best solution… Just give them work visa with NO PATH TO CITIZENSHIP and no access to welfare program, social security, medicare, or medicaid…

mnjg on February 6, 2013 at 10:37 AM

“Path to citizenship” is a fuzzy term that means different things to each reader.

U.S. Code already details the legal pathway.

socalcon on February 6, 2013 at 10:37 AM

I am sure we would be much safer with our population in free fall and even more numbers of envious poor mexicans just to the south of our border. Strengthening ties with Mexico is a good idea

WryTrvllr on February 6, 2013 at 10:33 AM

LOL. “envious poor Mexicans” … who gives a %#$@ what the Mexicans do to themselves in Mexico? They scare you? I thought they were hard-working family people just a few minutes ago. Now, they’re “envious poor Mexicans” who are going to overrun us militarily, I guess. But, you’re not worried about tens of millions overrunning us on our own territory – still being envious and ticked off (I guess you missed all those idiotic marches they held where they had their “we didn’t cross the border, the border crossed us” signs out and DEMANDED stuff from America, as if they were entitled to anything but a swift kick in the butt and a bus ride out of the country).

Your mind is a total mess. I’d take a break from trying to think, if I were you. You’re probably going to hurt yourself if you don’t.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on February 6, 2013 at 10:38 AM

America is the new Apache Homeland, search your hearts and minds,ask any Apache how this turns out.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on February 6, 2013 at 10:30 AM

Good point.

totherightofthem on February 6, 2013 at 10:39 AM

My solution listed above is the best solution… Just give them work visa with NO PATH TO CITIZENSHIP and no access to welfare program, social security, medicare, or medicaid…

mnjg on February 6, 2013 at 10:37 AM

We have a program for work visas in place and millions of illegal immigrants choose not to take advantage of it. Hmmmm…

gryphon202 on February 6, 2013 at 10:41 AM

mnjg on February 6, 2013 at 10:37 AM

Don’t get hysterical. You deport them as they come into contact with any form of government – which they do very often. Simple. When they are cut off from any government services they pick themselves up and leave – though most would probably trek up to Canada, which is where lots of them went the last time we started having some crackdowns. It turns out that illegals are highly mobile people who can move very far for very little reason. Funny how that is.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on February 6, 2013 at 10:41 AM

Worth repeating over and over:

We do not enforce laws based on what is “practical” or “possible” or based on “logistics.”

gryphon202 on February 6, 2013 at 10:42 AM

So …we’re supposed to believe polls conducted by the same media that’s turned a blind eye to Obama’s imperial presidency, including killing American’s without due process by his administration’s order alone. The same media that hasn’t investigated any reports of wrongdoing by this administration unless it was to try and help obfuscate for them,including Fast and Furious and the deaths of over 200 Mexican nationals related to those weapons and at least two Americans, including refusing to report the story of Menenedez’s little trips and who was paying for them… and why… the media’s complicity and willing participation in vilifying and castigating anyone who voiced disagreement with this administration’s policies, or with the progressive agenda…

Let’s face it… the list of the media’s refusal to BE journalists, particularly unbiased investigative journalists, is too long to enumerate.

Expecting me to believe their polls, which invariably reflect and serve their own political agenda, is ridiculous.

thatsafactjack on February 6, 2013 at 10:44 AM

If you were the “made members” of the Two Party Evil Money Cult in Washington D.C.. If you had spent the U.S.A. into $20 Trillion of short term debt, you know that the unfunded libilities are $60 Trillion or more,,, what would you do, you would be in fear of your life once the big lie comes home to roost.

So they hope to use these new age wage/vote/tax payer slaves they have “imported on purpose” to avoid the judgement due them for their cimes and ommisions.

Clear it is they are in full panic mode now, knowing we the people and history will now judge them for these crimes.

They should be in a panic and the things that happen to them is just what they deserve.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on February 6, 2013 at 10:51 AM

Wording and sampling…

voiceofreason on February 6, 2013 at 10:52 AM

Look at it this way.

Once the Apache had the now American Southwest.

Unlimited illegal immigration for 300 years from Mexico.

The Apache lost their lands and lives.

The worst of it was the “Apache Scouts” who for gold/mescal guided the Mexican Army to the camps of the other Apache and when the men were gone off the search for food or in a battle to try to save the land (our men gone to Iraq, Afganistain, S. Korea, Germany, Japan ) the women, the old and the childern were cleansed from the land.

The “Two Party Evil Money Cult in Washington D.C.” are the current
“American Scouts” who guide others to our camps.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on February 6, 2013 at 10:59 AM

“We need a path to citizenship” implies there isn’t one.

If this is the case, why do we continue to fund the Immigration and Naturalization programs? What are they doing?

BobMbx on February 6, 2013 at 10:59 AM

This poll may also suffer a Bradley Effect, same as gay marriage polls. Hell, why do they call it a Bradley Effect? The Bradley Effect wasn’t even a Bradley Effect—let’s call it a “Please Don’t Bring The Dwama” Effect. People will either poll positively out of fear of drama (vote negatively at the polls), or may poll positively, but not so positively they bust their butts to vote based on the issue(not vote at all).

A further effect can be found in the “My Congressional District Didn’t Believe Mitt Romney Was Coming To Take Their Tampons Away” Effect. This will limit the effectiveness of outfits like OFA and other pressure groups, and outer-ring suburban/rural counties have sucky bang for the telecom buck when it comes to polling. Congressman Bubba McRural, or Betty Suburbia don’t have to care about the welfare queens and college kids in the big city, who are easier to reach by telephone than their own constituents.

Sekhmet on February 6, 2013 at 11:00 AM

Give me a real scenario of deporting millions of illegal immigrants… Go to an apartment building where dozens of illegal immigrants live… Storm their apartments… arrest them and in many cases with their little children… put them buses and drives them to Mexico?… Reapeat this tens of thousands of times across the nations?…. Beside the PR mega disaster that will be seen on TV how many law enforcements people need to be involved with this?… The answer is millions of law enforcement people at the cost of tens of billions of dollars… It is logisitically impossible task…

mnjg on February 6, 2013 at 10:37 AM

Erh, no it isn’t. And spending billions to save trillions is a win in my book.

The process of deportation is pretty much what happens in Mexico to “out of status” individuals. But, who in their right mind would want to sneak into Mexico as a final destination (besides jihadis)?

BobMbx on February 6, 2013 at 11:03 AM

mnjg on February 6, 2013 at 10:37 AM

First and foremost you hold EVERY employer accountable for employing illegals. Next, offer absolutely no benefits to illegals. These two very possible things will cause 90% or more of illegals to self-deport.

We are staying in an gated RV park about 1 mile from the border. The “funny” thing is that two nights ago I was awaken at 4:30am in the morning by the neighbor’s dog barking. When I looked out the window, there were 5 to 8 illegals marching through our gated RV park. Next morning I heard Big Sis announce that the border with Mexico is safe!

katablog.com on February 6, 2013 at 11:05 AM

‘consensus’ / plurality believe in the fraud of global warming, too.
What a pathetically low and disgusting standard the “moderate” right has adopted. Not what is the girt thing today, bu what is the convenient thing to do.
/spit

rayra on February 6, 2013 at 11:06 AM

I don’t believe these polls anymore than I believe in the unbiased nature of those paying for them.

sharrukin on February 6, 2013 at 9:48 AM

How do we know a poll was even taken? What if the polling company said they called, spoke to etc and then just falsified the results. What if these liberal media outlets are just plain faking it for the cause. Whatever the heck that cause is because I can’t imagine them making out from most of these causes. I think that is one of my big problems with liberals. Few if any of their causes have any ROI.

Dr. Frank Enstine on February 6, 2013 at 11:08 AM

What is going on with this site? Is there a delay in posting and updates of the threads?

mnjg on February 6, 2013 at 11:08 AM

Seriously, when did the RINO nomenklatura get so pathetically stupid and wrong-headed. Thet’re like some sort of malprogrammed Stepford Wives, totally without principle or backbone, seeking only ‘concensus’ / compromise.

rayra on February 6, 2013 at 11:09 AM

In fact, Gallup finds a majority of Republicans backing a path to citizenship as part of normalization — 59%.

That is a lie. Legalization doesn’t have to be citizenship. Look at the question.

besser tot als rot on February 6, 2013 at 11:15 AM

First and foremost you hold EVERY employer accountable for employing illegals. Next, offer absolutely no benefits to illegals. These two very possible things will cause 90% or more of illegals to self-deport.

We are staying in an gated RV park about 1 mile from the border. The “funny” thing is that two nights ago I was awaken at 4:30am in the morning by the neighbor’s dog barking. When I looked out the window, there were 5 to 8 illegals marching through our gated RV park. Next morning I heard Big Sis announce that the border with Mexico is safe!

katablog.com on February 6, 2013 at 11:05 AM

The idea of self deport and punishing the employers who hire illegal immigrants is nothing new, there are many laws to do so, but it will not work… First the vast majority of employers who hire illegal immigrants are mainly small business owner such as farmers, construction business, landscap business, small grocey stores, etc… No one is going to go after these small business owners… No one, not now, not in a million year…

In regards to self deport by cutting welfare programs, then yes I agree… However I doubt that you will get 90% of them to deport because many of them work and can manage to survive without being on welfare…

mnjg on February 6, 2013 at 11:15 AM

“We need a path to citizenship” implies there isn’t one.

BobMbx on February 6, 2013 at 10:59 AM

Exactly. Their path to citizenship should be the same as everyone else’s. Legalization is the only thing that should be open to debate.

besser tot als rot on February 6, 2013 at 11:17 AM

If the bill doesn’t have La Raza and politicians like Gutierrez screaming bloody murder then I don’t even have to read it to know it is a bad bill.

Wigglesworth on February 6, 2013 at 11:18 AM

The ELEPHANT in the room that everyone ignores is “How many ILLEGALS even want to be US citizens?”

Secure the borders, then we’ll talk.

GarandFan on February 6, 2013 at 11:22 AM

More polls supporting “Path to Citizenship”.

Reposting from elsewhere.

“Path to Citizenship” can mean an awful lot of things. It could be a highly restrictive process that only 10-20% of “out of status new American immigrants” qualify for (see Conyers comments) that takes two decades and can cost tens of thousands of dollars. Or it could simply involve making an affidavit, filling out a form, paying a small fee, and waiting a few months.

Now Comrade O and his Chicago Way Gang of vote manufacturers will propose whatever they want, label it the “Path to Citizenship Act”, claim a majority of the public supports it, demonize anyone who opposes it, and ram it through Congress, with the full support of their Mainstream Media Propoganda Machine, AKA the MSM. Of course, that was the plan all along anyway, with or without polls.

farsighted on February 6, 2013 at 11:24 AM

Two polls today show that immigration-reform proposals offered by a bipartisan group in the Senate enjoy wide support, at least in concept.

Ed Morrisey

.
Unless I am party to the questions being presented by these polls, I ain’t trusting them.

(That’s not a criticism of you, Ed)

listens2glenn on February 6, 2013 at 11:24 AM

… and a law that would provide additional visas for immigrants who have needed technology and science skills.

Why? We have people out of work that can fill these positions, but businesses won’t hire them as they can get cheaper foreign labor through the use of visas. And they want more visas to be available, so more Americans can be laid off.

sadatoni on February 6, 2013 at 11:25 AM

Polls shmolls. Like Congressmen, I trust none of them.

Mr. Arrogant on February 6, 2013 at 11:41 AM

Yep. they can blame their parents for putting them in that position. They are illegal and have no business in this country. If you care so much, you can move down to some little village in Mexico and take care of all the illegals who are shipped back there.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on February 6, 2013 at 9:57 AM

What kind of moronic statement is that?

Let’s pretend you found out tomorrow that your parents lied and you are, in fact, an illegal alien. You’d happily board a plane to some nation you’ve never visited before and decide to live there happily ever after. Well, all except for the blaming parents thing. But the rest of it would be groovy, huh?

ButterflyDragon on February 6, 2013 at 11:41 AM

Per NumbersUSA, WaPo basically conducted a push poll without the Attrition Through Enforcement option, then asked whether the respondents supported Obama’s handling of immigration. I’m sure these facts were never mentioned.

1. It would cost trillions of dollars in extra government spending and social services.
2. It would immediately put millions of ILLEGAL ALIENS in front of the employment line to hold or take U.S. jobs while 20 million Americans can’t find one.
3. It would allow amnestied aliens to begin endless chains of relatives to come and add further competition for jobs and services.
4. It would legalize 20 – 30 million illegal aliens without requiring triggers that fully implement enforcement first. The previous 7 amnesties between 1896 and 2000 had no enforcement triggers and served only to entice 20-30 million new illegal aliens who now demand their own amnesty.

TxAnn56 on February 6, 2013 at 11:46 AM

Um, YOU get serious and stop making emotional and hormone-driven decisions.

Midas on February 6, 2013 at 10:16 AM

I guess our criminal justice system is based on emotional and hormone-driven decisions.

LOL

ButterflyDragon on February 6, 2013 at 11:48 AM

These are polls of “adults”. Unless they only ask US citizens the polls are skewed. Only citizens have the right to give an opinion on this subject.

Rose on February 6, 2013 at 11:49 AM

Added to all these illegal aliens, within the next 37 years, our Congress will import 100 million legal immigrants from the third world into America. Do you think we stand a chance of maintaining what it means to be an American?

TxAnn56 on February 6, 2013 at 11:58 AM

The area “served” by the WaPo is riddled with immigrants, whether legal or illegal aliens, who knows? Many of them do not speak English. (I spent a lengthy Sunday evening not long ago, trying to get directions from the few establishments open for business. Not until a customer visiting the area wandered into the gas-station office gave me directions did I have success.)

How many of these people are domestics, nannies, restaurant and hotel/motel workers, and lawn service workers are providing a cozy lifestyle for the affluent?

The poll is weighted toward an outcome that is supposed to influence lawmakers and the general public.

onlineanalyst on February 6, 2013 at 12:07 PM

Boehner: DREAM Act ‘worthy of consideration’

By Luke Russert, Capitol Hill Correspondent, NBC News
******************************************************

House Speaker John Boehner (R-OH) said bringing up something like the DREAM Act would be “worthy of consideration” a day after his No. 2, House Majority Leader Eric Cantor (R-VA), embraced the plan that would give children brought to the United States illegally a pathway to citizenship.

The idea is “worthy of consideration,” Boehner said Wednesday at his weekly press conference. As speaker, he said, he wants to “do everything I can to foster this continuing conversation” regarding immigration.

Yesterday during a speech that aides described as “Republican re-branding,” Cantor expressed support for ideas found in the DREAM Act that were voted down by Congress in 2010 saying.

“It is time to provide an opportunity for legal residence and citizenship for those who were brought to this country as children and who know no other home,” Cantor said.

Boehner did not wholly embrace the DREAM Act, however, which is understandable considering the speaker has to weigh politics within his conference.

http://firstread.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/02/06/16869946-boehner-dream-act-worthy-of-consideration?lite

canopfor on February 6, 2013 at 12:22 PM

Sorry. Just.Not.Buyin’.It.

I put these polls in the same category of reliability as I do the ones that say “92% of gun owners support universal background checks.”

It’s just a little too convenient that all of these polls suddenly support the regime’s position. And this many “convenient coincidences” just don’t happen in real life.

Solaratov on February 6, 2013 at 12:38 PM

The idea of self deport and punishing the employers who hire illegal immigrants is nothing new, there are many laws to do so, but it will not work… First the vast majority of employers who hire illegal immigrants are mainly small business owner such as farmers, construction business, landscap business, small grocey stores, etc… No one is going to go after these small business owners… No one, not now, not in a million year…

In regards to self deport by cutting welfare programs, then yes I agree… However I doubt that you will get 90% of them to deport because many of them work and can manage to survive without being on welfare…

mnjg

In other words, you’re not really interested in solutions that have been proven to work, you’re simply interested in the one solution that has been proven not to work. Let me guess…you rely on illegal labor?

By the way pollsters, let me know how the poll turns out when you ask if illegal immigrants should be given amnesty instead of using the weasel words you use to get the results you want. I suspect the results will be a little different.

xblade on February 6, 2013 at 12:43 PM

Let’s pretend you found out tomorrow that your parents lied and you are, in fact, an illegal alien. You’d happily board a plane to some nation you’ve never visited before and decide to live there happily ever after. Well, all except for the blaming parents thing. But the rest of it would be groovy, huh?

ButterflyDragon on February 6, 2013 at 11:41 AM

Not!Our!Problem!

If the kid has a beef with the way his/her parents treated them or lied to them – or even “ripped them from their homeland” – let’em take it up with the parents. It doesn’t concern us.

Solaratov on February 6, 2013 at 12:44 PM

Let’s pretend you found out tomorrow that your parents lied and you are, in fact, an illegal alien. You’d happily board a plane to some nation you’ve never visited before and decide to live there happily ever after. Well, all except for the blaming parents thing. But the rest of it would be groovy, huh?

ButterflyDragon

What does happiness have to do with it? You know what the irony is? Every illegal came to this country….a country THEY had never visited before, lol.

And I love the arguments that claim these folks won’t self deport if they can’t get jobs and benefits. Never mind that they already HAVE self-deported their own country because they couldn’t get jobs and benefits, lol.

xblade on February 6, 2013 at 12:49 PM

WaPo, Gallup: Wide support for path to citizenship in immigration reform

Annnnnnd, we have a pic of ROOOOOOOOBIO!!!! OUR HERO!!

We’re SAVED!!!!!

Que the theme song for Mighty Mouse!

“Here I come to save the day”!!

ToddPA on February 6, 2013 at 12:54 PM

Let it burn.

jnelchef on February 6, 2013 at 12:54 PM

Knock, Knock, Knock at our front doors.

“Hi, I’m from the Goverment and I’m here to help with illegal immigration.”

Get It Yet.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on February 6, 2013 at 12:57 PM

They SHOULD have been easy pickings for the republican party. Most of the one’s I see are willing to work hard. Until the hit America, they usually have a strong nuclear family ethic. You had to work HARD to push them towards the democrats.

Kudos to you.

WryTrvllr

Yeah, that 1986 Reagan amnesty was a real slap in the face to Hispanics. They really had no choice but to continue supporting democrats after that racist act.

xblade on February 6, 2013 at 1:19 PM

The killer in this sucker “reform” proposal is that it grants immediately to illegal aliens the legal status to work, the main thing to them, not the citizenship – which would then come, probably soon enough, by judicial fiat. Such a “reform” will tell the world what hopelessly gullible suckers we are and make another great magnet for a huge inflow of more illegals.

Ann Coulter is not fooled

Chessplayer on February 6, 2013 at 1:22 PM

APACHEWHOKNOWS on February 6, 2013 at 10:59 AM

Most of the Apache objections to Mexicans were rooted in just plain outright racism.

True Fact.

Geronimo refused to surrender to a Mexican general – instead agreed to surrender to an American one.

So you can hate on Mexicans if you will – you’re just keeping true to your Apache DNA I suppose.

HondaV65 on February 6, 2013 at 1:24 PM

But I will leave (for now). Like I said, strange hill to die on.

WryTrvllr

If the continued existence of the country isn’t a hill to die on, nothing is.

Mexico has been voting socialist for a hundred years so where do you get the silly notion that they would favor the GOP?

sharrukin

From the same place his head is located.

xblade on February 6, 2013 at 1:24 PM

Well, you guys can bit*h about it all you want – but your extreme side has been SHUT OUT of the conversation. You aren’t at the table – and you won’t be.

And the reason for that is your bizarre notion that somehow we can deport 22 million people that are already here. 22 million – more people than were deported in Hitler’s Germany and the Indian Partition … COMBINED (and you know how swimmingly well those worked out!)

Your belief in magical notions such as “self-deportation” have made you a laughing stock.

The 22 million – will get a path – bank that. What the “adults” will also try to do this time – is seal the border.

While you guys pound the table.

HondaV65 on February 6, 2013 at 1:28 PM

Ed, you are getting more like the mainstream media every day – all propaganda all the time.

bw222 on February 6, 2013 at 1:30 PM

The amnesty of 3 million (estimated at 300k) will lead to the amnesty of 20+ million (estimated at 11 million and holding since 2002). What will the amnesty of 20+ million in 2013 lead to in the amnesty of 2021? 40 million? 60 million? The answer: every uneducated, non-productive person Mexico doesn’t want.

We are losing our country while RINOs like Ed Morrissey and Marco Rubio are having organisms over illegals becoming citizens at a cost in the trillions.

bw222 on February 6, 2013 at 1:37 PM

WryTrvllr

Obviously you are totally ignorant of the Hispanic voting patterns since 1976.

bw222 on February 6, 2013 at 1:40 PM

Polling depends so much on the questions, of course.

Why not ask which of these 3 major policies is most popular?

fred5678 on February 6, 2013 at 1:57 PM

Yet another poll ment to shape public opinion rather then reflect it. I find it interesting that HA chose to ignore hearing in the House including testimony showing that the 9/11 hijackers would have been allowed to remain in the country under the current Obama amnesty.Any immigration “reform” with the stench of amnesty and I’m done with the GOP.

Hera on February 6, 2013 at 1:58 PM

Thank you for being civil. I am sure we would be much safer with our population in free fall and even more numbers of envious poor mexicans just to the south of our border. Strengthening ties with Mexico is a good idea

WryTrvllr on February 6, 2013 at 10:33 AM

Ok, so you’re suggesting it would better to have those hordes of “envious poor mexicans” here impacting *our* economy? Have you looked around at our economy lately, champ? Maybe you’re hoping that when ours tanks, the Mexican economy – having sent all of their peasants here to wreck *our* economy – will be strong enough for hordes of ‘envious poor americans’ to want to immigrate there(illegally, I might add – and not welcomed with open arms as such)?

Put down the crack pipe.

Midas on February 6, 2013 at 2:04 PM

HondaV65 on February 6, 2013 at 1:28 PM

I find that reading your posts and simply substituting the phrase “I VOTED FOR OBAMA!” instead of the rest of your dreck, works pretty well.

STFU.

Midas on February 6, 2013 at 2:06 PM

We will only do so at the cost of our national identity, sovereignty, and prosperity. There is NOTHING to be gained by America in letting Mexicans come here freely.

gryphon202 on February 6, 2013 at 10:37 AM

What kind of national identity will you expect in 50 years with our birth rate dropping.

Why is converting illegals to taxpayers a bad thing. They are here already.

You notice I haven’t said ANYTHING about the border. Enforce it.

Tear up families already here. Pelosi is smiling somewhere.

All the new immigrants start out as democrats. The democrats, with your help, are trying to keep them there.

WryTrvllr on February 6, 2013 at 2:27 PM

Ok, so you’re suggesting it would better to have those hordes of “envious poor mexicans” here impacting *our* economy? Have you looked around at our economy lately, champ? Maybe you’re hoping that when ours tanks, the Mexican economy – having sent all of their peasants here to wreck *our* economy – will be strong enough for hordes of ‘envious poor americans’ to want to immigrate there(illegally, I might add – and not welcomed with open arms as such)?

Put down the crack pipe.

Midas on February 6, 2013 at 2:04 PM

Yeah, it sucks. (our economy, that is). Obviously the solution is to take the people who are willing to do the low paying jobs and ship them off. I don’t know what I was thinking.

WryTrvllr on February 6, 2013 at 2:30 PM

WryTrvllr
Obviously you are totally ignorant of the Hispanic voting patterns since 1976.

bw222 on February 6, 2013 at 1:40 PM

Obviously you are ignorant of mobility of social status.

WryTrvllr on February 6, 2013 at 2:32 PM

Strengthening ties with Mexico is a good idea

WryTrvllr on February 6, 2013 at 10:33 AM

We will only do so at the cost of our national identity, sovereignty, and prosperity. There is NOTHING to be gained by America in letting Mexicans come here freely.

gryphon202 on February 6, 2013 at 10:37 AM

Playing liberal for a moment(ugh, I feel so dirty already) I would point out that Mexico was by far the largest source of legal immigration for years before Ted K opened the borders via amnesty–so, in the name of firness, I believe we need to halt that and balance the influx with other nationalities, like Iceland and….

Don L on February 6, 2013 at 2:36 PM

Your mind is a total mess. I’d take a break from trying to think, if I were you. You’re probably going to hurt yourself if you don’t.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on February 6, 2013 at 10:38 AM

I’m sorry. But I’ll not discourse with someone who constantly hurls insults.

In a debate, that’s called losing.

But, since I have feelings too, I assume in you nom-de-plume you must be referring to a single proton and electron yes?

WryTrvllr on February 6, 2013 at 2:38 PM

Playing liberal for a moment(ugh, I feel so dirty already) I would point out that Mexico was by far the largest source of legal immigration for years before Ted K opened the borders via amnesty–so, in the name of firness, I believe we need to halt that and balance the influx with other nationalities, like Iceland and….

Don L on February 6, 2013 at 2:36 PM

Tough to do when their birth rates are in free fall too. I guess that leaves the egyptians and syrians and turks.

vunderbar (sp?)

WryTrvllr on February 6, 2013 at 2:42 PM

Oh, never mind, they’re all going to western europe, china, Russia, and Australia, oh,….and Mali

WryTrvllr on February 6, 2013 at 2:43 PM

Yeah, it sucks. (our economy, that is). Obviously the solution is to take the people who are willing to do the low paying jobs and ship them off. I don’t know what I was thinking.

WryTrvllr on February 6, 2013 at 2:30 PM

Hey, don’t stop there, genius – I want you to follow that straw man argument to its end – can’t wait to hear how that will be bad for unemployment, bad for the economy, bad for education/healthcare costs, bad for welfare costs, bad for crime statistics, etc.

Please, do continue.

Midas on February 6, 2013 at 2:48 PM

Hey, don’t stop there, genius – I want you to follow that straw man argument to its end – can’t wait to hear how that will be bad for unemployment, bad for the economy, bad for education/healthcare costs, bad for welfare costs, bad for crime statistics, etc.

Please, do continue.

Midas on February 6, 2013 at 2:48 PM

Hey Genius (?) tell me why our industry is constantly leaving.

WryTrvllr on February 6, 2013 at 2:52 PM

And the high paying jobs follow the low paying jobs.

ALWAYS

WryTrvllr on February 6, 2013 at 2:53 PM

and learn what a straw man is

WryTrvllr on February 6, 2013 at 2:54 PM

I wasn’t polled. Deport all of this third world trash. My wife is an immigrant. There’s a process and rule of law. If the rule of law is not respected and is circumvented, you have lawlessness Ladies and Gents.

Levinite on February 6, 2013 at 3:01 PM

IRONY:

Birth rate among Hispanic immigrants dropped sharply in 2010

The last year of positive net migration from Central America to the US was 2006

The school district I work at in TX has pre-Ks filled to the rafters, elementary schools bursting at the seams….And middle and high schools that have not had to expand in over a decade in el barrio. The most recent expansion of pre-Ks were pods of portable buildings on spare land the middle schools have. Which can go away in 2015 after the babies not born in 2010 don’t enroll. This suggests families come here, have their babies, and leave before the youngest planned child gets too old to qualify the family for TANF.

If we do nothing, the problem may start taking care of itself. The 2006ers seem to be about done having babies, and they will leave in ’15 or ’16 if not sooner. Let’s see if we can get the Democrats to qu33r the deal…

Sekhmet on February 6, 2013 at 3:10 PM

“A path to citizenship aka amnesty is generational theft over $10 Trillion Dollars.”

A Federal Crime.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on February 6, 2013 at 3:12 PM

Seknmet,

Do you understand that you have been paid off and now work as a scout to show the way to our gold enableing the illegals to break and enter your fellow citizens homes and night.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on February 6, 2013 at 3:14 PM

I’m sorry. But I’ll not discourse with someone who constantly hurls insults.

In a debate, that’s called losing.

But, since I have feelings too, I assume in you nom-de-plume you must be referring to a single proton and electron yes?
WryTrvllr on February 6, 2013 at 2:38 PM

Wow. Arguing, 4 hours later, with someone who has left the thread.

Brave.

kingsjester on February 6, 2013 at 3:24 PM

83 percent support stricter border security,

Okay, so if this is true, will 83% of the country get all PO’d if we don’t pass comprehensive reform? Wouldn’t think so. So why can’t we take this one step at a time? Step one – secure the border and 83% of the country will approve.

Step two:

85% would vote for a requirement that employers verify the immigration status of all new hires.

Piecemeal is the way to do this. Did anyone think to poll that concept?

lynncgb on February 6, 2013 at 3:33 PM

Wow. Arguing, 4 hours later, with someone who has left the thread.

Brave.

kingsjester on February 6, 2013 at 3:24 PM

I said I would be coming back. What’s your problem? How brave are any of us, typing.
Grow up.

WryTrvllr on February 6, 2013 at 3:33 PM

I said I would be coming back. What’s your problem? How brave are any of us, typing.
Grow up.
WryTrvllr on February 6, 2013 at 3:33 PM

Boys and girls, this is what is known as “irony”.

kingsjester on February 6, 2013 at 3:35 PM

Seknmet,

Do you understand that you have been paid off and now work as a scout to show the way to our gold enableing the illegals to break and enter your fellow citizens homes and night.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on February 6, 2013 at 3:14 PM

Not following you here. I’m saying, if we do nothing, as in NOTHING like amnesty to keep them here or extend their families’ welfare eligibility, they will leave about 2015 or 2016 as planned when the youngest kid turns 5. Can we make the deal fail and make it enough the Dems’ fault?

Sekhmet on February 6, 2013 at 3:39 PM

buy a webster’s

WryTrvllr on February 6, 2013 at 3:39 PM

WryTrvllr on February 6, 2013 at 3:39 PM

Learn how to capitalize.

Here. Have a Kleenex.

kingsjester on February 6, 2013 at 3:48 PM

Give me a real scenario of deporting millions of illegal immigrants… Go to an apartment building where dozens of illegal immigrants live… Storm their apartments… arrest them and in many cases with their little children… put them buses and drives them to Mexico?… Reapeat this tens of thousands of times across the nations?

mnjg on February 6, 2013 at 10:37 AM

That’s exactly what we’re saying. And it’s possible, whether you choose to see it or not.

Dunedainn on February 6, 2013 at 3:54 PM

Let’s face it… the list of the media’s refusal to BE journalists, particularly unbiased investigative journalists, is too long to enumerate.

Expecting me to believe their polls, which invariably reflect and serve their own political agenda, is ridiculous.

thatsafactjack on February 6, 2013 at 10:44 AM

Indeed.

This thread is utter proof that the Rs MUST be destroyed.

Schadenfreude on February 6, 2013 at 4:03 PM

All who disrespect/disregard the law, go to Hades.

Schadenfreude on February 6, 2013 at 4:04 PM

WryTrvllr on February 6, 2013 at 3:39 PM

Learn how to capitalize.

Here. Have a Kleenex.

kingsjester on February 6, 2013 at 3:48 PM

why? does that help with laughter?

WryTrvllr on February 6, 2013 at 4:04 PM

What fools the Rs are. They must be destroyed or the land will be.

Schadenfreude on February 6, 2013 at 4:06 PM

This thread is utter proof that the Rs MUST be destroyed.

Schadenfreude on February 6, 2013 at 4:03 PM

No need. you’re doing it yourself.

I’m a realistic libertarian.

Although, I am thinking next time I vote Tea Party, no matter what.

You know, like ted CRUZ and marco RUBIO

WryTrvllr on February 6, 2013 at 4:07 PM

actually, yeah it might.

WryTrvllr on February 6, 2013 at 4:13 PM

MNJG,
You can’t grant permanent work visas to 12+ million illegals without letting them vote. The whole world would quickly condemn us, and for good reason. We’d have ourcod own ified caste system made in the USA. And imagine the comparisons to slavery that would be thrown around.

Also, It wouldn’t take long for the millions ,of now legal, immigrants (with no vote) to be demonstrating in the streets, cynically citing the American revolution as inspiration. And they’d have a point. They would be taxed without a vote.

Secure the border first and then maybe talk about an amnesty with significant penalties and requirements. And before that we could at least try e-verify and workplace enforcement. Anything else is a path to Balkanization.

BoxHead1 on February 6, 2013 at 4:14 PM

why? does that help with laughter?

WryTrvllr on February 6, 2013 at 4:04 PM

It did with mine.

I laughed at you until I cried.

kingsjester on February 6, 2013 at 4:15 PM

own codified (Iphone problems)

BoxHead1 on February 6, 2013 at 4:15 PM

why? does that help with laughter?

WryTrvllr on February 6, 2013 at 4:04 PM

It did with mine.

I laughed at you until I cried.

kingsjester on February 6, 2013 at 4:15 PM

Good ’cause over the next few elections you should help with the drought.

WryTrvllr on February 6, 2013 at 4:16 PM

Hiring illegals s/b illegal.

Putting them on welfare and etc. s/b illegal.

Schadenfreude on February 6, 2013 at 4:20 PM

No need. you’re doing it yourself.

I’m a realistic libertarian.

Although, I am thinking next time I vote Tea Party, no matter what.

You know, like ted CRUZ and marco RUBIO

WryTrvllr on February 6, 2013 at 4:07 PM

Nahh. Can’t do it. Still gotta go R

WryTrvllr on February 6, 2013 at 4:20 PM

WryTrvllr on February 6, 2013 at 4:07 PM

Who is “you’re doing…”?

Not been a registered R from long since it was not fashionable, yet.

Schadenfreude on February 6, 2013 at 4:21 PM

WryTrvllr on February 6, 2013 at 4:07 PM

Who is “you’re doing…”?

Not been a registered R from long since it was not fashionable, yet.

Schadenfreude on February 6, 2013 at 4:21 PM

My bad. I must have misread. I’ve always respected your opinion. I have no problem with enforcing the law, until you start tearing up families.

WryTrvllr on February 6, 2013 at 4:24 PM

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