WaPo, Gallup: Wide support for path to citizenship in immigration reform

posted at 9:21 am on February 6, 2013 by Ed Morrissey

Two polls today show that immigration-reform proposals offered by a bipartisan group in the Senate enjoy wide support, at least in concept.  The Washington Post approaches the questions in the context of how it impacts Barack Obama’s approval ratings, and they see a turnaround for the President since last summer.  More importantly, though, the key issues of normalization have a significant consensus — but border control even more so:

By 49 to 44 percent, slightly more Americans now approve than disapprove of Obama on immigration. In July, Obama was deep underwater, with just 38 percent offering positive ratings and 52 percent negative.

Even after the shift, though, Obama’s immigration marks continue to trail his overall approval rating, which stood at 55 percent in a January Post-ABC poll.

In addition, two key elements of current reform discussions receive even broader support than Obama: 83 percent support stricter border security, and 55 percent back a path to citizenship for illegal immigrants.

The numbers on normalization look stronger when considering the partisan breakdown.  Not surprisingly, 68% of Democrats favor a path to citizenship as part of a comprehensive immigration reform package.  However, 52% of independents do as well, and so do 42% of Republicans.  That explains why the GOP may be rethinking its opposition to this policy, as those numbers have continued to grow.

On border security, the numbers are definitely in the GOP’s favor.  Democrats had the lowest approval for “stricter border control” …. at 76%.  Eighty-five percent of independents backed stricter border control, and 92% of Republicans.  If the GOP has to give on normalization, they have plenty of opportunity to insist on meaningful reform of border control as a prerequisite.

Gallup finds similar numbers in its survey:

At least two-thirds of Americans favor each of five specific measures designed to address immigration issues — ranging from 68% who would vote for increased government spending on security measures and enforcement at U.S. borders, to 85% who would vote for a requirement that employers verify the immigration status of all new hires. More than seven in 10 would vote for a pathway to citizenship for undocumented immigrants now living in this country. …

Republicans are more widely in favor than independents or Democrats of laws that would require employers to verify the immigration status of new hires, and that would increase spending on border security. Democrats are more widely in favor of a law that would provide a pathway to legal residency and citizenship for undocumented immigrants already living in the U.S. and a law that would provide additional visas for immigrants who have needed technology and science skills. The partisan differences in support for tracking the departures of foreigners coming into the country are smaller.

In fact, Gallup finds a majority of Republicans backing a path to citizenship as part of normalization — 59%.  All political affiliations gave majority support for each of the components of the comprehensive reform package floated last week in the Senate:

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The trend shows that after nearly a decade of fighting over this issue, voters want Congress to start producing solutions. For Republicans, though, border security has to be a solid win before moving on to the normalization process.


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More “polls” to push public opinion. Swell.

totherightofthem on February 6, 2013 at 9:23 AM

The trend shows that after nearly a decade of fighting over this issue, voters want Congress to start producing solutions. For Republicans, though, border security has to be a solid win before moving on to the normalization process.

The problem is that the Dems have zero interest in securing the border. A lot of them aren’t even trying to hide it. So the entire poll is worthless. Just ask people if they support blanket amnesty, cuz that’s all this bill will ever be if it passes.

Doughboy on February 6, 2013 at 9:24 AM

The trend shows that after nearly a decade of fighting over this issue, voters want Congress to start producing solutions.

Except that the issue of Immigration is a low concern among Americans, trailing well behind issues like the Economy and Jobs.

sentinelrules on February 6, 2013 at 9:26 AM

Oh, so we all like higher unemployment ?

B.S.

stenwin77 on February 6, 2013 at 9:27 AM

The problem is that the Dems have zero interest in securing the border. A lot of them aren’t even trying to hide it. So the entire poll is worthless. Just ask people if they support blanket amnesty, cuz that’s all this bill will ever be if it passes.

Doughboy on February 6, 2013 at 9:24 AM

Unfortuantely, the answer is “¡Si!”

Steve Eggleston on February 6, 2013 at 9:29 AM

Oh, so we all like higher unemployment ?

B.S.

stenwin77 on February 6, 2013 at 9:27 AM

If they polled it by asking about the unintended(but entirely predictable) consequences, even support amongst Dems would crash.

Doughboy on February 6, 2013 at 9:29 AM

WaPo, Gallup: Wide support for path to citizenship in immigration reform

BS.

But it doesn’t matter, anyway. Amnesty is a total deal-breaker for me. Any politician who even thinks about amnesty is on my sh!t list. Anyone who even contemplates aiding and abetting an illegal invasion with citizenship (beyond the morons who want to legalize their residency and work) is a traitor.

There’s really not much more for me to say about this. It’s pretty cut and dried.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on February 6, 2013 at 9:29 AM

Who were they polling? What region of the country. How was the sampling skewed?

It’ll be a path, alright. Directly to Democratic voter registration.

kingsjester on February 6, 2013 at 9:30 AM

If we do give any illegals a path to citizenship, it should include them leaving the country first (for five or ten years). If they don’t want to do that (which most won’t), then let them stay here. Give them some kind of permanent status. But citizenship should be out of the question.

That way, we bring most illegals “out of the shadows,” but we don’t end up with millions of new Democrat voters.

And we should only consider doing any of the above after the border is secured and something is done to address visa overstays.

steebo77 on February 6, 2013 at 9:30 AM

If the GOP has to give on normalization, they have plenty of opportunity to insist on meaningful reform of border control as a prerequisite.

Oh, please. What’s the GOP going to do when it’s revealed they’ve been had yet again? Write a strongly-worded letter?

This is all just polls-as-opinion-shapers. Get ready for the blitz of “only Rubio can win” polls.

ddrintn on February 6, 2013 at 9:31 AM

ddrintn on February 6, 2013 at 9:31 AM

We’ve already had the Rubio blitz here.

kingsjester on February 6, 2013 at 9:32 AM

Eliot Spitzer’s approval ratings crashed from over 70% to mid 30% after Shrillary highlighted his idea to issue licenses to illegals (which killed her candidacy, too). That Spitzer crash took about all of a month to happen (and that was long before he became known as Client #9). But, now the WaPo and Gallup want us to believe that printing up citizenships for illegal criminals (who are already citizens elsewhere) like the Fed prints dollars is the popular cause … Sure it is …

It’s time for a national divorce. Really.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on February 6, 2013 at 9:33 AM

This country is over. Those of us pulling the wagon are being outnumbered by those in the wagon. And those in the wagon think that the fact that we can pull it in the first place is evidence of greed and evil deeds, so we deserve to have to pull harder and to give back more.

What is evil is called good and what is good is called evil. We are there, and we’ve been there for a long time. I just didn’t realize how long it’s been because I’ve had my nose to the grindstone so long. But now I’ve looked up and I se it, and no mater what I do I can’t unsee it. I’ve taken the red pill.

JustTruth101 on February 6, 2013 at 9:34 AM

ddrintn on February 6, 2013 at 9:31 AM

We’ve already had the Rubio blitz here.

kingsjester on February 6, 2013 at 9:32 AM

Oh, but you ain’t seen nothin’ yet. The GOPe is antsy this time around because the rubes are restless. They’ll get started even earlier pushing the GOPe’s mannequin of choice.

ddrintn on February 6, 2013 at 9:34 AM

There’s really not much more for me to say about this. It’s pretty cut and dried.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on February 6, 2013 at 9:29 AM

They call that “having a closed mind.” It comes with age. Try to recall that the pilgrims didn’t exactly have all their papers in order. Then, start calling Rubio a slimeball and an idiot.

John the Libertarian on February 6, 2013 at 9:34 AM

If the GOP has to give on normalization,

“normalization”? LOL. Normalization in our interior enforcement would mean deporting illegals, as that is what is normally done – in nations that run on the Rule of Law. But, now, these dregs of society on the Left and the Vichy Right want to call aiding and abetting alien criminals to be “normalization”? Okey doke. The assault on the language continues apace.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on February 6, 2013 at 9:35 AM

Try to recall that the pilgrims didn’t exactly have all their papers in order.

John the Libertarian on February 6, 2013 at 9:34 AM

LOL. You’re an idiot.

And, in any event, the pilgrims certainly DID have their papers in order. They had to get okays from the crown to come here, you blithering idiot.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on February 6, 2013 at 9:36 AM

I am still waiting for the GOP message on immigration reform. This is both an economic and National security issue. We have high unemployment and slow growth, conservatives should have framed immigration reform as a threat to the middle class.
Many conservatives I speak to are frustrated by the lack of and effective spokesperson who can articulate our beliefs.

celticdefender on February 6, 2013 at 9:36 AM

The numbers on normalization

Look how readily the doublespeak is adopted. You mean “amnesty”, dontcha Ed?

ddrintn on February 6, 2013 at 9:36 AM

Why are we the only country with or that wants open borders? I just don’t get it. No other country allows the illegal, sorry, undocumented immigration like we do. What the frack is wrong with the people here? Are we as a society that stupid and fracked in the head?

Dr. Frank Enstine on February 6, 2013 at 9:36 AM

Because Mexico’s shame is America’s fault?

Seth Halpern on February 6, 2013 at 9:37 AM

“Path to citizenship” is a fuzzy term that means different things to each reader.

I fully support the idea that illegals that have been a productive member of society be allowed to go to the back of the line and start the legal process of becoming a US citizen if they so choose. (Which may require some of them to leave the country and come back)

I do not support outright amnesty.

ButterflyDragon on February 6, 2013 at 9:40 AM

The facts have not been laid out to the people in these polls. The costs to the gov’t for illegal presence and amnesty have not been reported etc. Sheeple answering polls.

aniptofar on February 6, 2013 at 9:41 AM

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canopfor on February 6, 2013 at 9:41 AM

My paternal grandfather came to this country LEGALLY when he was 3. Why is it that MY family had to follow the rules while others do NOT have to follow the rules?
Honestly, I think the fact that my grandfather was a blue-eyed, red-headed Jewish kid might have had something to do with it.
Some animals are more equal than others.

annoyinglittletwerp on February 6, 2013 at 9:42 AM

The transformation of the Republican party is almost complete.

The transformation of Foxnews is almost complete.

The transformation of Hotair is almost complete.

The transformation of America is almost complete.

We lost.

portlandon on February 6, 2013 at 9:43 AM

Why are we the only country with or that wants open borders? I just don’t get it. No other country allows the illegal, sorry, undocumented immigration like we do. What the frack is wrong with the people here? Are we as a society that stupid and fracked in the head?

Dr. Frank Enstine on February 6, 2013 at 9:36 AM

Chalk it up to decades of people being brainwashed into focusing only on what feeeeeeeeeels right and abandoning all common sense. That and a lot of Americans like the cheap labor(even if they’ll never admit it to pollsters).

Doughboy on February 6, 2013 at 9:43 AM

Cave

cmsinaz on February 6, 2013 at 9:43 AM

I fully support the idea that illegals that have been a productive member of society be allowed to go to the back of the line and start the legal process of becoming a US citizen if they so choose. (Which may require some of them to leave the country and come back)

I do not support outright amnesty.

ButterflyDragon on February 6, 2013 at 9:40 AM

That is amnesty that you said you’re fine with. You are assessing no penalty or punishment for illegals who break our laws and violate our sovereignty, except to force them (as if) to go back and start over again on the legal process that they chose to skip. That is the very definition of “amnesty”. No punishment for their crimes – and we all know that there are many, including using SS numbers that ruined Americans’ lives, driving illegally, etc. etc. None of which you can really check … because they’re illegals!

People who are here illegally and refuse to leave must suffer the punishment of being deported and never being allowed entry to America, again. Anything less than that is amnesty. What they are talking about giving these illegals is far beyond amnesty. Rubio and the slimeballs are into aiding and abetting an invading force – which is the only way to describe tens of millions forcing themselves on our territory.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on February 6, 2013 at 9:44 AM

The trend shows that after nearly a decade of fighting over this issue, voters want Congress to start producing solutions. For Republicans, though, border security has to be a solid win before moving on to the normalization process.
========================================

No Glove..No Love,oops,sorry,

No Border Security…No Normalization Process.
(sarc)

canopfor on February 6, 2013 at 9:44 AM

Look, if these things are always so overwhelmingly popular, why all the hesitation to implement it? That should set your bs meter off immediately.

ddrintn on February 6, 2013 at 9:45 AM

This reminds me of the movie where Michael Keaton has a disease and dies. In the movie he says, “I can’t believe it’s happening so fast.”

That is kind of what things are like right now.

tomas on February 6, 2013 at 9:45 AM

Try to recall that the pilgrims didn’t exactly have all their papers in order.

John the Libertarian on February 6, 2013 at 9:34 AM

Tell that to the Virginia Company, you ignoramus.

steebo77 on February 6, 2013 at 9:46 AM

We lost.

portlandon on February 6, 2013 at 9:43 AM

Not yet. But it’s stunning to compare this site to what it was 4 years ago. Would we have had pro-amnesty pieces here?

ddrintn on February 6, 2013 at 9:47 AM

. They’ll get started even earlier pushing the GOPe’s mannequin of choice.

ddrintn on February 6, 2013 at 9:34 AM

Mannequin. HA!

Bishop on February 6, 2013 at 9:47 AM

Border secure and THEN we talk.
Tie immigration to unemployment.
Nothing else until we do that.

GardenGnome on February 6, 2013 at 9:47 AM

I don’t believe these polls anymore than I believe in the unbiased nature of those paying for them.

sharrukin on February 6, 2013 at 9:48 AM

ddrintn on February 6, 2013 at 9:47 AM

How could that be> We were assured that it wouldn’t change./

kingsjester on February 6, 2013 at 9:48 AM

I don’t know why they can’t just mint a trillion dollar platinum coin and give it to Mexico to make up for President Polk’s having been such a cheapskate.

Seth Halpern on February 6, 2013 at 9:48 AM

Jose, can you see?

kingsjester on February 6, 2013 at 9:49 AM

So 58% of Republicans oppose amnesty.And while the GOP leadership and the would be Panderer in Chief Rubio think this will bring Hispanics running to the Republican Party,how many in this 58% will walk away?

redware on February 6, 2013 at 9:50 AM

The Get whacks need to be deported. All of them. Along with their anchor babies. ALL OF THEM!

annoyinglittletwerp on February 6, 2013 at 9:52 AM

I think they should have to build a wall and live right on the other side for 2 years before becoming citizens. During those two years they will have to take Civics classes and learn English.

tomas on February 6, 2013 at 9:52 AM

So 58% of Republicans oppose amnesty.And while the GOP leadership and the would be Panderer in Chief Rubio think this will bring Hispanics running to the Republican Party,how many in this 58% will walk away?

redware on February 6, 2013 at 9:50 AM

Naw, you don’t get it. The idea is to keep putting up polls that “show” wide support for “normalization”, and gradually that 58% becomes less and less. Sort of the way we got Romney as nominee.

ddrintn on February 6, 2013 at 9:53 AM

That is amnesty that you said you’re fine with. You are assessing no penalty or punishment for illegals who break our laws and violate our sovereignty, except to force them (as if) to go back and start over again on the legal process that they chose to skip. That is the very definition of “amnesty”. No punishment for their crimes – and we all know that there are many, including using SS numbers that ruined Americans’ lives, driving illegally, etc. etc. None of which you can really check … because they’re illegals!

People who are here illegally and refuse to leave must suffer the punishment of being deported and never being allowed entry to America, again. Anything less than that is amnesty. What they are talking about giving these illegals is far beyond amnesty. Rubio and the slimeballs are into aiding and abetting an invading force – which is the only way to describe tens of millions forcing themselves on our territory.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on February 6, 2013 at 9:44 AM

Wrong. There are millions of illegals who are here by no choice of their own. Their parents brought them here and they did not choose to break the law.

Are you seriously saying some kid that was brought here as a toddler and is now a teenager, who has grown up “American” all their life should be shipped back to some little village in Mexico or Guatemala that they’ve never envisioned other than in videos or books? Or tell them they’re going to spend time in jail?

Be serious.

ButterflyDragon on February 6, 2013 at 9:54 AM

Not to belabor a point I’ve made countless times but has anyone asked the illegals want they want?

Sounds silly I know but I don’t think there is a strong desire among illegals themselves to become Americans.

They didn’t come here to achieve the American dream but merely to find work to support their families. If given the choice I think that a large majority would prefer a guest worker program that allowed them to move freely between home and the US for work. As things are now, they come here to work and are stuck here. Having risked their lives, jail, coyotes, and probably having spent a considerable sum why would they go home?

It’s the Democrat party and the ethnic lobbies that want to turn illegals into citizens. And for one cynical reason, votes and power.

The CBC supports the goal even though blacks are disproportionately harmed because they are anti-white racists who believe their Utopia lies through reducing whites to a minority.

The GOP must not simply go along with the Dems goal but must make the citizenship bar a very high one.

Charlemagne on February 6, 2013 at 9:55 AM

Yes

tomas on February 6, 2013 at 9:56 AM

Are you seriously saying some kid that was brought here as a toddler and is now a teenager, who has grown up “American” all their life should be shipped back to some little village in Mexico or Guatemala that they’ve never envisioned other than in videos or books?

ButterflyDragon on February 6, 2013 at 9:54 AM

Yep. they can blame their parents for putting them in that position. They are illegal and have no business in this country. If you care so much, you can move down to some little village in Mexico and take care of all the illegals who are shipped back there.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on February 6, 2013 at 9:57 AM

What ever happened to plain old enforcement of existing laws? Every time I hear ‘reform’, I see the end result being that the law is watered-down to defeat the aims of the ‘reform’. Then they need another set of reforms! Which, as we can predict, won’t solve any problems, either.

Deportation, not amnesty. No back doors, no going to the end of the line. Out forever, and that’s the end of it.

Liam on February 6, 2013 at 9:58 AM

LOL. You’re an idiot.

And, in any event, the pilgrims certainly DID have their papers in order. They had to get okays from the crown to come here, you blithering idiot.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on February 6, 2013 at 9:36 AM

Easy there. You forget. The book is called “The Last of the Mohicans” for a reason.

WryTrvllr on February 6, 2013 at 9:59 AM

ButterflyDragon on February 6, 2013 at 9:54 AM

Absolutely. Deport them. The kids can blame their parents.

annoyinglittletwerp on February 6, 2013 at 9:59 AM

Not to belabor a point I’ve made countless times but has anyone asked the illegals want they want?

Sounds silly I know but I don’t think there is a strong desire among illegals themselves to become Americans.

They didn’t come here to achieve the American dream but merely to find work to support their families. If given the choice I think that a large majority would prefer a guest worker program that allowed them to move freely between home and the US for work.

Charlemagne on February 6, 2013 at 9:55 AM

I don’t know how often this has to be said, but I’ll do it yet again. We already have a guest worker program, and it isn’t used. It isn’t used because illegals are cheaper. When do you imagine the time will be when illegals aren’t cheaper?

DFCtomm on February 6, 2013 at 10:00 AM

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canopfor on February 6, 2013 at 10:00 AM

Anyone believing this? Lol

Midas on February 6, 2013 at 10:02 AM

What ever happened to plain old enforcement of existing laws? Every time I hear ‘reform’, I see the end result being that the law is watered-down to defeat the aims of the ‘reform’. Then they need another set of reforms! Which, as we can predict, won’t solve any problems, either.

Deportation, not amnesty. No back doors, no going to the end of the line. Out forever, and that’s the end of it.

Liam on February 6, 2013 at 9:58 AM

What kind of irredeemable moron says, “We can’t enforce the laws we have, so we need more laws?” If we can’t enforce the laws we have on the books now, the last thing we should be doing is relying on government in any way shape or form to correct the problems we have because of those laws.

gryphon202 on February 6, 2013 at 10:02 AM

DFCtomm on February 6, 2013 at 10:00 AM

Then it needs reform to make it the better option.

The point is, illegals do not want citizenship, they want work. Making them citizens solves zero problems.

Charlemagne on February 6, 2013 at 10:03 AM

Ultraconservatives are picking a strange hill to die on here.

1) birth rates in mexico are starting to drop so, no, there will be no floodgate of immigration opened up.

2) birth rates in the US are already in free fall. That will do well for you when you try to sell your house or farm.

3) Mexicans value freedom (cinco de mayo i think they call it) far more than many people let in under the “diversity visa program”

4) they make great tacos.

WryTrvllr on February 6, 2013 at 10:03 AM

Employment is not a zero-sum game. Most people in Las Vegas don’t work for casinos, and most people in San Jose don’t work in high tech. Good jobs always create other jobs.

RBMN on February 6, 2013 at 10:04 AM

1) birth rates in mexico are starting to drop so, no, there will be no floodgate of immigration opened up.

1. Birth rates are only dropping because the peasant population has all moved here, and the floodgate will be open because anyone who wants in can just come through Mexico.

2) birth rates in the US are already in free fall. That will do well for you when you try to sell your house or farm.

The solution to falling birthrates of productive citizens is not “import Turd-Worlders to make up the supposed deficit”. No matter how much the breedtards wail that we’re not making enough babies.

And no, you cannot get around this by pulling a JFKY and claiming that Hispanics are white.

3) Mexicans value freedom

ROTFLOL!

4) they make great tacos.

WryTrvllr on February 6, 2013 at 10:03 AM

Irrelevent, as are you.

MelonCollie on February 6, 2013 at 10:07 AM

WryTrvllr on February 6, 2013 at 10:03 AM

They vote for Democrats because they’re very supportive of redistributive programs.

Charlemagne on February 6, 2013 at 10:07 AM

The point is, illegals do not want citizenship, they want work. Making them citizens solves zero problems.

Charlemagne on February 6, 2013 at 10:03 AM

Very good thing to remember. The only reason they want to vote is to get on welfare. They want under-the-table jobs and couldn’t care much else about the nation they’re in.

MelonCollie on February 6, 2013 at 10:08 AM

Then it needs reform to make it the better option.

The point is, illegals do not want citizenship, they want work. Making them citizens solves zero problems.

Charlemagne on February 6, 2013 at 10:03 AM

I call bullshit. We should be giving citizens, existing legal citizens, preference for any and all work over aliens — illegal, legal, or otherwise. I don’t care if non-citizen aliens (but I repeat myself) want work or anything else or even if they do it legally. They are here at our pleasure and they can be asked to leave at any time for any reason.

gryphon202 on February 6, 2013 at 10:09 AM

WryTrvllr on February 6, 2013 at 10:03 AM

You know what Mexicans value more than freedom? The almighty USD. But I suppose you are right after a fashion; I wish I had the freedom to break the law in the world’s wealthiest country with impunity.

gryphon202 on February 6, 2013 at 10:10 AM

More “polls” to push public opinion. Swell.

totherightofthem on February 6, 2013 at 9:23 AM

Exactly. Note that the poll questions above don’t include any information about how much it will cost this nation to absorb 11+ million illegal immigrants.

Murf76 on February 6, 2013 at 10:11 AM

They SHOULD have been easy pickings for the republican party. Most of the one’s I see are willing to work hard. Until the hit America, they usually have a strong nuclear family ethic. You had to work HARD to push them towards the democrats.

Kudos to you.

WryTrvllr on February 6, 2013 at 10:11 AM

1) birth rates in mexico are starting to drop so, no, there will be no floodgate of immigration opened up.

Add in the Mexican birthrate on American soil.

weaselyone on February 6, 2013 at 10:11 AM

WryTrvllr on February 6, 2013 at 10:03 AM

Just go away.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on February 6, 2013 at 10:12 AM

Exactly. Note that the poll questions above don’t include any information about how much it will cost this nation to absorb 11+ million illegal immigrants.

Murf76 on February 6, 2013 at 10:11 AM

Or how unsafe their neighborhoods will be after a couple hundred Democrat-protected minorities turn them into drug and crime-ridden cesspits.

But hey, that’s what liberals move to conservative states for. Until the conservative states start putting up their own border patrols…

MelonCollie on February 6, 2013 at 10:12 AM

Irrelevent, as are you.

MelonCollie on February 6, 2013 at 10:07 AM

Wrong. Like it or not. Wrong.

WryTrvllr on February 6, 2013 at 10:12 AM

Wrong. Like it or not. Wrong.

WryTrvllr on February 6, 2013 at 10:12 AM

Yes, you are wrong and naive.

MelonCollie on February 6, 2013 at 10:13 AM

They SHOULD have been easy pickings for the republican party. Most of the one’s I see are willing to work hard. Until the hit America, they usually have a strong nuclear family ethic. You had to work HARD to push them towards the democrats.

Kudos to you.

WryTrvllr on February 6, 2013 at 10:11 AM

Again I call bullshit. Dems want to ignore the law, Republicans (used to) wish to enforce it. It’s not that complex.

gryphon202 on February 6, 2013 at 10:13 AM

WryTrvllr on February 6, 2013 at 10:03 AM
Just go away.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on February 6, 2013 at 10:12 AM

Seconded.

kingsjester on February 6, 2013 at 10:14 AM

You know what Mexicans value more than freedom? The almighty USD. But I suppose you are right after a fashion; I wish I had the freedom to break the law in the world’s wealthiest country with impunity.

gryphon202 on February 6, 2013 at 10:10 AM

Yeah I HATE the USD too.

You should see how Americans behave in Mexico.

WryTrvllr on February 6, 2013 at 10:14 AM

Why do I suspect that those for this don’t have to pay for or live with the consequences?

rgranger on February 6, 2013 at 10:14 AM

Hey everyone, let’s play the drum for WryTrvllr!

DUMB-dumb-DUMB-dumb-DUMB-dumb-DUMB-dumb

MelonCollie on February 6, 2013 at 10:14 AM

WryTrvllr on February 6, 2013 at 10:03 AM
Just go away.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on February 6, 2013 at 10:12 AM

Seconded.

kingsjester on February 6, 2013 at 10:14 AM

Guess it sucks being you.

WryTrvllr on February 6, 2013 at 10:14 AM

They SHOULD have been easy pickings for the republican party. Most of the one’s I see are willing to work hard. Until the hit America, they usually have a strong nuclear family ethic. You had to work HARD to push them towards the democrats.

WryTrvllr on February 6, 2013 at 10:11 AM

Mexico has been voting socialist for a hundred years so where do you get the silly notion that they would favor the GOP?

sharrukin on February 6, 2013 at 10:15 AM

MelonCollie on February 6, 2013 at 10:14 AM

nice rhythm. think it up yourself?

WryTrvllr on February 6, 2013 at 10:15 AM

Most of the one’s I see are willing to work hard. Until the hit America, they usually have a strong nuclear family ethic.

WryTrvllr on February 6, 2013 at 10:11 AM

Sounds great! You should move to Mexico, the family paradise of hard workers.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on February 6, 2013 at 10:15 AM

Guess it sucks being you.

WryTrvllr on February 6, 2013 at 10:14 AM

Want a towel for your wet back?

MelonCollie on February 6, 2013 at 10:15 AM

Are you seriously saying some kid that was brought here as a toddler and is now a teenager, who has grown up “American” all their life should be shipped back to some little village in Mexico or Guatemala that they’ve never envisioned other than in videos or books? Or tell them they’re going to spend time in jail?
Be serious.
ButterflyDragon on February 6, 2013 at 9:54 AM

Are you seriously suggesting we make important decisions entirely based on emotion, without regard for what must be done with full and factual consideration of all of the factors and costs, financial, infrastructure, crime, and other?

Um, YOU get serious and stop making emotional and hormone-driven decisions.

Midas on February 6, 2013 at 10:16 AM

They SHOULD have been easy pickings for the republican party. Most of the one’s I see are willing to work hard. Until the hit America, they usually have a strong nuclear family ethic. You had to work HARD to push them towards the democrats.

Kudos to you.

WryTrvllr on February 6, 2013 at 10:11 AM

Really? Well then if you’re so versed why don’t you tell us about the political systems in Mexico, and South America. I mean, if the only thing keeping them from being conservative here is us racist, then I’m assuming they’re majority conservative in Mexico and South America aren’t they? So what kind of political party does well south of the border?

DFCtomm on February 6, 2013 at 10:17 AM

Yeah I HATE the USD too.

You should see how Americans behave in Mexico.

WryTrvllr on February 6, 2013 at 10:14 AM

WTF are you talking about? Mexicans come here for money so they can send it back home. USD = United States Dollar. They want the “freedom” to break our immigration laws so they can leech off of our wealthy economy without any of the actual responsibility that comes with citizenship. Or would you care to argue otherwise?

gryphon202 on February 6, 2013 at 10:18 AM

Guess it sucks being you.

WryTrvllr on February 6, 2013 at 10:14 AM

Then, you would guess wrong, Skippy. Try again, putz.

kingsjester on February 6, 2013 at 10:18 AM

MelonCollie on February 6, 2013 at 10:15 AM

Moron. I’m Dego(sp?), Harp, and Pollac (?). There all relatively new and should leave too right?

WryTrvllr on February 6, 2013 at 10:18 AM

Really? Well then if you’re so versed why don’t you tell us about the political systems in Mexico, and South America. I mean, if the only thing keeping them from being conservative here is us racist, then I’m assuming they’re majority conservative in Mexico and South America aren’t they? So what kind of political party does well south of the border?

DFCtomm on February 6, 2013 at 10:17 AM

The same kind you are enabling here, in case you haven’t noticed.

WryTrvllr on February 6, 2013 at 10:19 AM

~20 million more union stooges. What’s not to like.

Mr. Arrogant on February 6, 2013 at 10:19 AM

But I will leave (for now). Like I said, strange hill to die on.

WryTrvllr on February 6, 2013 at 10:20 AM

Moron. I’m Dego(sp?), Harp, and Pollac (?). There all relatively new and should leave too right?

WryTrvllr on February 6, 2013 at 10:18 AM

Calling someone a moron, and then, flunking spelling,is not very impressive.

kingsjester on February 6, 2013 at 10:20 AM

This irritates me to no end. I can’t have a rational debate with someone else based on a faulty/false premise. The faulty premise here is that we have some kind of obligation, moral, ethical, or legal, to give immigrants what they want. We are under no such obligation at any time or for any reason. If you have anything less than full citizenship, you can be asked to leave at any time and for any reason. It’s called “sovereignty,” and it’s a concept that Barack Obama and his cronies, acolytes, and worshipers would just as soon see disappear.

gryphon202 on February 6, 2013 at 10:21 AM

But I will leave (for now). Like I said, strange hill to die on.

WryTrvllr on February 6, 2013 at 10:20 AM

Cute. Comes on. Antagonizes Conservatives. Then, runs like a scalded dog.

How very intellectual of you.

kingsjester on February 6, 2013 at 10:21 AM

But I will leave (for now). Like I said, strange hill to die on.

WryTrvllr on February 6, 2013 at 10:20 AM

Strange hill to die on = enforce the current laws as written.

Says more about you than it says about us, Butch.

gryphon202 on February 6, 2013 at 10:22 AM

The same kind you are enabling here, in case you haven’t noticed.

WryTrvllr on February 6, 2013 at 10:19 AM

So they vote lefty in their home countries? What evidence do you have that they would ever be conservative other than they have big families. Oh, they had big families in communist China before the government stepped in, and now they are facing the worst demographic cliff in human history. Yay, central planning.

DFCtomm on February 6, 2013 at 10:24 AM

The solution is neither deportation nor path to citizenship… It is impossible to deport or self deport millions of illegal immigrants, the logistics to do so are impossible… The solution is to give them working visas that can be renewed every 5 years with a fee but most importantly with NO PATH TO CITIZENSHIP… That is the least price the illegal immigrants should pay for breaking the immigration laws… Now when they are on the work visa they can never be able to use any welfare program, social secuirty, medicare, or medicaid… Also they should not be paying social security or medicare tax as they shall not benefit from the programs…

mnjg on February 6, 2013 at 10:25 AM

food for thought:

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/10/25/mexican-village-turns-vigilante-to-fight-drug-cartel/

now seriously, I’ve got real work to do.

WryTrvllr on February 6, 2013 at 10:26 AM

@WryTrvllr: You’re still implying that America’s future prosperity is properly contingent on the convenience of a foreign power with an historic grudge against us. You don’t think that’s a risky proposition?

Seth Halpern on February 6, 2013 at 10:27 AM

food for thought:

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/10/25/mexican-village-turns-vigilante-to-fight-drug-cartel/

now seriously, I’ve got real work to do.

WryTrvllr on February 6, 2013 at 10:26 AM

Okay. And…? Enforce the laws.

gryphon202 on February 6, 2013 at 10:28 AM

They SHOULD have been easy pickings for the republican party. Most of the one’s I see are willing to work hard. Until the hit America, they usually have a strong nuclear family ethic. You had to work HARD to push them towards the democrats.

Kudos to you.

WryTrvllr on February 6, 2013 at 10:11 AM

You are delusional… Most illegal immigrants coming from Latin America and from Mexico in particular (where most of them are coming from) will vote democrat if they become citizens… In fact the illegal immigrants from Mexico abuse the welfare system as much as the parasite class of our citizenry…

mnjg on February 6, 2013 at 10:28 AM

The solution is neither deportation nor path to citizenship… It is impossible to deport or self deport millions of illegal immigrants, the logistics to do so are impossible… The solution is to give them working visas that can be renewed every 5 years with a fee but most importantly with NO PATH TO CITIZENSHIP… That is the least price the illegal immigrants should pay for breaking the immigration laws… Now when they are on the work visa they can never be able to use any welfare program, social secuirty, medicare, or medicaid… Also they should not be paying social security or medicare tax as they shall not benefit from the programs…

mnjg on February 6, 2013 at 10:25 AM

Where do these guys come from. Millions have been deported in the past, so it can certainly be done. We don’t have the will to do it, but it is possible.

DFCtomm on February 6, 2013 at 10:28 AM

The solution is neither deportation nor path to citizenship… It is impossible to deport or self deport millions of illegal immigrants, the logistics to do so are impossible… The solution is to give them working visas that can be renewed every 5 years with a fee but most importantly with NO PATH TO CITIZENSHIP… That is the least price the illegal immigrants should pay for breaking the immigration laws… Now when they are on the work visa they can never be able to use any welfare program, social secuirty, medicare, or medicaid… Also they should not be paying social security or medicare tax as they shall not benefit from the programs…

mnjg on February 6, 2013 at 10:25 AM

Once again, bullshit. It doesn’t matter what is “logistically practical.” You catch someone here illegally, you deport them. Period. End-of-story. FULL STOP. Just because we can’t arrest and imprison all drug pushers doesn’t mean that we just give up on enforcing drug laws. Such it is with immigration. Enforce the laws on the books; we don’t need to change a damn thing except doing what the law already tells us we need to be doing.

gryphon202 on February 6, 2013 at 10:30 AM

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