Milloy: Gun control push aiming at the wrong problems

posted at 8:01 am on February 6, 2013 by Ed Morrissey

And, for that matter, at the wrong weapons, too.  Washington Post columnist Courtland Milloy has already weighed in once on the necessity of the Second Amendment in recent American history in defense of civil rights.  Yesterday, Milloy related an epiphany he had at a gun range after firing a few rounds through the much-maligned AR-15 when he compared the output to the shotgun Obama used last August in a picture released by the White House over the weekend:

The more I fired the AR-15, the harder it was to pretend that any gun was somehow more dangerous than the person holding it. …

I don’t particularly like the AR-15, although it is one of the most popular rifles in the country. Three million have been sold, according to an NRA researcher. But to define it as an assault rifle because of how it looks — with a pistol grip, adjustable stock, flash suppressor and “high capacity” magazine — is silly.

You want to see a dangerous-looking gun, look at the one President Obama was photographed skeet shooting with at Camp David last summer. That shotgun of his was big enough to take down a woolly mammoth. When I pulled the trigger on the AR-15, one high-powered round came out. Maybe I hit something; maybe I didn’t. Obama can’t miss. He could clear a room with one double-barreled blast.

Why ban one and not the other? And once you start banning semiautomatics, where do you stop?

Good question.  Here’s a better one: Does anyone really think that gun-control advocates plan to stop?  The previous “assault weapon” ban didn’t do anything to reduce mass shootings or crime.  The number of gun victims have actually dropped in each of the past five years for which we have data (2007-2011 inclusive), and the number of homicide victims from all rifles is about 3% of all homicide victims.  If one wanted to pursue a useless gun policy, the ban of selected semiautomatic rifles is right in that vacuous wheelhouse.

Milloy argues that we should be addressing the real causes of violence — not the weapons, but the perpetrators.  Unfortunately, that’s where he goes a bit off the rails:

If gun control advocates were truly serious and not just well meaning, they’d be focusing a lot more on education and mental health. For instance, everybody knows that our children are being adversely affected by violent video games. So why aren’t schools deconstructing video games as part of the curriculum, explaining to students how the military uses these same war games to condition troops to kill without remorse?

Show students, frame by frame, how they are being gamed by the gamers and how profits are made by making them mentally ill.

That’s an absurd statement.  Millions of people play these games without making themselves “mentally ill.”  Does it help contribute to a culture where life is devalued?  I’d say yes, but let’s not make the bogus argument that playing these games produces mental illness.

The kind of deconstructive education Milloy suggests is a very good idea, and it applies to all cultural pressures, especially entertainment.  But that’s not the job of schools, which should be focused on teaching reading, science, history, and language.  That’s the job of parents and faith organizations, and it takes families that are intact, strong, and clear-minded about those influences to do the job.  It would help if government built up that family structure and parental authority rather than undermined it.  If that happened, we might not have as much of an issue with gun crime at all.


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nonpartisan proves what I have been saying all my life, being college graduate does not prove that you are smart.

1sttofight on May 18, 2013 at 10:58 AM

I agree. My son, who had staunch conservative views all through high school, has developed liberal tendencies since graduating from college. He recently moved to Seattle, and regularly points out with pride that Seattle is the “2nd most educated city in the US.”

I have to keep reminding him that education does not automatically confer wisdom upon the recipient.

LooseCannon on May 18, 2013 at 11:40 AM

O’bama actually lost the college graduate vote in 2012.

Del Dolemonte on May 18, 2013 at 4:43 PM

sorry I’m not a Democrat.

partisan on May 18, 2013 at 4:23 PM

Fixed.

Del Dolemonte on May 18, 2013 at 4:44 PM

ohmygod, I should die because I didn’t know what skeet shooting was

sorry I’m not a bumblehick

nonpartisan on May 18, 2013 at 4:23 PM

You’re not being mocked (and not asked to die, btw) because you don’t know what skeet shooting is. You’re being mocked because you didn’t know what skeet shooting is and proceeded to make an ass of yourself anyway.

IOW, you are proud of your ignorance.

Tomblvd on May 18, 2013 at 4:46 PM

ohmygod, I should die because I didn’t know what skeet shooting was

sorry I’m not a bumblehick

nonpartisan on May 18, 2013 at 4:23 PM

You sure posted like you knew, Cliff Clavin.

If your mother had of taken it on the chin that night you wouldn’t be here to torture us with your silliness.

arnold ziffel on May 18, 2013 at 5:13 PM

Nonpartisan’s last post was at 9:10 this morning until “it” posted again at 4:23, and yet “it” was responded to all day.

Come on people, giving her too much attention.

Barred on May 18, 2013 at 5:27 PM

You sure posted like you knew, Cliff Clavin.

arnold ziffel on May 18, 2013 at 5:13 PM

really? REALLY?

cuz I wrote this

from my understanding, a skeet gun would lack killing power as its not built to kill

now, if you’re familiar with English context, you’d realize that the phrase ‘from my understanding’ leaves room for the speaker to be wrong and is explicitly stating that it is not a fact

nonpartisan on May 18, 2013 at 5:28 PM

now, if you’re familiar with English context, you’d realize that the phrase ‘from my understanding’ leaves room for the speaker to be wrong and is explicitly stating that it is not a fact

nonpartisan on May 18, 2013 at 5:28 PM

Me no familar mit de Englis. Butt could you tell me Harvard story more again?

arnold ziffel on May 18, 2013 at 5:44 PM

sorry I’m not a bumblehick

nonpartisan on May 18, 2013 at 4:23 PM

I’m pretty sure that most skeet shooters are in a enviable economic bracket.

Cindy Munford on May 18, 2013 at 5:48 PM

Me no familar mit de Englis. Butt could you tell me Harvard story more again?

arnold ziffel on May 18, 2013 at 5:44 PM

there’s no story. Went to Harvard Law, got my JD, didn’t take the bar, never practiced. end of story.

nonpartisan on May 18, 2013 at 5:49 PM

ohmygod, I should die because I didn’t know what skeet shooting was

sorry I’m not a bumblehick

nonpartisan on May 18, 2013 at 4:23 PM

Yes, because only a “bumblehick” could have cursory knowledge of firearms or shooting sports.

Maybe you should stop listening to the mentally-edfective old fool Obunghole picked as his VP and STFU about things you know nothing about. Imbecile.

Walter Sobchak on May 18, 2013 at 6:01 PM

are you not aware of the heat of the moment issues

if a rapist rapes a woman and then leaves, and the woman grabs a gun and goes after him and then shoots him, she can be convicted of murder and self-defense would no longer apply

nonpartisaned on May 18, 2013 at 4:23 PM

Please go read the Texas law. My goodness you’re dense.

ohmygod, I should die because I didn’t know what skeet shooting was

sorry I’m not a bumblehick

nonpartisaned on May 18, 2013 at 4:23 PM

Google doesn’t even know what the f uck you’re saying . Do you?

now, if you’re familiar with English context, you’d realize that the phrase ‘from my understanding’ leaves room for the speaker to be wrong and is explicitly stating that it is not a fact

nonpartisaned on May 18, 2013 at 5:28 PM

From my understanding the ground does not get wet when it rains. From my understanding 1+2=4. From my understanding Texas is north of Minnesota.

Using such words does not excuse you from your idiocy.

CW on May 18, 2013 at 6:02 PM

there’s no story. Went to Harvard Law, got my JD, didn’t take the bar, never practiced. end of story.

nonpartisan on May 18, 2013 at 5:49 PM

You never took the bar because you don’t know sh!t about the law and never could have passed, and you never practiced because nobody would hire you to represent them in traffic court.

Walter Sobchak on May 18, 2013 at 6:03 PM

Went to Harvard Law,
nonpartisan on May 18, 2013 at 5:49 PM

Harvard politely asks that you cease and desist with your lie. Something about sullying their brand.

CW on May 18, 2013 at 6:05 PM

there’s no story. Went to Harvard Law, got my JD, didn’t take the bar, never practiced. end of story.

nonpartisan on May 18, 2013 at 5:49 PM

A. Why did you waste your parents’ money on a Harvard Law degree if you weren’t going to take the bar or practice law?

B. You don’t even understand simple legal concepts like the parameters of self-defense. Nobody believes your story about being a law grad from *any* school, T14 or not.

Good Solid B-Plus on May 18, 2013 at 6:05 PM

*any* school

Good Solid B-Plus on May 18, 2013 at 6:05 PM

High school is in doubt.

CW on May 18, 2013 at 6:07 PM

ohmygod, I should die because I didn’t know what skeet shooting was

sorry I’m not a bumblehick

nonpartisan on May 18, 2013 at 4:23 PM

In unrelated news: White House posts photographic evidence that Obama is a bumblehick.

The Schaef on May 18, 2013 at 6:13 PM

ohmygod, I should die because I didn’t know what skeet shooting was

sorry I’m not a bumblehick

nonpartisan on May 18, 2013 at 4:23 PM

If you had even the remotest notion of your own stupidity, you’d die of embarrassment.

Wendya on May 18, 2013 at 6:14 PM

now, if you’re familiar with English context, you’d realize that the phrase ‘from my understanding’ leaves room for the speaker to be wrong and is explicitly stating that it is not a fact

nonpartisan on May 18, 2013 at 5:28 PM

What it demonstrates is that you don’t know what you are talking about and, more importantly, too lazy to spend a minute or two on google to educate yourself before making an ass of yourself.

I also find it highly enlightening that the only response you have to any post is one that has nothing to do with your alleged specialty, law.

Why are you afraid to answer all the legal questions?

Tomblvd on May 18, 2013 at 6:18 PM

White House posts photographic evidence that Obama is a bumblehick.

The Schaef on May 18, 2013 at 6:13 PM

Unicorn? Homosexual? Man? Black man?

CW on May 18, 2013 at 6:19 PM

If you had even the remotest notion of your own stupidity, you’d die of embarrassment.

Wendya on May 18, 2013 at 6:14 PM

That was a twofer. nonpartisaned is the gift that keeps on giving.

CW on May 18, 2013 at 6:21 PM

why does everyone feed the troll ……
yeah I made a comment too … but enough is enough ….
we should ignore it … maybe it will go away …
at the very least the level of comments will go up.

conservative tarheel on May 18, 2013 at 6:27 PM

why does everyone feed the troll ……
yeah I made a comment too …

CW on May 18, 2013 at 6:28 PM

1 perp was wounded, the other two got away.

Too bad it wasn’t a 3 body bag night.

The best way to lower the crime rate is exterminate those committing the crimes.

leereyno on May 18, 2013 at 6:29 PM

why does everyone feed the troll ……
yeah I made a comment too … but enough is enough ….
we should ignore it … maybe it will go away …
at the very least the level of comments will go up.

conservative tarheel on May 18, 2013 at 6:27 PM

Guilty as charged. Asking a lot there mr. tarheel. You want quantity or quality? ;)

arnold ziffel on May 18, 2013 at 6:42 PM

While we are on the subject of guns did you know Bill Maher owns two?

Wigglesworth on May 18, 2013 at 6:44 PM

nonpartisan,

Never took the bar? Oh Lordy, did you break your mama’s heart? I can’t imagine investing all the time and money and not taking the bar. Even if you had become disillusioned with law and decided never to practice, didn’t you want the satisfaction of knowing you could have?

Or maybe your ego is healthier than most and doesn’t need that kind of validation. I just find it astonishing!

Nana on May 18, 2013 at 6:45 PM

I find it astonishing that the Troll can spell “law”.

kingsjester on May 18, 2013 at 6:46 PM

While we are on the subject of guns did you know Bill Maher owns two?

Wigglesworth on May 18, 2013 at 6:44 PM

Mahrer: “Twelve home invasions in my neighborhood in the past year.” Really Bill, Is your neighborhood all of Los Angeles County?

arnold ziffel on May 18, 2013 at 6:49 PM

Guilty as charged. Asking a lot there mr. tarheel. You want quantity or quality? ;)

arnold ziffel on May 18, 2013 at 6:42 PM

I will take quality … however the owners of the blog probably want quantity
because of ad revenue ….

conservative tarheel on May 18, 2013 at 6:50 PM

I find it astonishing that the Troll can spell “law”.

kingsjester on May 18, 2013 at 6:46 PM

LOL

conservative tarheel on May 18, 2013 at 6:51 PM

it doesn’t state who fired first though, if the homeowner fired first, the burglar could technically claim self-defense for return fire.

nonpartisan on May 18, 2013 at 8:52 AM

Irrelevant. They already had shown that they were armed. This no longer becomes “burglary” as you quaintly put it. This just ONE of the crimes they committed.

They were armed. They threatened. The homeowner believed that the home invaders (not just burglars) had means and were a clear and present danger. Justified in any reasonable person’s mind.

But then, Liberals aren’t reasonable. We know that based on the past few years as we’ve attempted to engage them. They spout, insult and run away.

ProfShadow on May 18, 2013 at 7:02 PM

there’s no story. Went to Harvard Law, got my JD, didn’t take the bar, never practiced. end of story.

nonpartisan on May 18, 2013 at 5:49 PM

Hey guys, be nice! You are arguing with Obambutt’s replacement for Holder as the next AG. He/she/it is perfectly qualified for the position, based on the qualifications of Obambutt and HOLDER. NP has the same qualifications as Obambutt. NP would probably be a great improvement.

Old Country Boy on May 18, 2013 at 7:06 PM

ohmygod, I should die because I didn’t know what skeet shooting was

sorry I’m not a bumblehick

nonpartisan on May 18, 2013 at 4:23 PM

You’re sorry you’re not a small town in Pennsylvania?

http://www.ejpix.com/photos/location-details.php?location_id=13918862&location=bumblehick-pennsylvania&lat=40.98734&long=-75.13883

OK, fair enough. I’ve always been sort of put out that I’m not Cape Canaveral, FL.

clear ether

eon

eon on May 18, 2013 at 8:10 PM

Stupid. The burglar could make no such ‘technical’ argument.

If a woman is being raped and grabs a brick and hits her rapist over the head, is he innocent of murder if he strangles her in response?

You’ve never sat a single minute in a law class in your life.

Resist We Much on May 18, 2013 at 2:25 PM

are you not aware of the heat of the moment issues

if a rapist rapes a woman and then leaves, and the woman grabs a gun and goes after him and then shoots him, she can be convicted of murder and self-defense would no longer apply

nonpartisan on May 18, 2013 at 4:23 PM

Are you incapable of understanding the hypothetical that I posed or do you think changing the subject will absolve you of your ignorance?

Read my hypothetical again, idjit.

Resist We Much on May 18, 2013 at 8:34 PM

I’m sorry to feed the troll, but I got here late. Must I suffer because I’m old?

Went to Harvard Law, got my JD, didn’t take the bar, never practiced. end of story.

nonpartisan on May 18, 2013 at 5:49 PM

You spent a hundred thousand dollars for nothing? Are you one of the “top one-percent”? Or did you “borrow” the money? If so, are you planning on trying to pay it back?

I doubt it. You sound like the classic lib, who is taught that the world will rape you and only GovernmentMan can save you.

I have the feeling you get your learned helplessness from hippy parents.
Or maybe just cold, unfeeling parents. I don’t know which, but a healthy dose of testosterone would do you wonders. Call and see if Obamacare will cover any problems men have (assuming that word applies to you.)

Squiggy on May 18, 2013 at 8:35 PM

OK folkz stand back, I’ve had a stiff martini and am preparing another…I believe I am Nonpartisan’s intellectual equal, let me at him/her/it…..

JFKY on May 18, 2013 at 8:52 PM

It would be interesting to know what Nonpartisan’s undergraduate degree was. Womyn’s studies? Black Studies? Organizing fluff? Of course, like that of her mentor and hero Obambutt, it is not really any of our business. We already know that Nonpartisan is more qualified than Obamabutt and Holder.

Old Country Boy on May 18, 2013 at 9:04 PM

My God. You truly are an ignorant half-wit.
soundingboard on May 18, 2013 at 4:18 PM

ohmygod, I should die because I didn’t know what skeet shooting was
sorry I’m not a bumblehick
nonpartisan on May 18, 2013 at 4:23 PM

What was going on in your mind when you thought that a gun, an inanimate object, could distinguish whether one was shooting skeet or something else? Serious question.

anuts on May 18, 2013 at 9:06 PM

Urban Dictionary:

bumblehick isn’t defined yet.

CW on May 18, 2013 at 9:24 PM

I attended Harvard, passed all the classes but did not get my degree…and the Harvard Definition of “Bumblehick” is:
A Mouf-breathin’, sister-lovin’ Gun-fondlin’ Christianist G*D-bag….

Now most of you hayseed hickz haven’t been to Harvard so it’s understandable that our hi-falutin’ language may be a bit puzzling. It’s just best you leave the hard thin’in to us Harvard boyz/girlz, ‘Kay?

JFKY on May 18, 2013 at 9:32 PM

OK folkz stand back, I’ve had a stiff martini and am preparing another…I believe I am Nonpartisan’s intellectual equal, let me at him/her/it…..

JFKY on May 18, 2013 at 8:52 PM

You need to bang your head repeatedly against a brick wall to be his intellectual equal.

Kingfisher on May 18, 2013 at 9:34 PM

Squiggy on May 18, 2013 at 8:35 PM

Well said, sir. I wonder how many children he could have fed with the money that was used to get his education…that…he…admits…he’ll…never…use.

Kingfisher on May 18, 2013 at 9:38 PM

My guess is that nonpartisan obtained his/her/its degrees by sleeping with the professors.

Kingfisher on May 18, 2013 at 9:40 PM

Why we even need a castle doctrine law is beyond me. Proof we have sunk far into the abyss.

JellyToast on May 18, 2013 at 9:42 PM

You need to bang your head repeatedly against a brick wall to be his intellectual equal.

Kingfisher on May 18, 2013 at 9:34 PM

Dood/Doodette that’s what the ~150cc of Vodka was supposed to do….

I don’t know what Vermouth does to a person but I can attest to 147cc of Vodka.

JFKY on May 18, 2013 at 9:50 PM

Why we even need a castle doctrine law is beyond me. Proof we have sunk far into the abyss.

JellyToast on May 18, 2013 at 9:42 PM

Really drunken sinner that I am, I still see the need for society to provide legal limits to the use of force by citizens, or agents of the State, for that matter.

Sure locked in my closet I can use a firearm, but not locked in my closet, someone around my garage, may I shoot..chasing them down the street?

Legal doctrines are good, they provide guidelines for action.

JFKY on May 18, 2013 at 9:52 PM

Even if you wanted to fire up a debate about when and where it’s justified for a law abiding gun owner to open fire on a bad guy

That would be the very moment that I feel either I or someone on my my property (family, friends, guests, whatever) is threatened.

Othniel on May 19, 2013 at 12:02 AM

a burglar could be a father who is unemployed and at his wits end at finding options to provide for his starving family. Not every burglar is a violent, armed psychotic rapist.

nonpartisan on May 18, 2013 at 9:01 AM

.
That is sooo reminiscent of the sorry-assed song lyrics at the beginning of the movie ‘Aladdin‘.

Got to eat to live ….. got to steal to eat …..

.
If a desperate “father who is unemployed and at his wits end at finding options to provide for his starving family” … can’t find valid handouts in this country, he’s not looking hard enough.

If a desperate “father who is unemployed and at his wits end at finding options to provide for his starving family” … is too proud to ask for valid handouts, … and NOT too proud to steal … then he’s unworthy of his family, and his own very existence.
.
Let’s have a reply to that … libfree’

listens2glenn on May 19, 2013 at 12:39 AM

If a desperate “father who is unemployed and at his wits end at finding options to provide for his starving family” … can’t find valid handouts in this country, he’s not looking hard enough.

If a desperate “father who is unemployed and at his wits end at finding options to provide for his starving family” … is too proud to ask for valid handouts, … and NOT too proud to steal … then he’s unworthy of his family, and his own very existence.
.
Let’s have a reply to that … libfree’

listens2glenn on May 19, 2013 at 12:39 AM

.
…… Or nonpartisan, or any other “lib-troll” who believes they’re equal to the intellectual challenge.

listens2glenn on May 19, 2013 at 12:46 AM

This is the funniest story I read all week!

By the way trolls, keep it up with the stupid comments … hilarious!
I love the one about how a man, with children no less, needs to burglarize a house using a gun. Brilliant!
Has it ever occur to them that burglars that carry guns are armed robbers by definition?
Perhaps the burglars should take classes at Harvard to learn how to be a dumber class of criminals “desperate men with families to feed”?

kregg on May 19, 2013 at 6:42 AM

it doesn’t state who fired first though, if the homeowner fired first, the burglar could technically claim self-defense for return fire.

nonpartisan on May 18, 2013 at 8:52 AM

Check this out, BC. If an armed person is in your home and you are both wielding some fire arm, there is no requirement to allow them, first shot. There are no Marquess of Queensberry rules that apply to gunfire exchanges. More often than not, he or she who fires first, wins.

I do not believe you went to any law school, let alone Harvard Law. As someone above stated, it just doesn’t make sense to spend that kind if money and then abandon the career.

smoothsailing on May 19, 2013 at 7:04 AM

I’m pretty sure that most skeet shooters are in a enviable economic bracket.

Cindy Munford on May 18, 2013 at 5:48 PM

Well Cindy, we learned a new word today. “Bumblehicks” = Landed European Aristocracy.

Huh …?

Jaibones on May 19, 2013 at 7:07 AM

ohmygod, I should die because I didn’t know what skeet shooting was

sorry I’m not a bumblehick

nonpartisan on May 18, 2013 at 4:23 PM

Over dramatize and stereotype much?

You should learn to have at least a passing knowledge of the subject you’re commenting on if you don’t want to come across as an ignorant half-wit.

But that task requires an application of reason and logic. Not a knee-jerk emotional reaction.

soundingboard on May 19, 2013 at 10:02 AM

there’s no story. Went to Harvard Law, got my JD, didn’t take the bar, never practiced. end of story.

nonpartisan on May 18, 2013 at 5:49 PM

Is that you, Barak?

No wonder you don’t know what’s going on in your own administration …spending too much time on HotAir…

Of course, that is irrelevant…

ProfShadow on May 19, 2013 at 12:31 PM

there, fixed it….

May 19, 2013 12:00 PM Central Time….

APACHEWHOKNOWS on May 19, 2013 at 1:01 PM

nonparts gets paid for derailing threads, it gets same pay as the lawn illegals at the big homes of the google bosses….

and it votes as told too

APACHEWHOKNOWS on May 19, 2013 at 1:05 PM

there’s no story. Went to Harvard Law, got my JD, didn’t take the bar, never practiced. end of story.

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The War Planner on May 19, 2013 at 2:44 PM

it doesn’t state who fired first though, if the homeowner fired first, the burglar could technically claim self-defense for return fire.

nonpartisan on May 18, 2013 at 8:52 AM

The invaders had already committed assault by this time. Battery is physical contact, assault is the threat of violence. The homeowner, threatened at gunpoint, forced into a closet… had already been assaulted, even if they didn’t physically touch or fire at him. Being assaulted, in his home, by invaders, qualifies for lethal resistance.

And if your assertion was viable, law enforcement would be rendered completely incapable of responding to any form of robbery or violence since the criminals could always claim assault by officers responding with force or even capturing them. The burden of the law starts with those instigating the conflict, assuming that the responders do not respond with a wildly different level of response. Since these invaders had firearms, firearms would be an appropriate level of response.

Do you know what you just taught me on this thread?

…that a single “101 Introduction to Law” class taken by a Computer Science major at a public college in Ohio is more valuable than a law degree from Harvard. Thank you… You made my day!

dominigan on May 19, 2013 at 6:28 PM

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