Scarborough: Drone strike memo “frightening”

posted at 12:41 pm on February 5, 2013 by Ed Morrissey

Worth watching in its entirety, as Joe Scarborough pings the consequences of the drone-strike memo back and forth with Michael Isikoff, but the best reactions take place near the beginning of the video. Isikoff points out that the restrictive language in the memo is almost meaningless, and that it shifts the burden of proof to the target rather than the government. Scarborough calls this “frightening,” and argues that it far surpasses anything done by the Bush administration in the war on terror:

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Ryu Spaeth makes the same point for The Week:

“If George Bush had done this, it would have been stopped.” That’s how MSNBC host Joe Scarborough characterized a Justice Department memo obtained by NBC News that outlines the Obama administration’s legal rationale for killing American citizens suspected of helping al Qaeda prepare a terrorist attack on the United States. Critics say the 16-page document gives President Obama essentially unlimited powers to target U.S. citizens without trial, raising a host of ethical and constitutional questions about the administration’s heavy reliance on drone missile attacks to enfeeble the terrorist network.

What criteria does the government need to meet to justify an attack on an American member of al Qaeda? According to the memo, an “informed, high-level official” within the government must determine that: 1) the individual in question poses “an imminent threat of violence attack against the United States”; 2) capture of the individual is “infeasible”; and 3) the attack is “conducted in a manner consistent with” the laws of war.

Upon even a cursory examination, however, these constraints are virtually meaningless. The government is not required to “have clear evidence that a specific attack on U.S. persons will take place in the immediate future.” Furthermore, the feasibility of capture can be determined by several factors, including if it would simply be too risky for U.S. personnel to conduct a capture operation, or if a capture operation would imperil a “relevant window of opportunity.” There are miles of space to maneuver within the so-called constraints.

Harold Koh was one who complained very publicly about the Bush-era interrogation justifications, and was rewarded with a key position in the Obama administration.  Spaeth points out that Koh has been one of the architects of this drone policy:

In 2010, Harold Koh — then the legal adviser of the State Department, and a fierce critic of the Bush administration’s terrorist policies — was the first Obama official to publicly lay out the broad legal justifications for drone strikes. Attorney General Eric Holder last year said the Constitution’s guarantee of due process does not necessarily entail a “judicial process” in situations in which national security is at stake. The hope in some quarters is that a more watertight legal framework will emerge, narrowing the use of drones to highly specific situations.

So far though, the Obama administration hasn’t produced that plan. Indeed, the administration hasn’t voluntarily offered up anything to the public that would shed light on its decisions.

Meet the new boss … worse than the old boss.


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Sounds like their M.O. You go against the wishes or beliefs of this administration, and they will use the full power of the federal government(legally or illegally) to destroy you or if you’re lucky merely to make your life a living hell.

Doughboy on May 16, 2013 at 1:59 PM

Because “I won”

GWB on May 16, 2013 at 3:07 PM

Irony continues. Now Obama wants a federal press shield las.

Idiot, they are protected by the 1st. YOU are the ‘constitutional scholar’, you moron on display.

The presser today was a display in obfuscation and idiocy. It’s a shame that any world leader will stand next and get dirtied by these amoral goofs.

Schadenfreude on May 16, 2013 at 2:07 PM

Smoke and mirrors.

antisocial on May 16, 2013 at 3:09 PM

The State Run Media will still love him in morning…

d1carter on May 16, 2013 at 3:12 PM

NASA – National Advancement of Sharia Administration.

hawkeye54 on May 16, 2013 at 2:54 PM

US Department of 57 States

burrata on May 16, 2013 at 3:13 PM

“I’ve been a prosecutor since 1976, and I have to say that this is among, if not the most serious – it’s in the top two or three – most serious leaks that I’ve ever seen,” Holder added. “It put the American people at risk. And that is not hyperbole.”

Well, it’s good to know that, in addition to Holder knowing next to nothing, the stuff he does know is totally wrong.

Dusty on May 16, 2013 at 3:23 PM

I recall all of the many leaks during the Bush years. Leaks that actually damaged national security on many occasions. Not to mention the dubious “leak” of Valery Plame by Armitage that was investigated by a special prosecutor.

I don’t recall on any of those occasions the media’s phone records being subpoenaed. I’m not saying it never happened, I just don’t recall ever hearing about it happening.

This seems like a fairly trivial leak in comparison (a leak about a victory that everyone knew was going to be announced by the WH anyway). In fact, this seems like the kind of routine leaking we see in DC all of the time.

So to claim this requires the subpoenaing of all the AP’s phone records defies credibility. The motive here is clear – to get the press back in line and show them who is boss.

You watch. There will never be any real investigation into who the leaker was and it will all be dropped – despite telling us how important it is to national security that this happen in the first place.

Monkeytoe on May 16, 2013 at 3:45 PM

Is the OSU you refer to Ohio State, Oklahoma State or Oregon State University?

chemman on May 16, 2013 at 2:35 PM

The Ohio State University

dominigan on May 16, 2013 at 4:02 PM

The answer is simple – The AP used a narrative that did not jive with Team SCOAMT’s assertions that Al Qaeda was dead along with Osama bin Laden. As for the delays, the delay in investigating was because Team SCOAMT needed the AP on board the Presstitute Organ Train until after the election, and the further delay in telling the AP it was being investigated is the Chitcago Way.

Steve Eggleston on May 16, 2013 at 4:07 PM

People need to make sure they word this right…

The big question is, would the AP have been investigated if they had given into the administration and had not published until 1 hour before the press conference.

ninjapirate on May 16, 2013 at 2:30 PM

Had they still called it an Al Qeada plot timed to “commemorate” bin Laden’s killing, you’re damn right they would have still been investigated.

Steve Eggleston on May 16, 2013 at 4:11 PM

Sheesh, I was saying yesterday that this looked like retaliation for not playing ball and sacrificing a scoop to Obama’s propaganda machine. That is the way Barry and Eric and David roll.

novaculus on May 16, 2013 at 4:12 PM

Speaking abut terrorism, did Hussein ask his phone-and-flotilla buddy the Turkish Cardigan what his ambassador was doing with our Stevens in Benghazi ? You know before muzies got all worked up over that youtube video ?????

burrata on May 16, 2013 at 2:33 PM

They were trading hummus recipes?

workingclass artist on May 16, 2013 at 4:15 PM

Speaking abut terrorism, did Hussein ask his phone-and-flotilla buddy the Turkish Cardigan what his ambassador was doing with our Stevens in Benghazi ? You know before muzies got all worked up over that youtube video ?????

burrata on May 16, 2013 at 2:33 PM

The timing is interesting… just a few hours before the attack was the meeting with the Turkish Minister.

Makes you wonder what he learned during that meeting.

A suspicious mind might almost start thinking that the entire ‘terrorist attack’ was a hit job: no follow-up to get the obvious terrorists at coffee houses months afterwards, no indictments from the lovely FBI, no reprisals against the group that did it. A very suspicious mind might just think that Amb. Stevens was set-up to be killed for what he knew that the Administration didn’t want getting out.

It is the Chicago Way, after all.

ajacksonian on May 16, 2013 at 4:23 PM

If all of that is about the AP not giving the WH its moment in the sun to brag… then they really are petty children.

Karmashock on May 16, 2013 at 4:24 PM

This is making my head spin.
If the lapdog media weren’t ready to bite the hand that feeds them yesterday, they ought to be livid today.
Is this as petty as it sounds or am I reading it wrong?

ORconservative on May 16, 2013 at 2:03 PM

Consider that perhaps the story about the leak of this al Qaeda plot justifying this seizure of phone records is a complete lie. It was a convenient justification that they thought no one would question.

It sounds bizarre, but it’s a very simple explanation, and given the mendacity of this administration it’s very believable.

So what were they really looking for with such a broad and deep seizure of records? What was going on in that period of time that the administration wanted so badly to know about?

slickwillie2001 on May 16, 2013 at 4:32 PM

Do we really want to buy the administration’s line that this was about national security and a foiled terror plot? They lied and lied and lied about Benghazi being sparked by a YouTube video, so why would they tell us the truth about this. Look deeper. What information were they really after?

bitsy on May 16, 2013 at 4:54 PM

Also, who was the “administration official” in the White House that couldn’t wait more than five whole minutes after the news broke for Team Obama to take credit, six months out from an election?

My vote is Valerie Jarrett. The AP & IRS scandals have her stench all over them.

MississippiMom on May 16, 2013 at 5:41 PM

Rep. Louie Gohmert on the AP scandal, finally someone has said what needs to be said:

When there is a tyrannical despot the media will be one of the early victims

Axion on May 16, 2013 at 5:44 PM

this press really is like a battered wife. they keep going back. currently they are running stories claiming an “angry 0bama fires head of IRS” when its been well known since last nite the guy was leaving next month anyway.

chasdal on May 16, 2013 at 5:45 PM

Does anybody believe a word that Eric Holder says..?

d1carter on May 16, 2013 at 6:29 PM

Wonder if the lsm is worried about what a real investigation would be like if they actually leaked a real serious top two in Holder’s view kinda leak? Since he doesn’t seem to spend a lot of time behind his desk, how would he know if there was a top two in his lifetime kinda leak that had been leaked anyways? Oh, yeah, he could find out by watching CNN.

Kissmygrits on May 16, 2013 at 6:42 PM

The AP was being the lap dogs by holding the story but they got too excited about the story and a victory for there master of a failed plot, that they peed on the lap.

tjexcite on May 16, 2013 at 6:45 PM

You mean like a tea party?

davidk on May 16, 2013 at 6:59 PM

A real one. I mean tens of millions of Americans saying ‘No more tax payments until you moor the country back to the Constitution, get rid of crony capitalism, prosecute the thugs and corrupt bureaucrats in government, get the boots of ABCs off of the necks of Americans and their businesses, stop rewarding failure and punishing success, etc. Not one more dime. Arrest ALL of us.’

Resist We Much on May 16, 2013 at 7:19 PM

Re “Arrest ALL of us”, maybe they’re one step ahead of you and that’s what the DHS holding pens and the billions of bullets are for.

It might be easier to convince thirty or forty million people to not fill out IRS Form OMBA in 2014.

slickwillie2001 on May 16, 2013 at 7:28 PM

Fifty thousand IRS thugs cannot enforce a law that one hundred million people simply refuse to obey….especially if that one hundred million have guns. Apologies to Gandhi or whoever first came up with that.

Oldnuke on May 16, 2013 at 7:36 PM

The AP was being the lap dogs by holding the story but they got too excited about the story and a victory for there master of a failed plot, that they peed on the lap.

tjexcite on May 16, 2013 at 6:45 PM

Lap dogs get eaten first in this Administration.

You don’t have to chase them.

ajacksonian on May 16, 2013 at 8:45 PM

So what were they really looking for with such a broad and deep seizure of records? What was going on in that period of time that the administration wanted so badly to know about?

slickwillie2001 on May 16, 2013 at 4:32 PM

I was wondering if I was too cynical when I think they really did not care so much about the leaker as they were interested in what conversations they were having with congress people? Glad to see I am not the only one.

KW64 on May 16, 2013 at 8:46 PM

We all know the National Security Card was played to cover the real reason they were tapping the AP. They wanted to know what the AP was investigating. Chavez might have died but his spirit lives on in the man we know as Obama.

James on May 16, 2013 at 9:19 PM

I’ve decided that from here on I will refer to the AG as Epic Hodor. He is one of the supporting characters in Obama’s #GameOfScandals.

CitizenEgg on May 17, 2013 at 7:00 AM

At the heart of all the emerging ‘scandals’ – IRS targeting specific groups, secret AP phone records, Benghazi cover-up, and who knows what else might come to light – is this:

Obama’s ambition, to win a second term presidency, not on his own merit. Just like his winning the first term, nothing he has done deserves ‘the prize’.

ALL of the scandals (so far) can be traced back to Obama himself.

Sir Napsalot on May 17, 2013 at 7:57 AM

Seeing those two twits pictured together, I can understand how some could go “racist”.

SpiderMike on May 18, 2013 at 11:26 AM

If I’m the AP, I have my interns call every number at State, Defense, Justice, and CIA twice a day from here on out to provide cover.

goatweed on May 19, 2013 at 9:15 AM

Or is that concealment? Can’t keep them straight.

goatweed on May 19, 2013 at 9:16 AM

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