Quotes of the day
posted at 10:01 pm on February 5, 2013 by Erika Johnsen
A confidential Justice Department memo concludes that the U.S. government can order the killing of American citizens if they are believed to be “senior operational leaders” of al-Qaida or “an associated force” — even if there is no intelligence indicating they are engaged in an active plot to attack the U.S.
The 16-page memo, a copy of which was obtained by NBC News, provides new details about the legal reasoning behind one of the Obama administration’s most secretive and controversial polices: its dramatically increased use of drone strikes against al-Qaida suspects abroad, including those aimed at American citizens, such as the September 2011 strike in Yemen that killed alleged al-Qaida operatives Anwar al-Awlaki and Samir Khan. Both were U.S. citizens who had never been indicted by the U.S. government nor charged with any crimes.
The secrecy surrounding such strikes is fast emerging as a central issue in this week’s hearing of White House counterterrorism adviser John Brennan, a key architect of the drone campaign, to be CIA director. Brennan was the first administration official to publicly acknowledge drone strikes in a speech last year, calling them “consistent with the inherent right of self-defense.” In a separate talk at the Northwestern University Law School in March, Attorney General Eric Holder specifically endorsed the constitutionality of targeted killings of Americans, saying they could be justified if government officials determine the target poses “an imminent threat of violent attack.”
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White House press secretary Jay Carney said that the Obama administration’s drone program was “legal,” “ethical” and “wise” during the daily press briefing today.
“The U.S. government takes great care in deciding to pursue an al-Qaida terrorist, to ensure precision, and to avoid loss of innocent life,” Carney said.
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Anyway, here is what the lawyers to the president’s lawyer say about the legality of killing Americans who are constituted as al Qaeda or al Qaeda-linked threats. (The memo makes it clear that its language does not apply to other instances where American citizens might be killed by their government.)
1. “An informed, high-level official” must determine that the person represents “an imminent threat” of “violent attack against the United States.”
2. Capturing the dude is “infeasible,” and the government will continue to assess whether capturing him is feasible.
3. The killing, or “lethal operation,” must be conducted according to the laws of war. …
So here’s what that means: Even if the person is not actively planning terrorist attacks against the U.S., because of the nature of terrorist attacks in general, merely his membership in an organization that is planning those attacks meets the requisite definition of imminence.
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What threshold of evidence, if any, must a high-ranking official meet to determine that someone is Al Qaeda? The burden is apparently less onerous than two witnesses testifying in open court, which the Constitution requires for a treason conviction. But the memo specifies neither an evidential threshold nor a protocol for meeting it. That is troubling.
But the part of the memo worth dwelling on most, at least until legal experts offer deeper analysis than I confidently can, is the portion that deals with “an imminent threat of violent attack.”
On reading the document, that clause is sort of reassuring. After all, there aren’t that many circumstances when an attack is imminent. It would seem to severely constrain extrajudicial assassinations.
As it turns out, however, the memo reassures the reader with the rhetorically powerful word “imminent,” only to define imminence down in a way that makes it largely meaningless — so much so that it’s actually reminiscent of George W. Bush’s misuse of imminent to characterize the threat posed by Iraq. It’s difficult to adequately emphasize how absurd this part of the document becomes. What does it mean, for you personally, when you hear that someone poses “an imminent threat of violent attack against the United States”? Do you have an answer in your head?
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What about their Fourth and Fifth Amendment Rights? Since the U.S. citizen in question is considered to have joined a force that is actively seeking to kill Americans, the Justice Department argues that it can kill that person and forgo his or her constitutional rights. Even though the government weighs the individual’s rights against the broader rights of a government to protect its citizens from attack, the paper concludes that “the realities of war” allows the government to use “necessary and appropriate” force to protect its citizens—even from one of their own.
Why can Obama order these attacks? As the commander in chief, U.S. officials argue that the president has the constitutional right to protect the country against an “imminent threat” from militant groups. Additionally, Congress passed the Authorization for Use of Military Force bill after the 9/11 attacks, and gave the president authority to use force against al-Qaida and other militant groups that target Americans. The white paper does not define “imminent,” however. …
Is there room for judicial review of these attacks? Not really. The Justice Department says “there exists no appropriate judicial forum to evaluate these constitutional considerations” with regard to intimate foreign policy matters. If the courts were to get involved with these matters, it could hinder the president’s ability to carry out military operations, the paper argues.
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“If you assess the threat of international terrorism to be the equivalent of war, then you’re in the ‘law of war’ paradigm. This is not like robbing the local 7-Eleven, where you resort to the law enforcement paradigm,” said Bolton, who added that Article II of the Constitution gives this power to the president in a time of war.
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What else is in the news today regarding the most transparent administration in history? A report documenting that 54 countries around the globe have played along with the CIA when it comes to torturing suspects in such a way that the U.S. can pretend it doesn’t do that sort of thing anymore.
There is a darkly comic aspect to this, I suppose: Here’s a president who once taught classes in constitutional law and swore up and down that America doesn’t torture, that he was against “dumb wars” waged by his predecessors, that he was more transparent than a glass of triple-filtered water, and who won a goddamned Nobel Peace Prize! And he turns out to be not just a little iffy when it comes to being constrained in his willingness to break all sorts of rules but downright godawful.
And his main mouthpiece is a former MSM drone whose babyface is quickly turning into a map of wrinkles brought on by working for an administration which has manifestly failed to live up to even the mediocre standards of the previous occupant of the White House.
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On the advice of the Horde, I took up George Orwell’s “Politics and the English Language.” This passage seems especially appropriate today:
“In our time, political speech and writing are largely the defense of the indefensible. Things like the continuance of British rule in India, the Russian purges and deportations, the dropping of the atom bombs on Japan, can indeed be defended, but only by arguments which are too brutal for most people to face, and which do not square with the professed aims of the political parties. Thus political language has to consist largely of euphemism, question-begging and sheer cloudy vagueness. Defenseless villages are bombarded from the air, the inhabitants driven out into the countryside, the cattle machine-gunned, the huts set on fire with incendiary bullets: this is called pacification. Millions of peasants are robbed of their farms and sent trudging along the roads with no more than they can carry: this is called transfer of population or rectification of frontiers. …”
I highly advise you to read the memo. The powers it claims are broad and, as Isikoff pointed out on Rachel Maddow’s show, actually contradict some of the administration’s public statements and enter into Orwell’s world of false language rendered to conceal an arguments “too brutal for most people to take.”
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“That is nowhere justifiable under the Constitution, nowhere justifiable under federal law,” Judge Andrew Napolitano argued on FOX News today. “In fact, federal law and the Constitution are to the opposite. Unless you are actually pulling a trigger or are in moments of pulling that trigger or dropping a bomb, the government has an obligation to do its best to arrest you and charge you with a crime and prosecute you before it can indiscriminately kill you.”
“This power used today against an unpopular target might be used in the future by another president against a person the president doesn’t like but as to whom there’s no moral justification for pursuing whatsoever,” Napolitano also said.
“This frivolous use of language by this administration and then claiming they have the right to use force to stop dead in their tracks the people who fit into these categories violates the principles of the Declaration of Independence and violates the supremacy of the Constitution which they’ve taken an oath to uphold,” he said.
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New meme: What would candidate obama do? WWCOD
If only (candidate) Obama knew!
aquaviva on May 22, 2013 at 2:43 PM
I feel so sorry for you Obama-azz-dwelleres.
Suffocate from what you’ve consumed, you traitors.
Schadenfreude on May 22, 2013 at 2:43 PM
Dwellers…it ain’t Beluga caviar…you’ve been consuming Obama’s shit. Suffocate from it, slowly and painfully.
I hope that Messrs. Ailes and Murdoch will fight for the 1st, with all their might, and the help of the ACLU and any decent leftist, hah.
Schadenfreude on May 22, 2013 at 2:45 PM
Schadenfreude on May 22, 2013 at 2:46 PM
Chuck “Frog” Todd discovers the scorpion.
Mr. D on May 22, 2013 at 2:46 PM
It’s just like the gun laws they want. A national registry prevents anyone from ever discussing in public whether or not they might have guns. You might have liberal (re: Communist) neighbors that would report you to the moral authorities…
Freakin’ USSA
kirkill on May 22, 2013 at 2:47 PM
Soviets would be proud.
goflyers on May 22, 2013 at 2:48 PM
At this point, can’t we just make Cuba the 58th state already?
kirkill on May 22, 2013 at 2:48 PM
Obviously, Todd and all those singing his same tune have lost all credibility. Worse, those on the Left are also traitors.
Love,
Obama’s Choirboys
Chris Matthews
Our trolls
Liam on May 22, 2013 at 2:48 PM
Hmmm but it is really satisfying to see them sweat too.
petunia on May 22, 2013 at 2:49 PM
Wow. They’ve gone too far even for Chuck Todd.
Can I get a Maddow?
Robert_Paulson on May 22, 2013 at 2:49 PM
Is this surprising? After all, it’s the Chicago Way.
Fred 2 on May 22, 2013 at 2:49 PM
The media I mean.
petunia on May 22, 2013 at 2:49 PM
Boo Hoo. Chuck Todd was right there with the effort to criminalize private gun ownership, in fact if not in name, via harassment of gun owners. Now all of a sudden I’m supposed to be outraged because his ox is getting gored.
It’s a serious thing, but I’m not buying the sudden respect for rights from most of these clowns.
JohnTant on May 22, 2013 at 2:50 PM
“Journalism is about covering important stories. With a pillow, until they stop moving.” – David Burge
kirkill on May 22, 2013 at 2:50 PM
Gad. And HAL’s book is Sal Alinsky’s Rules for Radicals too. Such a freakin’ idiot.
But true. I’m getting to the point that our only hope is that after the complete collapse of the United States, the sane people with all the guns can reinstall the Constitution and start over.
RESET!
kirkill on May 22, 2013 at 2:54 PM
In one way I cannot disagree – the U.S. media is probably comprised of many of the world’s most dishonest people. Many “journalists” lie on a level similar to Barack Obama or Marco Rubio. But, Obama only wants to criminalize those who don’t agree with him.
bw222 on May 22, 2013 at 2:54 PM
Let’s not forget that Chuck Todd’s wife (Christin Deny Todd) is a Democratic operative.
bw222 on May 22, 2013 at 2:55 PM
Big whoop. What are all these hyperventilating pearl-clutchers in the journalism field going to do about it? Nothing. They’re Obama’s kept b_tches and they know it.
Aitch748 on May 22, 2013 at 2:57 PM
May you journalists, aka lemmings, be the first useful idiots he jails.
txhsmom on May 22, 2013 at 2:57 PM
The only thing we have to fear is fear itself.
Be outraged. Use the law and a good portion of absolute moral authority to take this criminal enterprise down.
Dusty on May 22, 2013 at 2:59 PM
I don’t think Chuckie and his ilk will be turning in their Hope & Change autographed kneepads yet though…
Bruno Strozek on May 22, 2013 at 3:01 PM
Flashback:
Forward!
visions on May 22, 2013 at 3:02 PM
Did IRS guidelines say teaching the Constitution is a political act?
Kerry Brentwood – Michigan
Shulman is squirming again.
Oh jeez, Shulman admits he doesn’t know the constitution and can’t recite it or explain 1, 2 or 19th amendments. Brentwood asks if he knows what TEA stands for – taxed enough already – Shulman says he didn’t know.
Looking at the fools and idiots in positions of power the rest of the world must be ROTFLTFAO at us.
wyntre9 on May 22, 2013 at 3:05 PM
Obama not born in Kenya. Born in East Berlin.
kurtzz3 on May 22, 2013 at 3:05 PM
No, what’s funny is how you tongue bathers have allowed him to shift all over the place while you turn a blind eye to it. For your failure to do your “job”, you’ve allowed this to happen. If he’d have been held accountable early in his career by the press, as a politician, do you think he would’ve made it this far? With this type of behavior? C’mon Chuck, by saying “Candidate Obama” you’re basically saying that you guys have been witness to this guy changing his positions and had the utter luxury of unrestrained freedom of movement to adapt his position to the situation at hand.
What good are you, Chuck???? See Obama and see your failure, it’s that simple, homeboy.
ted c on May 22, 2013 at 3:08 PM
I hate to break this to you, but Candidate Obama and President Obama are one and the same person.
This means that he played you, Chuckie. He told you a bunch of pretty, pretty lies and you swallowed them all. Let that sink in.
Saltyron on May 22, 2013 at 3:09 PM
Not going to happen. It’s going to get worse before it can get better.
Fenris on May 22, 2013 at 3:09 PM
It appears to me like the administration doesn’t even care what anyone thinks about what they’ve been doing. If the president were really “outraged” don’t you think someone’s head would roll? Who is he afraid of? Holder? Because what they’re doing is downright cowardly.
scalleywag on May 22, 2013 at 3:10 PM
Should probably wait and see what the fallout from all this is before making a statement like that.
A lot of people are getting a taste of what ‘progressivism’ really means. I don’t think that’s going to work well for you guys.
rightmind on May 22, 2013 at 3:12 PM
A talking sock puppet that sleeps with the lowest form of prostitute. Willing to sell his soul and his kids for a few
peices of silver and a chance to fellate the kenyan.
acyl72 on May 22, 2013 at 3:13 PM
…our philosopher King?
This is why you have a parasitic criminal class near most college campuses and other concentrations of liberals.
Marks like tingles are the best, though. They never admit that they were mugged.
IlikedAUH2O on May 22, 2013 at 3:14 PM
So, F. Chuck Todd is a racist, along with Chris Matthews, for criticizing a Black President?
pjarhead on May 22, 2013 at 3:15 PM
Welcome to Chicago politics, F. Chuck Todd. These MSM reporters are truly fools.
Henry Bowman on May 22, 2013 at 3:16 PM
Lol!!! Chucky Todd. Starve!!! Bunch of damn fluffers.
Bmore on May 22, 2013 at 3:16 PM
Far as I’m concerned, these smug no-balz reporters can cry in their $10 lattes all week, while I laugh at them. Their liberalism and their precious Obama brought all this about, even though they were warned five years ago their candidate is a sleaze.
This is nothing. I think more have been spied on, including azz-kissers like Matthews. In any dictatorship, the biggest supporters are the ones most closely watched. There’s always a suspicion of heresy, and that has to be stamped out faster than any active opposition. Wait till Obamacare kicks in, too.
You reap what you sow. I hope their precious Obama gives them a bountiful harvest.
Liam on May 22, 2013 at 3:17 PM
scalleywag on May 22, 2013 at 3:10 PM
And why is it that they don’t care? Is it because they know nothing will happen to them? I have always thought the POS knows he’s untouchable and that’s probably because of the powers behind the throne.
wyntre9 on May 22, 2013 at 3:17 PM
Criminalize journalism?
Yes, chuck, journalism. It’s that profession that you haven’t been involved with over the last few years. Don’t worry, there’ll be plenty of jobs for leg humpers, tongue bathers and water carriers. Pays the same as you make right now, buddy.
ted c on May 22, 2013 at 3:20 PM
“Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.”
Well, I guess TECHNICALLY it doesn’t say the President can’t do any of these things. So there’s that.
UnderstandingisPower on May 22, 2013 at 3:21 PM
Lol!!! Chucky Todd. Starve!!! Bunch of damn fluffers.
Bmore on May 22, 2013 at 3:16 PM
Friend, pls. photoshop the 3 monkeys of oblivion: Holder Obama and Hillary.
Also, consider photoshopping the 3 stooges, same characters.
Schadenfreude on May 22, 2013 at 3:22 PM
Someone appropriately misspelled them “trools” this morning. I kind of like that.
oldroy on May 22, 2013 at 3:22 PM
Yeah Chuckie-boy, sark on it. Too bad you weren’t one of the realjournalists when F&F, Bengazi, HHS, OSHA, IRS, EPA, WiretAP scandals were breaking.
It was the folks like the ones here at HA doing the real grunt work.
Turtle317 on May 22, 2013 at 3:23 PM
Were all of the groups that got slammed by the IRS in total red states ?Did any of them have Democrat senators or Democrat congressmen?Were the Democrats in the group that doesn’t know anything or did they just go along with it?The MSM is dead in this country.The only media left is sites like this.
docflash on May 22, 2013 at 3:23 PM
I saw that, and like it, too. Kind of a cross between ‘trolls’ and ‘tools’.
Maybe that commenter coined a new term exclusive to HotAir. Might even catch on with other Conservative sites.
Liam on May 22, 2013 at 3:28 PM
Chuck – Hope you like the change you have been promoting the last several years.
albill on May 22, 2013 at 3:30 PM
But, Benghazi is a political witch hunt…
d1carter on May 22, 2013 at 3:31 PM
The State Run Media thought they would be exempt from the repression…LOL.
d1carter on May 22, 2013 at 3:31 PM
It’s great to see Chuck Todd cheering on journalism and journalists! Someday he might consider abandoning the Ministry of Truth propaganda machine, and join in.
MTF on May 22, 2013 at 3:34 PM
Mighty short book ya got there.
Dope.
herm2416 on May 22, 2013 at 3:38 PM
Or trolls and fools. But I repeat myself.
IrishEyes on May 22, 2013 at 3:39 PM
Lol! Okay, you got it. I’ll drop it off when its done. ; )
Bmore on May 22, 2013 at 3:41 PM
meh…there’s something pathetic how conservatives keep hoping these liberal journalists are going to start being even-handed…just wait, Chuck Todd and the rest of them will forgive and forget when it’s convenient.
blue13326 on May 22, 2013 at 3:41 PM
And somehow Obama’s Gallup approval is still in the 50s.
I swear…Even if Obama rounded up 1/2 the country to the gas chambers, 50+% of the country including some of the 1/2 going into the gas chambers would still approve of Obama’s job performance.
Varchild on May 22, 2013 at 3:46 PM
The first step in totalitarian rule is to silence the opposition by intimidation. Now we can clearly see what kind of government we are going to get.
kemojr on May 22, 2013 at 3:50 PM
But the Tea Party, they should be criminalized.
Alabama Infidel on May 22, 2013 at 3:55 PM
Manure Spreading Media = Useful Idiots (V.I. Lenin)
Missilengr on May 22, 2013 at 3:56 PM
When
you’ve lostyou’re losing Chuck Toad…bofh on May 22, 2013 at 4:05 PM
BreakingNews: Chuck Todd(D) has placed his inflatable Obama love doll on CraigsList… it is SO over…
DANEgerus on May 22, 2013 at 4:06 PM
Once leftist scumbag todd gets his assurances from the OBOZO regime that he isn’t a target – he’ll be back licking OBOZO’s boots before you can say “d-cRAT stooge.”
TeaPartyNation on May 22, 2013 at 4:07 PM
about three days before the election in 2008 there was a story out of Tennessee about two guys talking in a bar about shooting Senator Obama. Made big headlines with all the racial intoning that could be mustered. The gal that initiated the report was the wife of Kerry’s 2004 campaign manager. It caused me to research a whole lot of names associated with by-lines. The ties to journ-o-listers to the dem party are very strong.
And the story was bogus of course.
DanMan on May 22, 2013 at 4:08 PM
WaPo: The Insiders: A special prosecutor in the IRS matter is inevitable
Resist We Much on May 22, 2013 at 4:11 PM
Let me make sure I get my hands around all of this:
Criminalizing journalism, or in other words, restricting rights guaranteed under the First Amendment, is doubleungood.
Criminalizing gun ownership, or in other words, restricting rights guaranteed under the Second Amendment, is doubleplusgood.
NOW, it all makes sense
Tar Heel Sooner on May 22, 2013 at 4:15 PM
“Fundamentally change America!” The idiots that voted for this Commie had no idea what he was talking about because they never took the time to learn anything about this traitor to America!!
Deano1952 on May 22, 2013 at 4:18 PM
BINGO! I don’t think this will occur to the LSM as a whole, though. Nor will they ever call him on it.
fred5678 on May 22, 2013 at 4:31 PM
Hey Chuck,
You DID build that !!
Sleep with it !
Jabberwock on May 22, 2013 at 4:34 PM
Well Chuck, by being a gutless weasel, the alligator is going to eat you last. Don’t worry, he’s hungry.
rhombus on May 22, 2013 at 4:57 PM
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Actually, Chuck, the way journalism has been practiced in the age of Øbama is criminal. You have a lot to atone for, Bub.
ExpressoBold on May 22, 2013 at 5:08 PM
When Obama has lost Chuck Todd he is done.
mitchellvii on May 22, 2013 at 5:10 PM
Drop that notepad and reach for the sky!, dirtbag.
BobMbx on May 22, 2013 at 5:43 PM
Right up to the time the ol’ EBT card achieved a zero balance, with no means of the government to fill it up.
“Waddya mean we cooked the dudes who we gots da money from?”
BobMbx on May 22, 2013 at 5:46 PM
For over 30 years…. I thought that I escaped my Communist country.
MNH on May 22, 2013 at 6:33 PM
Not buying it.
Judge apologizes for lack of transparency in James Rosen leak probe
The chief judge of the District’s federal court issued an unusual order Wednesday, apologizing to the public and the media for not making certain court documents widely available online.
The gesture of transparency by U.S. District Judge Royce C. Lamberth comes at a time when the Obama administration is under scrutiny for an unprecedented number of leak investigations, including one showing that the Justice Department had secretly probed the news-gathering activities of Fox News reporter James Rosen.
The investigation of Rosen was first reported Monday, after The Washington Post obtained court documents containing details of the case.
A federal judge had ordered the documents unsealed in November 2011, but they were kept sealed for 18 months and not posted on the court’s online docket until last week, after The Post inquired about them.
Lamberth blamed a series of administrative errors and said a review of the “performance of the personnel involved is underway.” He also said he was creating a new category on the court’s Web site where all search and arrest warrants will be made public unless they fall under a separate sealing order.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/judge-apologizes-for-lack-of-transparency-in-leak-case/2013/05/22/ad769370-c308-11e2-8c3b-0b5e9247e8ca_story.html
wyntre9 on May 22, 2013 at 6:37 PM
More information the public should have had before the vote.
That election was a fraud.
Obama is not President.
petunia on May 22, 2013 at 6:44 PM
Heh
cornbred on May 22, 2013 at 8:55 PM
The media is fine with Obama trashing the Ammendments to the US Constitution because it is old and…..hey wait…..you can’t do that….
dddave on May 23, 2013 at 11:35 AM