Iran agrees to new P-5+1 talks on nuclear program
posted at 2:01 pm on February 5, 2013 by Ed Morrissey
The positive spin on this story is that Iran is prepared to accept some limits on its nuclear program. The negative spin is that they’ve said that before, and it’s gone nowhere:
Iran has formally agreed to a new round of nuclear talks with the United States and five other world powers, European Union officials confirmed Tuesday, setting the stage for a critical effort to stave off a military confrontation in the Persian Gulf.
E.U. and Iranian officials signed off on a Feb. 26 meeting in the former Kazakh capital of Almaty, ending months of haggling over where and when negotiations would take place. Iran agreed in principle to new talks two months ago, but diplomatic progress appeared to falter amid a fierce internal debate among Iranian leaders over whether to accept limits on the country’s nuclear program.
What’s changed recently? The Washington Post notes that the Iranian economy has melted down, for one:
Since June, when Iranian officials last sat down with diplomats from the so-called P5+1 powers — the United States, Britain, China, France, Russia and Germany — Iran’s economy has been battered by U.S. and European economic sanctions, including an oil embargo that has wiped out half of Iran’s oil exports. Iran’s currency, the rial, tumbled to a record low against the dollar earlier this week.
That could produce a grassroots revolution that would see the mullahs up against the wall. Even the Revolutionary Guard might prove less than loyal in a total economic collapse, although its leaders have at least as much to fear from an uprising after the 2009 crackdown on the Green Revolution.
That may be why Iranian media has suddenly softened on the US, too:
Tehran also has been abuzz with rumors about back-channel talks with the Obama administration, and some Iranian officials have appeared to embrace the idea of bilateral negotiations with the world power still officially regarded by regime hard-liners as the “Great Satan.” Neither government has confirmed that such contacts have occurred.
Mahmoud Ahmadinejad might be fearful of gains made by his political rivals, too:
In a year when Iran will elect a new president and could face make-or-break decisions about its nuclear program, the country’s most prominent political family appears poised to extend its influence, strengthening the rule of hard-line clerics as they struggle with other power centers.
Larijani brothers now sit atop two of Iran’s three branches of government, the parliament and the judiciary, positions they have used to attempt to foil populist President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. Speculation is rife that the best known of the five Larijani brothers, parliament speaker Ali Larijani, will make a second bid for the presidency when Ahmadinejad completes his final term in June.
But don’t break out the bubbly, either:
The Larijani ties to the supreme leader, Iran’s ultimate decision-maker, mean Ali Larijani would probably be more empowered than Ahmadinejad to make a deal with Washington. But his worldliness does not mean he is more Western, analysts say — although he is less bombastic than Ahmadinejad, he and his brothers are also viewed as even stauncher ideologues.
So should we be optimistic or pessimistic? Based on the divide-and-delay diplomatic tactics of Iran with the P-5+1 group (and its limited success), I know which way I’m betting.
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Everything’s a game.
Shy Guy on April 30, 2013 at 1:24 PM
Dizzy.
Dizzy, Im so dizzy my head is spinning
Like a whirlpool it never ends
And its You
girlBarry makin it spinYou’re making me dizzy
portlandon on April 30, 2013 at 1:24 PM
Closing GITMO and moving Jihadi’s to American prisons seems to be the priority?
workingclass artist on April 30, 2013 at 1:24 PM
Paper tiger that s what everyone sees
cmsinaz on April 30, 2013 at 1:25 PM
Red Line, green line, gun line… they’re all the same.
Everything has an expiration date, including Obama’s presidency.
CiLH1 on April 30, 2013 at 1:26 PM
Say what you mean.
Mean what you say.
Stand ready to defend it.
But…quibbling?
Like some schoolboy caught floggin’ the dolphin during recess? “Honest, I was only scratchin’ a mosquito bit, teacher.”
C’mon, Barry, do you truly ever listen to what you say?
So…what’s with the “red line” nonsense?
Done graduated Harvard. ‘Posed to be smart and all.
Putz.
coldwarrior on April 30, 2013 at 1:27 PM
Like everything else this guy says…You can’t believe a word of it. I guess we are up for another gold star panel to come up with suggestions to ignore.
brtex on April 30, 2013 at 1:28 PM
On last question… yes they think that….dear leader talks a lot of hot air
cmsinaz on April 30, 2013 at 1:28 PM
Jive walk and praise Jason Collins’ big stick.
I see now why the trolls love him…He’s the only vagiina they ever see.
RovesChins on April 30, 2013 at 1:29 PM
When it comes to O-Dimwit, one has to learn to read between the lines. His reference to “game-changer” means his golf game because that’s the only “game” that he takes seriously.
Kingfisher on April 30, 2013 at 1:29 PM
rogerb on April 30, 2013 at 1:29 PM
This, if only. He is an eternal underdeveloped narcissistic teenager.
The rest of the world laughs its collective azz off at the US.
He made a mockery of the once good land.
“Boston was not an intel failure” — Surreality in Chief
Schadenfreude on April 30, 2013 at 1:30 PM
So the “red line” merely denotes the difference between the sternly-worded letter and the strongly-worded letter.
Gator Country on April 30, 2013 at 1:30 PM
maginot line
crrr6 on April 30, 2013 at 1:30 PM
Hey! There’s a federal facility to hold them that is close to US islamic communities isn’t there? Wouldn’t it be nice to relocate them where they have friends and relatives nearby, directly on US soil to visit them and offer comfort? Its been so lonely at GITMO.
hawkeye54 on April 30, 2013 at 1:30 PM
“Look, I don’t know what I meant. All I did was read the damn words on the screen”
BobMbx on April 30, 2013 at 1:31 PM
I don’t think we’ve plumbed the depth of Obama’s weakness yet. Besides, whatever he decides to do on Syria and, later, on Iran, will be heralded as the correct course of action.
Curtiss on April 30, 2013 at 1:31 PM
Where is Jigsaw when you really need him?
“I want to play a game….”
pilamaye on April 30, 2013 at 1:32 PM
Obama is weak, and they called his bluff.
Good Lt on April 30, 2013 at 1:32 PM
This poster child of the ills of Affirmative Action rode that train all the way to a chance for an Ivy League education, and the Oval Office, and he has yet to find Syria on a map.
He’s just stupid enough to destroy our country.
OhEssYouCowboys on April 30, 2013 at 1:32 PM
Obama goes golfing with Reggie Love.
GWB, “decision-maker” goes biking with disabled veterans.
When Laura Bush mentioned the latter, at the library opening, Michelle nearly dropped out of the chair, by the weight of her lips. She looked creepily bitter the entire time.
In Syria all are the enemies of the US, and the brothers of Obama/Holder. The muazzie brotherhood and AlQuaida will take over, sooner or later, apace, with Obama’s help.
Schadenfreude on April 30, 2013 at 1:32 PM
Who’s to blame for the chemical weapons? George Bush of course, isn’t that the standard answer?
bsinc1962 on April 30, 2013 at 1:32 PM
Name one nation which is free or freer, due to Obama, I triple dare you.
Why can’t anyone answer this question?
Schadenfreude on April 30, 2013 at 1:32 PM
Just gotta love how it took him seven minutes to say, “Once again, my mouth write a check that my ass can’t cash!”
Gator Country on April 30, 2013 at 1:33 PM
Obama is a pretender, an eunuch of global proportions, and the world knows it, and laughs.
Schadenfreude on April 30, 2013 at 1:33 PM
What Barry says publicly is actually the direct opposite of what has or will occur.
Or, perhaps it really wasn’t an intel failure and what occurred was intended.
You be the judge.
hawkeye54 on April 30, 2013 at 1:33 PM
That road to Damascus.The sword of Damocles.Rent’s too damn high.Could someone check this teleprompter? Where’s Axelrod? Help me, help me….
Mr. D on April 30, 2013 at 1:34 PM
“Wrote”, not “Write”. Good grief.
Gator Country on April 30, 2013 at 1:34 PM
Somebody should remind Obama that people there use assault rifles with large clips and they can be obtained with no universal background checks.
Hey Obama, Syria produced a video that insults the prophet Mohammed!
There, that should get him to react.
Kingfisher on April 30, 2013 at 1:34 PM
Presidenting is hard…
catmman on April 30, 2013 at 1:34 PM
Absolutely embarrassing in its ignorance.
Comparing apples and zebras.
Ben Hur on April 30, 2013 at 1:35 PM
Lybia and Egypt were smart enough to give the illusion that there was a secular resistance. Even in Iran there is hope that the Green Movement is more rational than the ayatollahs.
John the Libertarian on April 30, 2013 at 1:36 PM
The president is a wuss. Period.
Plus, today, he pulled a Cartman.
LOL!
kingsjester on April 30, 2013 at 1:36 PM
Starting with his Dictatorship of the Proletariat, in America.
OhEssYouCowboys on April 30, 2013 at 1:36 PM
Yes….while Bush dawdled on how best to handle Saddam and Iraq, under his watch, he allowed the chemical weapons to pass effortlessly and unchallenged across the border to Syria.
hawkeye54 on April 30, 2013 at 1:37 PM
I needed that laugh.
OhEssYouCowboys on April 30, 2013 at 1:38 PM
I..ahh…err…uhh…
Why not just tell us his opinion evolved? Worked for gay marriage and we all knew he was lying through his teeth before his opinion evolved, just like he was here. We all knew he was just talking tough just to sound tough and nothing else.
NotCoach on April 30, 2013 at 1:38 PM
“But his tie” — verbaluce
Schadenfreude on April 30, 2013 at 1:38 PM
Apparently the food at GITMO is bad as well.
workingclass artist on April 30, 2013 at 1:38 PM
He has retreated so much on every issue, pretty soon he will be French…
PatriotRider on April 30, 2013 at 1:39 PM
Indeed, they are not a nation, and are not free/freer.
Schadenfreude on April 30, 2013 at 1:39 PM
The Muslim Brotherhood, who he thinks ae his friends, are taughing themselves silly over how big of a trusting wuss Obama is.
kingsjester on April 30, 2013 at 1:39 PM
Another reason to transfer them directly to the US…..easier access to care baskets loaded with goodies from the nearby muslim communities.
/s
hawkeye54 on April 30, 2013 at 1:40 PM
Chemical weapons? What chemical weapons?
I thought the left told us that the Middle East wasn’t using chemical weapons and that Bush lied to us!
You mean they were wrong….AGAIN?!
Kingfisher on April 30, 2013 at 1:41 PM
That’s alot of Strategery there Allah. Kinda reminds me of this:
Princess Bride Poison Scene
WisRich on April 30, 2013 at 1:41 PM
He’s more likely a dedicated, loyal and closeted member. Probably has a tattoo to prove it.
/s
hawkeye54 on April 30, 2013 at 1:42 PM
Well they aren’t the real threat are they…Fanatical Christians are the real threat….Wriiiight???
workingclass artist on April 30, 2013 at 1:42 PM
President Present is really quite a manly leader, no?
rjh on April 30, 2013 at 1:43 PM
I guess all those UN-sponsored classes have worked out so well! (/sarc)
Kingfisher on April 30, 2013 at 1:43 PM
He’s quite popular in San Francisco & NYC.
workingclass artist on April 30, 2013 at 1:44 PM
“Red line for THEE but not for ME…” PBHO
Khun Joe on April 30, 2013 at 1:44 PM
“I’d go home, you idiots, who don’t see that I’m too good for you”
Schadenfreude on April 30, 2013 at 1:44 PM
The Left is never wrong, its always that the truth is fleeting, flexible and subject to evolving to what is relevant to them at a given moment.
hawkeye54 on April 30, 2013 at 1:45 PM
Obama couldn’t have been a bigger wimp if he held the presser in his mom jeans.
Barack Obama, heeeere’s your sign!
Kingfisher on April 30, 2013 at 1:45 PM
Well they aren’t the real threat are they…Fanatical Christians are the real threat….Wriiiight???
Absolutely, that notorious, hostile and potentially violent group which still holds the #1 spot on the DHS domestic threat list.
hawkeye54 on April 30, 2013 at 1:47 PM
Wait a minute, I understand Obama now. He didn’t want to appear racist because he mentioned the “red” line.
Yeah, that’s it. That’s the ticket!
Kingfisher on April 30, 2013 at 1:47 PM
The bad guys are laughing at Generallisimo Dear Leader Comrade Chairman O, Bin Laden Slayer.
farsighted on April 30, 2013 at 1:47 PM
Folks…Ya got this all wrong…
See the priority is to move 30% of Mexico into the US and give em’ benefits…This middle east chemical weapons thingy is being kinda hyped…
workingclass artist on April 30, 2013 at 1:48 PM
Nice paper tiger posturing, Barry.
batter on April 30, 2013 at 1:48 PM
Can the phone app please have a quote feature?
Since closing Gitmo was mentioned, I think Barry has an incredible opportunity here. Form the Gitmo detainees into an anti-Assad brigade and send them ashore bay of pigs style.
TexasDan on April 30, 2013 at 1:48 PM
The Presidential News Conference Cliff’s Notes: Somebody Needs A Nap!
Resist We Much on April 30, 2013 at 1:48 PM
OT: A cargo plane with seven crewmembers, stalled and crashed at Bagram AP. Video is pretty chilling. Liveleak link. Not always save for work.
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=c32_1367332518
hawkdriver on April 30, 2013 at 1:50 PM
We know what that means….he’s going to go play Putt-Putt instead of golf….with his daughters….in Argentina…on vacation….
ProfShadow on April 30, 2013 at 1:50 PM
Remember this:
I suppose the system DID work…if, by system, she meant a Dutch filmmaker and perspiration.
Resist We Much on April 30, 2013 at 1:52 PM
From last night’s QotD thread
Schadenfreude on April 30, 2013 at 1:52 PM
I’m pretty sure we already host 30% of Mexico, and showering taxpayer funded benefits upon them here, and in Mexico.
hawkeye54 on April 30, 2013 at 1:52 PM
Barry talks big and carries no stick.
albill on April 30, 2013 at 1:53 PM
Obama on Syria red lines:
No one I think is in my tree
I mean it must be high or low
That is you can’t, you know, tune in
But it’s all right
That is I think it’s not too bad
Always, no sometimes, think it’s me
But you know I know when it’s a dream
I think I know I mean a yes
But it’s all wrong
That is I think I disagree
The Rogue Tomato on April 30, 2013 at 1:54 PM
Hey Slick – there’s this thing called “contingency planning”, you might want to look into it.
mojo on April 30, 2013 at 1:54 PM
It didn’t take anything more than a possibly false positive test indicating the presence of a tiny amount of ricin in the vicinity of DC to throw everyone in Congress into near panic mode though, did it?
Now take the same evidence they have of the use of sarin in Syria and imagine it was found somewhere in the vicinity of DC.
farsighted on April 30, 2013 at 1:54 PM
TOTUS done failed him again.
Philly on April 30, 2013 at 1:55 PM
I suppose it all depends upon the definition of “worked”. What Big Sis meant is not what most of us probably thought it meant. Her definition has to be different than ours.
hawkeye54 on April 30, 2013 at 1:55 PM
Good. Tell “the guys” to keep working on the intelligence network and to keep logging the material movements and persons-of-interest networking — and then go play golf.
Best for everyone.
No one miss this through rapid scanning AP’s text:
. . . for future reference.
Axe on April 30, 2013 at 1:57 PM
Oh what a tangled web Dear Leader weaved when first he tried to deceive Assad with bluff and bluster.
farsighted on April 30, 2013 at 1:58 PM
Please note that the video was made on Feb. 01, 2013.
Schadenfreude on April 30, 2013 at 2:00 PM
The politics of ‘duh.’
James on April 30, 2013 at 2:00 PM
Another for you…
Resist We Much on April 30, 2013 at 2:03 PM
Please note they just received the video.
hawkdriver on April 30, 2013 at 2:06 PM
0 is evolving on red lines.
jukin3 on April 30, 2013 at 2:07 PM
http://www.ibtimes.com/cargo-plane-crash-kills-7-americans-afghanistans-bagram-airfield-nato-debunks-talibans-claims-over#
I’m guessing the guys dash cam just wasn’t set to the proper date.
hawkdriver on April 30, 2013 at 2:10 PM
All I know is this; Israel is own their own and will have to confront Iran without US support.
These are scary times.
Lance Murdock on April 30, 2013 at 2:15 PM
Besides, Assad was not mirandized!
Typical Obama 2-step shuffle.
GarandFan on April 30, 2013 at 2:16 PM
He inadvertently hit the nail on the head. Wasn’t the Bekaa Valley in Syria supposed to be where a convoy of Russian trucks headed for out of Iraq a month or two prior to the invasion??????
I would think that nobody wants control over and destruction of those WMDs MORE THAN OBAMA.
Youngs98 on April 30, 2013 at 2:19 PM
It would not be treated as “proof”. But it certainly adds to the evidence supporting such an assessment of Dear Leader by Iran’s leadership.
It certainly makes it more likely they will dismiss his threats in the future. It certainly makes it more likely they, and all the rest of the world’s bad guys, will act more boldly and test him further.
It is never a good thing when the world’s predators and aggressors smell weakness and indecision.
farsighted on April 30, 2013 at 2:19 PM
Another guy who should just go play golf. — take MeggieMac, too.
Axe on April 30, 2013 at 2:22 PM
Take away from the presser – Obama doesn’t know what the hell he is talking about and what he does say is useless.
Tater Salad on April 30, 2013 at 2:27 PM
Let him be clear. It’s our fault we did not interpret Obamster’s ‘red line’ statements correctly.
It’s called NUANCE. Sheesh. After five years, you’d think we’d have honed in on his special language.
LetsBfrank on April 30, 2013 at 2:27 PM
Lesson for all the world to note: Obama is a bluffer. His words mean nothing. Call his bluff and he backs off.
petefrt on April 30, 2013 at 2:30 PM
Well, this move should certainly send a very strong message to North Korea. I’m sure N.K. is re-thinking its options right now! (/sarc)
Kingfisher on April 30, 2013 at 2:35 PM
“Iran is a tiny country…” - Commander in Chief
Seven Percent Solution on April 30, 2013 at 2:36 PM
…except you apparently do…and now the entire world knows it, as well as Eric Cantor.
And, if you want an explanation as to why US approval ratings in the Muslim World are lower now than they were under Bush, then look no further than this:
Apparently, we can…and the Muslim World knows it and knows why, as evidenced by this picture.
Obama’s fecklessness has done severe damage to his credibility and legacy, as well as undermined and exposed our country.
Resist We Much on April 30, 2013 at 2:41 PM
Not arguing with you, hawk, just wondering. The time is also wrong.
Schadenfreude on April 30, 2013 at 2:43 PM
#3
:-)
Resist We Much on April 30, 2013 at 2:44 PM
So now you’re rogerb, Schadenfreude?
What was the context of that remark?
What was I making fun of and pointing out the absurdity of?
What were you offering that insipred that quip?
Which was actually ‘and that tie!’.)
You’re a smart guy…and as much as there is you think you know the answers to…you actually do know the answers to those questions.
verbaluce on April 30, 2013 at 2:48 PM
ROFL
Dog Eater is juking like a Spaniel in the White House kitchen.
Juke, little dancing bat face, juke like the wind!
Bishop on April 30, 2013 at 2:52 PM
So very sad, but one minute they are in Hell. Afghanistan and the next minute, they are getting settled in Heaven.
RovesChins on April 30, 2013 at 2:55 PM
Shut up and go get under Axelrod. We all know you don’t care about Bat Face’s tie because you’re too busy sniffing his underwear.
RovesChins on April 30, 2013 at 2:56 PM
Well, as Democrats have taught us, it is all about the definition.
“Thin” — as in Michelle “thin” or anorexic “thin” ?
“Red” — Which shade of red ?
“Line” — well,a “geometric straight line” or “punch line” or a train line?
Definitions in flux, as always, with liberals…..
ProfShadow on April 30, 2013 at 2:57 PM
The real question is in which country will Obama’s foreign policy beat Jimmy Carter’s leftist foreign policy success of Zimbabwe?
thuja on April 30, 2013 at 3:03 PM
You know, the White House has an office of protocol, career diplomats, and speech writers. One of their jobs is to advise the president to keep him from making stupid statements that wind up making the US look foolish. So why isn’t Jugears using those resources? I think he answered this question early in his administration:
This narcissist actually thinks the world of himself and believes his every utterance to be inspired. It ticks him off no end when he is proven wrong, such as in this case.
AZfederalist on April 30, 2013 at 3:05 PM
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