Video: Chicago murders worse now than during Capone’s era

posted at 10:01 am on February 4, 2013 by Ed Morrissey

Via Instapundit, this really shouldn’t come as much of a shock.  That’s actually been true for decades. ABC’s Chicago affiliate runs the numbers and informs its viewers that the numbers today, as bad as they are, are still an improvement from the previous generation.  But are these numbers deceptive?

In this I-Team report, Chicago’s rising murder rate in a new context, how the numbers of shooting deaths compare to the city’s most notorious crime era, the one that has tarnished Chicago’s reputation around the world for a century.

The surprising stats show the city is worse off now in the category of murder than at the height of the era that has driven Chicago’s reputation for almost a century, Capone’s “gangland” Chicago. …

The 42 murders in January is nowhere near the most ever in a month, but even that figure is not from the rat-a-tat-tat years. It is from the early 90s, when police also said a mix of gangs and drugs fueled the tremendous number of killings.

In January 1992 there were 77 murders in Chicago. That is the January record. Most of the murders then and this year were with guns. That was also the case in 1929.

Of course, the ABC report uses the number of murders without taking into consideration the crime rate, which is a calculation made on population size.  Chicago still has one of the worst murder rates in the nation, if not the worst, but has the population of the city changed enough to vary the rate?  According to Boston University … no.  The Census population of Chicago in 1920 was 2,701,705, and in 1990 it was only 82,000 more at 2,783,726.  According to the Census Bureau now, it’s 2,695,598 — almost exactly what it was in Capone’s heyday.

The point about gun control made in the clip is still valid, either way — the heavy gun-control regime of the city hasn’t done much to lower the murder rate or overall number of murders.

David Axelrod blames the suburbs, or something:

“We live in Chicago, and one of the reasons we have such a huge problem in this city is that all around us are areas with weak laws and with very lax background checks and a lot of illegal guns flow into this city,” Axelrod told MSNBC’s Joe Scarborough. “Every law enforcement official will tell you that.”

Meanwhile, Jesse Jackson wants Barack Obama to focus on his adopted home town, and to send in the feds (via Javier Manjarres):

Before a march on the city’s South Side, Jackson, a former Democratic presidential candidate, said America’s third most populous city needed more help than Mayor Rahm Emanuel and police superintendent Garry McCarthy could offer.

“When the president shows up, it shows ultimate national seriousness,” said Jackson, a Chicago resident. He also called for the U.S. Department of Homeland Security to help patrol the streets of Chicago.

Gun violence in Chicago has been in the national spotlight over the past year, with 506 murders in 2012, an increase of 17 percent from the previous year. As of Thursday, there were 42 homicides and 157 shootings so far this year, according to Chicago police.

Those darned suburbs!


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The wages of sin – and liberalism – is DEATH.

MelonCollie on February 4, 2013 at 10:02 AM

you’d think the first black prez and BLACK ist lady, from chicago, would have their asses down there addressing this, but noooooooooooooo.

GhoulAid on February 4, 2013 at 10:03 AM

Prohibition works! Against guns or alcohol.

Socratease on February 4, 2013 at 10:05 AM

you’d think the first black prez and BLACK ist lady, from chicago, would have their asses down there addressing this, but noooooooooooooo.

GhoulAid on February 4, 2013 at 10:03 AM

That would require them to discipline their half-devil, half-child ‘bruthas’ and ‘sistas’ more sternly than they’ve ever been dealt with before. Martial law coupled with demolition of any building unused for more than ten years would not be inappropriate for that trashheap of a city.

MelonCollie on February 4, 2013 at 10:05 AM

you’d think the first black prez and BLACK ist lady, from chicago, would have their asses down there addressing this, but noooooooooooooo.

GhoulAid on February 4, 2013 at 10:03 AM

Chicago doesn’t forward their narrative at all. There’s a ton of black-on-black crime which nullifies the race card. The city has some of the strictest gun laws in the nation which hardly bolsters the left’s case for additional gun control regulation. And the place is run by the Democrats, including Obama’s former chief-of-staff. So politically it serves them best if they ignore it altogether.

Doughboy on February 4, 2013 at 10:07 AM

That’s because CHICAGO is worse than during Capone’s era.

Cleombrotus on February 4, 2013 at 10:07 AM

When I was in Chicago last week, I felt VERY unsafe…because I knew that only the bad guys and the pole-ice were packing.

annoyinglittletwerp on February 4, 2013 at 10:10 AM

you’d think the first black prez and BLACK ist lady, from chicago, would have their asses down there addressing this, but noooooooooooooo.

GhoulAid on February 4, 2013 at 10:03 AM

That would require them to discipline their half-devil, half-child ‘bruthas’ and ‘sistas’ more sternly than they’ve ever been dealt with before. Martial law coupled with demolition of any building unused for more than ten years would not be inappropriate for that trashheap of a city.

MelonCollie on February 4, 2013 at 10:05 AM

i understand that, and agree. except the recent case of the shooting of Hadiya Pendleton. She was an outstanding student with a bright future ahead of her, and from what i read, came from a decent family. she had just finished taking exams and was swinging on a swing with friends at a park before she was shot. it was 63 degrees that day in Chicago. in January. in chicago. she performed at his innaguration for christ’s sake. i am beyond disgusted that she is treated like any other throwaway black victim of chicago’s violence by him and mooch. say what you want, but not this girl. not her. she was going places and she should be the one victim that starts a real change. but i know it won’t. and i have no words for that. none.

GhoulAid on February 4, 2013 at 10:12 AM

When I was in Chicago last week, I felt VERY unsafe…because I knew that only the bad guys and the pole-ice were packing.

Not true!

City Aldermen are also exempted from the gun ban.

Doesn’t that make you feel safer?

Socratease on February 4, 2013 at 10:14 AM

the direction of action is always going to be more government, more intervention. The Democrats love this violence. They love to stand on those graves and promote their agenda. What better way to do that than by the blood of their fellow citizens in Chicago????

ted c on February 4, 2013 at 10:17 AM

But… But… Chicago is a GUN FREE ZONE?! How can this be?

wildcat72 on February 4, 2013 at 10:17 AM

“We live in Chicago, and one of the reasons we have such a huge problem in this city is that all around us are areas with weak laws and with very lax background checks and a lot of illegal guns flow into this city,”

Simple question for those that lap up Axelrod’s words, as well as the words of the rest of the Chicago Machine.

How many murders happened in Chicago, population 2,707,120?
How many murders happened in the rest of the metro area, population 6,750,000?

Maybe the problem is CHICAGOANS perhaps? Of course, for a Democrat to acknowledge the real problem, is to acknowledge the culture they’re responsible for creating.

MNHawk on February 4, 2013 at 10:17 AM

The 42 murders in January is nowhere near the most ever in a month, but even that figure is not from the rat-a-tat-tat years. It is from the early 90s, when police also said a mix of gangs and drugs fueled the tremendous number of killings.

And yet the rat-eared wonder and anti-Constitutionalists are focusing on banning legal gun ownership and not the gang and drug shooting which is mostly minority-on-minority shooting in urban areas. Instead of letting Gabbie Giffords drool over herself or listen to some grieving parent from an affluent lilly white town in CT, a real discussion of gun violence needs to start in the gritty streets of the inner city and recognize the societal, cultural, and demographics of the issue instead of devising ways to confiscate guns, ban stuff, and advocate for a national database of legal gun owners (so that they know where to go when they decide an AR-15 is too dangerous to be in the hands of private citizens).

Put another way, it should have been Rahm Emanuel, Dave Bing (Detroit) and Mitch Landrieu (New Orleans) among those called to testify and not Gabbie Giffords or Sandy Hook victims. That is, if the intent is to deal with the shootings and not confiscation of weapons.

Happy Nomad on February 4, 2013 at 10:18 AM

That’s because CHICAGO is worse than during Capone’s era.

Cleombrotus on February 4, 2013 at 10:07 AM

Probably because the gangsters were less corrupt than Rahm Emmanuel’s regime.

wildcat72 on February 4, 2013 at 10:18 AM

Do you want to watch something…ummm?….concerning? Check out this video shot from the lapel camera of a security guard/police officer taken at a mall in Atlanta, GA.

This woman was tasered in front of her children. At first blush, one has to wonder what cretin guard would do that. After watching the video, you’ll realize she got exactly what she deserved.

ted c on February 4, 2013 at 10:20 AM

Hey A**rod, I wonder if there might be some connection to the gangs that are allowed to roam the streets. You know, the ones that came across our southern boarder and don’t have to worry about being picked up on illegal immigration.

Then again A**rod, perhaps the crime rate is bigger in the city than the burbs because the bad guys know that we have guns.

I say we. I live in the burbs and yes, I do have a Glock 21.

BobK on February 4, 2013 at 10:22 AM

This should have been on O’s agenda from day 1 but O ignored it and continues to do so. I am so sadden over the death of Hadiya Pendleton.

Jesse Jackson tried to put the spotlight on this murder. Where’s Sharpton!!!! Where is the CBC?

O continues to ignore the law, the economy and the entitlements, etc. but hey look over here GUN CONTROL, GAYS IN THE BOY SCOUTS, WOMEN IN COMBAT, THOSE EVIL REPUBS, etc.

Oh and he needs more tax money!

CoffeeLover on February 4, 2013 at 10:23 AM

No, that CAN’T be right. It was PROHIBITION that caused all the crime in Chicago.

Once they got rid of eeeevvviilll prohibition, crime stopped.

Tom C on February 4, 2013 at 10:24 AM

ted c on February 4, 2013 at 10:20 AM

Stuff like that is why I pay absolutely no attention when some ‘mother’ wails about being tazed/maced/etc. Most of the time the person in question who’s suffered so much is, in fact, a walking argument for legalized abortion.

MelonCollie on February 4, 2013 at 10:24 AM

Yeah those criminals are going to go thru a background check in the burbs
…the checks are doing wonders in the city
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cmsinaz on February 4, 2013 at 10:25 AM

Do you want to watch something…ummm?….concerning?

ted c on February 4, 2013 at 10:20 AM

I don’t know what you find concerning about this. What I find concerning though is the simple truth. This woman is raising those kids to be just like her. Ignorant, angry, and abusive.

Happy Nomad on February 4, 2013 at 10:25 AM

Squirrel…. the boy scouts need to allow gays into their organization

Gun violence in Chicago… meh

cmsinaz on February 4, 2013 at 10:28 AM

And, you can’t even get them on tax evation!

OldEnglish on February 4, 2013 at 10:28 AM

Three years ago, son was pulled over for being “young, male and white” coming off the wrong ramp into the city. Four or five squad cars surrounded his car as he tried to turn around to get back on the expressway. Long story short, girlfriend needed to find a bathroom in a hurry, but the Chicago PD detained him for hours.

The police went so far as to handcuff him in the back of a squad car for a period of time, emptied everything out the family SUV, threatened to take personal items (iPad, soccer stuff “must be nice to be rich, my kid would sure like some of this stuff”) and repeatedly asked him if he or his father and I had FOID (firearm owner’s identification) cards. We didn’t at the time, but we do now.

They went so far as to put a gun in his glove compartment. He said it was the same type of gun as the police had in their holsters, so he new they were just trying to get a rise out of him. He said it wasn’t his. They threatened to take him to downtown to the Cook County jail, which is a nightmare of a place.

Thank God, at 19 years old, he never lost his cool, was always respectful, saying “Yes, sir” and “No, sir” and waited them out. After three hours, they let him and his girlfriend go, no charges, no apology. The girlfriend had been separated from him and kept up against a wall during the entire incident. She, evetually, wet her pants which may have been one of the reasons they decided to end the cat and mouse game.

Chicago cops are as crazy as the gang members.

Fallon on February 4, 2013 at 10:29 AM

Stuff like that is why I pay absolutely no attention when some ‘mother’ wails about being tazed/maced/etc. Most of the time the person in question who’s suffered so much is, in fact, a walking argument for legalized abortion.

MelonCollie on February 4, 2013 at 10:24 AM

I have a similar attitude. There’s this thread of sensibility about “how awful” it is that this woman got tazed in front of her kids. Well, I think “how awful” that those kids are being raised to think it is okay to scream “you gay gay gay” at people they don’t like. The worst things those kids are being subjected to have nothing to do with a mall security cop.

Happy Nomad on February 4, 2013 at 10:30 AM

Even though Chicago has strong gun laws, it cannot stop criminals and thugs from procuring their weapons from neighboring states with less stringent gun laws…this fact seems to escape gun supporters

nonpartisan on February 4, 2013 at 10:32 AM

Gun violence in Chicago… meh

cmsinaz on February 4, 2013 at 10:28 AM

That’s just blacks killing other blacks. Dems/liberals only care about the deaths of whites at the hand of mentally ill individuals in the movie theaters, shopping centers, and schools of affluent suburbs. So what a 15-year-old honors student was killed in a Chicago park. How does that further the cause of getting rid of private gun ownership?

Happy Nomad on February 4, 2013 at 10:35 AM

Even though Chicago has strong gun laws, it cannot stop criminals and thugs from procuring their weapons from neighboring states with less stringent gun laws…this fact seems to escape gun supporters

nonpartisan on February 4, 2013 at 10:32 AM

Gun supporters? Anybody that supports the Constitution should be a gun supporter. Speaks volumes about people like you.

Happy Nomad on February 4, 2013 at 10:36 AM

“You cannot police poverty. You cannot police broken dreams, you cannot police aspirations. This cannot be dealt with on just a citywide level. We have drugs and guns coming in, and jobs going out. In most of the areas where these shootings are taking place, the unemployment rate is between 45% and 55%.”

- Jesse Jackson

So, everyone else has to give up their guns?

Talk about the soft bigotry of low expectations.

The rest of Illinois, the surrounding states, and, indeed, other big cities like Houston are awash in guns, but they don’t have the homicide rate.

We can look at cities in the US where CCW is allowed with those where guns have been banned. In 2011, Houston — both the city and the state of Texas have CCW laws — had the lowest crime rate in 50 years. According to FBI crimes statistics, the number of murders in Houston went from 269 in 2010 to 198 in 2011 — a 22% decrease. By contrast, Chicago, which had a gun ban, had 440 murders in 2010.

Houston’s murder rate in 2011 was 3.24 per 100,000 residents while Chicago’s was 16.33 per 100,000 residents.

Resist We Much on February 4, 2013 at 10:37 AM

“We live in Chicago, and one of the reasons we have such a huge problem in this city is that all around us are areas with weak laws and with very lax background checks and a lot of illegal guns flow into this city,” Axelrod told MSNBC’s Joe Scarborough. “Every law enforcement official will tell you that.”

Bare-faced lie.

Please, Mr. Axlerod, explain for the public how an Illinois FOID (firearms owner identification) card is an example of lax background checks. Please, explain how being the only state in the nation that does not allow any concealed carry fits your image of “weak” law. And, finally, tell us how Chicago managed, with the miracle of explicit legal prohibition, to eliminate the scourge of drug abuse has been eliminated.

M240H on February 4, 2013 at 10:37 AM

Gun supporters? Anybody that supports the Constitution should be a gun supporter. Speaks volumes about people like you.

Happy Nomad on February 4, 2013 at 10:36 AM

Slavery happened without anyone batting an eye about the constitution. the constitution was written by MEN, it is therefore imperfect.

nonpartisan on February 4, 2013 at 10:40 AM

Some great syntax above. I will proof-read, I will proof-read, I will proof-read, I will …

M240H on February 4, 2013 at 10:40 AM

What is happening in Chicago is not only that the murder rate is going up, but crime, including violent crime, is starting to splill over into formerly safer and lower crime areas of the city. Such as areas the local “journalists”, reporters, and wealthier residents live in. And into areas that tourists and conventioneers frequent.

Obviously the solution to the problem is more gun control, according to the mayor and his lap dog police chief.

farsighted on February 4, 2013 at 10:43 AM

Even though Chicago has strong gun laws, it cannot stop criminals and thugs from procuring their weapons from neighboring states with less stringent gun laws…this fact seems to escape gun supporters

nonpartisan on February 4, 2013 at 10:32 AM

It’s weird how those neighbouring states, with their less stringent gun laws, don’t have crime rates like Chicago, isn’t it? I mean, according to gun-grabbers like yourself, stricter gun control laws reduces crime. Thus, Chicago should have a very low crime rate and the states of Indiana, Wisconsin, Missouri, and Iowa should have very high crime rates; yet, it is the EXACT opposite.

Here’s an idea: Maybe, it is the CULTURE OF CHICAGO where the failed Blue Model has been in place for DECADES. Perhaps, it might have something to do with the decimation of the black family since the “War on Poverty” started. And, it just might be the perverse societal thinking that welfare is good and there is no value in work.

A Tale of Two Liberal Wars…

The Vietnam War – 1965-1973

KIAs: 58,175

Casualties: 153,303

Cost: $133 billion

Vietnam War Memorial: 246.9 feet by 10.1 feet

War on Poverty – 1965 -

KIA: untold millions

Casualties: untold millions

Cost: More than $18.9 trillion

War on Poverty Memorial: Insufficient funds, building materials, and space

The “War on Poverty” is the only war that I can think of where Progressives demand ESCALATION in the face of mountains of evidence demonstrating abject defeat.

Resist We Much on February 4, 2013 at 10:45 AM

Ah yes, the suburbs – all soccer moms and illegal gun dealers. They’re a menace. We need to bulldoze them and build more ghettos.

CorporatePiggy on February 4, 2013 at 10:46 AM

+1 HN @10:35

cmsinaz on February 4, 2013 at 10:48 AM

A man immigrates to America from the Middle East. One day he calls his family and asks them how things are going. His mother answers that things are just awful. The man’s two brothers are constantly finding themselves in gun fights. The man’s sister has to stay at home for fear that she will be raped if she goes out on the streets. After several minutes of screaming in their native tongue, the man’s mother asks- Why did we have to move to Chicago?

Happy Nomad on February 4, 2013 at 10:50 AM

…so why is JugEars flying to Minisoda today?

KOOLAID2 on February 4, 2013 at 10:51 AM

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Coweta, Oklahoma, police say intermediate school ‘building is secure’ – @NBCNews

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canopfor on February 4, 2013 at 10:52 AM

If the St. Valentine’s Day Massacre happened today it would be a one day story nationally if the day was a slow one, and then never mentioned again outside of Chicago…
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The leftist have won the war in that city and they now know what works… Time to ramp up the same plan on a national level.

RalphyBoy on February 4, 2013 at 10:55 AM

Results for #guncontrol

https://twitter.com/search?q=%23guncontrol

canopfor on February 4, 2013 at 10:55 AM

Slavery happened without anyone batting an eye about the constitution. the constitution was written by MEN, it is therefore imperfect.

nonpartisan on February 4, 2013 at 10:40 AM

Another lie. There is a long history of abolitionism in America that even pre-dates the Constitution. Saying that “no one batted an eye” over the institution is flat-out lying. Dumbing down the truth may work with low-information voters but it won’t work on anybody with a couple of brain cells to rub together.

Moreover, the right to keep and bear arms is specifically mentioned. There is nothing in the Constitution that makes slavery into a right. You have as much legitimate knowledge of the Constitution as your rat-eared idol.

Happy Nomad on February 4, 2013 at 10:55 AM

Obama’s home turf,……………Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm..!

canopfor on February 4, 2013 at 10:59 AM

If anyone is good at throwing around BS, it’s Axelturf. As usual, it’s NEVER the policy faults of the Democratic regime, it’s always some one else who is to blame.

NEWS FLASH! The suburbs have the same FEDERAL laws to follow regarding the purchase of firearms. Or weren’t you aware of that David?

Perhaps it’s time to use Democratic logic to solve the problem. Get some bulldozers and level Chicago and Detroit.

Bet that will solve the problem overnight!

GarandFan on February 4, 2013 at 11:00 AM

UpDate:

Report: Superintendent’s office says student commits suicide at intermediate school in Coweta, Oklahoma – @KRMGtulsa

2 mins ago from http://www.krmg.com by editor

canopfor on February 4, 2013 at 11:02 AM

Even though Chicago has strong gun laws, it cannot stop criminals and thugs from procuring their weapons from neighboring states with less stringent gun laws…this fact seems to escape gun supporters.

nonpartisan on February 4, 2013 at 10:32 AM

Even though the U.S. has strong drug laws, it cannot stop criminals and thugs from procuring their narcotics from neighboring countries with more stringent drug laws…this fact seems to escape Liberals.

See what I did there?

M240H on February 4, 2013 at 11:02 AM

See what I did there?

M240H on February 4, 2013 at 11:02 AM

Nah. “Nonpartisan” (lol!) is covering her/his eyes and frantically shouting “La, la, la, I can’t see it!”

Resist We Much on February 4, 2013 at 11:18 AM

“We live in Chicago, and one of the reasons we have such a huge problem in this city is that all around us are areas with weak laws and with very lax background checks and a lot of illegal guns flow into this city,”

Because, you know, Kenilworth is SUCH a hotbed of criminal activity…especially guns flowing toward the city.
Meh!

herm2416 on February 4, 2013 at 11:19 AM

Leave it to liberals like Axelrod and the ghoulish trolls here to make excuses for the crime rate in Chicago. Their whole notion, to comfort themselves and condemn others, is to say if everyone were just as ‘enlightened’ as they are, the world would be better.

Bullsnot!

The reason the Chicago anti-gun laws are a failure is not only the built-in nature of failure to the idea, but that they’re not enforcing the laws already on the books. There is no effort made to sweep for illegal guns, like NYC’s former stop-and-frisk law. But Rahm&Co will go hell-bent to try taking legal guns.

Chicago is proof that liberal ideas don’t work, and liberals can’t handle that.

Liam on February 4, 2013 at 11:27 AM

I actually did a search on this and the rates I came up with, for 1928, were lower than the 2011 rate in Chicago. The stats were for Cook County and not just Chicago, and it was interesting the population remained close to the same. One thing worth noting was, in 1928, the Thompson Submachine Gun was legal and now it is not. For those who believe banning assault weapons the Thompson was the assault weapon of its day, fully automatic and all.

bflat879 on February 4, 2013 at 11:40 AM

is this site still working?

DanMan on February 4, 2013 at 11:50 AM

Chicago doesn’t have a gun problem it has a Black behavior problem. Since this cannot be addressed ineffective commentary and useless campaigns to attack false causes will continue.

Mason on February 4, 2013 at 11:59 AM

Why aren’t other similarly sized cites having the same issue – don’t they also have suburbs?

Galt2009 on February 4, 2013 at 12:13 PM

These gang murders on the South Side have been going on since I was a kid there back in the 1960s.

I truly believe the Democrat Machine has a deal with black South Side leaders: keep the war in your precincts and we will send you money and keep hands off.

PattyJ on February 4, 2013 at 12:17 PM

Sandyhook dad you`ll have to take my guns from my cold dead hands
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wAYLr6u2FyY&feature=player_detailpage

Southern by choice22 on February 4, 2013 at 12:22 PM

The idiots in Chicago keep voting for the people who have disarmed them and made them defenseless, so F ‘em. I’m supposed to care? Why?

woodNfish on February 4, 2013 at 12:27 PM

“When the president shows up, it shows ultimate national seriousness,” said Jackson, a Chicago resident. He also called for the U.S. Department of Homeland Security to help patrol the streets of Chicago.

Hmmmmmm.

Is this the same Dept. of Homeland Security that has recently procured 7000 full-auto assault weapons and BILLIONS of rounds of ammunition?

How convenient.

hillbillyjim on February 4, 2013 at 12:58 PM

Hey Axelrod. If you want to give credit where credit is due, blame the Great Society programs of your party and the ultra-corrupt machine that has run Chi-town for decades and is also of — yep, you guessed it — YOUR DEMOCRAT PARTY.

You people are rotted to the core of your being.

hillbillyjim on February 4, 2013 at 1:01 PM

Even though Chicago has strong gun laws, it cannot stop criminals and thugs from procuring their weapons from neighboring states with less stringent gun laws…this fact seems to escape gun supporters

nonpartisan on February 4, 2013 at 10:32 AM

Excellent point. Indiana and Iowa are killing grounds that would make pol pot smile.

acyl72 on February 4, 2013 at 1:19 PM

“We live in Chicago, and one of the reasons we have such a huge problem in this city is that all around us are areas with weak laws and with very lax background checks and a lot of illegal guns flow into this city,” Axelrod told MSNBC’s Joe Scarborough. “Every law enforcement official will tell you that.”

A)Don’t the gun buyers and owners in the suburbs have to get a ‘Firearms Owner’s ID’ (FOID) before they can purchase or own a gun in ALL of Illinois? Does the issuing authority use a more relaxed standard when granting permission to a Chicago suburbanite to own a gun?
That sounds somewhat fishy.

B)EVERY person who purchases a gun from a dealer -in a store or at a gun show – is required to pass an “instant background check” before taking possession of the gun.
Is Axeldoof trying to say that the FBI has less stringent standards for gun-buyers from the Chicago suburbs?

C)Why is it that the suburbs of Chicago – which are, apparently, awash in guns bought under less stringent regulations (according to axeldoof) – NOT experiencing the same or larger numbers of murders as the Gun-Free Zone that is the utopia of Chicago?

Solaratov on February 4, 2013 at 1:27 PM

Is this the same Dept. of Homeland Security that has recently procured 7000 full-auto assault weapons and BILLIONS of rounds of ammunition?

How convenient.

hillbillyjim on February 4, 2013 at 12:58 PM

Those aren’t “assault weapons. Oh, no, no.

Those are “Personal Defense Weapons”.

And DHS is getting them because they are “well-suited for use in a defensive situation.”

J-Nap said so.

Solaratov on February 4, 2013 at 1:31 PM

Even though Chicago has strong gun laws, it cannot stop criminals and thugs from procuring their weapons from neighboring states with less stringent gun laws…this fact seems to escape gun supporters

nonpartisan on February 4, 2013 at 10:32 AM

BWAHAHAHAhahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Sorry, partisan pansy. There is absolutely NO excuse for this degree of stupidity from someone – supposedly – intelligent enough to register at HotAir. (Unless you’re here as a result of an ADA lawsuit or HA outreach to the not-very-bright community)
The laws concerning interstate purchase of firearms are easily available on the internet. I’d suggest you avail yourself of them before you make yourself look more stupid than you do and become an even greater laughingstock than you already are by such a display of ignorance.

Solaratov on February 4, 2013 at 1:42 PM

Excellent point. Indiana and Iowa are killing grounds that would make pol pot smile.

acyl72 on February 4, 2013 at 1:19 PM

Yes, it is only the existing, albeit inadequate, gun controls in place in Chicago — which the evil gun owners, Republicans, and conservatives are trying to further undermine — that keeps the worst of the unbelievable and unthinkable violence in the regions surrounding Chicago and Illinois out. Imagine how high the Chicago murder rates would be if that happened. Hillary’s old home, the suburb of Park Ridge, adjacent to Chicago, has become a virtual lawless hell hole compared to Chicago.

Sadly, because they cannot push through more sensible gun control laws, they are left with having to pass out T-shirts saying “Stop the Violence” and demonstrate in the streets of Chicago holding signs that say the same and things like “The violence must end”. This and gun buybacks are the only things they have left to try to stop the insanity filtering in from the suburbs and surrounding areas.

farsighted on February 4, 2013 at 2:19 PM

Certain types of crime decreased during the Capone era. Big Al disliked rapists, kidnappers and pedophiles and often sent his own men to pick them up before the police did. Scumbags who kidnapped children got their hands smashed in doorjambs. Rapists got their junk cut off. Al Capone was the best “mayor” Chicago ever had.

CrustyB on February 4, 2013 at 2:44 PM

Ironically the only guy to curb inner city shootings and overall crime was Giuliani… the anti-Christ of the left and minorities.

Odie1941 on February 4, 2013 at 3:50 PM

Keep voting democrat you godless reprobates!

tom daschle concerned on February 4, 2013 at 7:51 PM

Ed is mentioned in other Blogs! This is great.

When Chicago was White, even during the worse of ’30s it was never like this. There we not “no go areas for Whites” or vast areas of the city looking like Mogadishu.

Bulletchaser on February 4, 2013 at 8:34 PM

Even though Chicago has strong gun laws, it cannot stop criminals and thugs from procuring their weapons from neighboring states with less stringent gun laws…this fact seems to escape gun supporters

nonpartisan on February 4, 2013 at 10:32 AM

I call this the “tightening ratchet of gun restrictions”.

Step 1: When gun laws are uniform throughout a jurisdiction, particularly blue areas claim that they need to have more restrictive gun laws because their locality has special, local needs. So these special, tighter gun laws are passed.

Step 2: When crime goes up in those areas with more restrictive gun laws, they state categorically that this is not due to the failure of those laws, but because neighboring areas have lax laws, allowing guns from outside to flood in to the blue area and cause crime. So the other areas’ laws are made uniform with the blue areas, so everyone is as restricted as the most restrictive area.

Step 3: Return to Step 1.

Socratease on February 4, 2013 at 9:02 PM