Reid going modular on gun control

posted at 2:01 pm on February 4, 2013 by Ed Morrissey

Harry Reid finds himself stuck between his gun-rights voters and the NRA on one side of the current gun-control debate, and the White House and Dianne Feinstein on the other.  How can he proceed without angering either?  The Wall Street Journal reports that Reid will schedule a gun-control bill that focuses on background checks and magazine capacities for semiautomatic weapons — but will leave open the amendment process:

Senate Democratic leaders expect a gun bill to move to the Senate floor that includes most of the proposals backed by President Barack Obama, with the notable exception of a ban on military-style, semiautomatic weapons, a top aide to Majority Leader Harry Reid of Nevada said.

The bill would likely seek to limit the capacity of ammunition magazines; expand background checks to include sales at gun shows and other private transactions; and require better record keeping to keep guns out of the hands of those with mental illnesses. It would also try to curb gun sales in states with more relaxed gun laws to buyers in states with stricter laws.

The proposed “assault weapons” ban has become “unrealistic,” according to an aide to Reid, and he will peel it out of the overall bill before bringing it to a floor vote.  However, that will leave Reid open to a charge of retreat, especially after the backpedal on filibuster reform last month.  That’s where the amendments come into play:

The goal is to get the bill to the Senate floor next month, at which point lawmakers could then seek to amend the legislation by adding a ban on certain semiautomatic weapons or other provisions, the aide said.

According to the terms of the rules reform, both the majority and minority get at least two amendments to each bill.  If Reid wants to allow more, he should be able to do so within the rules, but two will probably be all he needs.  Feinstein can then offer an amendment to add the assault-weapons ban back into the bill, which will go to a floor vote.

Why does this matter?  Basically, it gives Democrats in the Senate — especially red-state Democrats like Mark Pryor, Kay Hagan, and others facing voters in 2014 — the opportunity to cast a high-profile vote against the ban without damaging the core bill.  In fact, it wouldn’t surprise me at this point if the magazine capacity issue got broken out into a separate amendment, if that loses steam in the Senate, so that they can do the same with that issue.  The assault-weapons ban probably won’t get 40 votes in a separate floor vote.

This is quite a clever move by Reid.  Public polling shows that voters aren’t keen on the assault-weapons ban but want background checks expanded and intensified.  Reid is protecting the most vulnerable Democrats by letting them split their vote so that the red-state Democrats can claim that they blocked the gun banners in Washington, perhaps diluting a GOP attack line next year.


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I wouldn’t trust Harry Reid any further than I could throw Roseanne Barr!!

Katfish on February 4, 2013 at 2:03 PM

I DO NOT trust the govt not to turn universal backround checks into a defacto registry.

Hard Right on February 4, 2013 at 2:06 PM

The NRA deserves the man who should have gone to a creche, not remain in the senate.

The fools of NV deserve him too.

Schadenfreude on February 4, 2013 at 2:08 PM

More divide and conquer tactics. Look for the AWB being reintroduced, not just on this bill, but tacked on to every “continuing resolution” spending bill coming down the pike. It’s a tactic Ted Kennedy used repeatedly to try to ram gun control measures through in the Seventies and Eighties, and Feinstein worships his memory with even more fervor than Kerry does.

Also, don’t be surprised if The One takes a page from George Herbert Walker Bush’s book and bans “ugly guns” from being imported- or even sold in interstate commerce- by Executive Order.

It isn’t only Democrats who have bad ideas. And just because someone has an (R) next to their name doesn’t mean they know what they’re talking about.

clear ether

eon

eon on February 4, 2013 at 2:09 PM

Bill of Rights. End of Story.

To Hades with all who don’t respect it.

Schadenfreude on February 4, 2013 at 2:09 PM

The government lies.

Mr. Arrogant on February 4, 2013 at 2:09 PM

No to ‘universal background checks’. Absolutely NO. Its a trojan horse.

CorporatePiggy on February 4, 2013 at 2:12 PM

For anyone in the Houston area, Piers Morgan is doing his show tonight from Tactical Firearms in Katy at 8:00 CST (per the radio). The Nuge may show up as may TX attorney general Greg Abbott.

TxAnn56 on February 4, 2013 at 2:12 PM

Enough of this charade. Let’s get this party started.

rayra on February 4, 2013 at 2:17 PM

Gun control a-la-carte.

But it still tastes like @)#$*.

Socratease on February 4, 2013 at 2:19 PM

They can claim anything they want, but the NRA can’t be fooled, and this issue will come up in the midterm elections.

lea on February 4, 2013 at 2:20 PM

Bill of Rights. End of Story.

To Hades with all who don’t respect it.

Schadenfreude on February 4, 2013 at 2:09 PM

Those with the Guns control the bill of rights.

Guess who gets their guns taken away?

We do.

portlandon on February 4, 2013 at 2:21 PM

I wouldn’t trust Harry Reid any further than I could throw Roseanne Barr!!

Katfish on February 4, 2013 at 2:03 PM

I wouldn’t trust Harry Reid any further than I could throw Chris Christie.

Happy Nomad on February 4, 2013 at 2:21 PM

For anyone in the Houston area, Piers Morgan is doing his show tonight from Tactical Firearms in Katy at 8:00 CST (per the radio). The Nuge may show up as may TX attorney general Greg Abbott.

TxAnn56 on February 4, 2013 at 2:12 PM

I’d bet 10,000 Romney Dollars he has a personal protection detail…that’s how these gun grabbers roll.

CorporatePiggy on February 4, 2013 at 2:23 PM

Ahhhhh, yes.

More gun Control crap…..

Does ANYONE in DC want to ask Harry, Where’e the Effing BUDGET!!!??

ToddPA on February 4, 2013 at 2:24 PM

For anyone in the Houston area, Piers Morgan is doing his show tonight from Tactical Firearms in Katy at 8:00 CST (per the radio). The Nuge may show up as may TX attorney general Greg Abbott.

TxAnn56 on February 4, 2013 at 2:12 PM

Hope Atty. Gen. Abbott goes and schools & filets the ignorant pissant subject of the crown Morgan.

God Bless Texas

workingclass artist on February 4, 2013 at 2:24 PM

Cadaverous ahole. Thanks for making everything unavailable, there isn’t shiite out there anymore except .40 home defense ammo and cheap garbage-ass Syntec AR mags selling for stupidly ridiculous prices. Cabelas has a jillion of them at $30 a pop, a trash mag worth about $8.

F**k you and every other liberal ahole doing this to America.

Bishop on February 4, 2013 at 2:26 PM

I have to wonder if this will even help the bill. Gun control is starting to slip out of public consciousness… Souperbowls and what not.

Gatsu on February 4, 2013 at 2:27 PM

“If you are for gun control, then you are not against guns, because the guns will be needed to disarm people. So it’s not that you’re anti-gun. You’ll need the police’s guns to take away other people’s guns. So you’re very Pro-Gun, you just believe that only the government (which is, of course, so reliable, honest, moral and virtuous) should be allowed to have guns. There is no such thing as gun control. There is only centralizing gun ownership in the hands of a small, political elite and their minions.”

Stefan Molyneux

Washington Nearsider on February 4, 2013 at 2:29 PM

The ox should focus on his duties, alas.

Also, courtesy of good ol’ Dr. Zero.

Schadenfreude on February 4, 2013 at 2:29 PM

It would also try to curb gun sales in states with more relaxed gun laws to buyers in states with stricter laws.

That sounds like another do-nothing kind of thing. When I lived in NJ, and if I sought to buy a firearm or ammo in PA, I had to have proper NJ identification. That was a state-issued ID card for ammo and long guns. To buy a handgun, I needed a separate permit, which could only be granted if I already had the ID card. The handgun permit in NJ at the time allowed the purchase of only one handgun, and it was good for 90 days. To buy a second handgun, I had to apply for a second permit for it. I don’t know if all states operate the same way, but gun dealers seem to be meticulous when it comes to the laws of other states.

Seems the gun-grabbers in Congress aren’t going to get more than window dressing.

Liam on February 4, 2013 at 2:30 PM

Background checks

The Gun Control Debate
http://jpfo.org/articles-assd03/heller-gun-control-debate.htm

Background checks are a placebo, a useless “feel good” drug, to placate the citizens, and make them think that we are prohibiting criminals and lunatics from getting guns. People in their right minds, understand that criminals do not obey laws, ergo the designation, “criminal”.

What folks who are not part of the gun culture do not realize, is that registration is the holy grail of gun control. Once you have all guns registered, you can control them. If a significant number of the guns in a society are not known, they cannot be controlled. The same is true of ammunition. Own a list of the people who have it, and you own the people’s behavior. It’s that simple.

One of the most important things we could do as Americans in terms of staying free, is making sure that government does NOT know who is armed, and with what they are armed.

Given that the 2nd amendment is a defense against tyranny, why would you want the government in control of that defense?

Wouldn’t that seem to be an extreme conflict of interest?

Because if you need permission from the government to exercise one of you God-given rights, hasn’t that right been effectively extinguished?

Galt2009 on February 4, 2013 at 2:35 PM

How can they enforce an expansion of background checks to include gun shows and private sales, without a registration of all firearms?

How is anyone going to know if I sell a gun to someone without doing a background check, unless they know I had the gun, and then they know he now has the gun?

Registration is what they want.
That makes confiscation easier.

Start writing and calling your Congress critters, people!

Dexter_Alarius on February 4, 2013 at 2:36 PM

Slightly OT

The good citizens of BALTIMORE looted 7-11′s and other
assorted sitting targets..

..apparently these Dumb Azzes don’t know whether they
Won or Lost…

ToddPA on February 4, 2013 at 2:36 PM

Given that the 2nd amendment is a defense against tyranny, why would you want the government in control of that defense?

Wouldn’t that seem to be an extreme conflict of interest?

Because if you need permission from the government to exercise one of you God-given rights, hasn’t that right been effectively extinguished?

Galt2009 on February 4, 2013 at 2:35 PM

If you’re a leftie, the answer is ‘because only the government can be entrusted with such power.’

If you’re a rational human being, the answer is ‘hell yes, that’s a conflict of interest.’

And yes, needing ‘permission’ to exercise our natural (God-given) rights means they’re no longer ‘natural.’ Instead of being endowed by our Creator, we can only be endowed by the State.

I’ll opt out, thanks.

Washington Nearsider on February 4, 2013 at 2:39 PM

Dexter_Alarius on February 4, 2013 at 2:36 PM

Better yet how will they know I didn’t sell it before the new law came into effect.

Not to mention the ungodly stupid part which is that a father would need to background his own son to pass on a single-shot .22 rifle, when all the boy would need to say is “Oh I’m just borrowing it.”

Bishop on February 4, 2013 at 2:39 PM

Dexter_Alarius on February 4, 2013 at 2:36 PM

That is all I have been doing here in MD. And our illustrious leaders here are pushing for something worse than what NY has had hoisted upon it.

Gatsu on February 4, 2013 at 2:40 PM

No to ‘universal background checks’. Absolutely NO. Its a trojan horse.

CorporatePiggy on February 4, 2013 at 2:12 PM

The ugly truth is that the proppressives know that the last massacre won’t be the last massacre..

They are going to try and milk whatever they can out this time around and go for more the next time.

UBC’s will simply punish those who do not commit crimes and empower those who do – in and out of the government.

Ask the leftists for stats on registration cutting down crime – they won’t be provided.

This is just their little Incremental-ism game to destroy the 2nd amendment and the Constitution.

Galt2009 on February 4, 2013 at 2:42 PM

That is all I have been doing here in MD. And our illustrious leaders here are pushing for something worse than what NY has had hoisted upon it.

Gatsu on February 4, 2013 at 2:40 PM

MN has you beat, I’ll bet. We do crazy here in a special special way.

Bishop on February 4, 2013 at 2:44 PM

Ugh….

What part of

Shall.
Not.
Be.
Infringed.

…do these tools not get?!?!

TheAdmiral on February 4, 2013 at 2:46 PM

How can they enforce an expansion of background checks to include gun shows and private sales, without a registration of all firearms?

How is anyone going to know if I sell a gun to someone without doing a background check, unless they know I had the gun, and then they know he now has the gun?

Registration is what they want.
That makes confiscation easier.

Start writing and calling your Congress critters, people!

Dexter_Alarius on February 4, 2013 at 2:36 PM

Registration will be their next step – you can make book on it.

Fact is, they have NO AUTHORITY to impose this kind of control on your property.

Ask yourself – if they can assert control like that on firearms, what else will they want to tax and control?

Start writing and calling your Congress critters, people!

Yes, now would be a time to let your voices be heard.

Galt2009 on February 4, 2013 at 2:47 PM

Ask yourself – if they can assert control like that on firearms, what else will they want to tax and control?

Galt2009 on February 4, 2013 at 2:47 PM

Well, what we eat and smoke is taxed and controlled, who we sleep with won’t be far off and what activities we participate in is probably in the near future too.

After all, everyone who pays taxes is now paying for the health care of everyone in America. That gives ‘the people’ a say in how the people who spend our money live their lives.

Washington Nearsider on February 4, 2013 at 2:49 PM

Something tells me these red state Dems are going to have a hard time explaining any votes they cast on gun control. It really comes down to crafting poor, emotion-driven policy.

frode on February 4, 2013 at 2:49 PM

So Dingy is going to leave this bill open to amendments, is he?

Okay.

Amend it with a national Voter ID requirement.

And watch the Dems kill the bill.

M240H on February 4, 2013 at 2:51 PM

…. Thanks for making everything unavailable, there isn’t shiite out there anymore except .40 home defense ammo and cheap garbage-ass Syntec AR mags selling for stupidly ridiculous prices. Bishop on February 4, 2013 at 2:26 PM

One thing this little excercise has taught me Bishop, is I don’t want ANYTHING chambered in 40SW.

If that is all that is left on the shelf, it is apparent no one else does either!

Tenwheeler on February 4, 2013 at 2:52 PM

The good citizens of BALTIMORE looted 7-11′s and other
assorted sitting targets..

..apparently these Dumb Azzes don’t know whether they
Won or Lost…

ToddPA on February 4, 2013 at 2:36 PM

It really didn’t matter. Win, lose, or draw something in Baltimore was going to be looted.

Happy Nomad on February 4, 2013 at 2:54 PM

The Senate GOP needs to filibuster everything unlit the Senate democrats pass a budget. This sh!t is getting old. The fiscal health of our nation is deteriorating by the day and this is the crap our ‘leaders’ are focusing on. ENOUGH!

jawkneemusic on February 4, 2013 at 2:54 PM

One thing this little excercise has taught me Bishop, is I don’t want ANYTHING chambered in 40SW.

If that is all that is left on the shelf, it is apparent no one else does either!

Tenwheeler on February 4, 2013 at 2:52 PM

My M&P .40 and I thank you for allowing me to hoard rounds like a chipmunk before winter.

Because make no mistake, Winter is Coming.

Washington Nearsider on February 4, 2013 at 2:55 PM

It would also try to curb gun sales in states with more relaxed gun laws to buyers in states with stricter laws.

Texas and Houston both have CCW laws. Chicago has some of the most restrictive gun control laws in the country. How did that work out in 2011:

Houston’s murder rate was 3.24 per 100,000 residents while Chicago’s was 16.33 per 100,000 residents.

Here’s an idea: Maybe, it isn’t the guns.

Gun Control: The Soft Bigotry Of Low Expectations

M2RB: Elvis Presley

Resist We Much on February 4, 2013 at 2:56 PM

Something tells me these red state Dems are going to have a hard time explaining any votes they cast on gun control. It really comes down to crafting poor, emotion-driven policy.

frode on February 4, 2013 at 2:49 PM

Same goes for amnesty. A Dem congressman in red state WV has come out against it.

TxAnn56 on February 4, 2013 at 2:59 PM

As to the expanded background checks, since Acting AG Holder during the Clinton Administration was found to be illegally keeping records of background checks, let’s have an audit of the insta check program first to see if he is again violating the law. Maybe this time he can be charged, since F&F didn’t seem to stick to him and insta check laws were violated then.

And why not also check out if the report I have read on gun expert Bob Owne’s blog that unless you have an FFL number you cannot do a backrground check per present law. I would assume to keep people from checking up on people’s history.

amr on February 4, 2013 at 3:13 PM

When will there be background checks on 1st-Amendment Rights?
Oh, wait, wouldn’t that be called an Unconstitutional Prior Restraint?

Another Drew on February 4, 2013 at 3:17 PM

When will there be background checks on 1st-Amendment Rights?
Oh, wait, wouldn’t that be called an Unconstitutional Prior Restraint?

Another Drew on February 4, 2013 at 3:17 PM

Good point – Unconstitutional Prior Restraint also works on the 2nd amendment.

Its’ a two-fer in Unconstitutionality.

Galt2009 on February 4, 2013 at 3:22 PM

When will there be background checks on 1st-Amendment Rights?
Oh, wait, wouldn’t that be called an Unconstitutional Prior Restraint?

Another Drew on February 4, 2013 at 3:17 PM

I’d be happy with a potential TV reporter being required to pass a psych eval.

Liam on February 4, 2013 at 3:22 PM

It would also try to curb gun sales in states with more relaxed gun laws to buyers in states with stricter laws.

Texas and Houston both have CCW laws. Chicago has some of the most restrictive gun control laws in the country. How did that work out in 2011:

Houston’s murder rate was 3.24 per 100,000 residents while Chicago’s was 16.33 per 100,000 residents.

Here’s an idea: Maybe, it isn’t the guns.

Gun Control: The Soft Bigotry Of Low Expectations

M2RB: Elvis Presley

Resist We Much on February 4, 2013 at 2:56 PM

Excelant point – the gun grabbers can’t seem to explain why there is a difference between those cities.

Of course, they can’t explain away most of their LIES – hence the reason why the 1st amendment will soon be in their crosshairs..

Galt2009 on February 4, 2013 at 3:25 PM

It would also try to curb gun sales in states with more relaxed gun laws to buyers in states with stricter laws.

Texas and Houston both have CCW laws. Chicago has some of the most restrictive gun control laws in the country. How did that work out in 2011:

Houston’s murder rate was 3.24 per 100,000 residents while Chicago’s was 16.33 per 100,000 residents.

Here’s an idea: Maybe, it isn’t the guns.

Gun Control: The Soft Bigotry Of Low Expectations

M2RB: Elvis Presley

Resist We Much on February 4, 2013 at 2:56 PM

It’s because the criminals in Chicago go to crazy states like Texas, where you can literally buy guns at convenience stores without background checks, and take them back to Chicago by the hundreds. Or something.

/really necessary?

stvnscott on February 4, 2013 at 3:28 PM

For anyone in the Houston area, Piers Morgan is doing his show tonight from Tactical Firearms in Katy at 8:00 CST (per the radio). The Nuge may show up as may TX attorney general Greg Abbott.

TxAnn56 on February 4, 2013 at 2:12 PM

Hope Atty. Gen. Abbott goes and schools & filets the ignorant pissant subject of the crown Morgan.

God Bless Texas

workingclass artist on February 4, 2013 at 2:24 PM

!!!!!!! – I happen to live 1.2 miles from this location – as I understand it the local media has been alerted SO “madhouse crowd conditions” are likely – I do plan to hop on my Harley and go check it out…………..

Katfish on February 4, 2013 at 3:29 PM

I don’t know if all states operate the same way, but gun dealers seem to be meticulous when it comes to the laws of other states.

Seems the gun-grabbers in Congress aren’t going to get more than window dressing.

Liam on February 4, 2013 at 2:30 PM

No, Liam, a lot of the country doesn’t require a permit at all to purchase a firearm. Thank goodness. For now, anyway……

GWB on February 4, 2013 at 3:29 PM

Its disgusting how much time, effort, and money is spent trying to strip us of our rights. It’d be nice if someone would spend a little time trying to expand our rights. Like maybe undoing the 80′s era ban on automatic weapons. Making getting an FFL easier. Eliminating fees, etc.

Iblis on February 4, 2013 at 3:30 PM

Tenwheeler on February 4, 2013 at 2:52 PM

I have a Taurus .40 that I bought to try out the round, I didn’t find anything special about it that would lead me away from .45 or the Europellet for either stopping power or ease of carry.

Cabelas has shelf after shelf of .40 handguns but nary a 9mm to be seen.

Bishop on February 4, 2013 at 3:31 PM

No, Liam, a lot of the country doesn’t require a permit at all to purchase a firearm. Thank goodness. For now, anyway……

GWB on February 4, 2013 at 3:29 PM

I like that a whole lot better, actually. In NJ at the time, it was all sheriff’s discretion, really. So, if he had a fight with the wife the night before…

Liam on February 4, 2013 at 3:34 PM

A bit O/T but this is just what I would expect from ron paul! I am so happy he isn’t going to be running again here in TX. That man stinks to say such a thing as this!

http://twitchy.com/2013/02/04/disgusting-ron-paul-attacks-murder-victim-war-hero-chris-kyle/
L

letget on February 4, 2013 at 3:38 PM

Cabelas has shelf after shelf of .40 handguns but nary a 9mm to be seen.

Bishop on February 4, 2013 at 3:31 PM

Bishop I love my Glock23 (mid size .40) – and you are spot ON about 9mm weapons (not to mention ammo!)

I reckon I have several hundred rounds mixed FMJ & JHP – but I’d like to gather some more……….availability and my cash flow don’t often match up well………

Katfish on February 4, 2013 at 3:42 PM

http://twitchy.com/2013/02/04/disgusting-ron-paul-attacks-murder-victim-war-hero-chris-kyle/
L

letget on February 4, 2013 at 3:38 PM

I just heard that on the radio and nearly lost my lunch.

juliesa on February 4, 2013 at 4:10 PM

http://twitchy.com/2013/02/04/disgusting-ron-paul-attacks-murder-victim-war-hero-chris-kyle/
L

letget on February 4, 2013 at 3:38 PM

The Paul Pot needs to shut up already:

Bradley Manning: Hero.

Chris Kyle: Deserved it.

Although I agree with Paul on 85% of issues, the remaining 15% was always just one batshit crazy bridge too far. The Paulistinians would ask me for examples of the “15%.” This statement from him is EXACTLY what I was referencing.

Resist We Much on February 4, 2013 at 4:20 PM

Ask yourself – if they can assert control like that on firearms, what else will they want to tax and control?

Galt2009 on February 4, 2013 at 2:47 PM

What does “private property” even mean when you have to “rent” your own property from the government, that is, pay annual taxes, in order to retain ownership?

Zusnn on February 4, 2013 at 6:20 PM

Get mdular on THIS After the Ravens win, some Baltimore stores were looted. The store owner was helpless to stop them and lost Lord knows how much merchandise.

johnnyU on February 4, 2013 at 7:02 PM

How about background checks and registration for elected officials who don’t follow the law and refuse to put forth a budget? Oh, yeah, that would be bigotedhomophobicmysogynisticracistskeeter to do that.

ghostwalker1 on February 4, 2013 at 7:04 PM

For anyone in the Houston area, Piers Morgan is doing his show tonight from Tactical Firearms in Katy at 8:00 CST (per the radio). The Nuge may show up as may TX attorney general Greg Abbott.

TxAnn56 on February 4, 2013 at 2:12 PM

Why are people give piece of chit more visibility? Igonre the moron and let him go away…

riddick on February 4, 2013 at 7:45 PM

Cabelas has shelf after shelf of .40 handguns but nary a 9mm to be seen.

Bishop on February 4, 2013 at 3:31 PM

Same for Bass Pro in Las Vegas. Actually, I see a number of local shops have both .40 and .45 for sale, at good prices, but not one 9mm to be had.

riddick on February 4, 2013 at 7:48 PM

SHALL
NOT
BE
INFRINGED

TX-96 on February 4, 2013 at 8:11 PM

Piers Morgan showed (snuck in the back and out the back like the weasel he is)

TX AG showed also – but no public comment at least not before I left

Alex Jones showed up and went inside briefly – then came back out and ‘held court’ with the crowd and local TV media (the guy’s a bit extreme for this ole Katfish but hey it takes all kinds n’est ce pas?)

Katfish on February 4, 2013 at 8:30 PM

…Harry Reid needs to shoot himself.

KOOLAID2 on February 4, 2013 at 10:29 PM