Quotes of the day

posted at 10:21 pm on February 4, 2013 by Erika Johnsen

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With his gun proposals dividing Congress, President Barack Obama took his case for universal background checks and for banning some military-style weapons to the upper Midwest on Monday, looking to build public support for his measures and to apply pressure on lawmakers.

Obama argued that there’s bipartisan support for a system to undertake criminal checks on gun buyers and for gun trafficking laws but, acknowledging the political challenges he faces, would only say that the assault weapons ban deserves a vote in Congress.

‘‘We don’t have to agree on everything to agree it’s time to do something,’’ he said. …

‘‘Changing the status quo is never easy,’’ Obama said. ‘‘This will be no exception. The only way we can reduce gun violence in this county is if it the American people decide it’s important, if you decide it’s important — parents and teachers, police officers and pastors, hunters and sportsmen, Americans of every background stand up and say, ‘This time, it’s got to be different.’’’

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Senate Democratic leaders expect a gun bill to move to the Senate floor that includes most of the proposals backed by President Barack Obama, with the notable exception of a ban on military-style, semiautomatic weapons, a top aide to Majority Leader Harry Reid of Nevada said. …

The details provide the first snapshot of how Senate Democrats plan to move forward on major gun legislation in coming weeks.

But the strategy outline also reflects a growing sense within Democratic ranks that some of the president’s most ambitious goals—particularly the call for new bans on certain types of military-style guns often described as assault weapons—may be unrealistic, the Reid aide said.

The goal is to get the bill to the Senate floor next month, at which point lawmakers could then seek to amend the legislation by adding a ban on certain semiautomatic weapons or other provisions, the aide said.

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REID: George, I’ve been supported by the NRA on occasion. I know Wayne LaPierre. He’s always been extremely pleasant to me. We have a good relationship. So I — I am not here to demean the organization.

STEPHANOPOULOS: But they are resisting almost everything you’ve talked about and we’ve talked about here, everything the president has called for.

REID: George, just because they resist it doesn’t mean we can’t do things. I mean, we have a lot of special interest groups that come and complain about things, and we don’t listen to them. We’ll listen to them and make the right decision.

STEPHANOPOULOS: But will you commit to getting something done?

REID: Yes, I definitely want to do something with immigration for sure, and I want to get something done on guns.

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David Axelrod suggested on Morning Joe that Chicago’s high rate of gun crime can be blamed on the fact that “surrounding areas” have lax gun laws. What is true here is that the guns used in Chicago crimes come from outside of Chicago, because they “don’t have gun stores in Chicago.” Many crime guns are purchased just outside the city limits, though more than half come from other states.

However, Illinois as a whole is fairly strict when it comes to guns — all gun owners must have a license, and it’s the only state in the nation that doesn’t allow concealed carry by private citizens under any circumstances. (This will change if Richard Posner’s recent ruling holds up.) I’m not sure how much stricter a state could be without running afoul of the Second Amendment. And the communities these guns come from typically have much lower crime rates than Chicago does. …

Frankly, I don’t think gun control has much to do with Chicago’s murder problem. It seems to be mostly gang-related, which means that (A) any guns that can’t be bought legally will be bought illegally and (B) arming the law-abiding won’t make much difference either, because the violence is taking place between criminals. We still should arm the law-abiding, so that they may defend themselves against burglaries and the like, but they are rarely the victims of gang murders.

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Most New Yorkers support a stringent new state law that tackles gun control, a poll out Monday showed.

According to a survey from Siena Research Institute, 65 percent of those polled back the measure, which was passed last month in the wake of the December shooting massacre in Newtown, Conn. Thirty percent are opposed. …

The legislation, the toughest in the country, took steps including banning certain kinds of military-style weapons, reducing the ammunition quantities weapons can hold and requiring background checks to purchase bullets.

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The Arkansas House of Representatives approved a bill on Monday to allow concealed-carry permit holders to take their weapons into churches, and it is expected to be signed into law by the state’s governor.

The Church Protection Act would allow individual places of worship to decide whether to allow concealed handguns and who could carry them. The Republican-controlled House passed the bill 85-8 with bipartisan support. The measure previously passed the Republican-controlled Senate 28-4.

Arkansas joins a handful of other states, including South Carolina, Wyoming and Louisiana, that allow guns in churches, according to the National Conference of State Legislatures.

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If Idahoans, like Americans in many states, have rushed to buy guns out of fear for personal safety in the aftermath of recent mass shootings, or out of fear of tighter legal controls, then democracy has already spoken, many lawmakers said. People have voted with their pocketbooks.

“Enable them to do what they believe is right,” said State Senator Marv Hagedorn, a Republican who was designated to be his chamber’s point man on proposed gun legislation in the session that began in January, describing what he sees as his mandate. “There’s a huge call to all of us to protect the Second Amendment rights.”

Every level of government in every state is, without question, looking more closely at issues of public safety since the slaughter in Newtown, Conn., of 20 children and 6 adults in an elementary school in December. But in deeply conservative states like Idaho, where President Obama got less than 33 percent of the vote in November — one of his worst showings in the nation — the discussion of school safety is occurring behind a kind of Chinese wall, separate from the question of whether certain types of guns or high-capacity magazines are to blame. …

The Idaho Department of Education has also been meeting to talk through the new terrain of school safety, even as some districts have said that they may move ahead on their own in allowing teachers and administrators to be openly armed, as Idaho law already permits.

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According to multiple studies summarized by the Treatment Advocacy Center, these untreated mentally ill are responsible for 10% of all homicides (and a higher percentage of the mass killings), constitute 20% of jail and prison inmates and at least 30% of the homeless. Severely mentally ill individuals now inundate hospital emergency rooms and have colonized libraries, parks, train stations and other public spaces. The quality of the lives of these individuals mocks the lofty intentions of the founders of the CMHC program.

Perhaps the most remarkable aspect of this 50-year federal experiment is its inordinate cost. In 2009, 4.7 million Americans received SSI or SSDI because of mental illnesses, not including mental retardation, a tenfold increase since 1977. The total cost was $46 billion. The total Medicaid and Medicare costs for mentally ill individuals in 2005 was more than $60 billion. …

Nor is President Obama likely to do anything, since his lead agency, the Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration, has essentially denied that a problem exists. Its contribution to the president’s response to the Dec. 14 Newtown tragedy focused only on school children and insurance coverage. And its current plan of action for 2011-14, a 41,000-word document, includes no mention of schizophrenia, bipolar disorder or outpatient commitment, all essential elements in an effective plan for corrective action.


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Weird.

Axe on February 4, 2013 at 10:50 PM

O! Erika, you put 10:21 A.M., not P.M. :)

Axe on February 4, 2013 at 10:52 PM

Nice Axe!

KCB on February 4, 2013 at 10:55 PM

Sick.

Bmore on February 4, 2013 at 10:55 PM

Studios!!

Obama is good at that…

Electrongod on February 4, 2013 at 10:56 PM

I looked 2 minutes ago and i had no QOTD???

KCB on February 4, 2013 at 10:56 PM

Anti-venom…

Shapiro Talks ‘Bullies’ To Heritage Foundation

Seven Percent Solution on February 4, 2013 at 10:57 PM

Weird.

Axe on February 4, 2013 at 10:50 PM

And sick.

Bmore on February 4, 2013 at 10:58 PM

Heh. K. Now I can read the quotes without a pathetic confused look. :)

Axe on February 4, 2013 at 10:58 PM

It’s like The Purple dinosaur is in control of our freedoms and rights..

Electrongod on February 4, 2013 at 10:58 PM

Sicker

Scrumpy on February 4, 2013 at 10:58 PM

Greetings and salutations, y’all!

My prediction is the gun ban will fail.

bluegill on February 4, 2013 at 10:58 PM

Good evening guys!! :-)

Scrumpy on February 4, 2013 at 10:59 PM

Sicker

Scrumpy on February 4, 2013 at 10:58 PM

And sicker still.

Bmore on February 4, 2013 at 10:59 PM

‘‘Changing the status quo is never easy,’’ Obama said. ‘‘This will be no exception. The only way we can reduce gun violence in this county is if it the American people decide it’s important, if you decide it’s important — parents and teachers, police officers and pastors, hunters and sportsmen, Americans of every background stand up and say, ‘This time, it’s got to be different.’’’

Hey, you moron, why don’t you go to your Chicago and fix things there and then get back to us with stories about how you did it. Unless and until … … just shut the F up.

VorDaj on February 4, 2013 at 10:59 PM

Stench.

Bmore on February 4, 2013 at 10:59 PM

I looked 2 minutes ago and i had no QOTD???

KCB on February 4, 2013 at 10:56 PM

Because AP cat had an erge just after you looked..

Electrongod on February 4, 2013 at 11:00 PM

Gun anyone?

Bmore on February 4, 2013 at 11:00 PM

Good evening guys!! :-)

Scrumpy on February 4, 2013 at 10:59 PM

Good E to you…

Electrongod on February 4, 2013 at 11:00 PM

Fishing pole, gig?

Bmore on February 4, 2013 at 11:01 PM

My prediction is the gun ban will fail.

bluegill on February 4, 2013 at 10:58 PM

Yep..

Electrongod on February 4, 2013 at 11:01 PM

This is Texas…and Zero can shove his ‘gun control’ up his you-know-where!

annoyinglittletwerp on February 4, 2013 at 11:01 PM

Breadball?

Bmore on February 4, 2013 at 11:01 PM

If Idahoans, like Americans in many states, have rushed to buy guns out of fear for personal safety in the aftermath of recent mass shootings, or out of fear of tighter legal controls, then democracy has already spoken, many lawmakers said. People have voted with their pocketbooks.

Not so fast there, democracy — or better said, “self-determination.” Maybe your not so good at determining, eh? Maybe yous need the government to do the determining for you?

For a small fee. To protect yous from yourself.

Axe on February 4, 2013 at 11:01 PM

Scrumpy!

KCB on February 4, 2013 at 11:03 PM

Good evenin, gorgeous Scrumpy. ;-)

tommy71 on February 4, 2013 at 11:04 PM

I’m with you Barb! I wasn’t born here, but I got here as fast as I could!

KCB on February 4, 2013 at 11:04 PM

I looked 2 minutes ago and i had no QOTD???

KCB on February 4, 2013 at 10:56 PM

:) It was strangely disconcerting to see it down at the bottom, and everyone QOTD’ing the ad thread.

Axe on February 4, 2013 at 11:04 PM

Scrumpy on February 4, 2013 at 10:58 PM

And sicker still.

Bmore on February 4, 2013 at 10:59 PM

replugnant

SparkPlug on February 4, 2013 at 11:04 PM

Hmm…….is Rusty around? Get him in here, quick.

tommy71 on February 4, 2013 at 11:05 PM

David Axelrod suggested on Morning Joe that Chicago’s high rate of gun crime can be blamed on the fact that “surrounding areas” have lax gun laws. What is true here is that the guns used in Chicago crimes come from outside of Chicago, because they “don’t have gun stores in Chicago.” Many crime guns are purchased just outside the city limits, though more than half come from other states.

So, everyone else has to give up their guns?

Talk about the soft bigotry of low expectations.

The rest of Illinois, the surrounding states, and, indeed, other big cities like Houston are awash in guns, but they don’t have the homicide rate.

We can look at cities in the US where CCW is allowed with those where guns have been banned. In 2011, Houston — both the city and the state of Texas have CCW laws — had the lowest crime rate in 50 years. According to FBI crimes statistics, the number of murders in Houston went from 269 in 2010 to 198 in 2011 — a 22% decrease. By contrast, Chicago, which had a gun ban, had 440 murders in 2011.

Houston’s murder rate in 2011 was 3.24 per 100,000 residents while Chicago’s was 16.33 per 100,000 residents.

It’s weird how those neighbouring states, with their less stringent gun laws, don’t have crime rates like Chicago, isn’t it? I mean, according to gun-grabbers like yourself, stricter gun control laws reduces crime. Thus, Chicago should have a very low crime rate and the states of Indiana, Wisconsin, Missouri, and Iowa should have very high crime rates; yet, it is the EXACT opposite.

Here’s an idea: Maybe, it is the CULTURE OF CHICAGO where the failed Blue Model has been in place for DECADES. Perhaps, it might have something to do with the decimation of the black family since the “War on Poverty” started. And, it just might be the perverse societal thinking that welfare is good and there is no value in work.

A Tale of Two Liberal Wars…

The Vietnam War – 1965-1973

KIAs: 58,175

Casualties: 153,303

Cost: $133 billion

Vietnam War Memorial: 246.9 feet by 10.1 feet

War on Poverty – 1965 –

KIA: untold millions

Casualties: untold millions

Cost: More than $18.9 trillion

War on Poverty Memorial: Insufficient funds, building materials, and space

The “War on Poverty” is the only war that I can think of where Progressives demand ESCALATION in the face of mountains of evidence demonstrating abject defeat.

Resist We Much on February 4, 2013 at 11:05 PM

Breadball?

Bmore on February 4, 2013 at 11:01 PM

B, is your bobber moving?

KCB on February 4, 2013 at 11:05 PM

B, is your bobber moving?

KCB on February 4, 2013 at 11:05 PM

I’m sorry! that sounds disgusting!

KCB on February 4, 2013 at 11:06 PM

With his gun proposals dividing Congress, President Barack Obama took his case for universal background checks

ROFLMAO. I’m still waiting for a real background check on the Ineligible Indonesian Dog-Eating Imbecile. Fraudulent jpegs don’t count for squat. Try and buy a gun from a dealer with obviously faked jpegs of your license or a fraudulent SS number. Good luck on that.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on February 4, 2013 at 11:07 PM

Resist We Much on February 4, 2013 at 11:05 PM

Demotards don’t want to see that!

They will disarm americans as best they can.

Rights?

What are they?

Only the gov’t will give…

And take take take…

Welcome to the USSR

Scrumpy on February 4, 2013 at 11:07 PM

Ick.

Bmore on February 4, 2013 at 11:07 PM

‘Changing the status quo is never easy

this is one of those sayings that isn’t true. We live in a world of ipads, robots, blogs and many other things that were not status quo a decade or two before. My job is something that could not have been done 40 years ago. Change is good

so barry is trying the old trick to lead suckers to his scam…snake oil salesman forever

r keller on February 4, 2013 at 11:07 PM

Bmore on February 4, 2013 at 11:01 PM

B, is your bobber moving?

KCB on February 4, 2013 at 11:05 PM

No, his rod isn’t even bent.

SparkPlug on February 4, 2013 at 11:07 PM

Mobile AL. Had to stop. Hit rain. All of LA to Junction TX tomorrow, I hope.

Beautiful roads, 95 and 10. wanted seafood south but might not have the time to stop. TX BBQ, or a steak. Rumor is you may find decent both..

Google on my android has impressed me, bigtime. It works really well. Satellite pics as I drive.

wolly4321 on February 4, 2013 at 11:08 PM

KCB on February 4, 2013 at 11:06 PM

Lol it does doesn’t it!

My mind goes to the gutter sometimes, everything has an alternative meaning!

Double Entendre time!! ;-)

Scrumpy on February 4, 2013 at 11:08 PM

David Axelrod suggested on Morning Joe that Chicago’s high rate of gun crime can be blamed on the fact that “surrounding areas” have lax gun laws. What is true here is that the guns used in Chicago crimes come from outside of Chicago, because they “don’t have gun stores in Chicago.” Many crime guns are purchased just outside the city limits, though more than half come from other states.

0.1%: Percentage of the 71,000 people, who lied on their background checks in 2009 and were prosecuted by the Obama administration.

More than 45%: The decrease in the number of gun prosecutions by the Obama administration compared to the Bush administration.

Even though 93% of ALL guns used in gun-related crimes are obtained ILLEGALLY and “assault weapons” were associated with less than 323 of the 12,664 homicides (from all causes) committed in 2011, let’s pass MORE GUN CONTROL LAWS for Obama NOT TO ENFORCE!!!

Resist We Much on February 4, 2013 at 11:09 PM

SparkPlug on February 4, 2013 at 11:07 PM

:-) Hi Sparky!

KCB on February 4, 2013 at 11:09 PM

‘‘We don’t have to agree on everything to agree it’s time to do something,’’ he said. …

It’s time to get rid of the gun-free massacre zones.

FloatingRock on February 4, 2013 at 11:10 PM

wolly4321 on February 4, 2013 at 11:08 PM

God Bless you on your trip and take it easy!!!

No Texting!!

We want you here…in one piece :-)

Scrumpy on February 4, 2013 at 11:10 PM

In these early days of his second term, President Obama isn’t just promoting legislation on guns and immigration. The president and his surrogates are promoting “common-sense proposals” to keep guns out of the hands of criminals and the mentally ill, and a revamped, “common-sense” immigration system.

Get with the ‘smart’ One.

Schadenfreude on February 4, 2013 at 11:11 PM

Rusty’s Song

KCB on February 4, 2013 at 11:11 PM

buns guns nuns puns runs

tommy71 on February 4, 2013 at 11:11 PM

Heh

Schadenfreude on February 4, 2013 at 11:12 PM

KCB on February 4, 2013 at 11:09 PM

Here is a Moon bean,

0

, enjoy. I gave this many to Deputy Scrumps.

0000000000
0000000000
0000000000
0000000000…

SparkPlug on February 4, 2013 at 11:12 PM

If it sounds good to us, it sounds bloody awful to 0.

Scrumpy on February 4, 2013 at 11:12 PM

‘Changing the status quo is never easy,’’ Obama said. ‘‘This will be no exception. The only way we can reduce gun violence in this county is if it the American people decide it’s important, if you decide it’s important — parents and teachers, police officers and pastors, hunters and sportsmen, Americans of every background stand up and say, ‘This time, it’s got to be different.’’’

Everyone is for reducing gun violence, jerk. You haven’t addressed gun violence. You just keep talking about firearm restrictions.

The economy is tanking, you want to talk about health care. Someone gets shot, you want to talk about magazine capacities and bayonet mounts. You think NASA is a Muslim outreach organization, creating more pollutants is environmental stewardship, and forcing kids to gorge on pure, smuggled junk-food is a healthy lunch plan.

You’re incompetent.

Axe on February 4, 2013 at 11:12 PM

U.S. Gun Owners Outnumbered Hunters by 5 to 1 in 2011

Schadenfreude on February 4, 2013 at 11:13 PM

Greetings and salutations, y’all!

My prediction is the gun ban will fail.

bluegill on February 4, 2013 at 10:58 PM

Evening, hope you’re having a good night cause we don’t like trouble around these parts. :)

arnold ziffel on February 4, 2013 at 11:13 PM

If Idahoans, like Americans in many states, have rushed to buy guns out of fear for personal safety in the aftermath of recent mass shootings, or out of fear of tighter legal controls, then democracy has already spoken, many lawmakers said. People have voted with their pocketbooks.

Sooper-Dooper Storm Sandy and the utter ineptitude and incompetence of all levels of government to provide any basic services or protection of ANY KIND at the most important and dangerous times showed all Americans that we can only rely on ourselves when push comes to shove. That storm and the various governments’ absolutely pathetic and negligent responses pretty much sealed the argument on individual protection, aside from our Second Amendment RIGHTS and the reasons behind them to secure our own liberties against tyrannical government as we are faced with now and the cowardly branches that refuse to put any sort of barriers in front of the ineligible Sukarno knock-off.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on February 4, 2013 at 11:13 PM

SparkPlug on February 4, 2013 at 11:12 PM

Most generous too!

I wonder what I can barter Moon Beans for?

Scrumpy on February 4, 2013 at 11:13 PM

SparkPlug on February 4, 2013 at 11:12 PM

Dude these are worth, like…a lot!! Thanks! Gonna go hide it from tommy.

KCB on February 4, 2013 at 11:14 PM

Axe on February 4, 2013 at 11:12 PM

Oh Yeah!! That! ^^^

Scrumpy on February 4, 2013 at 11:15 PM

KCB on February 4, 2013 at 11:14 PM

Ken :-) you have moon beans?

Wanna barter? :-D

Scrumpy on February 4, 2013 at 11:15 PM

Who said the following?

“Certainly one of the chief guarantees of freedom under any government, no matter how popular and respected, is the right of the citizens to keep and bear arms. The right of the citizens to bear arms is just one guarantee against arbitrary government and one more safeguard against a tyranny which now appears remote in America, but which historically has proved to be always possible.”

VorDaj on February 4, 2013 at 11:17 PM

I just thought of something. Yes arnold, what is it?

How come Obama didn’t know much about anything while in IL—votes present a bajillion times and was a lackluster federal senator all of a sudden knows about everything?
You name it—medicine, business, racismz, guns, sports, he’s there.

arnold ziffel on February 4, 2013 at 11:17 PM

Biden has a well-earned reputation as a gaffe-maker extraordinaire, and this speech was no exception. In a key passage on the Eurozone debt crisis, Biden referred to Portugal, as Poland, a mistake subsequently corrected in the official White House transcript:

“We have seen positive steps recently to address the eurozone crisis, with the European Central Bank pledging to stand behind countries willing to launch reforms, and with Greece, Ireland, Poland* [*sic-Portugal], Spain and Italy all taking important steps to put their economies on a sounder path. Governments across the eurozone must also remain focused on growth and jobs. These may be fundamentally European problems, requiring European solutions, but their resolution has tremendous impact on the United States of America and on the global economy.”

J_Crater on February 4, 2013 at 11:17 PM

I wonder what I can barter Moon Beans for?

Scrumpy on February 4, 2013 at 11:13 PM

Well you can start by shakin’ your Moon bean maker.

SparkPlug on February 4, 2013 at 11:17 PM

Axe on February 4, 2013 at 11:12 PM

From the way drivel runs from his lips, he may well be incontinent, too. :)

thatsafactjack on February 4, 2013 at 11:17 PM

No, his rod isn’t even bent.

SparkPlug on February 4, 2013 at 11:07 PM

. . . nvm. :#

*comment deleted*

Axe on February 4, 2013 at 11:17 PM

My prediction is the gun ban will fail.

bluegill on February 4, 2013 at 10:58 PM

You also predicted a Romney Rout. Your prognistication skills are suspect so it will probably be passed.

RickB on February 4, 2013 at 11:17 PM

VorDaj on February 4, 2013 at 11:17 PM

Humphrey

Scrumpy on February 4, 2013 at 11:18 PM

Scrumpy on February 4, 2013 at 11:15 PM

Number one Sparky gave you a case of moonbeams! Number two…Yes. Yes I do!

KCB on February 4, 2013 at 11:18 PM

As a “Constitutional scholar”, the Skeet-Shooter-in-Chief certainly understands the fundamental purpose of the Second Amendment, yet constantly talks and acts as if he doesn’t. It’s revolting.

There is a deliberate effort from the gun-grabbers, including TheOne, to act as if it’s all about personal self-defense and hunting, when in fact the far-reaching consequences of chipping away at our 2nd Amendment protections are far more basic and far more dangerous to the future of our Republic. He knows this.

hillbillyjim on February 4, 2013 at 11:18 PM

Mr Permanent Campaign can take his disarmament platform and shove it up sideways

rayra on February 4, 2013 at 11:18 PM

Coulter was on fire tonight with Hannity

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/ann-coulter-goes-off-on-obamas-gun-proposals-screw-you-you-dont-think-we-care-about-the-children/

r keller on February 4, 2013 at 11:15 PM

^^^

Even if you’re ticked at Coulter, you probably want to see that. She was. And made some important points.

Axe on February 4, 2013 at 11:19 PM

SparkPlug on February 4, 2013 at 11:17 PM

50 moon beans ;-)

Scrumpy on February 4, 2013 at 11:19 PM

You’re incompetent.

Axe on February 4, 2013 at 11:12 PM

Might be something else entirely.

Bmore on February 4, 2013 at 11:19 PM

Jackie, My Lady..

KCB on February 4, 2013 at 11:20 PM

Humphrey

Scrumpy on February 4, 2013 at 11:18 PM

Probably the last of the liberals before they became fascists.

VorDaj on February 4, 2013 at 11:20 PM

From the way drivel runs from his lips, he may well be incontinent, too. :)

thatsafactjack on February 4, 2013 at 11:17 PM

Evening, Jackie! :)

Axe on February 4, 2013 at 11:20 PM

liberals are really stupid. The VW commercial was racist, the Audi commercial was “rapey”, the GoDaddy commercial objectified women.

then again, cons are stupid. The Dodge commercial was the best in the history of commercials, Beyonce was too slutty for “the children”, the GoDaddy commercial was trashy

Get a brain, and lighten the F up…respectively

Slade73 on February 4, 2013 at 11:20 PM

Axe on February 4, 2013 at 11:17 PM

hahaha. That’s what you get for casting out your fly to show us your other bait.

Not sure what that means.

SparkPlug on February 4, 2013 at 11:20 PM

David Axelrod suggested on Morning Joe that Chicago’s high rate of gun crime can be blamed on the fact that “surrounding areas” have lax gun laws

So a thinking person would ask the question, if the guns coming into Chicago are coming from places with lax gun laws, and if those guns coming in from outside Chicago with such strict gun laws are leading to such a high crime rate, then why is the crime rate in those areas with the lax gun laws lower than in Chicago?

Not that there is anybody in the MSM who would ask a question that would destroy the narrative. Because that question would lead to the next question: could it be that those restrictive gun laws that disarm law abiding citizens be contributing to the high crime rate?

AZfederalist on February 4, 2013 at 11:21 PM

KCB on February 4, 2013 at 11:18 PM

Sparky owed me ;-)

I need them for my garden!!

I love to grow moon bean plants… I have 2 acres, so I need lots of moon beans!

I am inventing a moon bean wine ;-D

Scrumpy on February 4, 2013 at 11:21 PM

Scrumpy on February 4, 2013 at 11:19 PM

Deal. BTW, Booty Deals are tax exempt.

SparkPlug on February 4, 2013 at 11:21 PM

Tomorrow…

Take care…

Electrongod on February 4, 2013 at 11:21 PM

Might be something else entirely.

Bmore on February 4, 2013 at 11:19 PM

If I could stop d***** around during my free time, I could finish this essay and put my incompetent theory forward.

I know another one is “purposeful,” but SWalker’s got that covered. :)

Axe on February 4, 2013 at 11:22 PM

KCB on February 4, 2013 at 11:20 PM

Good evening, Ken! It’s great to see you. :)

thatsafactjack on February 4, 2013 at 11:22 PM

SparkPlug on February 4, 2013 at 11:17 PM

50 moon beans ;-)

Scrumpy on February 4, 2013 at 11:19 PM

Do you eat moon beans while basking in the moon beams.

RickB on February 4, 2013 at 11:22 PM

Electrongod on February 4, 2013 at 11:21 PM

What?!?! No movie?

Bmore on February 4, 2013 at 11:22 PM

SparkPlug on February 4, 2013 at 11:21 PM

{{Hugs}} Thank you Fire Marshal!!

Scrumpy on February 4, 2013 at 11:23 PM

Slade73 on February 4, 2013 at 11:20 PM

This is the second thread where you got uptight about Bar slurping on the nerd in the GoDaddy spot. Just an observation.

KCB on February 4, 2013 at 11:23 PM

Axe on February 4, 2013 at 11:20 PM

Good evening, Axefellow! Wonderful to see you. :)

thatsafactjack on February 4, 2013 at 11:23 PM

RickB on February 4, 2013 at 11:22 PM

I cannot tell my secrets Ricky…

Moon beans are very precious…

Except to say I am working on a moon bean wine!

One of my many ventures

Scrumpy on February 4, 2013 at 11:24 PM

Take care…

Electrongod on February 4, 2013 at 11:21 PM

May you rise to higher and more energetic shells, until the day you collapse through your step functions, releasing massive amounts of energy that reduce all your enemies to plasma.

*swirly forehead wave*

Axe on February 4, 2013 at 11:24 PM

Tyranny and America, a perspective from one account of a famous story about Kurt Goedel’s road to American citizenship (http://www.newyorker.com/archive/2005/02/28/050228crat_atlarge):

So naïve and otherworldly was the great logician that Einstein felt obliged to help look after the practical aspects of his life. One much retailed story concerns Gödel’s decision after the war to become an American citizen. The character witnesses at his hearing were to be Einstein and Oskar Morgenstern, one of the founders of game theory. Gödel took the matter of citizenship with great solemnity, preparing for the exam by making a close study of the United States Constitution. On the eve of the hearing, he called Morgenstern in an agitated state, saying he had found an “inconsistency” in the Constitution, one that could allow a dictatorship to arise. Morgenstern was amused, but he realized that Gödel was serious and urged him not to mention it to the judge, fearing that it would jeopardize Gödel’s citizenship bid. On the short drive to Trenton the next day, with Morgenstern serving as chauffeur, Einstein tried to distract Gödel with jokes. When they arrived at the courthouse, the judge was impressed by Gödel’s eminent witnesses, and he invited the trio into his chambers. After some small talk, he said to Gödel, “Up to now you have held German citizenship.”

No, Gödel corrected, Austrian.

“In any case, it was under an evil dictatorship,” the judge continued. “Fortunately that’s not possible in America.”

“On the contrary, I can prove it is possible!” Gödel exclaimed, and he began describing the constitutional loophole he had descried. But the judge told the examinee that “he needn’t go into that,” and Einstein and Morgenstern succeeded in quieting him down. A few months later, Gödel took his oath of citizenship.

We see the loophole that Goedel likely identified right before our eyes – when one branch of government is not held to the checks and balances of the Constitution because the other branches are scared of it or scared of making “unpopular” decisions that are required by the law. Although, no one really knows what Goedel had identified as, what he considered to be, the weakness in the Constitutional architecture of our Republic. Well … the Republic we used to live under.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on February 4, 2013 at 11:24 PM

KCB on February 4, 2013 at 11:18 PM

Lets talk moon beans ;-)

Scrumpy on February 4, 2013 at 11:25 PM

Axe on February 4, 2013 at 11:22 PM

I’ve often thought, thespian, might be the case.

Bmore on February 4, 2013 at 11:25 PM

Get a brain, and lighten the F up…respectively

Slade73 on February 4, 2013 at 11:20 PM

I give in. I’ll go watch the GoDaddy commercial.

Axe on February 4, 2013 at 11:26 PM

Kinda like Fee Waybil. A great front man but not much more.

Bmore on February 4, 2013 at 11:26 PM

Sorry, dropped an l.

Bmore on February 4, 2013 at 11:27 PM

Good evening Moon Goddess!!

You bring light and warmth to us all :-)

Scrumpy on February 4, 2013 at 11:27 PM

This is the second thread where you got uptight about Bar slurping on the nerd in the GoDaddy spot. Just an observation.

KCB on February 4, 2013 at 11:23 PM

yeah, that one particularly annoys me. I thought it was an ad. Wasn’t particularly funny, wasn’t particularly good. But everyone is up in arms about it. WTF?

Slade73 on February 4, 2013 at 11:27 PM

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