Obama: I think the Boy Scouts should admit gay members

posted at 9:31 am on February 4, 2013 by Allahpundit

Not surprising but still newsworthy given that he is, after all, the BSA’s honorary president and because I’m not sure we’d have gotten as unequivocal a statement from him a year ago, before he “evolved” on gay marriage. No doubt he would have supported gay scouts even then, but there might have been a “private organizations are free to do as they wish” caveat tacked on in the interest of hedging. When he first took office, there was some grumbling on the left encouraging him to decline the group’s honorary presidency because it doesn’t admit gays and atheists. He ignored that, no doubt because he already knew from his “I oppose gay marriage” charade that gays would forgive him nearly anything in the interest of ultimate liberal victory. Then he caught flak from the right in 2010 when he didn’t attend the BSA’s 100th anniversary celebration, opting to send a video message instead. That’s classic hedging, choosing to keep his distance from the group physically to please his base while offering his congrats to please everyone else. But now that he’s embraced gay marriage, why hedge?

This is also newsworthy because I think it’s a rare case lately of O doing more good than harm for his cause by weighing in. Passing gun control was going to be hard enough for Democrats before Obama took the lead on it and gave Republicans more reason to oppose it. Same with immigration; Dems were so worried about The One turning Senate negotiations toxic by offering his own bill that they begged him privately not to do it. In the case of the BSA, though, Obama’s already proved he can move opinion among social cons in his own base towards greater acceptance of gays. If you’re a Democrat who’s opposed to letting your kid join a BSA unit that includes gays, this might make you think twice. If you’re Republican who’s opposed to letting your kid join a BSA unit that includes gays, who cares what Obama thinks? It’s a net gain for gays to have O’s endorsement.


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The Boy Scouts were formed as a outreach to boys by the Presbyterian Church

SWalker on February 4, 2013 at 11:20 AM

No. They were formed (in this country) by a businessman, WD Boyce, and were backed by several partners in the business world and several conservationists.

If you mean the originals in England, you’re still not correct. Baden-Powell started scouting there with his camp on Brownsea Island and his writings about teaching boys to be independent and capable.

If you have some other information, please cite a source.

GWB on February 4, 2013 at 11:34 AM

The President is determined to undermine every overtly Christian group he can. Maybe he should consider requiring the BSA to distribute condoms within it’s ranks, or develop an “atheist” badge, or assist Planned Parenthood in ushering victims through protesters. Lots of possibilities here for the President to show leadership in leading these young men “forward”.

MTF on February 4, 2013 at 11:34 AM

Jugeared Jesus and his acolytes in the media are putting on the full-court press on all fronts, and the G.O.P.’s response thus far is give a little here, give a little there, appease and assuage, compromise and falter — and it is a losing strategy.

Every inch given results in another mile taken by these progressive shits who won’t be happy until we’re to the left of Chavez and Castro.

Super Sunday, if anyone noticed, was mostly a choreographed concerted effort by the powers-that-be to “lean forward” as in hard left, and to present every liberal idea and ideal in a favorable light. It began with the talking heads Sunday morning, and didn’t end until the day did.

Of course today’s another day, and another opportunity to propagandize the population a wee bit more. I am completely sick of the media, and television shows in general — most of which manage to stick some leftist schtik throughout the plot lines and laugh tracks. We are fools to help support these ideologues and propagandists.

hillbillyjim on February 4, 2013 at 11:37 AM

SWalker on February 4, 2013 at 11:20 AM

The rest of what you say is pretty spot on, btw. The goal is to destroy the Boy Scouts because they have a moral position on perversion.

GWB on February 4, 2013 at 11:41 AM

onlineanalyst on February 4, 2013 at 10:37 AM

You want to really have something to be concerned with? Think about this: Both VaLerie Jarrett, Obama’s chief-of-staff, and Obama are Red Diaper Babies, meaning that their parents or significant influences in their formative years were members of the Communist Party USA.

They now control all of our Intelligence Agencies.

Cleombrotus on February 4, 2013 at 11:44 AM

GWB on February 4, 2013 at 11:34 AM

It would be as difficult to separate the Biblical influences in the minds of such men of that time as it would be to find some in the minds of men such as Obama today.

Cleombrotus on February 4, 2013 at 11:47 AM

The Boy Scouts were formed as a outreach to boys by the Presbyterian Church

SWalker on February 4, 2013 at 11:20 AM

No. They were formed (in this country) by a businessman, WD Boyce, and were backed by several partners in the business world and several conservationists.

If you mean the originals in England, you’re still not correct. Baden-Powell started scouting there with his camp on Brownsea Island and his writings about teaching boys to be independent and capable.

If you have some other information, please cite a source.

GWB on February 4, 2013 at 11:34 AM

Sorry, wiki is not your friend, try finding an old Boy Scout handbook. Yes, I was a Boy Scout. Baden-Powell started the Boy Scout’s with the help of the YMCA, which you may be familiar with.

When WD Boyce started the Boy Scout’s Of America, his first and most significant partner, was The Church of Jesus Christ of Later Day Saints.

SWalker on February 4, 2013 at 11:48 AM

There’s already an organization for encouraging the interaction of gay men with boys. It’s called NAMBLA.

blammm on February 4, 2013 at 11:50 AM

Obama: I think the Boy Scouts should admit gay members

Color me shocked.

Oh, wait. Was that statement racist?

CJ on February 4, 2013 at 11:50 AM

From the BSA website:

Young people need faith. There is abundant evidence that children benefit from the moral compass provided by religious tradition. We acknowledge that faith can become an important part of a child’s identity. Each of the major faiths breeds hope, optimism, compassion, and a belief in a better tomorrow. Scouting encourages each young person to begin a spiritual journey through the practice of his or her faith tradition. One of the key tenets of Scouting is “duty to God.” While Scouting does not define religious belief for its members, it has been adopted by and works with youth programs of all major faiths.

This is what the left seeks to undermine as it forces the organization to adopt policies that are pro-sodomite and pro-atheist.

Happy Nomad on February 4, 2013 at 11:54 AM

This is what the left seeks to undermine as it forces the organization to adopt policies that are pro-sodomite and pro-atheist.

Happy Nomad on February 4, 2013 at 11:54 AM

To this day half of all Boy Scout Troops in America are sponsored by The Church of Jesus Christ of Later Day Saints.

SWalker on February 4, 2013 at 11:57 AM

Once again amoral Preezy Obama opens his piehole on TeeVee to intimidate a private organization into politically correct decision that will likely please a grievance minority & kill the organization.

FORWARD!

workingclass artist on February 4, 2013 at 11:58 AM

Barky releases another squirrel to distract the proles from his failures and incompetence.

Meanwhile, he looks for more to blame when the next finger is pointed his way. That, and getting another squirrel ready to run.

These tasks, promising more free stuff to the 51%, lecturing and finger wagging at the “rich” and his political opposition, golf, and enjoying the luxuries and benefits his position affords, including basking in the adoration of his admirers, are how His Majesty, King Obama, spends most of his time each day.

farsighted on February 4, 2013 at 12:06 PM

Maybe Obama should admit gay members instead.

Axe on February 4, 2013 at 12:10 PM

Dear Mr. Obama;
Oh, what could possibly go wrong with your suggestion of sending young boys into the woods with other boys (and leaders) of a different sexual persuasion?! Also, you a$$hat, they’re not ‘gay’; they’re homosexuals…

elihu on February 4, 2013 at 12:26 PM

So, when will Obama be a scout leader?

Schadenfreude on February 4, 2013 at 12:28 PM

GWB on February 4, 2013 at 11:34 AM

And the gov’t still has no right to intervene, either way.

Schadenfreude on February 4, 2013 at 12:31 PM

And the gov’t still has no right to intervene, either way.

Schadenfreude on February 4, 2013 at 12:31 PM

What other President has unnecessarily inserted his opinion in private matters as much as Obama? “If I had a son”, “acted stupidly”, Augusta allowing in women, concussions in the NFL, and there are many, many more. And now, homosexuals in the Boy Scouts. What’s next, Sodomy Appreciation Day?

Paul-Cincy on February 4, 2013 at 12:37 PM

If the president is so pro gay, a Boy Scout should interview him and ask him how many of them he’s hired in his administration and what makes him qualified to tell the organization what they should or shouldn’t do.
Jacka$$.

scalleywag on February 4, 2013 at 12:52 PM

I trust 0 on nothing. He is a liar with an agenda I would sooner see burn. To heII with him and his! His opinions mean nothing to me when considering my own.

Bmore on February 4, 2013 at 12:52 PM

And the gov’t still has no right to intervene, either way.

Schadenfreude on February 4, 2013 at 12:31 PM

Absolutely correct.

SWalker, I don’t have my books handy, but I am a current Scouter (and was a Boy Scout), and what I posted above is accurate (if, necessarily, incomplete). I’m not going to argue with you, except to say that your statement made it sound like Boy Scouts were a church youth group gone wild, and that isn’t the case. That is what I took issue with – nothing else.

GWB on February 4, 2013 at 12:54 PM

I’m not going to argue with you, except to say that your statement made it sound like Boy Scouts were a church youth group gone wild, and that isn’t the case. That is what I took issue with – nothing else.

GWB on February 4, 2013 at 12:54 PM

Sorry if it sounded that way, as it is, I happen to live at Ground Zero for this whole frackous. It was here in San Diego that the first lawsuit was filed against the Boy Scouts over refusing to allow Homosexuals into Scouting, and it was here in San Diego where it’s Presbyterian/Mormon root’s and origins were entered into the official court records and upon which the Boy Scout’s won that lawsuit allowing them to continue excluding Homosexuals based entirely upon their origins as a religious outreach program.

SWalker on February 4, 2013 at 1:02 PM

Gov. Rick Perry (Eagle Scout) sez…(paraphrasing here)…Shut Your Piehole Comrade Preezy!

“Texas Gov. Rick Perry has called on the Boy Scouts of America on Saturday to keep its strict no-gays membership policy, as the organization’s national executive board, scheduled to meet in Irving on Monday, is expected to discuss, and possibly vote on, changing the policy.

“Hopefully the board will follow their historic position of keeping the Scouts strongly supportive of the values that make scouting this very important and impactful organization,” Perry said, according to The Associated Press. Perry, himself an Eagle Scout, made the comments after his speech at the Texas Scouts’ 64th Annual Report to State in the House Chambers at the Texas State Capitol in Austin.

“I think most people see absolutely no reason to change the position and neither do I,” Perry said, adding his views have not changed since he wrote the book, On My Honor: Why the American Values of the Boy Scouts Are Worth Fighting For, in 2008. It would be “inappropriate” for popular culture to impact 100 years of the Scouts’ standards, he said.

In his speech, Perry told hundreds of Scouts from around Texas, who had filled the state House of Representatives, to announce their delegation’s recent accomplishments, that society’s failure to adhere to the organization’s core values was a cause for high rates of teen pregnancy and wayward youth who grow up to be “men joining their fathers in prison.

In his book, the Republican governor wrote, “Because gay activism is central to their lives, it would unavoidably be a topic of conversation within a Scout troop. This would distract from the mission of Scouting: character building, not sex education.”

Perry donated profits to the Boy Scouts of America Legal Defense as “they continue to be under attack from the forces of secularism.”

Read more at http://www.christianpost.com/news/rick-perry-tells-boy-scouts-to-keep-no-gay-policy-89363/#wdCTA7d1K6ZIRrjk.99

workingclass artist on February 4, 2013 at 1:06 PM

George W Bush = Cub Scout

Gov. Rick Perry = Eagle Scout

so there’s that…

workingclass artist on February 4, 2013 at 1:10 PM

Easy’s Rules:
1. Life is NOT Fair.
2. You have a lot of ‘Rights’ in this country – the ‘Right’ NOT to be offended is NOT one of them.
3. Just because you WANT to be a member of a club or team doesn’t mean you hev the RIGHT to, that you MUST BE ALLOWED.
3.1. WHY would you want to be a member of a club that doesn’t WANT you as a member anyway? Go form your OWN club & run it the way you want instead!
3.2. I refuse to join any club that would have me as a member – Groucho Marx

easyt65 on February 4, 2013 at 1:13 PM

Everyone was outraged when the Catholic church didn’t do enough to prevent child sexual abuse and yet the BSA are blasted for trying preventing child abuse.

My head hurts…

Agent of the Cross on February 4, 2013 at 9:40 AM

Have you read the news at all lately?
Might make your head hurt even more.
BSA did quite poorly stopping all the straight guys and married guys from abusing kids.

verbaluce on February 4, 2013 at 1:13 PM

If gay boys of ages 11-18 want an organization like the Boy Scouts then go form one. I am so sick of people forcing clubs and organizations that have specific rules and regulation to change for them.

OMG, what am I saying. How can anyone between the ages of 11-18 know that they are gay?

mechkiller_k on February 4, 2013 at 10:37 AM

Pediatricians across America agree with your common sense.

Unfortunately…Leftists have their agenda and the kids pay the price.

workingclass artist on February 4, 2013 at 1:17 PM

Remember that fool Anita Bryant saying that they were coming for our kids. Boy, was she wr… uh

longfeet on February 4, 2013 at 1:26 PM

No one cares what he thinks, unless there’s something free in it for them then, they still don’t care what he thinks.

LizardLips on February 4, 2013 at 1:36 PM

So Barky says it’s too dangerous for young males to play football, but it’s acceptable to place them in Sandusky situations.

MrKleenexMuscles on February 4, 2013 at 1:38 PM

BSA did quite poorly stopping all the straight guys and married guys from abusing kids.

verbaluce on February 4, 2013 at 1:13 PM

You make my head hurt, verb. By definition, if they are guys sexually abusing boys, they aren’t “straight” (sexually or morally).

SWalker on February 4, 2013 at 1:02 PM

I’m not criticizing, but one of the reasons that Mormons support Boy Scouting so heartily is because they can set it up as a Mormon-only troop/pack. The chartering organization can restrict members to those that profess the same “reverence” they adhere to. Most of the mainline churches who charter units don’t do so (and deal with the resultant issues when, say, an athiest joins and has to explain how they are “reverent” in a Review Board), but the Mormons always do. It’s a great deal for them, and it really supports their family-oriented philosophy. I believe they have their own girls’ organization, as the GSA isn’t quite so accommodating of religious views.

GWB on February 4, 2013 at 1:42 PM

So Barky says it’s too dangerous for young males to play football, but it’s acceptable to place them in Sandusky situations.

MrKleenexMuscles on February 4, 2013 at 1:38 PM

Well, of course! The Sandusky thing was all hunky-dory except for the fact a football organization was involved! Wasn’t that what it was all about? /s

GWB on February 4, 2013 at 1:45 PM

The goal is to destroy the Boy Scouts because they have a moral position on perversion.

GWB on February 4, 2013 at 11:41 AM

Where do you get this stuff?

I am no friend of the vast majority of Leftist liberal puppet groups that Democrats love to pander to. Believe me, I’ve gotten in so many downright nasty arguments with a number of other gays over that.

But this crap of believing in some dark agenda of “destruction”…whether over gay marriage, Christianity, DADT, DOMA, or here with the BSA…is either utter nonsense, or it’s just an excuse of keeping the status quo. There is no vast agenda to bring any of that, or…as I’ve heard…bring down Western Civ.

I’m not defending any of the liberal activist groups…I’m only wanting to clear that statement up. No one is forcing the BSA to admit gays…heck, there are already any number of gay scouts and/or scoutmasters there now, and throughout it’s history. Not everyone comes out of the closet. And seeing it’s being brought to a vote within the organization, you can’t complain about “judicial fiat” or “activist judges” over this.

It’s a vote…just like the popular votes so many are proponents of. Remember that. And remember we all aren’t batsh*t crazy Leftists. Some of us don’t even dress with flair or like glitter.

JetBoy on February 4, 2013 at 1:50 PM

Don’t force yourselves on an organization that doesn’t allow gay people. Form the Gay Scouts of America, for Chrissakes. Make it about gay people, not straight young men or women. And by the way, this doesn’t concern you, Mr. President. You don’t need to stick your nose in every controversial issue that comes up, you need to stick your nose in issues that concern the nation as a whole. Grow up.

scalleywag on February 4, 2013 at 1:52 PM

You make my head hurt, verb. By definition, if they are guys sexually abusing boys, they aren’t “straight” (sexually or morally).

GWB on February 4, 2013 at 1:42 PM

Sure…um, ok.
Regardless…how does that pertain to the BSA abuse issues?
Not with any malice, but they’ve been dense on this issue –
as is anyone who automatically aligns ‘gay’ with abuse.
I think there are many smarter and more enlightened folks at BSA now…as there are in many organizations that work with youths.
So in practice, most have moved on from the the falsehoods some still cling to. And scouts are now safer for that reason.
When BSA makes this official…who knows.
But it’ll be sooner than you think.

verbaluce on February 4, 2013 at 1:54 PM

…this doesn’t concern you, Mr. President. You don’t need to stick your nose in every controversial issue that comes up, you need to stick your nose in issues that concern the nation as a whole. Grow up.

scalleywag on February 4, 2013 at 1:52 PM

Telling a Democrat like Obama to quit pandering for votes and support?

I don’t believe that’s possible.

JetBoy on February 4, 2013 at 2:01 PM

The goal is to destroy the Boy Scouts because they have a moral position on perversion.

GWB on February 4, 2013 at 11:41 AM

Silly.
Nobody is out to ‘destroy’ the scouts.
As far as their ‘moral position’…
they failed on that – because they equated gay with abuse.
But as I said above…most are a heck of a lot more informed and enlightened now than in the past.

verbaluce on February 4, 2013 at 2:01 PM

JetBoy on February 4, 2013 at 1:50 PM

You do such a great job at self deception… Carry on…

SWalker on February 4, 2013 at 2:03 PM

Then I suggest that you join the Democrats, because you obviously can’t see what Conservative principals are. The Boy Scouts were formed as a outreach to boys by the Presbyterian Church, that’s why even to this day the vast majority of Scout troops meet at churches.

The Boy Scout’s moral and ethical code of conduct comes from Christian theology, which is the reason that Homosexuals have been barred from Scouting for the entire 100 year history of the Boy Scouts.

SWalker on February 4, 2013 at 11:20 AM

But the Presbyterian Church’s understanding of homosexuality is vastly different than it was one hundred years ago. I’m not sure if they have gay marriage yet, but they will. So admitting gays Scouts is or will be consistent with the Christian principles of the Presbyterian Church.

thuja on February 4, 2013 at 2:10 PM

Like on the gun topic, which is striclty about the Bill of Rights – this topic – it’s None of the gov’t’s business. Period. It doesn’t even matter why/what…they can do whatever they want.

Schadenfreude on February 4, 2013 at 2:15 PM

You do such a great job at self deception… Carry on…

SWalker on February 4, 2013 at 2:03 PM

Not as good a job as your wishful thinking.

JetBoy on February 4, 2013 at 2:15 PM

So admitting gays Scouts is or will be consistent with the Christian principles of the Presbyterian Church.

thuja on February 4, 2013 at 2:10 PM

No, it will only mean that the Homosexual community has succeeded in infiltrating and perverting the Presbyterian Church, it won’t change the Christian theological foundations and principals that resulted in Homosexuals being barred in the first place.

Any time you change all of the principals and ideological foundations that an organization is based on that organization ceases to be what it was founded as and becomes something entirely different.

The Presbyterian Church is a subset of Christianity, not the other way around. If the Presbyterian Church abandons it’s Christian foundational theological principals, that does not mean that Christianity has abandoned those foundational theological principals. It only means that Presbyterian Church has ceased to be a Christian Church.

SWalker on February 4, 2013 at 2:21 PM

Why not put child molesters into kindergartens? That discrimination thing must be contained,right?

Please don’t answer about “child molesting is wrong” unless you have a higher source than your loin-rights. Call me with your moral outrage when I hear that kids are allowed to express their opinion before being aborted.

Right and wrong is not flexible, unless you wish to allow all others to use your subjective-morality against you.

Don L on February 4, 2013 at 2:25 PM

Sorry Obama, this is way above your pay grade..He’s the biggest bully around

sadsushi on February 4, 2013 at 2:58 PM

No one is forcing the BSA to admit gays…heck, there are already any number of gay scouts and/or scoutmasters there now, and throughout it’s history. Not everyone comes out of the closet. And seeing it’s being brought to a vote within the organization, you can’t complain about “judicial fiat” or “activist judges” over this.

JetBoy on February 4, 2013 at 1:50 PM

This thread is about the President weighing in. Hence, the issue of those activists that are trying to force acceptance of homosexuals. Then, there are folks like verbaluce weighing in.

Regardless of this particular thread, however, yes, there are folks out there seeking to destroy Christianity and its adherents. There are folks who want to destroy the foundations of morality so they can practice hedonism without consequence. There are others who will aid in that destruction because those morals/principles are the strength of those who are the last bulwark standing between them and our enslavement.

You may think I’m being overly dramatic. Fine. It makes it no less true.

As for your inclinations, I have never particularly cared – unless they involve making me relinquish my moral code in some fashion. Or, if it involves trying to tell me I am a bigot for claiming it is a perversion. Then you’ll get an argument.

Regardless…how does that pertain to the BSA abuse issues?

verbaluce on February 4, 2013 at 1:54 PM

You’re the one that brought it up.

as is anyone who automatically aligns ‘gay’ with abuse.

verbaluce on February 4, 2013 at 1:54 PM

It’s about morals, verb. It always has been. Boy Scouts is a moral organization. It insists on “reverence” and being “morally straight”. Some of the BSA defenders have automatically conflated “gay” with “abuser”, yes, but the organization has been pretty clear over the years (until the last 15 or so, when donor pressure has increased) that it is about morality.

most are a heck of a lot more informed and enlightened now than in the past.

verbaluce on February 4, 2013 at 2:01 PM

Sorry, but saying that homosexuality is fine is notenlightened“.

GWB on February 4, 2013 at 3:17 PM

Obama’s already proved he can move opinion among social cons in his own base

There are none in his base.

INC on February 4, 2013 at 3:35 PM

petefrt on February 4, 2013 at 3:19 PM

Holy crap. Where did you get THAT pic.

Paul-Cincy on February 4, 2013 at 3:40 PM

who cares what you think you Marxist dog eating tyrant

long_cat on February 4, 2013 at 4:11 PM

So Barky says it’s too dangerous for young males to play football, but it’s acceptable to place them in Sandusky situations.
MrKleenexMuscles on February 4, 2013 at 1:38 PM

Yes. Keeping child predators out of your boys scout camp is discriminatory or something.

wildcat72 on February 4, 2013 at 4:15 PM

Silly.
Nobody is out to ‘destroy’ the scouts.
As far as their ‘moral position’…
they failed on that – because they equated gay with abuse.
But as I said above…most are a heck of a lot more informed and enlightened now than in the past.
verbaluce on February 4, 2013 at 2:01 PM

Anyone who is gay is not right in the head, and should NOT be given access to children which they might be attracted to. Gays do not believe in anything the Scouts do so why would they want to be part of it?

Oh, we know, it’s to force the queer agenda on yet another institution.

wildcat72 on February 4, 2013 at 4:21 PM

As a white heterosexual male I would like to know if I could be a Girl Scouts of America “Scoutmaster”, or would some people think that was a bit creepy?

moo on February 4, 2013 at 4:24 PM

this so-called ‘ban’ is dumb… it’s going away and local scout units can decide what they want to do. There aren’t huge lines of gays banging on the doors to volunteer with local scout units. There just aren’t. And the many gays who are currently volunteering within the BSA would be happy for this publicity to all go away. It is making a political football out of the scouts which is unfortunate.

gatorboy on February 4, 2013 at 4:26 PM

The solution:

Gay Scouts of America.

BobMbx on February 4, 2013 at 4:49 PM

Anyone who is gay is not right in the head, and should NOT be given access to children which they might be attracted to. Gays do not believe in anything the Scouts do so why would they want to be part of it?

wildcat72 on February 4, 2013 at 4:21 PM

I understand someone of your age (I’m guessing 75+) finds all this a bit confusing.
Best not to think about it.

verbaluce on February 4, 2013 at 4:51 PM

The solution:
Gay Scouts of America.
BobMbx on February 4, 2013 at 4:49 PM

Not good enough. The queer agenda is only served by penetrating a traditional organization with their excrement.

wildcat72 on February 4, 2013 at 4:59 PM

Tell us what institution will you not try to destroy?

tom daschle concerned on February 4, 2013 at 5:07 PM

I don’t doubt, that somewhere, Kevin Jennings is doing the happy dance in anticipation

BillyPenn on February 4, 2013 at 5:33 PM

Obama’s already proved he can move opinion among social cons in his own base

There are none in his base.

INC on February 4, 2013 at 3:35 PM

That was a strange thing to say. Considering the incorporated link, African Americans and Latinos spur gay marriage revolution, AP’s got a “Social Conservative” equals “opposes recognition of gay couples as married” thing going on.

Axe on February 4, 2013 at 6:01 PM

Holy crap. Where did you get THAT pic.

Paul-Cincy on February 4, 2013 at 3:40 PM

She’s a cutie, isn’t she.

After that photo was taken, she had another makeover.

petefrt on February 4, 2013 at 6:05 PM

The Presbyterian Church is a subset of Christianity, not the other way around. If the Presbyterian Church abandons it’s Christian foundational theological principals, that does not mean that Christianity has abandoned those foundational theological principals. It only means that Presbyterian Church has ceased to be a Christian Church.

SWalker on February 4, 2013 at 2:21 PM

Well said.

But you knew when you typed it, it isn’t going to fly with people desperately trying to gain control over that C word. :) The new-hotness, Birkenstock Jesus gets high and preaches it’s all good; the old-and-busted Jesus is the one that walked into a room and started with something along the lines, “You people know you’re already condemned, right? And all this religious footsie — it’s not going to get you anywhere, right? Take down these fiberglass Greek columns and actually govern. Stop putting on a show and actually mean it.”

Axe on February 4, 2013 at 6:11 PM

I see the goal as being at least twofold. Number one, they want to mainstream gross immorality and perversion in an in your face sort of way. Not only do they want it “normalized”, but number two, they want to criminalize opposition to it. Judeo-Christian ethics are in the crosshairs. They won’t stop till churches are destroyed by enforcing homosexual employee quotas, mandating homosexual ceremonies,and threatening church’s tax exempt status. It’s right around the corner.

tom daschle concerned on February 4, 2013 at 6:43 PM

They won’t stop till churches are destroyed by enforcing homosexual employee quotas, mandating homosexual ceremonies,and threatening church’s tax exempt status. It’s right around the corner.

tom daschle concerned on February 4, 2013 at 6:43 PM

That is indeed a part of their plan. What is worse, is CONGRESS knows it, yet did nothing to prevent it.

In 1958 Cleon Skousen, conservative American constitutionalist and Mormon apologist wrote a book called The Naked Communist. In which he outlined the Marxist strategy to destroy the United States of America from the inside out. U.S. Congressman Albert S. Herlong, Jr. of Florida, on January 10, 1963 read into the US Congressional Record a list compiled from The Naked Communist detailing the steps that the Marxist planned to take to achieve exactly that goal.

15. Capture one or both of the political parties in the United States.
16. Use technical decisions of the courts to weaken basic American institutions by claiming their activities violate civil rights.
17. Get control of the schools. Use them as transmission belts for socialism and current Communist propaganda. Soften the curriculum. Get control of teachers’ associations. Put the party line in textbooks.
18. Gain control of all student newspapers.
19. Use student riots to foment public protests against programs or organizations which are under Communist attack.
20. Infiltrate the press. Get control of book-review assignments, editorial writing, policymaking positions.
21. Gain control of key positions in radio, TV, and motion pictures.
22. Continue discrediting American culture by degrading all forms of artistic expression. An American Communist cell was told to “eliminate all good sculpture from parks and buildings, substitute shapeless, awkward and meaningless forms.”
23. Control art critics and directors of art museums.
24. Eliminate all laws governing obscenity by calling them “censorship” and a violation of free speech and free press.
25. Break down cultural standards of morality by promoting pornography and obscenity in books, magazines, motion pictures, radio, and TV.
26. Present homosexuality, degeneracy and promiscuity as “normal, natural, healthy.”
27. Infiltrate the churches and replace revealed religion with “social” religion. Discredit the Bible and emphasize the need for intellectual maturity which does not need a “religious crutch.”
28. Eliminate prayer or any phase of religious expression in the schools on the ground that it violates the principle of “separation of church and state.”
29. Discredit the American Constitution by calling it inadequate, old-fashioned, out of step with modern needs, a hindrance to cooperation between nations on a worldwide basis.
30. Discredit the American Founding Fathers. Present them as selfish aristocrats who had no concern for the “common man.”
31. Belittle all forms of American culture and discourage the teaching of American history on the ground that it was only a minor part of the “big picture.” Give more emphasis to Russian history since the Communists took over.

SWalker on February 4, 2013 at 6:50 PM

I understand someone of your age (I’m guessing 75+) finds all this a bit confusing.
Best not to think about it.

verbaluce on February 4, 2013 at 4:51 PM

So, you are bigoted towards older people, huh? Nice. I guess that means you are one of the young, enlightened ones who are so open minded to things like homosexual sex/marriage. Enlightened as Nero, who was so open to homosexuality he had at least 3 SS ‘marriages’ himself. Well done. You and your ilk like to accuse those of us who are social conservatives of wanting to go back to the 50′s. I laugh. Yeah, the 1950′s are so last century, man! You and your ilk, on the other hand, want to take us back to the actual 50′s-60′s. Wow, you are so progressive! What is really old is new again!

pannw on February 4, 2013 at 7:42 PM

So it seems that the Boy Scouts are pondering structural changes.

I propose they consider this one: Remove the President of the United States as their honorary president.

Time for a little separation of Scouts and State.

The_Jacobite on February 4, 2013 at 8:41 PM

this so-called ‘ban’ is dumb… it’s going away and local scout units can decide what they want to do. There aren’t huge lines of gays banging on the doors to volunteer with local scout units. There just aren’t. And the many gays who are currently volunteering within the BSA would be happy for this publicity to all go away. It is making a political football out of the scouts which is unfortunate.

gatorboy on February 4, 2013 at 4:26 PM

That’s all fine except that:

1) That doesn’t resolve how gay-resistant troops will deal with national or state jamborees or other events where they must interact with, and recognize, troops with open gays as their scoutmasters.

2) They won’t be satisfied with making “bigotry” optional.

The_Jacobite on February 4, 2013 at 8:46 PM

But the Presbyterian Church’s understanding of homosexuality is vastly different than it was one hundred years ago. I’m not sure if they have gay marriage yet, but they will. So admitting gays Scouts is or will be consistent with the Christian principles of the Presbyterian Church.

thuja on February 4, 2013 at 2:10 PM

Not all Presbyterian denominations have changed their teaching on this.

The_Jacobite on February 4, 2013 at 8:49 PM

It’s a net gain for gays to have O’s endorsement.

And a net loss for freedom to assemble

The Boy Scouts were religiously based. Their pledges included ‘God’ and good behavior was part of the training. Parents installed their children in such groups to have certain behavior reinforced

While gays have a different definition of good behavior, it is very wrong indeed to pressure a group to accept something against their morality. Gays should have created a homosexual scouting organization. That would have been the American model.

Instead, they concentrate on destroying or crushing any organization or institution, public or private, that does not share their morality.

What at one time was a request for ‘tolerance’ has been replaced with the momentum of the mob. Until a group declares sodomy to be clean and good, that group will be attacked. Until a public school teaches sodomy is clean and good, that school is reactionary.

The kid who sues to take down a club that does not fit his values, is a pawn in a dirty game. The game plays both ways. Break the protections of religion and assembly, and cheer, fools

entagor on February 4, 2013 at 8:59 PM

No. They were formed (in this country) by a businessman, WD Boyce, and were backed by several partners in the business world and several conservationists.
If you mean the originals in England, you’re still not correct. Baden-Powell started scouting there with his camp on Brownsea Island and his writings about teaching boys to be independent and capable.
If you have some other information, please cite a source.
GWB on February 4, 2013 at 11:34 AM

Thank you for setting the record straight. The Boy Scouts were NOT originally formed to be linked to a specific church.

It is utterly immoral and disgusting for the BSA to ban gay scouts.

People need to stop hiding behind their professed faith in order to give themselves an excuse to support a bigoted policy.

There is nothing wrong with being gay, and SHAME on all you HotAir readers for making excuses for and promoting ugly prejudice!

bluegill on February 4, 2013 at 9:15 PM

Romney said the same thing months ago.

Hal_10000 on February 4, 2013 at 9:18 PM

Thank you for setting the record straight. The Boy Scouts were NOT originally formed to be linked to a specific church.

bluegill on February 4, 2013 at 9:15 PM

You, just like GWB are WRONG. Not only are you wrong about the Boy Scouts, you are wrong about just about everything. So shut your stupid Marxist piehole.

SWalker on February 4, 2013 at 9:25 PM

I understand someone of your age (I’m guessing 75+) finds all this a bit confusing.
Best not to think about it.

verbaluce on February 4, 2013 at 4:51 PM

You’re the one who sounds confused, nancy-boy.

Which is probably why you don’t think too much. It makes your head hurt.

btw; No one likes a condescending, smarmy assclown…so you might try not acting like one so often.

Solaratov on February 4, 2013 at 9:32 PM

Seeing the comments on here demonizing gays reminds me of the Al Jazeera Arabic language TV programming that is filled with anti-Jewish propaganda. Fortunately most of the bigots on here are probably a bunch of old fogeys stuck in a time when certain kinds of bigotry was more acceptable, and these prejudiced views won’t be as widely represented in this country in the future. Many of you sick, ugly bigots give conservatives a bad name.

bluegill on February 4, 2013 at 9:43 PM

Seeing the comments on here demonizing gays reminds me of the Al Jazeera Arabic language TV programming that is filled with anti-Jewish propaganda. Fortunately most of the bigots on here are probably a bunch of old fogeys stuck in a time when certain kinds of bigotry was more acceptable, and these prejudiced views won’t be as widely represented in this country in the future. Many of you sick, ugly bigots give conservatives a bad name.

bluegill on February 4, 2013 at 9:43 PM

Go away stupid Marxist Moby Troll.

SWalker on February 4, 2013 at 9:53 PM

Go away stupid Marxist Moby Troll.
SWalker on February 4, 2013 at 9:53 PM

No, you go away, you Taliban-like, anti-free speech, bigotry-excusing pig.

bluegill on February 4, 2013 at 9:59 PM

Go away stupid Marxist Moby Troll.
SWalker on February 4, 2013 at 9:53 PM

No, you go away, you Taliban-like, anti-free speech, bigotry-excusing pig.

bluegill on February 4, 2013 at 9:59 PM

I do not think Free Speech means what you think it means you Marxist Douche bag. What it does not mean, is that You get to have an opinion and anyone who does not agree with you has to shut up.

It has been a tenant of Christian Theology for 2000 years that Homosexuality is a deviant and perverse behavior. That it is sinful and an abomination before God. The fact that you do not like this does not make it bigoted, nor is that tenant going to change because you do not like it.

SWalker on February 4, 2013 at 10:05 PM

No, you go away, you Taliban-like, anti-free speech, bigotry-excusing pig.

bluegill on February 4, 2013 at 9:59 PM

YOU go away, trolltard faggot.

MelonCollie on February 4, 2013 at 10:14 PM

bluegill on February 4, 2013 at 9:59 PM

More over, unlike you, having accrued a total of over 10 years of my life in first the Cub Scouts and then the Boy Scouts, I actually have a legitimate voice in this subject.

Contrary to what you may want to believe, the Boy Scout’s are and always were a Religious Organization.

Barnes-Wallace v. Boy Scouts of America

In 2003, Judge Napoleon A. Jones Jr. of the United States District Court for the Southern District of California ruled that the Boy Scouts of America is, by its own admission[7] a religious organization

Supreme Court says Boy Scouts can bar gay troop leaders.

The justices by a 5-4 vote overturned a New Jersey Supreme Court ruling that the dismissal of a gay Scout leader had been illegal under the state’s anti-discrimination law.

The Boy Scouts, which also exclude atheists and agnostics as leaders, said it has the right to decide who can join its ranks.

Forcing it to accept gays would violate its constitutional right of freedom of association and free speech under the First Amendment, it said.

Chief Justice William Rehnquist agreed. He said for the court majority that applying a state public accommodations law to require the Boy Scouts to admit a gay troop leader violates the group’s constitutional right of expressive association.

Since you are not, never were, and never will be a Boy Scout, you have no legitimate voice in this debate. However, as a typical totalitarian Marxist, you simply cannot resist the impulse to force your own perverse deviant version of morals and ethics on organization that find those values of yours repugnant and offensive.

Sit down and Shut up, you do not get a vote on this.

SWalker on February 4, 2013 at 10:27 PM

Sit down and Shut up, you do not get a vote on this.
SWalker on February 4, 2013 at 10:27 PM

Here’s a little memo, direct from me to you:
We will comment when we like, how we like, and where we like, whether or not anti-free speech, Taliban-like, bigotry-excusing pigs like it. And don’t you forget it.

As for the Boy Scouts, they are going to drop the ban themselves, so that Supreme Court decision becomes moot. The bigots are just stomping their feet and pouting because they know their bigoted ways are being soundly rejected.

You people demonizing gays with your hateful, ugly, juvenile stupidity are a cancer to the conservative cause. Real conservatives judge people as individuals and based on the content of their character, NOT with prejudicial, nasty generalizations that sound straight out of the Taliban mind.

bluegill on February 4, 2013 at 10:56 PM

btw; No one likes a condescending, smarmy assclown…
Solaratov on February 4, 2013 at 9:32 PM

So says the condescending, smarmy assclown?
Wow. That is some good stuff.

verbaluce on February 4, 2013 at 11:02 PM

give conservatives a bad name.

bluegill on February 4, 2013 at 9:43 PM

…I don’t think ‘conservative’ means what YOU think it means!

KOOLAID2 on February 4, 2013 at 11:09 PM

Wow. That is some good stuff.

verbaluce on February 4, 2013 at 11:02 PM

…your mom’s barking!…time to go back to the basement for dinner.
…do you like the dry kibbled stuff…or the can food?

KOOLAID2 on February 4, 2013 at 11:11 PM

Sit down and Shut up, you do not get a vote on this.
SWalker on February 4, 2013 at 10:27 PM

Here’s a little memo, direct from me to you:
We will comment when we like, how we like, and where we like, whether or not anti-free speech, Taliban-like, bigotry-excusing pigs like it. And don’t you forget it.

As for the Boy Scouts, they are going to drop the ban themselves, so that Supreme Court decision becomes moot. The bigots are just stomping their feet and pouting because they know their bigoted ways are being soundly rejected.

You people demonizing gays with your hateful, ugly, juvenile stupidity are a cancer to the conservative cause. Real conservatives judge people as individuals and based on the content of their character, NOT with prejudicial, nasty generalizations that sound straight out of the Taliban mind.

bluegill on February 4, 2013 at 10:56 PM

The stupid is amazingly strong with you. No, you will not. You can spout your garbage here all you want, but in the end, you still get no voice what so ever in what the Boy Scouts decide to do.

Furthermore, the Boy Scout’s may decide to lift their ban, but since at this time they have only said that they will consider lifting it, your celebrations are a bit premature. And should the Boy Scout’s lift that ban, they will in effect cease to be the Boy Scouts.

Yet once more, just as regarding the Boy Scout’s, whom you get no voice what so ever in any decisions they make, likewise you as a damned Marxist get no voice in what does or does not constitute being a Conservative.

You are like a thief and a murderer, you break in to steal and kill, not to create or preserve. Your hypocrisy is utterly astounding, comparing Christians and Christian theology to the Taliban only shows how ignorant of both Christianity and Islam.

You claim to be an advocate of free speech, yet seek only to silence opposing views to yours through intimidation and outright lies.

SWalker on February 4, 2013 at 11:28 PM

bluegill sounds like Dan savage or libfree’s butt buddy Tim whatshissodomitename…

Thanks for the confession. Everyone can quit pretending you are remotely a voice for conservatives.

tom daschle concerned on February 4, 2013 at 11:42 PM

I’ll give you a little inside baseball on the Scouts. Our primary goal is to raise responsible, productive members of society. Kids who participate in the community and adhere to values which we still believe are important in society.

On my honor, I will do my best
To do my duty to God and my country and to obey the Scout Law;
To help other people at all times;
To keep myself physically strong, mentally awake and morally straight.

The safety of the boys is paramount. Look up the “two-deep” rule. It means at no time can a boy ever be alone with an adult. Ever. Any infraction is stopped and reported, and offenders are removed. Pretty simple stuff, and it’s all about the kids and allowing them to focus on camping, not sex education or social engineering.

And to that end, we always segregate the boys from the girls, even on family gatherings. Except for when families share a tent, at no time do boys and girls sleep together, nor do boys sleep with adults. And in a heterosexual environment, it’s pretty easy to segregate the sexes.

Homosexuality makes things problematic. If you can’t see why, I’m not going to belabor the point. But to force gays into Scouting is just unfair to the Scouts. Would I feel differently if AJ was on his way to Eagle and announced he was gay? I don’t honestly know, I’m not there. But I know why from a practical standpoint I think gays that are forcing themselves into Scouting are being horribly selfish – something I see amongst extremists of all stripes these days.

AJsDaddie on February 4, 2013 at 11:47 PM

So says the condescending, smarmy assclown?
Wow. That is some good stuff.

verbaluce on February 4, 2013 at 11:02 PM

You’re not very good at this, are you, nancy-boy?

Solaratov on February 5, 2013 at 12:26 AM

give conservatives a bad name.

bluegill on February 4, 2013 at 9:43 PM

What the hell would you know about Conservatives?

Solaratov on February 5, 2013 at 12:28 AM

Is there nothing so stupid or trivial – from gay Boy Scouts to Nicki Minaj and Mariah Carey feuding on American Idol – that this inept failure of a President won’t open his big fat yep about it?

But when it comes to jobs, all we hear are lies – or, more often, the sound of chirping crickets.

DRayRaven on February 5, 2013 at 6:19 AM

So says the condescending, smarmy assclown?
Wow. That is some good stuff.
verbaluce on February 4, 2013 at 11:02 PM
You’re not very good at this, are you, nancy-boy?
Solaratov on February 5, 2013 at 12:26 AM

Man, the irony continues.
‘Nancy-boy’….Ha.

verbaluce on February 5, 2013 at 6:50 AM

Oh my God, even Eagle Scout Nick Gillespie thinks gays should be allowed in the Boy Scouts.

Here is the link to his article in Reason Magazine: http://reason.com/blog/2013/02/02/nick-gillespie-in-wsj-on-the-boys-scouts

SC.Charlie on February 5, 2013 at 8:45 AM

Oh my God, even Eagle Scout Nick Gillespie thinks gays should be allowed in the Boy Scouts.
Here is the link to his article in Reason Magazine: http://reason.com/blog/2013/02/02/nick-gillespie-in-wsj-on-the-boys-scouts
SC.Charlie on February 5, 2013 at 8:45 AM

Good for him!

Seriously, I want to see the anti-gay crap cast out of the party. Just look at this thread. People calling others anti-gay epithets and saying that gays want to molest our children.

This is shameful!

Kicking out a gay teen simply because he acknowledged his orientation is so nasty and hateful and just plain stupid, I’m surprised more of you aren’t appalled by it.

I always thought the Dems were full of it when they said the GOP was the party of hate. And I still pretty much do. but some of you commenters here only help give credence to the Dems’ characterizations.

bluegill on February 5, 2013 at 9:05 AM

I always thought the Dems were full of it when they said the GOP was the party of hate. And I still pretty much do. but some of you commenters here only help give credence to the Dems’ characterizations.

bluegill on February 5, 2013 at 9:05 AM

Plenty of flawed thinkers in both parties.
But on this issue…the homophobic ragers are well in the minority.
They just like posting more.

verbaluce on February 5, 2013 at 10:12 AM

There is nothing wrong with being gay, and SHAME on all you HotAir readers for making excuses for and promoting ugly prejudice!

bluegill on February 4, 2013 at 9:15 PM

Sorry, I will take the Word of God and His Church over your word on the matter every day of the week. There is nothing wrong with suffering from same-sex attraction, but embracing it and acting on it is wrong.

You people demonizing gays with your hateful, ugly, juvenile stupidity are a cancer to the conservative cause. Real conservatives judge people as individuals and based on the content of their character, NOT with prejudicial, nasty generalizations that sound straight out of the Taliban mind.

Many of you sick, ugly bigots give conservatives a bad name.

bluegill on February 4, 2013 at 9:43 PM

Oh, thank you; more please!

Blessed are ye when they shall revile you, and persecute you, and speak all that is evil against you, untruly, for my sake: Be glad and rejoice, for your reward is very great in heaven. For so they persecuted the prophets that were before you.

pannw on February 5, 2013 at 10:12 AM

Seriously, I want to see the anti-gay crap cast out of the party.

bluegill on February 5, 2013 at 9:05 AM

You are not a republican or a conservative, just a lying trolling Moby. You do not get a voice in what our morals, ethic’s or values are. Go back to your Marxist buddies.

SWalker on February 5, 2013 at 10:35 AM

bluegill on February 5, 2013 at 9:05 AM

The other part of this that’s frustrating –
is that’s it’s just another case where Allahpundit and/or Ed don’t step in to offer any good example.
Both of these guys support SSM…and I’m fairly certain they feel it’s time for the BSA to step up and make this change.
But after a cautiously worded post…crickets.
There’s a ‘base’ here…I get that.
But it’d be nice if they drew a line on some of the nastier stuff.
Or at least were less cagey on these issues.

As for the

pannw on February 5, 2013 at 10:12 AM

types, with their deluded ‘I have hotline to God!’ angle – they self-denigrate with their own words. Best to just let them be.

verbaluce on February 5, 2013 at 10:36 AM

King Hussein of DC seems to think he’s on “The View” everyday.

Obviously, gays don’t really want to be in the scouts. Obviously no sane parent would let their child join a “gays-welcome” troop. Obviously, the girl scouts would not allow adolescent boys as members or leaders. Obviously, the left hates all standards-based organizations.

Maybe he should be on “The View” everyday. He can get his divisive opinions out of the way before heading off to his daily round of presidenting.

virgo on February 5, 2013 at 11:41 AM

There is nothing wrong with being gay, and SHAME on all you HotAir readers for making excuses for and promoting ugly prejudice!

bluegill on February 4, 2013 at 9:15 PM

Homosexual practice is a sin in the Bible. Christian faith says there is a lot wrong in sinning even in your heart. However, the first admonition from Christ is to go and sin no more – that is, stop practicing the sin. This is not prejudice. This is obedience to the faith. Parents raising their children in the Bible will not want their children taught to approve or practice that which is called sin.

I would not tell an Amish group they must let females join who wear short skirts and makeup, or mate without matrimony, or practice homosexuality. It is called freedom of religion and right to assemble

Get your own group and take your meds too

Many of you sick, ugly bigots give conservatives a bad name.
bluegill on February 4, 2013 at 9:43 PM

Heh. The name is ‘conservatism’. From Wikipedia:

Conservatism (Latin: conservare, “to retain”) is a political and social philosophy that promotes retaining traditional social institutions. A person who follows the philosophies of conservatism is referred to as a traditionalist or conservative.

entagor on February 5, 2013 at 11:44 AM

verbaluce on February 5, 2013 at 10:36 AM

:)

For I am not ashamed of the gospel.

Romans 1 are you, verbaluce.

pannw on February 5, 2013 at 11:51 AM

For I am not ashamed of the gospel.

pannw on February 5, 2013 at 11:51 AM

But of course.
You have no shame.

verbaluce on February 5, 2013 at 12:18 PM

I find it quite horrible that a gay teenager who just affirms that he is gay is supposed to be booted out of the Boy Scouts. You can quote the Bible all you what to, but that is just the way that I feel. How about you, Ed and Allah?

SC.Charlie on February 5, 2013 at 12:26 PM

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