Karl Rove’s Super PAC creating new group aimed at helping establishment candidates in GOP primaries

posted at 10:31 am on February 4, 2013 by Allahpundit

We knew this was coming, no? A month ago, Politico reported that Senate Republicans were planning to intervene more aggressively in GOP primaries in hopes of clearing the field for their preferred candidates. A few days later, Steve LaTourette announced that the Republican Main Street Partnership was dropping “Republican” from its name and would intervene on behalf of centrist candidates from both parties in congressional elections. Now here comes Rove’s group, American Crossroads, pledging untold millions towards electing the most allegedly “electable” candidate in Republican primaries. No more Akins — and maybe no more Marco Rubios, Rand Pauls, and Ted Cruzes too?

The group, the Conservative Victory Project, is intended to counter other organizations that have helped defeat establishment Republican candidates over the last two election cycles. It is the most robust attempt yet by Republicans to impose a new sense of discipline on the party, particularly in primary races.

“There is a broad concern about having blown a significant number of races because the wrong candidates were selected,” said Steven J. Law, the president of American Crossroads, the “super PAC” creating the new project. “We don’t view ourselves as being in the incumbent protection business, but we want to pick the most conservative candidate who can win.”…

The group’s plans, which were outlined for the first time last week in an interview with Mr. Law, call for hard-edge campaign tactics, including television advertising, against candidates whom party leaders see as unelectable and a drag on the efforts to win the Senate. Mr. Law cited Iowa as an example and said Republicans could no longer be squeamish about intervening in primary fights.

“We’re concerned about Steve King’s Todd Akin problem,” Mr. Law said. “This is an example of candidate discipline and how it would play in a general election. All of the things he’s said are going to be hung around his neck.”

Is it really about Steve King? Politico’s Jonathan Martin floats a compelling alternative theory:

Read Erick Erickson, Ben Shapiro, and the boss emeritus, all wondering why we should trust a guy like Rove who has TARP, Medicare Part D, No Child Left Behind, huge federal deficits, and an abysmal record of 2012 election spending to his record. I said most of what I have to say about the big establishment pushback effort in the posts linked up top, but let me add three things:

1. I think in most cases the threat of a party’s nominee being badly damaged in the general by a tough primary is overblown (see, e.g., Obama vs. Hillary), but the threat increases a lot if one of the primary candidates is being attacked by his opponent as a crank and a nut. If the “crank” goes on to win, public opinion of him will likely have dropped enough by the time the general campaign begins that he’ll start in a deep hole polling-wise. Even if the “crank” loses, his supporters may be so alienated by the establishment GOP effort to demonize him that they stay home. Bad outcomes, either way.

2. Will the Conservative Victory Project target tea partiers based on their policy preferences or their penchant for saying “crank-ish” things? A guy like Cruz may vote much more conservatively than Rove et al. would prefer but it’s hard to imagine him stumbling onto a rhetorical landmine with national implications a la Akin. If they stick to going after candidates whose main liability is destructive soundbites, that might encourage grassroots candidates to be more circumspect in opining publicly on things like, oh, say, rape. If they’re going after people because, e.g., they oppose a path to citizenship, that’ll create much deeper, more bitter intraparty divisions.

3. Will they target races that involve open seats only, a la Iowa’s Senate seat, or will they actually go so far as to try to oust tea-party incumbents from Congress? That would be nuclear war in the GOP, so I assume no, it’ll only be open seats.

Exit quotation from Erickson: “I dare say any candidate who gets this group’s support should be targeted for destruction by the conservative movement.”

Update: Whole lotta money’s going to be spent in Republican primaries next year:

But the Club for Growth and the Senate Conservatives Fund, both of which boost candidates on the right, said the new group — which they mockingly nicknamed the “Conservative Defeat Project,” is another example of “the Republican establishment’s hostility toward its conservative base.”

“Rather than listening to the grassroots and working to advance their principles, the establishment has chosen to declare war on the party’s most loyal supporters,” said Matt Hoskins, executive director of the Senate Conservatives Fund…

“They are welcome to support the likes of Arlen Specter, Charlie Crist and David Dewhurst,” Keller said of the new Crossroads group. “We will continue to proudly support the likes of Pat Toomey, Marco Rubio and Ted Cruz.”


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“We don’t view ourselves as being in the incumbent protection business,”

That’s true. You would support any Vichy Republican in a primary because you are in the anti-conservative business and allied with the Indonesian and his lunatic junta, doing everything you can to find so-called Republicans who will cave to Barky and Co., attack conservatives, and allow America to be flushed down the toilet by an ineligible 84 IQ incompetent and his gang of useless, America-hating idiots.

You Vichy Republicans are scum, almost as bad as the Indonesian and the dems, which is no mean feat. You should all FOAD and take that crybaby azzwipe and his leadership kooks with you.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on February 4, 2013 at 11:26 AM

idesign on February 4, 2013 at 11:20 AM

Just goes to prove that even Republicans have low info voters. Tag it and they will bite.

Cindy Munford on February 4, 2013 at 11:27 AM

Oh, I see. You’re looking for Perfection. You won’t find it on this earth. But Sarah has a much better success rate that Rove, etal has.

We know Sarah is FOR America, whereas Rove and his Group is NOT.

Vote with Rove then.

bluefox on February 4, 2013 at 11:24 AM

Bro … King Mold doesn’t seek perfection. If he did he’d quit backing losing establishment candidates.

HondaV65 on February 4, 2013 at 11:27 AM

@michellemalkin: Karl Zod Rove and his Incumbency Protection Racket are the problem, not the #TeaParty. ===> http://t.co/uhc8Uo5v

idesign on February 4, 2013 at 11:23 AM

I will make another prediction! This group will have ties to the DNC for sponsorship. Big DNC contributors!

jjnco73 on February 4, 2013 at 11:28 AM

To Hades with Rove and all who keep bringing losers.

Plus, spend less, Azzhole in Chief et all.

Schadenfreude on February 4, 2013 at 11:31 AM

Cindy Munford on February 4, 2013 at 11:18 AM

Cindy: Honda has bragged about voting for OBAMA. Don’t listen to her/him.
My husband is a local GOP precinct committee chairman. We will NOT be changing our party affiliations-rather we will continue working to change the party from within. Chris Wynn got 30% of the vote during the GOP primaries against Neugebauer. As a result, Neugebauer has moved right…because he KNOWS now that he’s being watched VERY closely. THAT is how you do it.

annoyinglittletwerp on February 4, 2013 at 11:31 AM

Hmmm, while looking to see which of our commenters always says “The GOP will betray you”, I found this.

Agreed.

I was one of the loudest voices after 2008 calling for the grassroots to have more power in the selection process.

After the debacle of the 2010 primaries, it’s clear the grassroots was given too much power.

KingGold on November 17, 2012 at 3:25 PM

Wasn’t 2010 a good year of the Republicans?

Cindy Munford on February 4, 2013 at 11:31 AM

I have to confess you’re right

Get used to saying that, moron. I usually am.

… it’s much better to gain the votes Willard did and have him LOSE than it is for Ted Cruz to pull fewer votes and yet still win.

With winners like you boy I tell ya …

HondaV65 on February 4, 2013 at 11:24 AM

Yeah, it would have served conservatives so much better to have one of the crackpots that you love who got landslided to defeat at the top of the ticket. Think of how many more congressional seats we would have picked up!

crrr6 on February 4, 2013 at 11:31 AM

ALL who brung/kept Obama, may you and yours be utterly destroyed by him.

Schadenfreude on February 4, 2013 at 11:33 AM

annoyinglittletwerp on February 4, 2013 at 11:31 AM

Sorry but I won’t discount what he says. I couldn’t do what he has done but I do believe that if the grassroots don’t make a stand and push back, then we are going to keep getting Dem Lite and our problems will worsen.

Cindy Munford on February 4, 2013 at 11:34 AM

Yeah, it would have served conservatives so much better to have one of the crackpots that you love who got landslided to defeat at the top of the ticket. Think of how many more congressional seats we would have picked up!

crrr6 on February 4, 2013 at 11:31 AM

Yep. It would have been great from a Democratic standpoint.. Which is Honda’s party affiliation.

Illinidiva on February 4, 2013 at 11:36 AM

Illinidiva on February 4, 2013 at 11:36 AM

No, he’s a just a fed up citizen. And he has every right to be.

Cindy Munford on February 4, 2013 at 11:37 AM

I have to confess you’re right … it’s much better to gain the votes Willard did and have him LOSE than it is for Ted Cruz to pull fewer votes and yet still win.

HondaV65 on February 4, 2013 at 11:24 AM

Let me give ya a hint: Obama did not really receive every vote that was counted for him. I don’t think we can chalk that particular twist up as Cruz’s achievement.

Archivarix on February 4, 2013 at 11:39 AM

idesign on February 4, 2013 at 11:07 AM

You forgot the house troll:-) Just in case any here don’t know who it is.

bluefox on February 4, 2013 at 11:40 AM

Karl Rove is a liar and a back stabber. I agree with Erick:
Exit quotation from Erickson: “I dare say any candidate who gets this group’s support should be targeted for destruction by the conservative movement.”

I’m waiting for Sarah and depending on her selections. Karl Rove and the RINOS want a fight, well we are here and ready!! We are all Breitbart and more!!!!

Oh, and you can bet that “severely Conservative” is right on board with Rove et al.

bluefox on February 4, 2013 at 10:45 AM

Rove is a rino. The candidates he supports are rinos. It is
insulting that he uses the word “conservative” (Conservative Victory Project)in the name of the group. More kabuki theatre with the rino crowd. Not one dime from me.

I am also waiting for Sarah Palin, free from her shackles
at Fox, to aid in the election of conservatives in 2014.
Actually, I am already getting excited about the 2014 elections.
Hopefully, there will be many conservative candidates to support.

We voters, however, need to be more involved in doing our own
research of the candidates. We need to realize that since Washington is pretty much broken, the city/county/state elections
have become even more critical. As the states continue to take
a stand and sue the federal government (Arizona is suing the EPA
for their attack on coal for instance), we find that taking back
states rights is the best way to take on the Obama thugs right now.

Amjean on February 4, 2013 at 11:41 AM

Well, something had to be done. I’m happy to see Rove stepping up to the plate.

What happened with Sharron Angle, Christine O’Donnell, Akin and Mourdock was a disgrace. To be honest, I think a lot of the Republican primary voters aren’t the swiftest. When you base your vote on a Sarah Palib endorsement, it doesn’t say a whole lot of positive things about your standards.

Some of you act like only 100% very conservative candidates should be nominated, regardless of the state and regardless of whether they can win.

I say that we nominate the most conservative candidate that can actually win in a a particular state. No more nominating people simply for the emotional satisfaction of thinking you are sticking it to the establishment boogeyman that you’ve built up in your head.

So many of you have predictable, knee-jerk reactions to anything described to you as “of the establishment.”

Why not look at this Rove effort as a way to get back control of the Senate. At least he is doing something, and I’m telling you the Angle and Akin idiocy must be prevented from ever happening again.

bluegill on February 4, 2013 at 11:42 AM

crrr6 on February 4, 2013 at 11:31 AM

I haven’t seen you around in awhile, I hope you have been well.

Cindy Munford on February 4, 2013 at 11:42 AM

Cindy Munford on February 4, 2013 at 11:34 AM

I love ya-you know that-but we will have to disagree.
Honda voted for Obama. I refuse to pay heed to an Obama supporter.

annoyinglittletwerp on February 4, 2013 at 11:44 AM

You forgot the house troll:-) Just in case any here don’t know who it is.

bluefox on February 4, 2013 at 11:40 AM

Yea, and it showed up anyway.

idesign on February 4, 2013 at 11:45 AM

Cindy Munford on February 4, 2013 at 11:37 AM

He’s an azz and a troll. Period.

annoyinglittletwerp on February 4, 2013 at 11:45 AM

I haven’t seen you around in awhile, I hope you have been well.

Cindy Munford on February 4, 2013 at 11:42 AM

I’m not who you think I am. ;-)

crrr6 on February 4, 2013 at 11:45 AM

I will actively work to elect Conservative candidates, and work twice as hard to throw out Sacred Cow Republicans.

If it means making the Republican Party a minority party, so be it. I am no longer going to tolerate a liberal Republican hierarchy.

portlandon on February 4, 2013 at 11:46 AM

“We don’t view ourselves as being in the incumbent protection business, but we want to pick the most conservative candidate who can win.”…

No more Akins — and maybe no more Marco Rubios, Rand Pauls, and Ted Cruzes too?

While I think that we all agree in principle that we’d like to support “the most conservative candidate who can win,” Rove probably wouldn’t support Rubio, Paul and Cruz, despite the fact that they won. But he’d likely support a Romney-type candidate. Romney didn’t win. Thus, I submit that he needs to go back to school and learn a little bit more about who “the most conservative candidate who can win” is.

besser tot als rot on February 4, 2013 at 11:46 AM

I’m not who you think I am. ;-)

crrr6 on February 4, 2013 at 11:45 AM

You have on too many “R’s” to be the nutjob crr6.

portlandon on February 4, 2013 at 11:46 AM

So if incumbent Rick (Let’s return unspent tax dollars to Texas taxpayers) Perry runs for the governorship of Texas in 2014…He can count on Rove’s support?

Nah…that aint’ gonna happen.

workingclass artist on February 4, 2013 at 11:47 AM

crrr6 on February 4, 2013 at 11:45 AM

Oh yeah, don’t you have more r’s. But have you been around lately?

Cindy Munford on February 4, 2013 at 11:48 AM

Bozell: Moderates With Their Disastrous Record Must Be Rejected By GOP

http://www.theminorityreportblog.com/2013/02/04/bozell-moderates-with-their-disastrous-record-must-be-rejected-by-gop/

ALEXANDRIA, Va. – ForAmerica Chairman L. Brent Bozell III today released a statement in response to the announcement of the moderate GOP establishment’s efforts to oppose traditional conservatives and support moderates and liberals in the 2014 elections.

“The days of conservatives listening to the moderate GOP establishment are over,” Bozell said. “Their idea of the most ‘electable’ presidential candidate was Mitt Romney, and before him John McCain and before him Bob Dole, and we have all seen the results. The moderate GOP establishment record in Senate races last year was abysmal: every single one of their candidates lost. We don’t need a second Democrat Party in Washington. If we had listened to them, there would be no Pat Toomey, no Marco Rubio, no Mike Lee, no Rand Paul, and no Ted Cruz in the Senate today. In every case the moderates said they too were ‘unelectable.’ It’s these same Rockefeller Republicans who said Ronald Reagan was unelectable. Instead of lectures, these moderates should stand aside and let the conservative movement lead the party back to prominence. When the GOP is once again unabashed in its support for real conservative values like freedom, prosperity and virtue, only then will it succeed.”

“These fake conservatives need to go away before they do more damage.”

redguy on February 4, 2013 at 11:48 AM

Why not look at this Rove effort as a way to get back control of the Senate.

bluegill on February 4, 2013 at 11:42 AM

Rove is one of the main reasons that the Republican party is in the shape it is in today.

During the Bush administration, they threw away principles and embraced big government.

Stimulus, bailouts, Medicare Part D, NCLB, etc, Rove was an enthusiastic supporter and cheerleader.

I’ll give him this much: He broke with the GOPe on Charlie Crist and endorsed Marco Rubio. And, no matter how much some here may be disappointed in Rubio relative to immigration reform, he is lightyears better than a Senator Charlie Crist, who probably would have started caucusing with the Democrats after the November election.

Resist We Much on February 4, 2013 at 11:48 AM

After the debacle of the 2010 primaries, it’s clear the grassroots was given too much power.

KingGold on November 17, 2012 at 3:25 PM

You mean the 2010 that elected the wave of Repubs to the House ever?

portlandon on February 4, 2013 at 11:48 AM

After the debacle of the 2010 primaries, it’s clear the grassroots was given too much power.

KingGold on November 17, 2012 at 3:25 PM

Wasn’t 2010 a good year of the Republicans?

Cindy Munford on February 4, 2013 at 11:31 AM

Right-O. KingGold wants us to pull in more center/center-left statists like Romney who can bring to us the debacle of 2012. So we don’t repeat the debacle (??) of 2010, you see.

besser tot als rot on February 4, 2013 at 11:49 AM

I am also waiting for Sarah Palin, free from her shackles
at Fox,
Amjean on February 4, 2013 at 11:41 AM

Um, Palin was essentially fired by Fox because she didn’t want to accept the pay cut. Getting paid a million a year to spew cliched platitudes for a minute or two a few times a week, as Palin was, isn’t exactly being shackled. Palin was making off very well and providing very little in return, so lets quit the “she was shackled” nonsense. Now she can go be a sidekick on the Glenn Beck Show, as many expect her to. Or maybe her canceled reality show about Alaska will get a second try.

bluegill on February 4, 2013 at 11:50 AM

I’ll give him this much: He broke with the GOPe on Charlie Crist and endorsed Marco Rubio. And, no matter how much some here may be disappointed in Rubio relative to immigration reform, he is lightyears better than a Senator Charlie Crist, who probably would have started caucusing with the Democrats after the November election.

Resist We Much on February 4, 2013 at 11:48 AM

Kaye Bailey Hutchinson…so there’s that

workingclass artist on February 4, 2013 at 11:51 AM

bluegill on February 4, 2013 at 11:42 AM

Yeah. People don’t realize that a blue states aren’t going to elect someone who would easily win in Oklahoma. Even a Marco Rubio probably couldn’t be elected statewide in IL. To win those sorts of races, you’ll have to nominate someone like Mark Kirk. Yes, he is squishy, but he is good on fiscal and national security issues and much better than the mob-tied pretty boy the Ds put up against him.

Illinidiva on February 4, 2013 at 11:51 AM

annoyinglittletwerp on February 4, 2013 at 11:44 AM

Not a problem, my support of Honda’s disillusionment has no impact on my feeling for you or anyone else. I don’t think his protest changed any minds in the Republican party but if it made him feel better it works for me. Although I can’t imagine giving $500 bucks to someone I liked let alone someone who is totally opposed to my beliefs.

Cindy Munford on February 4, 2013 at 11:51 AM

I’ll give him this much: He broke with the GOPe on Charlie Crist and endorsed Marco Rubio.

Resist We Much on February 4, 2013 at 11:48 AM

I didn’t remember that. So, maybe he isn’t quite as bad as some of the HA statist claiming to be Republicans.

besser tot als rot on February 4, 2013 at 11:51 AM

Love the so called logic of RINOs. If a Tea Party candidate loses, it’s because they were too extreme.
If an establishment candidate loses, it’s because of those darned extremist Tea Party candidates.

Hard Right on February 4, 2013 at 11:51 AM

portlandon on February 4, 2013 at 11:46 AM

Amen.

Cindy Munford on February 4, 2013 at 11:53 AM

Resist We Much on February 4, 2013 at 11:48 AM

Yes but Sen. Rubio is a protegee of Jeb Bush, so that’s hardly surprising.

Cindy Munford on February 4, 2013 at 11:54 AM

Rove is a dinosaur from Bush era. Don’t need him and am not happy to see him creeping back on FOX.

That being said, Malkin is a shrill part of the Conservative Money Industry making the cash writing about our problems but never doing anything about them. Self-promotion is her main game.

Disappointing in her own way.

Sherman1864 on February 4, 2013 at 11:55 AM

Cindy Munford on February 4, 2013 at 11:51 AM

That’s one of the nice things about west Texas. EVERY candidate that I voted for won..except for one certain race. *sigh*

annoyinglittletwerp on February 4, 2013 at 11:56 AM

Illinidiva on February 4, 2013 at 11:51 AM

You are wrong, we do realize it but we have a huge problem with them being offered as the model of the prototypical Republican we should strive for.

Cindy Munford on February 4, 2013 at 11:56 AM

Exit quotation from Erickson: “I dare say any candidate who gets this group’s support should be targeted for destruction by the conservative movement.”

I think this is stupid. Do we have to engage in tribalism? How about we judge the candidates for ourselves, irrespective of who does or does not support them?

besser tot als rot on February 4, 2013 at 11:57 AM

bluefox on February 4, 2013 at 11:24 AM

Bro … King Mold doesn’t seek perfection. If he did he’d quit backing losing establishment candidates.

HondaV65 on February 4, 2013 at 11:27 AM

LOL. I didn’t see idesign’s list. Actually, I know that any that are against Sarah Palin aren’t Conservatives anyway. We have one here, the HA House troll that that tries to fake it, but we are onto that tactic. This one speaks with forked tongue, LOL

bluefox on February 4, 2013 at 11:57 AM

No more Akins
posted at 10:31 am on February 4, 2013 by Allahpundit

Why? Look at the 3 candidates.

Todd Akin (36%) – In Missouri House of Representative from 1988-2000. Elected to US House of Representatives 6 times from 2000 to 2010, with 68% of vote in his last election.Lifetime ACU rating of 97%. ‘A’ rating from NRA.

John Brunner (30%)- never held elected office. Chairman of Vi-Jon a company that makes “makes private label products such as deodorants and nail polish remover”. Not much known about his political views.

Sarah Steelman (29%) – In Missouri Senate 1999-2005. State Treasurer 2005-2009.

Until Todd Akin became a pariah, everything about him was conservative, electable, and establishment. The potential Tea Party candidates were Brunner (outsider) and Steelman (endorsed by Palin.) Akin was the definition of a reliable conservative vote in Congress, supporting many of Bush’s conservative policies but also opposing overreach such as No Child Left Behind. If Karl Rove’s group had gotten involved in MO Sen, they would’ve picked Akin. If you think Todd Akin is the problem, then you have to also think that the ACU rating system that gave him 97% and the Republican base that elected him a dozen times is broken.

sauldalinsky on February 4, 2013 at 11:57 AM

Kaye Bailey Hutchinson…so there’s that

workingclass artist on February 4, 2013 at 11:51 AM

Tru dat.

I didn’t remember that. So, maybe he isn’t quite as bad as some of the HA statist claiming to be Republicans.

besser tot als rot on February 4, 2013 at 11:51 AM

He’s pretty bad, but that was one of the few shining moments for him in the past few years.

Rove is right regarding the need to nominate ELECTABLE candidates, but he has trashed the Tea Party since its inception. Without the Tea Party – and this is something that Washington insiders like Rove and Boehner forget – it is HIGHLY DOUBTFUL that the Republicans would have taken back the House in 2010. So, they can bytch and moan all that they want about the “amateurs,” but the non-professionals have had a better understanding of where people are and getting candidates elected to office than the GOPe.

Resist We Much on February 4, 2013 at 11:58 AM

Illinidiva on February 4, 2013 at 11:51 AM

You are wrong, we do realize it but we have a huge problem with them being offered as the model of the prototypical Republican we should strive for.

Cindy Munford on February 4, 2013 at 11:56 AM

Shhh. If we don’t leave them their strawmen, how are they going to feel like the superior elite over us po’ dunk, country bumpkin, rubes?

besser tot als rot on February 4, 2013 at 11:58 AM

If Karl Rove’s group had gotten involved in MO Sen, they would’ve picked Akin.

sauldalinsky on February 4, 2013 at 11:57 AM

I doubt that.

Resist We Much on February 4, 2013 at 11:59 AM

Oh yeah, don’t you have more r’s. But have you been around lately?

Cindy Munford on February 4, 2013 at 11:48 AM

Don’t “Count” on an answer. I’m trying to stay here for a while. ;-)

crrr6 on February 4, 2013 at 11:59 AM

Resist We Much on February 4, 2013 at 11:48 AM

You missed Rove’s push for amnesty…it failed then…but is moving ahead now.

Schadenfreude on February 4, 2013 at 12:00 PM

Until Todd Akin became a pariah, everything about him was conservative, electable, and establishment. The potential Tea Party candidates were Brunner (outsider) and Steelman (endorsed by Palin.) Akin was the definition of a reliable conservative vote in Congress, supporting many of Bush’s conservative policies but also opposing overreach such as No Child Left Behind. If Karl Rove’s group had gotten involved in MO Sen, they would’ve picked Akin. If you think Todd Akin is the problem, then you have to also think that the ACU rating system that gave him 97% and the Republican base that elected him a dozen times is broken.

sauldalinsky on February 4, 2013 at 11:57 AM

Exactly.

besser tot als rot on February 4, 2013 at 12:02 PM

besser tot als rot on February 4, 2013 at 11:58 AM

I may have doubts about many things but the strength of their superiority complex isn’t one of them.

Cindy Munford on February 4, 2013 at 12:02 PM

crrr6 on February 4, 2013 at 11:59 AM

I think I get it. Welcome…back.
*wink*

annoyinglittletwerp on February 4, 2013 at 12:02 PM

crrr6 on February 4, 2013 at 11:59 AM

I hope you stay forever, whoever you are.

Cindy Munford on February 4, 2013 at 12:03 PM

We voters, however, need to be more involved in doing our own
research of the candidates. We need to realize that since Washington is pretty much broken, the city/county/state elections
have become even more critical. As the states continue to take
a stand and sue the federal government (Arizona is suing the EPA
for their attack on coal for instance), we find that taking back
states rights is the best way to take on the Obama thugs right now.

Amjean on February 4, 2013 at 11:41 AM

Yes, we do need to do research. States rights are SO important. We did good in 2010, but have to continue. I think Conservatives in the States aren’t organized enough, our energies are scattered.

bluefox on February 4, 2013 at 12:04 PM

You missed Rove’s push for amnesty…it failed then…but is moving ahead now.

Schadenfreude on February 4, 2013 at 12:00 PM

Yes, I did. As for immigration reform, something does have to be done. The idea that the US is going to send 11 million illegal aliens back home is just never going to happen. While it angers me greatly that they will be rewarded for breaking the law even as there are people that have paid thousands of dollars and are patiently waiting on lists, we have to be realistic. I do believe, however, that the “pathway to citizenship” should be long and predicated on border control.

Resist We Much on February 4, 2013 at 12:04 PM

If Karl Rove’s group had gotten involved in MO Sen, they would’ve picked Akin.

sauldalinsky on February 4, 2013 at 11:57 AM

I doubt that.

Resist We Much on February 4, 2013 at 11:59 AM

I think the most likely outcome in all situations is that he would have avoided getting involved (because I doubt he liked any of them), and if he did, he would have tried to recruit someone else. But if he had to choose one of these three, I think that the odds are just as likely it would have been Akin as either of the others.

besser tot als rot on February 4, 2013 at 12:05 PM

besser tot als rot on February 4, 2013 at 11:57 AM

I agree, I will give any candidate a fair chance and if it is someone Rove likes, I will assume the stopped clock, blind squirrel paradigm is in place.

Cindy Munford on February 4, 2013 at 12:06 PM

Thus, I submit that he needs to go back to school and learn a little bit more about who “the most conservative candidate who can win” is.

besser tot als rot on February 4, 2013 at 11:46 AM

I find it hard to believe that you don’t know Karl Rove for what he is.

bluefox on February 4, 2013 at 12:07 PM

Kaye Bailey Hutchinson…so there’s that

workingclass artist on February 4, 2013 at 11:51 AM

Tru dat.

I didn’t remember that. So, maybe he isn’t quite as bad as some of the HA statist claiming to be Republicans.

besser tot als rot on February 4, 2013 at 11:51 AM

He’s pretty bad, but that was one of the few shining moments for him in the past few years.

Rove is right regarding the need to nominate ELECTABLE candidates, but he has trashed the Tea Party since its inception. Without the Tea Party – and this is something that Washington insiders like Rove and Boehner forget – it is HIGHLY DOUBTFUL that the Republicans would have taken back the House in 2010. So, they can bytch and moan all that they want about the “amateurs,” but the non-professionals have had a better understanding of where people are and getting candidates elected to office than the GOPe.

Resist We Much on February 4, 2013 at 11:58 AM

Candidates need discipline & clear conservative messaging.

Gov. Jindal’s recent party of stupid speech is a good example since he gave ammo to the opposition that will be used ad infinitum.

Rove should not be the arbitrator of electability…because he’s a schlump from Colorado who can’t find his a** in a dark room.

He just wants more money in his pockets while he clears the stage for Jeb…And these political dynasties are ruining America.

workingclass artist on February 4, 2013 at 12:09 PM

What we need are good qualified candidates who can win and get things done. While we all are against the entrenched Congressman and Senators who lose site of their constituents, we also need to put up smarter, better candidates than we have as of late. The only reason Harry Reid is Majority vs. Minority Leader is self-inflicted wounds to ourselves with poor candidates.

Tater Salad on February 4, 2013 at 12:09 PM

redguy on February 4, 2013 at 11:48 AM

Good for Bozell! He made a couple of statements warning the RNC what he would do. I don’t have the link handy tho.

bluefox on February 4, 2013 at 12:09 PM

What a bunch of BS. Akin was endorsed pre-primary by Mike Huckabee, Michelle Bachmann and Phyllis Schaffly. Brunner was supported by the Business Commerce groups and Freedom Works and the former Republican Senator Talent. To say Karl Rove would have supporter Akin is just a smear. And a very stupid one.

Marcus on February 4, 2013 at 12:09 PM

Marcus on February 4, 2013 at 12:09 PM

A “smear”? What an odd term to use!

Cindy Munford on February 4, 2013 at 12:11 PM

Never does the left ever do anything like this, they wouldn’t even consider shooting the feet of their liberal allies. And remember when it was neocons who traded their democrat creds for the GOP? And then 2006 happened? That was you and your pals Karl. Now you can add 2012 to your L column, establishment GOP lost this election, 3 million conservatives stayed home.

Establishment Republicans rail against the formation of a third party and then go right out and create one.

Speakup on February 4, 2013 at 12:11 PM

I doubt that.

Resist We Much on February 4, 2013 at 11:59 AM

If they went by their outlined criteria “electable” (elected a dozen times) and “conservative” (97%), they’d have to. If Karl Rove himself is still holding some personal grudge over Akin opposing No Child Left Behind or something eles, then maybe not.

sauldalinsky on February 4, 2013 at 12:12 PM

Yes but Sen. Rubio is a protegee of Jeb Bush, so that’s hardly surprising.

Cindy Munford on February 4, 2013 at 11:54 AM

Yeah.. The Bushes were the ones that created Rubio and encouraged him to run for Senate because Crist and Jeb Bush hate each other. We should be thankful that this personal vendetta ended the Oompa Loompa’s political career. A nice sidenote to this whole thing is that the Bushes’ creation has apparently turned on them and his obivious ambition to live in the White House is ruining the Jeb Bush 2016 vanity Presidential campaign.

Illinidiva on February 4, 2013 at 12:12 PM

Tater Salad on February 4, 2013 at 12:09 PM

This may be the biggest problem. Who in the world would want to put up with this garbage?

Cindy Munford on February 4, 2013 at 12:13 PM

OT..But about immigration…

Anybody seen this…

“Thousands of migrants in Athens Greece apply to return home

Poor and unemployed, with little hope of being able to earn a living, thousands of migrants from countries like Afghanistan, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Georgia, Ghana, and Iraq are applying for a funded program that helps them leave Greece to return to their home countries. Greece is a major transit country for thousands of irregular migrants trying to reach Western Europe. But many decide to return home when they become stranded, jobless and are forced to sleep on the streets of Athens. The International Organization for Migration (IOM), which is funded by grants from Norway, Iceland and Liechtenstein, provides small grants to migrants who have simply run out of money and want to return home. Kathimerini and International Organization for Migration…”

http://www.generationaldynamics.com/cgi-bin/D.PL?d=ww2010.weblog&i=e130204#e130204

workingclass artist on February 4, 2013 at 12:13 PM

I do believe, however, that the “pathway to citizenship” should be long and predicated on border control.

Resist We Much on February 4, 2013 at 12:04 PM

Why does there need to be a pathway to citizenship? What’s wrong with a green card? If I legally moved out of the US I wouldn’t expect to have voting rights in the other country. The whole problem with the immigration issue is people wanting to make the illegals, citizens.

Make them our workers. Much of the money they are earning is going back to their home country anyway. Just tax them and get on with it.

CTSherman on February 4, 2013 at 12:13 PM

Resist We Much on February 4, 2013 at 12:04 PM

No disagreement – Rove and Bush, however, wanted pretty much blanket amnesty for all…as do the current morons in DC, from both sides.

Schadenfreude on February 4, 2013 at 12:14 PM

Illinidiva on February 4, 2013 at 12:12 PM

I know a lot of people have already written him off but I’m still keeping an open mind. I may not agree with him on all issues but I do like his vision of the United States. I’m tired of the pervasive talking points by the Left and their cohorts in the media that we are all that is evil in the world.

Cindy Munford on February 4, 2013 at 12:15 PM

Is this why Rove’s holding a grudge against Akin?

HR 1 – No Child Left Behind Act – Voting Record
U.S. House
Date: Dec. 13, 2001
Issues: Education, Budget, Spending and Taxes
Bill: No Child Left Behind Act
Roll Number: 497
Yea: 381 Nay: 41
Conference Report Adopted (House)

MO 2 Rep. W. Todd Akin Republican Nay

sauldalinsky on February 4, 2013 at 12:15 PM

Yes but Sen. Rubio is a protegee of Jeb Bush, so that’s hardly surprising.

Cindy Munford on February 4, 2013 at 11:54 AM

Yeah.. The Bushes were the ones that created Rubio and encouraged him to run for Senate because Crist and Jeb Bush hate each other. We should be thankful that this personal vendetta ended the Oompa Loompa’s political career. A nice sidenote to this whole thing is that the Bushes’ creation has apparently turned on them and his obivious ambition to live in the White House is ruining the Jeb Bush 2016 vanity Presidential campaign.

Illinidiva on February 4, 2013 at 12:12 PM

Fun…Fun…Fun!

workingclass artist on February 4, 2013 at 12:16 PM

CTSherman on February 4, 2013 at 12:13 PM

You nailed it. RWM said pretty much the same. From your green card to citizenship…long…pathway…same thing.

Schadenfreude on February 4, 2013 at 12:16 PM

What is really going on within the Republican Party is a fight between the “self-annointed” conservatives and the rest of the party. What boothers me is I consider myself very conservative and seem to have very little in common with the “self-annointed” conservatives.

Best example is the support for Santorum during the election cycle by the self-annoited” conservatives; he was for big government on social issues, big government on worker issues, and big government on on tax issues. None of which I think a small government conservative should stand for.

Tater Salad on February 4, 2013 at 12:17 PM

sauldalinsky on February 4, 2013 at 12:15 PM

We may need an IQ test and less of an idealogical purity test.

Tater Salad on February 4, 2013 at 12:18 PM

Of no other country in the world is the same asked as of the US on immigrations and etc.

To Hades with all the hyopcrites.

Schadenfreude on February 4, 2013 at 12:19 PM

immigration

Schadenfreude on February 4, 2013 at 12:19 PM

Speakup on February 4, 2013 at 12:11 PM

I think the Left has an advantage because they have built a payoff system in which their taxpayers pay money to their voters. Why do something to excel when they can do nothing and just get by? And then their are the Solyndras.

Cindy Munford on February 4, 2013 at 12:20 PM

What is really going on within the Republican Party is a fight between the “self-annointed” conservatives and the rest of the party. What boothers me is I consider myself very conservative and seem to have very little in common with the “self-annointed” conservatives.

Best example is the support for Santorum during the election cycle by the self-annoited” conservatives; he was for big government on social issues, big government on worker issues, and big government on on tax issues. None of which I think a small government conservative should stand for.

Tater Salad on February 4, 2013 at 12:17 PM

There is no perfect conservative politician…imho

I look at a governing record and a platform…And how effective the politician is.

workingclass artist on February 4, 2013 at 12:21 PM

We may need an IQ test and less of an idealogical purity test.

Tater Salad on February 4, 2013 at 12:18 PM

IQ may be important to a certain extent. But, more important is understanding the real world and how what you say is going to be interpreted in it.

besser tot als rot on February 4, 2013 at 12:21 PM

bluegill on February 4, 2013 at 11:50 AM

I always thought, maybe felt that I loathed you, but I now know that I just pity you. I pity you because you have no life, you have no purpose, you have no reason to exist except to exist.

The only thing you seem to have going for you is to just repeat the same thoughtless bile from your mouth against a woman whom you’ve neither met, spoken to nor held a conversation with to get her thoughts on matters of the day.

This isn’t a scornful pity, but a pity that says what a wasted life you live.

HerneTheHunter on February 4, 2013 at 12:21 PM

Exit quotation from Erickson: “I dare say any candidate who gets this group’s support should be targeted for destruction by the conservative movement.”

I think this is stupid. Do we have to engage in tribalism? How about we judge the candidates for ourselves, irrespective of who does or does not support them?

besser tot als rot on February 4, 2013 at 11:57 AM

You still don’t know who/what Karl Rove’s motives are? Yes, we can judge the Candidates for ourselves, but Rove has said what he and his RINO groups intend to do. So it’s a heads up for Conservatives; buyers beware in other words.

bluefox on February 4, 2013 at 12:23 PM

Enough of the “pathway to citizenship” bit. There is already a “pathway to citizenship.” It involves illegals going back to their native countries and applying like everyone else does.

JohnTant on February 4, 2013 at 12:25 PM

We may need an IQ test and less of an idealogical purity test.

Tater Salad on February 4, 2013 at 12:18 PM

I don’t support an a ‘purity’ test.
We need good candidates-not automatons.

annoyinglittletwerp on February 4, 2013 at 12:26 PM

IQ tests are tools for eugenicists…so…no.

workingclass artist on February 4, 2013 at 12:26 PM

sauldalinsky on February 4, 2013 at 11:57 AM

Karl Rove and the RNC DID get involved in the MO Senate race. They pulled support from Akin and demeaned him. They would never back a Conservative and were looking for a way to defeat him and sadly he gave them one.

By denouncing Akin, they were saying they were supporting McCaskill imo. Better a Dem that the RINOS can work with, than a Conservative that won’t go along.

bluefox on February 4, 2013 at 12:28 PM

Exit quotation from Erickson: “I dare say any candidate who gets this group’s support should be targeted for destruction by the conservative movement.”

BTW, Erick Erickson is an idiot. Blanket statements such as this are why we have lost many of the Senate seats we should have won. We need to put up good candidates, not those that meet some sort of arcane idealogigal purity test.

For God’s sake, Reagan would have been an outcast with his previous stance on abortion, when he was governor of CA.

Tater Salad on February 4, 2013 at 12:29 PM

I do believe, however, that the “pathway to citizenship” should be long and predicated on border control.

Resist We Much on February 4, 2013 at 12:04 PM

Why does there need to be a pathway to citizenship? What’s wrong with a green card? If I legally moved out of the US I wouldn’t expect to have voting rights in the other country. The whole problem with the immigration issue is people wanting to make the illegals, citizens.

Make them our workers. Much of the money they are earning is going back to their home country anyway. Just tax them and get on with it.

CTSherman on February 4, 2013 at 12:13 PM

Except they get access to Obamacare.

That is the elephant in the room.

Many of them already clog up the welfare system but nobody wants to address it cause they look mean or something…

workingclass artist on February 4, 2013 at 12:31 PM

I think the most likely outcome in all situations is that he would have avoided getting involved (because I doubt he liked any of them), and if he did, he would have tried to recruit someone else. But if he had to choose one of these three, I think that the odds are just as likely it would have been Akin as either of the others.

besser tot als rot on February 4, 2013 at 12:05 PM

I agree with you until the last sentence. Akin was not the most electable statewide although Missouri was a “give me” and anyone should have been able to beat Claire McCaskill. Akin was not a Rove-type candidate. He was criticised in the primary by Club For Growth. He wasn’t even the Tea Party candidate. He won because the other two split the vote. He was in third place going into the primary.

Is this why Rove’s holding a grudge against Akin?

sauldalinsky on February 4, 2013 at 12:15 PM

Akin was in third place going into the primary. Maybe, Rove – like most people – didn’t think he could get elected…and, in this case, he was right.

What’s wrong with a green card? If I legally moved out of the US I wouldn’t expect to have voting rights in the other country. The whole problem with the immigration issue is people wanting to make the illegals, citizens.

Make them our workers. Much of the money they are earning is going back to their home country anyway. Just tax them and get on with it.

CTSherman on February 4, 2013 at 12:13 PM

The green card IS on the pathway to citizenship. In fact, it is the most common manner that immigrants become naturalised citizens. A green card grants permanent residence and, after 5 years, an individual can apply for citizenship.

No disagreement – Rove and Bush, however, wanted pretty much blanket amnesty for all…as do the current morons in DC, from both sides.

Schadenfreude on February 4, 2013 at 12:14 PM

No blanket amnesty (automatic citizenship). Period.

If they went by their outlined criteria “electable” (elected a dozen times) and “conservative” (97%), they’d have to.

sauldalinsky on February 4, 2013 at 12:12 PM

Nah. He got elected in his state legislature and congressional district. He never won a statewide race.

If Karl Rove himself is still holding some personal grudge over Akin opposing No Child Left Behind or something eles, then maybe not.

sauldalinsky on February 4, 2013 at 12:12 PM

If believing that makes you feel better…

Resist We Much on February 4, 2013 at 12:32 PM

He just wants more money in his pockets while he clears the stage for Jeb…And these political dynasties are ruining America.

workingclass artist on February 4, 2013 at 12:09 PM

Yes he is. I’ve been saying since the R Primaries that the plan was for Romney to run and lose to make way for Jeb Bush. Rove plans on being Jeb’s Campaign Manager or something, LOL

bluefox on February 4, 2013 at 12:32 PM

You Rove leg-humpers love talking Akin while completely ignoring that Charlie Crist was the “electable” establishment fave in FL in 2010.

idesign on February 4, 2013 at 12:33 PM

You still don’t know who/what Karl Rove’s motives are? Yes, we can judge the Candidates for ourselves, but Rove has said what he and his RINO groups intend to do. So it’s a heads up for Conservatives; buyers beware in other words.

bluefox on February 4, 2013 at 12:23 PM

What I read is that Law said this:

“There is a broad concern about having blown a significant number of races because the wrong candidates were selected,” said Steven J. Law, the president of American Crossroads, the “super PAC” creating the new project. “We don’t view ourselves as being in the incumbent protection business, but we want to pick the most conservative candidate who can win.”

Which I can agree with. For one, I think we blew the presidential race because the wrong candidate was selected.

On the other hand, the NYT said this:

The biggest donors in the Republican Party are financing a new group to recruit seasoned candidates and protect Senate incumbents from challenges by far-right conservatives and Tea Party enthusiasts who Republican leaders worry could complicate the party’s efforts to win control of the Senate.

Now, if that is true, then I’m with you (but I’ll still judge for myself on the actual candidates). But, then again, it is the NYT so I don’t really believe them absent confirmation from a reliable third party source.

besser tot als rot on February 4, 2013 at 12:33 PM

We feel betrayed because the repubs were supposed to be on our side. That was our mistake, the gop is just a different brand of government. Time to stop sending money, volunteering time, and voting for them.

Panther on February 4, 2013 at 12:34 PM

Exit quotation from Erickson: “I dare say any candidate who gets this group’s support should be targeted for destruction by the conservative movement.”

BTW, Erick Erickson is an idiot. Blanket statements such as this are why we have lost many of the Senate seats we should have won. We need to put up good candidates, not those that meet some sort of arcane idealogigal purity test.

For God’s sake, Reagan would have been an outcast with his previous stance on abortion, when he was governor of CA.

Tater Salad on February 4, 2013 at 12:29 PM

Well…There are future books to sell…ratings on radio…blog traffic and jobs on TeeVee etc.

Not that this would effect any conservative talkinghead now would it?

workingclass artist on February 4, 2013 at 12:35 PM

As far as the Moderate GOP Establishment is concerned, the great Margaret Thatcher once said,

Standing in the middle of the road is very dangerous; you get knocked down by the traffic from both sides.

My take.

kingsjester on February 4, 2013 at 12:35 PM

Best example is the support for Santorum during the election cycle by the self-annoited” conservatives; he was for big government on social issues, big government on worker issues, and big government on on tax issues. None of which I think a small government conservative should stand for.

Tater Salad on February 4, 2013 at 12:17 PM

Yeah.. Santorum was a big government guy. Even his desire to have the government regulate people’s private lives is big government. It really isn’t the role of government to lecture people on using birth control. Santorum is a less affable version of Chuckles.

Illinidiva on February 4, 2013 at 12:38 PM

pledging untold millions towards electing the most allegedly “electable” candidate in Republican primaries

Electable. You know. Like Romney.

apostic on February 4, 2013 at 10:39 AM

Or squash the unelectable. You know. Like Cruz.

NOMOBO on February 4, 2013 at 12:40 PM

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