kd6rxl on February 4, 2013 at 10:02 PM

Yes but I would bet they voted for him not unlike the coal miners on the East coast.

It would seem our first African-American president is waging green economic warfare on Native Americans.

California buys plenty of excess power from Arizona, which will either have to get a lot more expensive for consumers in both states

…so, charge California consumers double!

Fatal on February 4, 2013 at 7:02 PM

It’s been time for a long time. Administrations of both hues have grown the federal government so far outside the scope of its original purpose it is time to start invoking nullification.

On a large scale.

gravityman on February 4, 2013 at 5:21 PM

Nitrogen is an element, oxygen is an elements and the various NOx’s are compounds with different properties. High temperatures during combustion (vehicles, power plants) trigger chemical reactions combining N2 with O2 to make NO and NO2. Both those compounds in high concentrations contribute to haze. The problem is that reducing them isn’t going to change the level of haze in Arizona National parks. I live in NE Arizona and it is hazy most of the time. The major contributor is the wind blown dust in the air. No way to reasonably reduce the dust w/o violating other EPA rules since much of Arizona is desert. Deserts plus high winds equal dust in the air.

You guys install this billion dollar pollution stuff or else close down.

Response: No

You guys stop utlizing natural resources on any land the feds claim for any purpose whatsoever.

Answer: No

Hey Americans, turn in your guns, your magazines, your bullets and allow us to take care of you.

We say: No

Its well past time for the States and the Citizens to just say “NO” to an out of control Federal Government.

And what exactly is wrong with haze? The Indians in the Los Angeles basin 500 years ago called it the Valley of Smoke because the smoke from campfires lingered in the basin.

PattyJ on February 4, 2013 at 6:41 PM

And the front range of Colorado has had hazy skies reported going all the way back to the 1800s – from dust being blown off the mountains – no human pollution necessary.

Why is Google wrecking the internet?

And what exactly is wrong with haze? The Indians in the Los Angeles basin 500 years ago called it the Valley of Smoke because the smoke from campfires lingered in the basin.

What happens if states start ignoring these obvious political decisions?

birdwatcher on February 4, 2013 at 5:53 PM

I’d like to see some state go all Oklahoma on the EPA and start jailing any feds that try to enforce EPA regs…

The EPA claims that the emissions of nitrogen oxides by coal plants in Arizona creates “haze” in the Grand Canyon and other national parks.

I freely admit, I am no chemist… hopefully one of our resident scientific minds learned in the field of chemistry can provide education on the matter…

I’m quite sure nitrogen and oxygen are the two most abundant components of our atmosphere. So is the EPA somehow upset that we are spewing… err… air… into our… ummm… air? Inquiring minds want to know.

gravityman on February 4, 2013 at 5:21 PM

I’m actually surprised the EPA didn’t include dihydrogen monoxide in their list of deadly chemicals that must be eradicated. That stuff causes far more damage and deaths than nitrogen oxides.

The EPA claims that the emissions of nitrogen oxides by coal plants in Arizona creates “haze” in the Grand Canyon and other national parks.

I freely admit, I am no chemist… hopefully one of our resident scientific minds learned in the field of chemistry can provide education on the matter…

I’m quite sure nitrogen and oxygen are the two most abundant components of our atmosphere. So is the EPA somehow upset that we are spewing… err… air… into our… ummm… air? Inquiring minds want to know.