NFL Super Bowl open thread

posted at 12:31 pm on February 3, 2013 by Ed Morrissey

Are you ready forone last bit of football?  The 2012 season comes down to two teams, two brothers, one party town, and about a billion viewers.  Neither San Francisco nor Baltimore were favored to reach Super Bowl XLVII, but they scratched and clawed their way past every other NFL team to vie for the Lombardi Trophy — and to ride out the biggest hype in the biggest event in sports.

Before we get to the pick, let’s catch up on a couple of related stories to today’s game.  First, deer across North America can breathe easier today, because it turns out Ray Lewis isn’t snorting their antlers after all … or at least no one saw him do it:

The man who reportedly supplied Ray Lewis with deer-antler spray can’t confirm the Baltimore Ravens linebacker ever used the stuff.

Sports Illustrated reported Tuesday that Lewis sought help from a company called Sports With Alternatives To Steroids (SWATS), which says its deer-antler spray and pills contain a naturally occurring banned product connected to human growth hormone.

Mitch Ross spoke for nearly an hour outside the Super Bowl media center Friday in a bizarre session that revealed very little about his connection with Lewis. The linebacker has denied ever using the substance.

Asked if Lewis ever tried deer-antler spray, Ross said, “I never saw him put it in his mouth.”

Meanwhile, the players have been hanging out in New Orleans all week long, notorious as a party town.  But NFL players are disciplined, focused professionals who eschew the night life … all right, I didn’t type that with a straight face.  It’s not just the night life that can trip you up, but also boneheaded and weirdly intolerant comments:

But there will be distractions. History says so. For every Justin Smith, a 49ers defensive end who packed just a duffel bag for his eight-day stay and rarely leaves the hotel, there is a Super Bowl cautionary tale about a football player, fueled by testosterone, curiosity and boredom, who ventured out of the team bubble and onto the police blotter.

It’s human nature. And distractions don’t come only in the form of a rabble-rousing football player. It can be a grandma who is locked out of her hotel room, a screaming toddler or a young player who says something regrettable in one of the hundreds of media interviews during Super Bowl week.

It happened Tuesday, when 49ers cornerback Chris Culliver told a shock jock that he wouldn’t accept an openly gay man on his football team. Within hours, the interview went viral and the 49ers went into damage-control mode. Culliver apologized, but it never ends there during Super Bowl week. His teammates were soon peppered with questions about homophobia.

“I didn’t sleep that much,” Culliver said. “I tossed and turned thinking about it.

“We are trying not to have any distractions to the team.”

It was only Thursday morning.

Say, don’t the 49ers play in San Francisco?  And shouldn’t Culliver be more concerned with on-field skill than off-field lifestyles?

So both teams have had their distractions this week.  Who’s going to … y’know … actually win the game?

I’m picking the 49ers, although I don’t think it will be easy.  Statistically, the Ravens are a mediocre team, who happen to be peaking at the right moment.  A two-week gap won’t benefit that kind of a team; a bye benefits a team with mild injuries who play more consistently well, not the team riding on week-to-week momentum.  The Ravens D is only 17th against the pass and 20th against the run, and they’re older.  That will allow Colin Kaepernick and Frank Gore to get the most out of their read-option offense, and it’s going to tire out the defensive backers of the Ravens by the second half.

On the other side of the ball, Baltimore’s Joe Flacco has picked up confidence in his deep passing game — but he’s going up against the 4th-ranked defense against both the pass and the run.  The Ravens are only 15th in passing and 11th in rushing — not bad, but not elite.  If the 49ers break into the lead early, the Ravens are not going to be able to play comeback as easily as they did against the Broncos, especially with San Francisco watching that game film for the last two weeks.

The 49ers will outlast the Ravens in this one.  San Francisco 31-23 over Baltimore.

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…may the best team lose!

KOOLAID2 on February 3, 2013 at 12:38 PM

GO 49ers! There’s gonna be a crazy california street party tonight!!!!!

DBear on February 3, 2013 at 12:38 PM

I have only one question concerning the Ray Lewis/Deer Antler Spray issue.

If Ray Lewis is now crossing a street at night and a car is coming his way, does he now freeze while staring dead-center at the headlights?

pilamaye on February 3, 2013 at 12:38 PM

There’s a game on today?

RovesChins on February 3, 2013 at 12:39 PM

Asked if Lewis ever tried deer-antler spray, Ross said, “I never saw him put it in his mouth.”

…where else would it go?

KOOLAID2 on February 3, 2013 at 12:39 PM

This game will not be a high scoring affair.Baltimore’s defense led by Ray Lewis will have a field day with Kaepernick and the rest of the SF offense.A nightmare day for the 49ers.
Baltimore 21 SF 10.

jeffinsjvca on February 3, 2013 at 12:40 PM

Ed- you say this garbage every week. The Ravens D is older? Older then what? Ray Lewis and Ed Reed. That’s it. Who else is “older”? The biggest reason the Ravens D struggled so much early was due to injuries and so may young guys having to step up.

You know- I realize you’re a Steelers fan. I realize that you think you know football because you’re a Steelers fan. But you literally beclown yourself whenever you comment on the Ravens.

Yeah, yeah I know. I don’t have to read this. I can go somewhere else. And all that other liberal-like echo chamber talk. The fact is, either you understand the game, the teams, the players, the strategies and the feel of a locker room -or you don’t.

Ed doesn’t.

Ravens 28 – 49ers 13.

BKeyser on February 3, 2013 at 12:40 PM

Go NINERS!!!!! Been a fan since John Brodie!

Winebabe on February 3, 2013 at 12:40 PM

GO 49ers!

DBear on February 3, 2013 at 12:38 PM

…GOFY!

KOOLAID2 on February 3, 2013 at 12:40 PM

This is high holy day in our neck of the woods here in Sacramento!

Winebabe on February 3, 2013 at 12:41 PM

There’s gonna be a crazy california street party tonight!!!!!

DBear on February 3, 2013 at 12:38 PM

.
No matter what the outcome, there will be a crazy street party in Baltimore. Count on it!

ExpressoBold on February 3, 2013 at 12:45 PM

Ravens win by at least seven.

Slade73 on February 3, 2013 at 12:47 PM

BKeyser on February 3, 2013 at 12:40 PM

tru dat

Ravens D heated up at the right time, and squashed the highest scoring offense in the NFL two weeks ago.

Slade73 on February 3, 2013 at 12:48 PM

I’m glad this is the NFL Super Bowl open thread, because if it had been the hockey one, I’d have been pretty disappointed.

49ers by 7 in a heartstopper.

Jazz Shaw on February 3, 2013 at 12:51 PM

There’s gonna be a crazy california street party tonight!!!!!

DBear on February 3, 2013 at 12:38 PM

Do tell. Mind posting a picture of yourself so that we can look for you in news photos of the riots?

MelonCollie on February 3, 2013 at 12:51 PM

Is San Francisco the first Super Bowl team with a tie game during the regular season?

aunursa on February 3, 2013 at 12:54 PM

The winner of this game will be the only team with multiple Super Bowl wins and no losses. (Currently the 49ers hold that distinction.)

aunursa on February 3, 2013 at 12:56 PM

I pick a Harbaugh led team to win.

irongrampa on February 3, 2013 at 12:56 PM

Steelers 49 – Enemy 3

Bishop on February 3, 2013 at 12:57 PM

Asked if Lewis ever tried deer-antler spray, Ross said, “I never saw him put it in his mouth.”

…where else would it go?

KOOLAID2 on February 3, 2013 at 12:39 PM

Where the headlights shine not?

pilamaye on February 3, 2013 at 12:58 PM

The Ravens are 13-7 in postseason play, a .650 winning percentage that is the highest in history.

Slade73 on February 3, 2013 at 12:58 PM

I have to be for SF, since they beat my beloved Packers, and I’d rather the Pack went down to a winner than a loser. Plus the QB was born in Milwaukee. As for the Ravens, I’m a former Cleveland resident, so I can never cheer for the Ravens. Never.

Go SF!

NbyNW on February 3, 2013 at 12:59 PM

Sorry, Ed, but you’ve missed the mark on this one. The two week break can be a momentum killer (which did concern me), but it also lets some nagging injuries heal up. And Lewis, Suggs, and Ngata all put the time to good use. This is as healthy as the Ravens D has been all year, except for missing Webb (a big hole, too, I’ll admit). But their secondary has stepped up in a huge way, and playing some of their best football of the year. They only gave up 21 points to Manning, and they completely shut Brady down in the second half of the AFC Championship game.

And the numbers don’t reflect the resurgence of their O. They’ve been lights out since Caldwell took over as OC (I’m ignoring the game against Denver, as he’d only been on a week). And the offensive line is reborn since they restructured going into the playoffs. The running game is solid, and Flacco has the time to pick any defense apart.

Finally, the 49ers D isn’t all that, either. Their pass rush has been feeble for weeks now, because of injuries, and they don’t have enough backs to cover Smith, Boldin, Jones, Pitta, and Rice. Flacco’s got too many weapons to deal with, and there won’t be enough pressure on him to force the mistakes that normally kill him.

I think the Ravens win this comfortably. The D is disciplined enough to keep Kaep under wraps, and the O will keep hammering on the 9ers until they break.

I could be wrong; but I don’t think I am. 35-17, Ravens.

nukemhill on February 3, 2013 at 12:59 PM

San Francisco 31-23 over Baltimore.

I’ve got just the opposite. Baltimore 31-23 over SF. Although this is one of those years I don’t really care who wins.

RadClown on February 3, 2013 at 1:01 PM

nukemhill on February 3, 2013 at 12:59 PM

The two week break lets the Ravens recover from their nagging injuries, but not the 49ers from their injuries?

aunursa on February 3, 2013 at 1:02 PM

Thanks for picking the niner’s ED, they are sure to lose now, GO Ravens.

starboard on February 3, 2013 at 1:03 PM

Where’s the Puppy Bowl thread?

rbj on February 3, 2013 at 1:04 PM

Baltimore 30
SF 28

Akers shanks a mid-range-but-makeable FG as time expires.

Stu Gotts on February 3, 2013 at 1:04 PM

Sending a big Who Dat! to all the folks in New Orleans, who are finally celebrating their first Super Bowl since Bush, Cheney and Rove flooded the city in 2005. Have fun, y’all!

As for the game itself, don’t really have a dog in this fight, but will have to give a slight cheering edge to the Ravens, just to irritate all you Steelers fans

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Actually, I have to give the Raves props for how they got this far. Beating 3 great QBs on the road in 3 consecutive weeks is very hard to do.

As for SF, they are good, but a couple of things could work against them-first being having a rookie QB starting the Super Bowl, which doesn’t happen every year. And second, the fact that certain teams they played during the regular season seemed to have their number, namely the Rams and the Seahawks.

Ravens by a FG.

Del Dolemonte on February 3, 2013 at 1:05 PM

The NFL ain’t my cup of tea, so I’ll pass. Enjoy, HotGassers.

tommy71 on February 3, 2013 at 1:06 PM

Where’s the Puppy Bowl thread?

rbj on February 3, 2013 at 1:04 PM

Pretty sure this is the place right here. The puppy bowl’s definitely better than watching Beyonce lip sync at halftime.

NbyNW on February 3, 2013 at 1:08 PM

Do tell. Mind posting a picture of yourself so that we can look for you in news photos of the riots?

MelonCollie on February 3, 2013 at 12:51 PM

yeah right I am up for a promotion I don’t need a public-drunkeness charge on my record- I will scatter when the cops show just like after the World Series

DBear on February 3, 2013 at 1:11 PM

The two week break lets the Ravens recover from their nagging injuries, but not the 49ers from their injuries?

aunursa on February 3, 2013 at 1:02 PM

Yeah, because the injury to their pass rusher (can’t remember his name) requires surgery, and he’s been the cornerstone of their attack. Which has been anemic since he got hurt against the Pats.

It’s a critical injury, at a critical time, and it makes a big difference.

So, yeah. The 9ers haven’t found an answer yet to fixing that hole. The Ravens have patched their holes very well, and the injuries they’re dealing with (except, again, for Webb) are healing up.

Any other questions?

nukemhill on February 3, 2013 at 1:11 PM

Akers shanks a mid-range-but-makeable FG as time expires.

Stu Gotts on February 3, 2013 at 1:04 PM

Nope. The 49ers will fake the field goal.

aunursa on February 3, 2013 at 1:13 PM

Baltimore 30
SF 28

Akers shanks a mid-range-but-makeable FG as time expires.

Stu Gotts on February 3, 2013 at 1:04 PM

Actually, there’s another important injury–Akers has a double sports hernia, which explains why he’s been so bad. As much as I admire Jim Harbaugh and the 9ers front office, they blew it with him in the second half of the season. He should have been IR’d and replaced with someone healthy.

So, there’s another injury that the two week break won’t heal.

nukemhill on February 3, 2013 at 1:14 PM

yeah right I am up for a promotion I don’t need a public-drunkeness charge on my record…

DBear on February 3, 2013 at 1:11 PM

…so you just stay drunk as a skunk all the time at home?….we thought so!

KOOLAID2 on February 3, 2013 at 1:14 PM

Is there a game on today?

The Rogue Tomato on February 3, 2013 at 1:15 PM

Actually, I have to give the Raves props for how they got this far. Beating 3 great QBs on the road in 3 consecutive weeks is very hard to do.

Their wildcard round game was against Luck at home. Not on the road.

But the road wins against Manning and Brady were epic, so … what you said. ;-)

nukemhill on February 3, 2013 at 1:16 PM

And second, the fact that certain teams they played during the regular season seemed to have their number, namely the Rams and the Seahawks.

Del Dolemonte on February 3, 2013 at 1:05 PM

Good thing for the 49ers they aren’t playing either team today. (And the 49ers DID split with Seattle.) Good thing the Ravens aren’t playing Houston (43-13), huh?

aunursa on February 3, 2013 at 1:17 PM

Pretty sure this is the place right here. The puppy bowl’s definitely better than watching Beyonce lip sync at halftime.

NbyNW on February 3, 2013 at 1:08 PM

And none of the puppies have used PEDs or hit their women or been implicated in a double murder.

rbj on February 3, 2013 at 1:19 PM

Yeah, because the injury to their pass rusher (can’t remember his name) requires surgery, and he’s been the cornerstone of their attack. Which has been anemic since he got hurt against the Pats.

nukemhill on February 3, 2013 at 1:11 PM

Justin Smith. In the NFC Championship he hit the QB twice and hurried the throw 5 times. An improvement over previous games. No, he won’t be at full strength, but I do hope that the Ravens game plan regards him as lightly as you do.

aunursa on February 3, 2013 at 1:24 PM

Ravens D heated up at the right time, and squashed the highest scoring offense in the NFL two weeks ago.

Slade73 on February 3, 2013 at 12:48 PM

In all of the never-ending post-mortems here in New England over the past 2 weeks, something of a consensus has emerged that the Patriots “highest scoring offense” this past season was something of a mirage, as the team got that record by mainly playing games in the weak AFC East. In the second half of the season they played only 3 games against teams with winning records, losing one of those, and half of those 8 games in the second half were in their own division. And as I recall they then got a first round bye because of other teams losing, not because of them winning.

In other words, they were a playoff team that wasn’t really playoff-ready. They were able to handle the Texans in the playoffs, but I wouldn’t have been at all surprised to see them lose to Denver, had Denver beaten Baltimore in that OT game. “Not Ready for Prime-Time” indeed.

Del Dolemonte on February 3, 2013 at 1:25 PM

tru dat

Ravens D heated up at the right time, and squashed the highest scoring offense in the NFL two weeks ago.

Slade73 on February 3, 2013 at 12:48 PM

“squashed”? I believe NE’s less-than-stellar effort had something to do with their defeat – the Ravens’ defense sure wasn’t so great the previous week!

The Ravens are 13-7 in postseason play, a .650 winning percentage that is the highest in history.

Slade73 on February 3, 2013 at 12:58 PM

That should come with an asterisk, considering that they are the first Cleveland Browns! :)

I think Jim is a better coach than John, and I am going with the 49ers, by a touchdown.

Anti-Control on February 3, 2013 at 1:26 PM

Only thing people usually watch the half-time show for these days is to see who the idiot celebrity is this time who does or says something so controversial and stupid that the media will be harping on it for the next two weeks or so.

pilamaye on February 3, 2013 at 1:32 PM

Since I don’t have a dog in this hunt (my dog, the Texans, being still on the porch), I will resort to the LEM (Liberal Elite Misery) method of selection. That is, which team’s loss will bring deepest misery to the liberal elites?

At first blush, the 49ers would seem to qualify given that it’s arguably the most liberal city in America, or at least among the top three. You’ve got your Feinsteins, your GLBTs, your environmental wackos, etc. Plus, it’s not far from Sacramento, the Mecca of all that is socialism in America. On the other hand, the 49ers QB is deeply religious and very open about it.

Now, Baltimore is in a liberal state as well and it’s a stones throw to DC and the home of thousands and thousands of people who make their living off the government teat, most of whom no doubt adore Obama. Then, there’s the Beltway elites whose favored team, the Skins, are on the porch with my Texans. My guess is that most of the cretins in the Beltway will default in favor of the Ravens and Ray Lewis, just because.

So, I have to go with the Niners on this one, 34-24.

TXUS on February 3, 2013 at 1:32 PM

Is San Francisco the first Super Bowl team with a tie game during the regular season?

aunursa on February 3, 2013 at 12:54 PM

Upon further review, I’ll answer my own question. NO, but they are the first team since 1976.

1967 Kansas City 11-2-1
1968 Green Bay 9-4-1
1970 Baltimore 11-2-1
1971 Miami 9-4-1
1974 Pittsburgh 10-3-1
1976 Minnesota 11-2-1

The NFL adopted sudden death overtime for regular season tie games beginning with the 1974 season. Prior to that year, all such games were final at the end of the 4th quarter.

aunursa on February 3, 2013 at 1:38 PM

That should come with an asterisk, considering that they are the first Cleveland Browns! :)

I think Jim is a better coach than John, and I am going with the 49ers, by a touchdown.

Anti-Control on February 3, 2013 at 1:26 PM

Technically the Ravens are not the former Cleveland Browns. By agreement they are considered a separate franchise. The team relinquished its association with the Browns when they moved to Baltimore. The current Cleveland team retains the history of the Browns and is considered a continuation of the team founded in 1946.

According to Wikipedia: “The Ravens 1998 Fan and Media Guide referred to longtime staffers as having worked for “The Modell organization” before the Ravens were created in 1996.”

aunursa on February 3, 2013 at 1:43 PM

Gotta go with Michael Oher to get the Super Bowl ring.

That’s just what the heart wants, sorry.

And that Beyonce/Futurechild have time show is going to be a jiggle-a-thon. The only question is whether the singing strippers will have poles. I’m betting on poles or some tall thing to writh up against.

***And how about PRESIDENT IN-YOUR-FACE again with inserting himself into the SuperBowl.

UGH!!!!!

PappyD61 on February 3, 2013 at 1:44 PM

***And how about PRESIDENT IN-YOUR-FACE again with inserting himself into the SuperBowl.

How many interviews do we need from him on the networks?

One a week?

GET OFF THE SCREEN MR. PRESIDENT.

PappyD61 on February 3, 2013 at 1:46 PM

And none of the puppies have used PEDs or hit their women or been implicated in a double murder.

rbj on February 3, 2013 at 1:19 PM

As far as we know.

NbyNW on February 3, 2013 at 1:51 PM

Sweet Ed picked the Ravens to lose again! Hopefully the trend continues and he is wrong, again!

Fezzik on February 3, 2013 at 1:52 PM

Technically the Ravens are not the former Cleveland Browns. By agreement they are considered a separate franchise. The team relinquished its association with the Browns when they moved to Baltimore. The current Cleveland team retains the history of the Browns and is considered a continuation of the team founded in 1946.

According to Wikipedia: “The Ravens 1998 Fan and Media Guide referred to longtime staffers as having worked for “The Modell organization” before the Ravens were created in 1996.”

aunursa on February 3, 2013 at 1:43 PM

Technically, the Ravens and the first Browns are the same franchise – it is only a gimmick to pretend they are not, much like it would be if the new Winnipeg Jets/Atlanta Thrashers were given the old Winnipeg Jets’/Phoenix Coyotes’ history.

Anti-Control on February 3, 2013 at 1:52 PM

The 49ers biggest weakness is susceptibility to the long pass. They allowed two 40-yard passes in both playoff games. And in last year’s playoff win, they allowed two long touchdown passes to New Orleans in the final 5 minutes.

The 49ers secret weapon could be Randy Moss. I expect Baltimore will concentrate on stopping Crabtree and Vernon Davis through the air, and Gore and Kaepernick on the ground. If Moss can get open, the 49ers prolific offense will have too many weapons for the Ravens to handle.

aunursa on February 3, 2013 at 1:55 PM

The best Super Bowl ad of the day with the Budweiser Clydesdale’s.

Brotherhood

JPeterman on February 3, 2013 at 1:57 PM

Anti-Control on February 3, 2013 at 1:52 PM

I meant to say “Realistically” not “Technically”

Anti-Control on February 3, 2013 at 2:01 PM

Crows pick the Gold Diggers eyes out. The left coast will need a year of Obamatherapy to recover.

Limerick on February 3, 2013 at 2:01 PM

Technically, the Ravens and the first Browns are the same franchise – it is only a gimmick to pretend they are not, much like it would be if the new Winnipeg Jets/Atlanta Thrashers were given the old Winnipeg Jets’/Phoenix Coyotes’ history.

Anti-Control on February 3, 2013 at 1:52 PM

The Ravens franchise does not consider itself to be the same franchise as the old Cleveland Browns. The Cleveland Browns do consider themselves to be the same as the previous Browns franchise. The NFL considers the current Browns franchise to be the same as the previous one, and considers the Ravens first francise season to be 1996. All NFL, Ravens, and Browns record books reflect this fact.

Nevertheless, you are certainly free to argue otherwise.

From Wikipedia:

The Baltimore Ravens came into existence in 1996 when Art Modell, then owner of the Cleveland Browns, announced his intention to relocate his team from Cleveland to Baltimore. The resulting controversy ended when representatives of Cleveland and the NFL reached a settlement on February 8, 1996. … [T]he agreement stipulated that the Browns’ name, colors, uniform design and franchise records would remain in Cleveland. The franchise history includes Browns club records and connections with Pro Football Hall of Fame players. Modell’s Baltimore team, while retaining all current player contracts, would, for purposes of team history, appear as an expansion team, a “new franchise.”

aunursa on February 3, 2013 at 2:06 PM

I followed the “football is doomed” link over to Salon. The clowns over at Salon are so drunk with the Obama cult winning in November that they think it translates to a ban on football. I know Rush is making a big deal about this but let’s think about what Rush is doing. He is tagging the left with one of their many unpopular policies and at some point the liberals in their ideological blindness do think like make a serious pitch to ban football or talk about. Nothing would separate the white liberals quicker from the rest of the country than banning it’s most popular sport (Don’t give me Nascar we didn’t have a HS Nascar team). Consider today is an undeclared national holiday to watch this game and then think the liberals in their currant state of mind think they can take this away and tell people its bad for them. I hope they keep going its right in line with Women in Combat, Gun Control,etc. They are on a SERIOUS path to unpopularity and they don’t realize they are going to need all their political capital when a) Obamacares’ cost hit b) People get tired of the economic situation.

Conan on February 3, 2013 at 2:08 PM

Go Niners!

I am a Marin County Conservative.

surfer girl on February 3, 2013 at 2:09 PM

Niners by double digits.

KCB on February 3, 2013 at 2:12 PM

I got the pot of chili cooking now for a party I’m going to (with chili cook off so I hope I win!).

Don’t really care who wins (I’m a commercial fan during this event) but I do hope for a good game regardless.

Yakko77 on February 3, 2013 at 2:27 PM

The Bears will win.

antisense on February 3, 2013 at 2:33 PM

***And how about PRESIDENT IN-YOUR-FACE again with inserting himself into the SuperBowl.

How many interviews do we need from him on the networks?

One a week?

GET OFF THE SCREEN MR. PRESIDENT.

PappyD61 on February 3, 2013 at 1:46 PM

It comes as little surprise that Obama will appear on our television screens during the all-day Superbowl coverage. Please keep your remote control close and change the channel the moment he comes on. Let the media stat-keepers see a mass exodus when Zero appears.

TheBad on February 3, 2013 at 2:35 PM

The Bears will win.

antisense on February 3, 2013 at 2:33 PM

…they’re going to beat the Lions?

KOOLAID2 on February 3, 2013 at 2:35 PM

Thanks for picking the niner’s ED, they are sure to lose now, GO Ravens.

starboard on February 3, 2013 at 1:03 PM

Well I was thinking along the same lines two weeks ago when he picked the 49ers but they still won.

Go 49ers!

lexhamfox on February 3, 2013 at 2:36 PM

The Ravens franchise does not consider itself to be the same franchise as the old Cleveland Browns. The Cleveland Browns do consider themselves to be the same as the previous Browns franchise. The NFL considers the current Browns franchise to be the same as the previous one, and considers the Ravens first francise season to be 1996. All NFL, Ravens, and Browns record books reflect this fact.

Nevertheless, you are certainly free to argue otherwise.

aunursa on February 3, 2013 at 2:06 PM

I am not arguing against reality to say that it is superficial and gimmicky to consider Modell’s Ravens as a distinct franchise from his Browns!

Modell’s Baltimore team, while retaining all current player contracts, would, for purposes of team history, appear as an expansion team, a “new franchise.” – since the Ravens were not a “new” franchise in anything other than appearance, as I realistically and correctly said, “gimmick.”

Now, I am gonna up my prediction for the 49ers to 10 points! :)

Anti-Control on February 3, 2013 at 2:40 PM

I am not arguing against reality to say that it is superficial and gimmicky to consider Modell’s Ravens as a distinct franchise from his Browns!

Modell’s Baltimore team, while retaining all current player contracts, would, for purposes of team history, appear as an expansion team, a “new franchise.” – since the Ravens were not a “new” franchise in anything other than appearance, as I realistically and correctly said, “gimmick.”

Now, I am gonna up my prediction for the 49ers to 10 points! :)

Anti-Control on February 3, 2013 at 2:40 PM

Well said.

NbyNW on February 3, 2013 at 2:44 PM

Now, I am gonna up my prediction for the 49ers to 10 points! :)

Anti-Control on February 3, 2013 at 2:40 PM

Well, at least we agree on that.

aunursa on February 3, 2013 at 2:44 PM

I’ll take “Seven Points” for $500 Alex

“What was the number of second half points allowed by the 49ers in their two playoff games”?

Rovin on February 3, 2013 at 2:49 PM

This is high holy day in our neck of the woods here in Sacramento!

Winebabe on February 3, 2013 at 12:41 PM

+1 winebabe!

I hate the Niners but i can vouch for all of Northern Cali having a full-on nutso party today, as in days of old when the Niners were SB regulars.

from Candlestick to Chico State and Sacramento to Shasta amps are set to 11 today.

Sacramento on February 3, 2013 at 3:00 PM

Ed, since I have 8 and 3 in my pool, I hope your final is off by three points.

predator on February 3, 2013 at 3:01 PM

Winebabe on February 3, 2013 at 12:41 PM

Sacramento on February 3, 2013 at 3:00 PM

As a native born Sacramento-ian, I used to drive from #80 to #50 on Sunrise in ten minutes back in the late 60′s. There were only three lights. Pop would take us to Kezar to watch the Brodie and the Niners, and Candlestick to watch Mays and McCovey put ‘em out of the park. Hoping today is a re-birth of a Niner tradition—winning Superbowls.

Rovin on February 3, 2013 at 3:12 PM

Some of the keys today as I see it.

– Are injured Ravens playmakers Ngata, Suggs, Jimmy Smith and Pitta all at or near full strength? If one or more of these guys cant/doesnt show up today its bad news for Ravens.

The Ravens need Ngata to stop Frank gore, they need Suggs and Smith to stop Vernon D and the Crab, and they need Pitta to find open middle space between Pat Willis Navarro Bowman et al. Yikes.

Plenty of banged up probables among the 49ers too including Willis, Gore, Bowman and Goldson

– Watch out for playground-style haymakers by the Ravens. Do not let Flacco, Torrey Smith and Q Boldin get comfortable and start hitting deep passes.

– Send the Ring Wraiths out after Kid Kap, and dont let him break containment.

Keep him in or near the pocket.(This may not help because he can chuck it just as well as he can tuck it).

Sacramento on February 3, 2013 at 3:32 PM

I’m calling Baltimore on this one. Flacco will kill that flaccid secondary of theirs

Flapjackmaka on February 3, 2013 at 3:40 PM

As a native born Sacramento-ian, I used to drive from #80 to #50 on Sunrise in ten minutes back in the late 60′s. There were only three lights. Pop would take us to Kezar to watch the Brodie and the Niners, and Candlestick to watch Mays and McCovey put ‘em out of the park. Hoping today is a re-birth of a Niner tradition—winning Superbowls.

Rovin on February 3, 2013 at 3:12 PM

Holla.

Sacramento on February 3, 2013 at 3:47 PM

Pains me to say it but Ravens win.

CW on February 3, 2013 at 3:54 PM

NFL ? LOL. Racists.

Mr. Arrogant on February 3, 2013 at 4:03 PM

SF 31
B 10

Xasprtr on February 3, 2013 at 4:16 PM

49′ers 27 – Ravens 16.

dalewalt on February 3, 2013 at 4:22 PM


The saddest part to me is knowing regardless of who wins, I won’t see any live football until August.

Plus, if Congress gets involved, ‘football’ will be replaced by ‘soccer’ soon anyway.

cntrlfrk on February 3, 2013 at 4:24 PM

Ravens 24-14.

CW on February 3, 2013 at 4:27 PM

will be replaced by ‘soccer’ soon anyway.

cntrlfrk on February 3, 2013 at 4:24 PM

and probably soccer with helmets….
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CW on February 3, 2013 at 4:32 PM

Obama on pre-game show.

Seems so beneath the Office, honestly. Can we not even have Sports removed from Politics? Ugh.

BKennedy on February 3, 2013 at 4:37 PM

Does this a-hole have to be everywhere?

Mark1971 on February 3, 2013 at 4:39 PM

BKennedy on February 3, 2013 at 4:37 PM

The Dan Rather channel can’t refuse. They’ll get locked out of the Carney Day Care Center.

Limerick on February 3, 2013 at 4:41 PM

We’ll get the Sandy Hook tear fest, the Mayor asks for understanding fest, the Chevy is America on Drugs fest, and the Head Injury fest. What you won’t get is a BSA or NRA commercial. No no no.

That said the Crows will make the 49Whiners cry all the way home.

Limerick on February 3, 2013 at 4:47 PM

I couldn’t change the channel fast enough with the Pontificator-in-Chief on my airwaves.

CrimsonFisted on February 3, 2013 at 4:49 PM

Even the Patriots-Haters here on Hot Gas will have to admit that our longtime (36 years) radio play-by-play guy was a class act. He finally hung up his mike for good 2 weeks ago.

Gil Santos’ final moments of New England Patriots play-by-play

Gil was the only still working play-by-play guy from the old American Football League, and also covered Penn State Football and many other sports (including the Boston Celtics) over his storied career. Happy Trails, Gil!

Del Dolemonte on February 3, 2013 at 4:50 PM

The ‘mute’ and ‘previous channel’ buttons are your conservative friends.

Limerick on February 3, 2013 at 4:53 PM

I’ll probably watch the game. But for right now Go Phil!

mike_NC9 on February 3, 2013 at 4:56 PM

I couldn’t change the channel fast enough with the Pontificator-in-Chief on my airwaves.

CrimsonFisted on February 3, 2013 at 4:49 PM

Two words: Puppy Bowl. No need to listen to Dear Liar.

rbj on February 3, 2013 at 5:03 PM

whichever
may the winner’s city do a famous burn of

just to show us how its’ done

…to the ground afaiac

Woo-hoo, we won (teh did, too) let’s ‘celebrate’.

Compliments of the riff-raff that votes for ‘teh free’.

SF and Baltimore, you deserve no less.

biw (… it will) and lib

mickytx on February 3, 2013 at 5:13 PM

Good God Almighty! Why does this friggin’ a**hole have to politicize yet another major sporting event? God, I hate this guy, and I’ve NEVER felt this way about any politician before. The arrogant, lying Kenyan SOB.

HiJack on February 3, 2013 at 5:15 PM

One liberal team is playing even more liberal team and Obozo has to show his ugly mug. Change channel. I’ve got steaks grilling, and a few others are bringing pulled pork sandwiches, nachos, etc. I can’t decide which team I want to lose more. Hope the game ends in a tie.

sauldalinsky on February 3, 2013 at 5:16 PM

Del Dolemonte on February 3, 2013 at 4:50 PM

Nice and thanks

Gil had opportune of Bob Cousy too, if I recall.

Johnny Most is still the most precious, imho

mickytx on February 3, 2013 at 5:18 PM

The Cracked Magic Egg Ball prediction – OldBrowns 20, Fortiners 17

And yes, it’s OldBrowns, unless you want to strip every team that has ever moved its history like the NFL did to Modell’s franchise.

Steve Eggleston on February 3, 2013 at 5:30 PM

Steve Eggleston on February 3, 2013 at 5:30 PM

Then it ain’t the OldBrowns either. It is the Cleveland RAMS.

Limerick on February 3, 2013 at 5:32 PM

and Colts

mickytx on February 3, 2013 at 5:39 PM

I think SF will win unless something happens to Kaepernick and A. Smith comes in and blows it. Oh how I would love to see that happen.

mike_NC9 on February 3, 2013 at 5:46 PM

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