Great news: Obama shot a skeet once, or something

posted at 2:31 pm on February 2, 2013 by Ed Morrissey

Barack Obama recently told the New Republic that he understands the concerns of gun owners, because “in fact, up at Camp David, we do skeet shooting all the time.”  As critics chortled over both the notion that skeet shooting is what concerns gun owners and the idea that Obama shoots clay pigeons “all the time,” the White House has finally released a photo to back up its claim … and only one photo, dated August 12, 2012:

That led to a barrage of questions from journalists about whether the White House could offer proof that the president had gone shooting. It also led a Republican congresswoman to issue a challenge for a shoot-off. The White House has not responded to the challenge, but it has now uploaded this image[.]

And here it is:

Fox News reported earlier this week that there’s not likely to be more photos:

News of President Obama’s apparently long-secret fondness for skeet shooting came as a surprise to those who say they have witnessed the president’s “awkward” attempts at pinging the (clay) pigeons.

This has only happened with the president at Camp David, at most, a couple of times, according to a source who says he has been to the retreat on a half-dozen visits with Obama.

“The only time he shot skeet was for President’s Cup,” said the source, referring to a shooting competition tradition involving the presidential Marine guards. “I was there. He stayed for about five minutes, and couldn’t leave fast enough.”

Skeet shooting “is very hard,” said the source. “Especially for someone not used to guns … He couldn’t have been more uncomfortable.”

The source said a friend of his recalled Obama skeet shooting one other time at Camp David — very early on in his first term.

That didn’t stop Obama’s advisers from bragging about the photo this morning, though, and sneering at “skeeters” (via Twitchy and Weekly Standard):

I’ve done plenty of target shooting, but I’ve never gone skeet shooting. Nor is that the reason why most gun owners want their rights respected.  The publication of the photo, and especially the defensive attitude of Obama’s advisers, speaks volumes about their insecurity on the gun-rights issue.

But this certainly makes for a great weekend Caption Contest.  Have at it in the comments!


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(Apologies to rogerb)
 
verbaluce on February 2, 2013 at 5:45 PM

 

(Bit of an obsessed fan. )
 
verbaluce on January 15, 2013 at 10:28 PM

rogerb on February 2, 2013 at 8:21 PM

Obama’s a pathological liar.

disa on February 2, 2013 at 8:16 PM

For more visibility

Schadenfreude on February 2, 2013 at 8:24 PM

My opinion on this is it is all legit. The shot gun is a Winchester model 101 Diamond Grade Skeet Shotgun. The give away is the silvered receiver area and the side vets smoke plum. He was there that weekend. The Naval support Facility Thurmont has a skeet range near the Chapel. Pictures of him skeet shooting with the same shotgun have been posted before it’s just that no one has looked before.

jpcpt03 on February 2, 2013 at 8:27 PM

I had a Browning trap gun once. Wierd trigger. Pro-gun. Pull it no fire. Pull and hold. Bang on release, bottom barrel. Second pull the top. Used it to keep pigeons out of the barn.

But once you pulled the trigger, no backing out. It fired by releasing the trigger.
Accurate as hell.

wolly4321 on February 2, 2013 at 8:32 PM

I’m familiar with shotguns, ported barrels, skeet, powder choices, factory loads, and so forth.

It’s an odd picture…

I don’t want to go all Trump on this but when you fire a shotgun, even a fancy one, you don’t have plumes of smoke coming out. We invented smokeless powder about a hundred years ago.

Can you make a shotgun smoke? Absolutely! Get it hot and run a lot of rounds through it.

Quickly.

I’m with you on this. I do a good bit of shotgunning and loads used for shotgun games don’t produce big plumes of white smoke.

But blanks do.

The smoke is generated from the combustion of the powder.

It’s coming from the top because the barrel is ported, venting gases from the top which helps control muzzle rise.

Shotgun barrels aren’t ported on the top. They’re ported at about 30 degrees from vertical and there are two sets of holes, one set on each side of the barrel. Why is there only one plume of smoke? There should be two plumes in a “V” configuration.

single stack on February 2, 2013 at 8:35 PM

Photoshop caption.

justltl on February 2, 2013 at 8:36 PM

Either that shell was specially made for the photo op or his cheek is gonna hurt worse than his arm.

dogsoldier on February 2, 2013 at 7:04 PM

Dollars to donuts say custom shell for the photo opp, or else a blank.

You can tell by the way he holds it and leans back that he’s half afraid of it.

petefrt on February 2, 2013 at 8:37 PM

Hm.

He probably would’ve preferred a Nerf gun.

But all he got was that Derp! gun.

M240H on February 2, 2013 at 8:42 PM

Another thing about skeet shooting…..

The clay pidgeon is throw about 50-60 yards and peaks around 12 feet high, making the barrel angle about 22 degrees.

The angle of Obama’s gun makes me think he’s shooting at Bret Baier.

itsspideyman on February 2, 2013 at 8:44 PM

Photoshop caption.

justltl on February 2, 2013 at 8:36 PM

Winner.

petefrt on February 2, 2013 at 8:45 PM

But it’s fiction that Obama was bragging…

verbaloon on February 2, 2013 at 5:28 PM

His own 3 words “all the time” prove you to be an unusually poor liar.

Z———-

Del Dolemonte on February 2, 2013 at 8:47 PM

My opinion on this is it is all legit. The shot gun is a Winchester model 101 Diamond Grade Skeet Shotgun. The give away is the silvered receiver area and the side vets smoke plum. He was there that weekend. The Naval support Facility Thurmont has a skeet range near the Chapel. Pictures of him skeet shooting with the same shotgun have been posted before it’s just that no one has looked before.

jpcpt03 on February 2, 2013 at 8:27 PM

I can’t find any evidence that he was there. I also can’t find any other picture of obama holding a gun.

tom daschle concerned on February 2, 2013 at 8:53 PM

I have the RINO’s in my sights.

flytier on February 2, 2013 at 8:54 PM

This is a fun thread to pop in and out of.

Bishop on February 2, 2013 at 8:55 PM

The fake pic you ref is so obviously fake – anyone who took it as real is, as you’re wont to call me, an idiot.

verbaluce on February 2, 2013 at 5:47 PM

The fake picture shows that Obama’s supporters didn’t believe his story, either.

Gelsomina on February 2, 2013 at 8:57 PM

Obama was at camp david in July for the 4th.

HELENE COOPER, NEW YORK TIMES WHITE HOUSE CORRESPONDENT: Alright, for something totally superficial, I have figured out why President Obama does not like Camp David.

CHRIS MATTHEWS, HOST: He doesn’t like it?

COOPER: He hates it. We were up there for the G-8 last weekend and I’ve never been able to understand why, you know, Obama, President Obama doesn’t like going there. It’s beautiful. I mean, the cabins are…

MATTHEWS: Did you get to see it?

COOPER: Yes, I finally got to see it. I got to see the presidential cabin.

MATTHEWS: Everybody loved it.

COOPER: It was fantastic. And so everybody’s going, “Why doesn’t he spend more time up there?” No golf.

MATTHEWS: No golf.

COOPER: It’s all about the golf.

MATTHEWS: Doesn’t he have a little putting green?

COOPER: No, it’s all about the golf. It’s got a couple of places where you can…

MATTHEWS: But it’s got skeet shooting, it’s got bowling, it’s got everything.

COOPER: There’s wildlife, I saw a squirrel.

MATTHEWS: Oh God. I think that shows a limitation at this point. I think it would be great out there.

tom daschle concerned on February 2, 2013 at 9:01 PM

If you see no difference…well then I guess for you it’s all the same.

verbaluce on February 2, 2013 at 5:40 PM

Go look up sporting clays. A whole lot more fun than golf.

An aside here. Obwana must have an ammo carrier/gun porter too, because it’s pretty hard to carry 25 shells around in those mom jeans. That’s why most of us wear those awesome vests.

Fighton03 on February 2, 2013 at 9:12 PM

It is obvious to me that this is a phony and/or staged photo…because Obama has not appeared in public with a severely bruised left cheek and/or a sore shoulder.

Nobody would hold a gun like that…at least not twice…unless they were a very slow learner.

landlines on February 2, 2013 at 9:24 PM

Two things come to mind…

His clearly GRAY hair, which makes me think this was taken not very long ago (did they do this the day nothing was scheduled at the White House… like two days ago?)

And I’ve seen in passing some skeet shooting, isn’t he aiming way too low to be shooting skeet? Don’t they go UP in the air and you aim at an angle from the ground rather than horizontal to it?

UnderstandingisPower on February 2, 2013 at 9:24 PM

@Del Dolemonte:

No, as I’ve posted elsewhere, and as any shotgunner knows, NO ONE who actually does it says “We do skeet shooting all the time.” That’s like saying “We do bowling every Saturday,” or “We do sailing on summer weekends.” We sail. We bowl. We shoot skeet.

Such a shabby pretender. What a Christless wienie.

Humphrey on February 2, 2013 at 9:25 PM

Actually, I think they rigged the gun to puke a charge of #2 Diesel fuel. Even black powder doesn’t belch blue smoke like that, and smokeless powder — the kind used in absolutely every ready-made cartridge today — is, well, um, smokeless.

On the other hand, I have to admit that this forgery is a LOT better than that lame stab at a birth certificate.

Humphrey on February 2, 2013 at 9:31 PM

I don’t know about the laws on this kind of thing, but do you need a permit to shoot in Maryland–or wherever he’s supposed to be here? If so, did he fill out all the paperwork, and they did a background check and all? Just asking.

UnderstandingisPower on February 2, 2013 at 9:35 PM

I’ve been LOLing a lot reading this thread. It’s obvious that a lot of commenters don’t know much about shotguns and shotgun games, even some who try to present themselves as knowledgeable.
What’s been making me chuckle the most, though, is all the references to skeet as an object. I hope people realize that skeet is the name of the game, and not what you shoot at. You shoot at clay birds (or pigeons). Skeet is one of the formal shotgun games. The other two are trap and sporting clays.
There is no such thing as a skeet.

single stack on February 2, 2013 at 9:40 PM

There is no recoil for some reason. The barrel doesn’t raise and skinny Barry doesn’t flinch. Shotguns don’t smoke like that and the light colored tip on the barrel is found on replicas

Redglen on February 2, 2013 at 9:48 PM

As in Tuzla, Hillary is ducking the gun fire from this fake photo.

SouthernGent on February 2, 2013 at 10:08 PM

Actually, I think they rigged the gun to puke a charge of #2 Diesel fuel. Even black powder doesn’t belch blue smoke like that, and smokeless powder — the kind used in absolutely every ready-made cartridge today — is, well, um, smokeless.

Humphrey on February 2, 2013 at 9:31 PM

My thought too. I’ve hunted with shotguns since I was a kid, and I’ve never seen anything like that kind of smoke. Nothing even close.

petefrt on February 2, 2013 at 10:12 PM

He was probably just exhaling down the barrel.

WhatSlushfund on February 2, 2013 at 10:12 PM

Verbaldouchebaggery….you’re an embarrassment.

CW on February 2, 2013 at 10:13 PM

Wake up, folks – this is just another diversion from the FACT that Obama wants to take away our guns.

Remember, lefties are scared of guns, therefore no one else should have them.

MN J on February 2, 2013 at 10:13 PM

What the heck is coming out of the top barrel?

Is that the wad or is the choke coming unscrewed?

?????

roy_batty on February 2, 2013 at 10:18 PM

Well,
I did find that there was an original, not just the choppy jpeg.

It is at: http://www.flickr.com/photos/whitehouse/8436110735/sizes/o/in/photostream/

Now to examine it..

ProfShadow on February 2, 2013 at 10:21 PM

Wake up, folks – this is just another diversion from the FACT that Obama wants to take away our guns.

Remember, lefties are scared of guns, therefore no one else should have them.

We’re not the ones they’re trying to distract from their gun grabbing plans. They’re not stupid enough to think they can.
It’s the low info voters. They don’t want them thinking about the crappy econ – oh look, a squirrel.

single stack on February 2, 2013 at 10:21 PM

Can’t wait for the Ramirez cartoon on this one…

Alibali on February 2, 2013 at 10:24 PM

So now we know that the properties state:

Title/Subject:
President Barack Obama shoots clay target on the range at Camp David, Md., Saturday, Aug. 4, 2012. (Official White House Photo by Pete Souza)

This official White House photograph is being made available only for publication by news organizations and/or for personal use printing by the subject(s) of the photograph. The photograph may not be manipulated in any way and may not be used in commercial or political materials, advertisements, emails, products, promotions that in any way suggests approval or endorsement of the President, the First Family, or the White House.

Authors: Pete Souza
Date taken: 8/4/2012 7:19PM
Program name: Adobe Photoshop CS6(

Copyright: This official White House photograph is being made available only for publication by news organizations and/or for personal use printing by the subject(s) of the photograph. The photograph may not be manipulated in any way and may not be used in commercial or political materials, advertisements, emails, products, promotions that in any way suggests approval or endorsement of the President, the First Family, or the White House.

Horiz/Vert resolution: 240 dpi
Color representation: sRGB

Camera: Canon EOS 5D Mark III, f/4, 1/320 sec, ISO-400,

and a few other things.

ProfShadow on February 2, 2013 at 10:34 PM

A M1 Garand would put Barry on the ass of his momjeans.

wildcat72 on February 2, 2013 at 10:38 PM

Obamas friends shooting guns.

mechkiller_k on February 2, 2013 at 10:41 PM

There is no such thing as a skeet.

single stack on February 2, 2013 at 9:40 PM

I think people were making jokes. You know like. “I killed that poor clay pigeon” or hunting ‘snipes.’

Deanna on February 2, 2013 at 10:42 PM

My thought too. I’ve hunted with shotguns since I was a kid, and I’ve never seen anything like that kind of smoke. Nothing even close.

petefrt on February 2, 2013 at 10:12 PM

This laughably bad photo op reminds me of the time 0dumba’s fellow Dumbocrat phony, Billy “I, too, have done some skeet shooting…with Monica!” Clinton, allowed a photograph of himself, looking through binoculars with the lens cap still on, to be released to the public!

Anti-Control on February 2, 2013 at 10:51 PM

Well,
I did find that there was an original, not just the choppy jpeg.

It is at: http://www.flickr.com/photos/whitehouse/8436110735/sizes/o/in/photostream/

Now to examine it..

I can’t positively identify the gun but it might be an older Citori. Whatever it is, it’s set up for single trap. That’s why there’s only one extended choke tube and it’s in the top barrel.
Barry isn’t shooting at anything. His eye is below the plane of the rib.
There is no indication of recoil in his cheek, shoulder, or the front of his shirt.
The smoke plumes are problematic. First, there’s too much smoke. Modern shotshells just don’t belch that much smoke, and the color is wrong. Smoke from shotguns is darker. Pistols shooting lead bullets produce smoke the color of the smoke in the picture. Second, the smoke from the ports is wrong. It’s only coming from the ports on the right side of the barrel. It should be coming from both sets of ports equally. It’s also out of line with the ports.

single stack on February 2, 2013 at 10:56 PM

single stack on February 2, 2013 at 9:40 PM

just for the record, I know where the low house is.

WryTrvllr on February 2, 2013 at 10:56 PM

The azzhole shot no skeet, or anything on his b-day.

It’s all a lie.

Schadenfreude on February 2, 2013 at 11:07 PM

Well,
I did find that there was an original, not just the choppy jpeg.

It is at: http://www.flickr.com/photos/whitehouse/8436110735/sizes/o/in/photostream/

Now to examine it..

I can’t positively identify the gun but it might be an older Citori. Whatever it is, it’s set up for single trap. That’s why there’s only one extended choke tube and it’s in the top barrel.
Barry isn’t shooting at anything. His eye is below the plane of the rib.
There is no indication of recoil in his cheek, shoulder, or the front of his shirt.
The smoke plumes are problematic. First, there’s too much smoke. Modern shotshells just don’t belch that much smoke, and the color is wrong. Smoke from shotguns is darker. Pistols shooting lead bullets produce smoke the color of the smoke in the picture. Second, the smoke from the ports is wrong. It’s only coming from the ports on the right side of the barrel. It should be coming from both sets of ports equally. It’s also out of line with the ports.

single stack on February 2, 2013 at 10:56 PM

Not that I know much about fire arms, but the gun does appear to be in motion (from the blurring), and the misalignment could be due to that motion. Of course, that speed might be expected to bruise his cheek with it pressed up against it the stock like that. Anybody have pictures of the bruise?

Count to 10 on February 2, 2013 at 11:16 PM

He’s busy ruining America, and very happy to have us distracted by this, I’m sure.

MT on February 2, 2013 at 11:22 PM

Former Navy SEAL & ‘American Sniper’ Author Chris Kyle Reportedly Killed at TX Lodge

BallisticBob on February 2, 2013 at 11:18 PM

You may remember the time he punched former Minnesota Governor Jesse Ventura in the face.

Now that is a patriot. RIP Chris Kyle, the world sucks a great deal more with you not in it.

tom daschle concerned on February 2, 2013 at 11:23 PM

Hey Moochelle does this gun make my bellie look fat?
Oh crap it went off!
Ouch that hurt!

ConcealedKerry on February 2, 2013 at 11:25 PM

Someone said Joe was standing down range with an apple on his head……….poor joe.

nazo311 on February 2, 2013 at 11:25 PM

I don’t know if it’s good or bad for conservatives that we have four years of the liberal movement being run by people in the White House who think that absolutely anything in the world is at stake on the question of whether Barack Obama once shot at something, but I know I’m already getting tired of it.

You got him reelected. Yes, the man whose greatest (and many would say sole) presidential achievement is unarguably inserting the pronounce “I” into a decade-long project of the CIA and the Special Forces. You can stop pretending that he’s a normal person and campaigning now.

Unless the White House staff believes that the President’s bowling-alley photo op will actually make even an iota of difference on gun control? That possibility is too stupid to contemplate.

HitNRun on February 2, 2013 at 11:29 PM

Former Navy SEAL & ‘American Sniper’ Author Chris Kyle Reportedly Killed at TX Lodge

BallisticBob on February 2, 2013 at 11:18 PM

…that is rather upsetting!

KOOLAID2 on February 2, 2013 at 11:29 PM

You don’t bury your cheek that far into the butt of ANY rifle/shotgun, and expect to see down the barrel, or not have your brains jarred a bit…

A first time shooter, or slow learner…

ndanielson on February 2, 2013 at 11:31 PM

Camera: Canon EOS 5D Mark III, f/4, 1/320 sec, ISO-400,

and a few other things.

ProfShadow on February 2, 2013 at 10:34 PM

Good sleuthing, Profshadow. I downloaded the high res image from Flickr, and viewed at 100% in Photoshop, it seems odd that the hand and gun was blurred when it was photographed at 1/320 of a second. That’s a fast shutter speed, and should have frozen any such motion. The detail in Obama’s shirt is sharp immediately to the right of the stock’s butt, as is the hair on his head and ear protectors. (somebody mentioned he probably had a nasty bruise on his left cheek after this shot.)

If the image was altered, someone did a good job. I’m thinking it was enhanced.

Pazman on February 2, 2013 at 11:34 PM

The angle of the barrel betrays him. If you let a skeet get that low, the chances of making the shot are slim to none, as the skeet is usually out of range at that point. The only exception to that level-barrel shot is when you’re shooting triples, and you’re trying to get that last one before it finds ground.

Of course, the only triples this guy ever shot probably had more do with hits on a joint or snorting cocaine lines off a glass table.

TXUS on February 2, 2013 at 11:37 PM

I can’t positively identify the gun but it might be an older Citori. Whatever it is, it’s set up for single trap. That’s why there’s only one extended choke tube and it’s in the top barrel.
Barry isn’t shooting at anything. His eye is below the plane of the rib.
There is no indication of recoil in his cheek, shoulder, or the front of his shirt.
The smoke plumes are problematic. First, there’s too much smoke. Modern shotshells just don’t belch that much smoke, and the color is wrong. Smoke from shotguns is darker. Pistols shooting lead bullets produce smoke the color of the smoke in the picture. Second, the smoke from the ports is wrong. It’s only coming from the ports on the right side of the barrel. It should be coming from both sets of ports equally. It’s also out of line with the ports.

single stack on February 2, 2013 at 10:56 PM

Take a look at the original size image; that doesn’t look like a choke tube on the top barrel, it doesn’t line up with the barrel line, it looks like a wad coming out Someone postulated that he was shooting a blank, that would explain a gas plume in front of the wad.

AZfederalist on February 2, 2013 at 11:39 PM

Plus, nobody I know shoots skeet (or anything else) in mom jeans.

TXUS on February 2, 2013 at 11:40 PM

Well, there’s always skeet surfin’.

coldwarrior on February 2, 2013 at 11:40 PM

Plus, he’s wearing sunglasses when there’s no bright sun or shadows, probably shooting late in the day or with clouds. You never shoot with sunglasses under such light.

TXUS on February 2, 2013 at 11:46 PM

The picture is real. The front of the gun is in motion – you can tell from the slanted elongation of the front Tru-glo type site.

I think the shotshell is the gold looking item which has just emerged from the top barrel.

With regard to the smoke, I have seen some handloaded shotgun shells give off that type and amount of smoke. Generally, they have been for ‘specialty’ loads where the person handloading wants a more gradual burn (i.e. stun loads, etc.). I think the “light load” was intentionally selected to tame the recoil for someone who is visibly uncomfortable with what he is doing.

His form is atrocious and whoever let him fire the shotgun with it that high on his shoulder and his cheek jammed down on the stock should be ashamed of themself. I despise the SCOAMF but I still would not let him discharge that weapon the way he was holding it. His front hand is also too far forward; it is almost comletely off the checkering.

He is NOT shooting skeet, clays or anything else in that picture – the front of the shotgun would HAVE to be moving more and there would be more blurring along the barrels because the gun would be moving to one side or another. He is shooting at a stationary target.

He has the classic “If I lean back away from it the recoil won’t hurt so much” newb stance. You will see it on virtually every person who believes the horror stories about how hard a 12 ga kicks.

PolAgnostic on February 2, 2013 at 11:53 PM

Barack,faking a Willie swagger:

“Mama don’t let your babies grow up to be cowboys
Don’t let ‘em pick guitars and drive them old trucks
Make ‘em be doctors and lawyers and such
Mama don’t let your babies grow up to be cowboys
They’ll never stay home and they’re always alone
Even with someone they love.”

joecollins on February 2, 2013 at 11:53 PM

Not that I know much about fire arms, but the gun does appear to be in motion (from the blurring), and the misalignment could be due to that motion.

it seems odd that the hand and gun was blurred when it was photographed at 1/320 of a second. That’s a fast shutter speed, and should have frozen any such motion. The detail in Obama’s shirt is sharp immediately to the right of the stock’s butt, as is the hair on his head and ear protectors.

For the plumes of smoke to appear as they do the picture would have to be taken while the smoke is still shooting out of the muzzle and ports. There should not be any misalignment. Again, there is no smoke coming from the ports on the left side of the barrel. That is not possible.
The gun being blurred as if from motion with the cheek and shoulder being sharp is one of the indicators of there not being any recoil. If the gun is moving the cheek and shoulder should be moving too, and the cheek would show wrinkling and distortion from the stock moving against it while the butt would be mashed into the shoulder. The front of the shirt would also give indications of movement.
I think it’s likely that the picture was taken with him simply holding the gun and then enhanced.

single stack on February 2, 2013 at 11:53 PM

The angle of the barrel betrays him.

TXUS on February 2, 2013 at 11:37 PM

It’s Tee-skeet. The command is, place.

Barnestormer on February 2, 2013 at 11:57 PM

He has the classic “If I lean back away from it the recoil won’t hurt so much” newb stance. You will see it on virtually every person who believes the horror stories about how hard a 12 ga kicks.

PolAgnostic on February 2, 2013 at 11:53 PM

It is likely a 20Ga. They don’t kick so much. They do kick, but nothing remotely like a 12Ga

tom daschle concerned on February 2, 2013 at 11:57 PM

single stack on February 2, 2013 at 11:53 PM

If the gun were only rotating about the shoulder and not recoiling rearward, the the blurring would be largest at the end where the barrel is actually moving a bit, and not further back on the gun.

Not sure why that would be the case.

If you zoom in on the ports it appears that there is smoke discharging on the near side of the gun.

TexasDan on February 3, 2013 at 12:03 AM

There are definitely barrel ports on the side of the barrel facing the viewer, and they don’t have any smoke or visible gases coming out of them. That is unusual.

tom daschle concerned on February 3, 2013 at 12:04 AM

His form is atrocious and whoever let him fire the shotgun with it that high on his shoulder and his cheek jammed down on the stock should be ashamed of themself. I despise the SCOAMF but I still would not let him discharge that weapon the way he was holding it. His front hand is also too far forward; it is almost comletely off the checkering.

He is NOT shooting skeet, clays or anything else in that picture – the front of the shotgun would HAVE to be moving more and there would be more blurring along the barrels because the gun would be moving to one side or another. He is shooting at a stationary target.

He has the classic “If I lean back away from it the recoil won’t hurt so much” newb stance. You will see it on virtually every person who believes the horror stories about how hard a 12 ga kicks.

PolAgnostic on February 2, 2013 at 11:53 PM

Until you said it, I’d failed to note the butt so high on his shoulder and his cheek jammed down, complete rookie position. Plus, no one I know shoots skeet or clays with a 12 ga., if what he’s got in his hands is a 12. That said, I’m sure he knows a lot more about building and placing bombs than shooting, thanks to Bill Ayers, et al.

TXUS on February 3, 2013 at 12:06 AM

I think it’s likely that the picture was taken with him simply holding the gun and then enhanced.

single stack on February 2, 2013 at 11:53 PM

Yeah, the more I look at it, you’re right. No natural movement at all, and the smoke pattern is so fake as well.

TXUS on February 3, 2013 at 12:11 AM

I think the shotshell is the gold looking item which has just emerged from the top barrel.

With regard to the smoke, I have seen some handloaded shotgun shells give off that type and amount of smoke. Generally, they have been for ‘specialty’ loads where the person handloading wants a more gradual burn (i.e. stun loads, etc.). I think the “light load” was intentionally selected to tame the recoil for someone who is visibly uncomfortable with what he is doing.

The shotshell doesn’t come out of the muzzle. It stays in the gun until it’s ejected from the breech when the action is opened. Also, the smoke follows what does come out of the muzzle ( the shot charge and wad). The smoke can’t pass the plug that has it contained within the barrel.
The type and amount of smoke in the picture is at blackpowder levels. The only shotshells that will produce it are loaded with blackpowder. (or specialty shells specifically designed to produce smoke) No sane person would allow its use in an expensive competition gun.
Full power shotshells produce very little smoke. Light (low recoil) loads produce even less. There is less powder and shot.

single stack on February 3, 2013 at 12:11 AM

Until you said it, I’d failed to note the butt so high on his shoulder and his cheek jammed down, complete rookie position. Plus, no one I know shoots skeet or clays with a 12 ga., if what he’s got in his hands is a 12. That said, I’m sure he knows a lot more about building and placing bombs than shooting, thanks to Bill Ayers, et al.

TXUS on February 3, 2013 at 12:06 AM

We do, but that’s because that is what we have.

AZfederalist on February 3, 2013 at 12:14 AM

If you zoom in on the ports it appears that there is smoke discharging on the near side of the gun.

Then why isn’t there a clear plume like on the other side? It isn’t possible for the two sets of ports to eject unequal volumes of gas.

Plus, no one I know shoots skeet or clays with a 12 ga., if what he’s got in his hands is a 12.

At our club clays shoots, which are open to the general public, 80 – 90 % of the guns are 12 ga.

single stack on February 3, 2013 at 12:20 AM

tom daschle concerned on February 2, 2013 at 11:57 PM

And if you have shot a lot, you’ll have seen people still lean back from a 20 ga. … though in my experience they tend to be women shorter than 5′ – 2″ tall ;)

Pulled my over/under out and checked the geometry – I am pretty sure that’s a 12 ga looking a barrel diameters, etc.

I have seen that gold colored wad in some defensive load before. If I get a chance to go by the gun show tomorrow maybe I’ll spot it.

Oh, yeah – the tension in his left arm is incredible and it is not because of the recoil impulse, he had it that tense when he pulled the trigger.

PolAgnostic on February 3, 2013 at 12:23 AM

You don’t have to have shot at all to have seen people recoil from expected recoil. :p

tom daschle concerned on February 3, 2013 at 12:31 AM

ProfShadow on February 2, 2013 at 10:34 PM

Of course all that info can be adjusted in photoshop to say whatever you want, including the date photo taken.

Be interesting to see/hear what Pete Souza would testify to, under oath.

LegendHasIt on February 3, 2013 at 12:32 AM

Does a shooting range normally have paved pathway running adjacent to it?

Goody2Shoes on February 3, 2013 at 12:34 AM

The shotshell doesn’t come out of the muzzle. It stays in the gun until it’s ejected from the breech when the action is opened. Also, the smoke follows what does come out of the muzzle ( the shot charge and wad). The smoke can’t pass the plug that has it contained within the barrel.
The type and amount of smoke in the picture is at blackpowder levels. The only shotshells that will produce it are loaded with blackpowder. (or specialty shells specifically designed to produce smoke) No sane person would allow its use in an expensive competition gun.
Full power shotshells produce very little smoke. Light (low recoil) loads produce even less. There is less powder and shot.

single stack on February 3, 2013 at 12:11 AM

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My bad, I’ve corrected it in my reply to TXUS that I was referring to the wad. The defensive shotgun rounds run some pretty wierd propellants and some of them do produce that type of smoke.

I have it on video from our annual fall pumpkin shooting day last November. I had bought some of the defensive loads for my son-in-law to try on the pumpkins. I am shooting video, he pulls the trigger … and just smoke came out similar to what you are seeing there in terms of pattern but not as much. The “rubber ball” load was wedged in the barrel.

We cleared it out OK but he got the idea the problem was the barrel so he went and tried it in another 12 ga … with the exact same result. We decided we wouldn’t be buying any more loads from the fellow who was selling this particular selection at the gun show.

With regard to the picture, a defensive load would expain why only the very tip of the shotgun seems to be moving. Light load on a ported barrel is not going to send a lot of force back down to the shooter and the recoil impulse would have already hit him with the load having exited the barrel.

Sane people and expensive shotguns are not joined at the hip. I have seen people with expensive ($ 3,000+) shotguns abuse the crap out of them – and in this case I think we can take it for granted whoever’s shotgun is in the picture – he probably qualifies as part of the 1%.

Of course, I’ve seen even more people with outrageously expensive shotguns who couldn’t hit a 1′ in diameter pumpkin at 10 yards to save their life. It’s sad to see a beautiful piece of workmanship in the hands of a complete incompetent.

PolAgnostic on February 3, 2013 at 12:40 AM

Does a shooting range normally have paved pathway running adjacent to it?

Goody2Shoes on February 3, 2013 at 12:34 AM

Here is an aerial view of Camp David. The skeet shooting range is the white arc in the lower left side of the picture. Notice the paved road adjacent?

tom daschle concerned on February 3, 2013 at 12:41 AM

Former Navy SEAL & ‘American Sniper’ Author Chris Kyle Reportedly Killed at TX Lodge

BallisticBob on February 2, 2013 at 11:18 PM

Whoa.

Jaibones on February 3, 2013 at 12:43 AM

At our club clays shoots, which are open to the general public, 80 – 90 % of the guns are 12 ga.

single stack on February 3, 2013 at 12:20 AM

Down here we shoot dove with 12s, they being higher fliers, and quail, pheasant, and the like with 20s, so that’s why we do clays with 20s and not 12s. The clays better simulate the flight paths of the flushers, which we don’t won’t to obliterate with 12s, thus we use the 20s on skeet.

TXUS on February 3, 2013 at 12:48 AM

“So this is how it feels to shoot a blank. I thought it would kick.”

sadatoni on February 3, 2013 at 12:50 AM

Take that, infidel dog!”

profitsbeard on February 3, 2013 at 1:08 AM

The dailymail’s article on this is precious. The comments will make you think football is actually played with hands on a stripey field.

There is a picture of Dubya worth the click.

tom daschle concerned on February 3, 2013 at 1:09 AM

“Can these earmuffs block out moochele too?”

WryTrvllr on February 3, 2013 at 1:11 AM

Looking at the aerial, why shoot back towards the compound? That can’t be much more than 150 yards.

WryTrvllr on February 3, 2013 at 1:12 AM

Looking at the aerial, why shoot back towards the compound? That can’t be much more than 150 yards.

WryTrvllr on February 3, 2013 at 1:12 AM

Where would a shooter stand in that arc? I don’t know I have never shot on an official field or whatever they call it. Does the shooter stand in the median of the arc? If so, they are shooting right back at the camp David compound, which is weird.

tom daschle concerned on February 3, 2013 at 1:16 AM

Where would a shooter stand in that arc? I don’t know I have never shot on an official field or whatever they call it. Does the shooter stand in the median of the arc? If so, they are shooting right back at the camp David compound, which is weird.

tom daschle concerned on February 3, 2013 at 1:16 AM

at 7 different equally spaced “stations” on the arc itself, shooting toward the center of the half circle.

WryTrvllr on February 3, 2013 at 1:20 AM

He’s not “shooting skeets” or pidgeons or anything else. What’s he’s taken aim at is of far greater import.

ChipDWood on February 3, 2013 at 1:45 AM

“uhhh OK, but how do I shoot the bottom barrel?”

WryTrvllr on February 3, 2013 at 2:46 AM

“But you said to shoot the high house first”

WryTrvllr on February 3, 2013 at 2:49 AM

” Seriously??? 9′s won’t reach her room?”

WryTrvllr on February 3, 2013 at 2:52 AM

“Next time we’re in Cartagena, you had better invite me, got it?”

WryTrvllr on February 3, 2013 at 3:08 AM

” See John!! My wife DOES let me smoke ‘em”

WryTrvllr on February 3, 2013 at 3:12 AM

“I’m a REAL Boy”

WryTrvllr on February 3, 2013 at 3:15 AM

” Holy Crap!!! I finally got a hole in one!”

WryTrvllr on February 3, 2013 at 3:19 AM

” Damn, that one’s in the rough, what do I do now?”

WryTrvllr on February 3, 2013 at 3:21 AM

“Wash This!”

WryTrvllr on February 3, 2013 at 3:28 AM

“So Obama, Biden, Reid, and some unnamed nonpartisan General beam over to the skeet range…..”

WryTrvllr on February 3, 2013 at 3:32 AM

“See Chuck, See??? THAT’S why I nixed those stupid F-22s”

WryTrvllr on February 3, 2013 at 4:01 AM

“Hey. I told you Fox news reporters to clear out!”

WryTrvllr on February 3, 2013 at 4:26 AM

The economy just contracted, unemployment is on the way up, and families are facing health care premiums of $20,000 plus per year.

And we are talking about skeet shooting?
Seriously?
Who gives a f#@k?

DRayRaven on February 3, 2013 at 6:33 AM

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