Pew: Majority now believes federal gov’t a threat to their freedom

posted at 12:01 pm on February 1, 2013 by Ed Morrissey

Get out of town!  Why would Americans increasingly believe that?  It’s not as if the federal government has forced them to buy insurance for the privilege of breathing, threatened to grab their firearms, or imposed a new and restrictive definition of “free expression” of religion.

Oh, wait

As Barack Obama begins his second term in office, trust in the federal government remains mired near a historic low, while frustration with government remains high. And for the first time, a majority of the public says that the federal government threatens their personal rights and freedoms.

The latest national survey by the Pew Research Center for the People & the Press, conducted Jan. 9-13 among 1,502 adults, finds that 53% think that the federal government threatens their own personal rights and freedoms while 43% disagree.

In March 2010, opinions were divided over whether the government represented a threat to personal freedom; 47% said it did while 50% disagreed. In surveys between 1995 and 2003, majorities rejected the idea that the government threatened people’s rights and freedoms.

The change, says Pew, comes largely from conservative Republicans, who went from 62% to 76% over the last 34 months.  However, a majority of self-described independents (55%) believe the same thing, almost the exact same as “moderate/liberal Republicans,” an increase of five points in that period.  That sentiment also increased among Democrats, going from 34% to 38%. Note, too, that the comparison takes place with March 2010, when Congress shoved ObamaCare into law despite widespread opposition that still exists today.

The history of this question in the series is illuminating, too:

Note the previous significant shift in opinion, which took place between August 2002 and October 2003.  That’s probably attributable to the Patriot Act, which Barack Obama used to oppose but liked a whole lot more once he took office.  Before that, the most significant shift was optimistic, right after 9/11, after pessimism had climbed throughout the Clinton administration.

The Washington Post’s Aaron Blake connects some of the dots:

This is an important piece of data to keep in mind as Congress debates new gun legislation. While polls show broad support for expanding background checks and limiting the manufacture and sale of certain types of so-called assault weapons, the flip side of that is that many Americans are wary of their government going too far in restricting their constitutional rights — be it on guns or anything else.

And if gun rights supporters can convince the public (and members of Congress) that the legislation creates a too-powerful federal government that impinges on people’s rights and freedoms, they may help reverse their early deficit in the polls.

The American public is very receptive to such a message.

For good reason.


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Waiter: “Your choice today is a sh!t sandwich or a BLT”

You: “I don’t like bacon”

Waiter: “Would you like some fries with your sh!t sandwich?”

VegasRick on February 1, 2013 at 12:46 PM

Yeah. You know, most people would find another restaurant or eat at home. Which is what happened, isn’t it?

besser tot als rot on February 1, 2013 at 1:00 PM

@Bishop lol

tommy71 on February 1, 2013 at 1:03 PM

Waiter: “Your choice today is a sh!t sandwich or a BLT”

You: “I don’t like bacon”

Waiter: “Would you like some fries with your sh!t sandwich?”

VegasRick on February 1, 2013 at 12:46 PM

And the people that thought that bacon tastes like sh!t probably thought, “well, I got the sh!t sandwich last time, and bacon tastes like sh!t to me, so … yes, with fries.”

besser tot als rot on February 1, 2013 at 1:03 PM

Doomberg on February 1, 2013 at 12:49 PM

I agree with you. I also know that the Mittkids are some of the most vicious people around. They are very similar to the leftists. The latter, with Obama their thuggish king, enjoy the C/R split.

While all that rrpjr writes is true about Mitt, a truly pathetic figure for such a dire time, there is one big difference btw. Mitt and Obama. One loves his country and the other loves to destroy her.

May all who brung, then kept, Obama, from all sides, no matter your actions/inactions, be utterly destroyed. The fight was in the primaries. Mitt fought better to destroy his R competitors than the leftist rat.

2014 will be a disaster for the Rs and the land and 2016 too.

I wish total demise…then, maybe, maybe, maybe, though I doubt it…someone will rise from the ashes.

A very wise man tells me that there is one flicker of hope – that Obama destroys at a pace too fast for the people to absorb, that the frogs will not be able to handle the very hot water and jump out of the pan.

Here’s hoping, but with little optimism for any changes to occur any time soon.

In the meanwhile, starve the Looters/moochers and go gulching.

Schadenfreude on February 1, 2013 at 1:04 PM

Ha.

The growing view that the federal government threatens personal rights and freedoms has been led by conservative Republicans. Currently 76% of conservative Republicans say that the federal government threatens their personal rights and freedoms and 54% describe the government as a “major” threat. Three years ago, 62% of conservative Republicans said the government was a threat to their freedom; 47% said it was a major threat.

Keep at it guys…and maybe you can get the # up even higher!
Spreadin’ the fear…and livin’ in fear.

verbaluce on February 1, 2013 at 1:04 PM

Yeah. You know, most people would find another restaurant or eat at home. Which is what happened, isn’t it?

besser tot als rot on February 1, 2013 at 1:00 PM

Ron Paul’s hamburger stand?

VegasRick on February 1, 2013 at 1:04 PM

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canopfor on February 1, 2013 at 1:05 PM

If you gotta flick the cockroaches off the table maybe a different restaurant is in order.

Limerick on February 1, 2013 at 1:06 PM

Doomberg on February 1, 2013 at 12:59 PM

Correct. But he was specific as to people here.

Who to blame for people who stay home? The candidate is responsible for selling his message and inspiring his people — indeed, of expanding the inspiration beyond just his people. As Reagan inspired into existence the “Reagan democrat.”

rrpjr on February 1, 2013 at 1:08 PM

Sorry but those that stayed home because their guy didn’t get the nomination are about as worthless as the parasites that did go to the polls to vote for Obama.

Happy Nomad on February 1, 2013 at 12:59 PM

Yeah. That probably describes just about nobody. Unless you count the Lugar people who refused to back Mourdock. If people stayed home, it was because Romney failed to offer them a compelling reason to vote for him. Because he was offering “more of the same,” just like Obama. Now, Obama wasn’t really offering more of the same – he was offering statist expansion and borderline tyranny, but he didn’t actually run on that.

besser tot als rot on February 1, 2013 at 1:08 PM

Calling them “assh*les” however isn’t going to get them back to the polls and is counterproductive to say the least.

Doomberg on February 1, 2013 at 12:59 PM

Let them starve in the streets thanks to their election choice. Who says they are wanted back? We have too many traitors in the GOP as it is. Tell Obama to take care of them because they certainly are as stupid and greedy as anyone who totes an Obamaphone or puts their womb ahead of the religious freedom of all Americans. In short, I don’t give a rodent’s behind if their feelings are hurt.

Happy Nomad on February 1, 2013 at 1:08 PM

Keep at it guys…and maybe you can get the # up even higher!
Spreadin’ the fear…and livin’ in fear.

verbaluce on February 1, 2013 at 1:04 PM

It’s easier being a liberal, when Barky lies to you that old skin color thing is a nice fallback.

Bishop on February 1, 2013 at 1:09 PM

Ron Paul’s hamburger stand?

VegasRick on February 1, 2013 at 1:04 PM

I have no idea what you’re talking about. Ron Paul didn’t even run in the general. Regardless. Run a statist Republican who refuses to or is incapable of promoting free people and free markets and you’re going to lose. Can we learn that lesson yet? Or do we have to lose a few more times and devolve into a banana republic first?

besser tot als rot on February 1, 2013 at 1:10 PM

This is a mean thread, blood everywhere.

Bishop on February 1, 2013 at 12:58 PM

Leeches love blood.

Schadenfreude on February 1, 2013 at 1:11 PM

Keep at it guys…and maybe you can get the # up even higher!
Spreadin’ the fear…and livin’ in fear.

verbaluce on February 1, 2013 at 1:04 PM

Keep your head buried in the sand lookin’ for unicorns…

Doomsday on February 1, 2013 at 1:12 PM

Spreadin’ the fear…and livin’ in fear.

verbaluce on February 1, 2013 at 1:04 PM

Better living like this, still free and independent, much better than living like rats in latrine slush. Are you not ashamed to live in such dependency, you maggot?

Schadenfreude on February 1, 2013 at 1:13 PM

………..and yet we love the DOTUS.

PappyD61 on February 1, 2013 at 1:13 PM

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canopfor on February 1, 2013 at 1:16 PM

So look at the game plan. 2016 Barry’s America might give way to Horton the Elephant’s America. 2016 Barry’s full weight goes into effect for the April 2017 tax return. Horton sits in the White House and tries to understand why the peep blame Horton.

Check and mate.

Limerick on February 1, 2013 at 1:16 PM

……..and just wait until our Paychecks all get evened out.

http://articles.baltimoresun.com/2013-01-29/news/bal-mikulski-seeks-executive-order-on-pay-equality-20130129_1_types-of-occupations-men-mikulski-paycheck-fairness-act

Mikulski seeks executive order on pay equality.

WASHINGTON — Sen. Barbara A. Mikulski is calling on the Obama administration to prohibit federal contractors from retaliating against employees who discuss salaries — a new twist on a key provision of the pay equality legislation the Maryland Democrat has sought for years.

In a letter to the White House on Tuesday, Mikulski argued that President Obama should sign an executive order baring contractors from firing employees who disclose their own pay or inquire about another employee’s salary.

PappyD61 on February 1, 2013 at 1:17 PM

If people stayed home, it was because Romney failed to offer them a compelling reason to vote for him. Because he was offering “more of the same,” just like Obama. Now, Obama wasn’t really offering more of the same – he was offering statist expansion and borderline tyranny, but he didn’t actually run on that.

besser tot als rot on February 1, 2013 at 1:08 PM

Three points:

First, a lot of angry Ron Paul people stayed home because of the stupid and untrue meme that Romney was just like Obama.

Second, I’d agree with you that Romney’s messaging was wrong. He wanted to keep the economy as the single reason to vote for him over the rat-eared wonder. In part it is understandable because to attack the rat-eared wonder in any substantive way would be to invite the idea that the rich white guy is picking on the black guy from the slums of Chicago. That being said, Romney and his people let the enemy run the table when they made allegations about there being a war on women, gays, german shepherds, whatever. When HHS decided that the Catholic Church had to pay for the whoring of students at its law school, Romney should have been the one out there leading the charge for religious freedom instead of playing defense against allegations that he wanted to ban all abortions. In short, he underestimated the enemy.

Finally, the real crux of the matter is that anybody who really thinks that Romeny was just like Obama or that there was no difference between the two of them really really really are too dumb to vote.

Happy Nomad on February 1, 2013 at 1:17 PM

Mikulski has sponsored legislation, the Paycheck Fairness Act, that would put that prohibition in place for all employers. But the measure fell seven votes shy of the 60 needed to bring it to the Senate floor last year amid a charged presidential election in which women voters were courted by both Obama and Republican nominee Mitt Romney.

She recently reintroduced the bill.

“Right now in the marketplace it is legal to fire a woman if she asks about her pay, whether she goes to the personnel director or if she asks the person next to her at the water cooler,” Mikulski said in a statement. “While we work to pass the Paycheck Fairness Act in Congress, we have to make sure that contractors doing business with the United States government are not retaliating against hardworking Americans for discussing salary information.”

A White House spokesman was not immediately available to respond to the letter.

Mikulski’s legislation would expand the landmark 1963 Equal Pay Act, which prohibits wage discrimination based on gender. The proposal would limit the circumstances under which an employer can legally pay men and women differently. It also would let women sue employers for punitive damages if they can demonstrate they were treated unfairly — a sticking point for business groups.

PappyD61 on February 1, 2013 at 1:20 PM

Second, I’d agree with you that Romney’s messaging was wrong. He wanted to keep the economy as the single reason to vote for him over the rat-eared wonder.

I don’t think his messaging was wrong, I think his message was wrong. Romney should have run on freedom, not on how when he’s in there the state is going to fix everything, how he’s going to protect all of the statist policies, how his statist RomneyCare was awesome, etc. If your message is freedom, the messaging is easy.

Finally, the real crux of the matter is that anybody who really thinks that Romeny was just like Obama or that there was no difference between the two of them really really really are too dumb to vote.

Happy Nomad on February 1, 2013 at 1:17 PM

That may be true, but vote they do.

besser tot als rot on February 1, 2013 at 1:22 PM

Yeah. That probably describes just about nobody. Unless you count the Lugar people who refused to back Mourdock. If people stayed home, it was because Romney failed to offer them a compelling reason to vote for him. Because he was offering “more of the same,” just like Obama. Now, Obama wasn’t really offering more of the same – he was offering statist expansion and borderline tyranny, but he didn’t actually run on that.

besser tot als rot on February 1, 2013 at 1:08 PM

Exactly. I didn’t talk to a single person who stayed home to spite Romney. I’m sure such people existed, just as they do in any election. But this was more of a projection by Romneybots, who in fact exemplified spite even in victory (turning Churchill’s injunction on its head). In any case, such challenges are part of the cost of doing business, just as overcoming them part of the job. That is, the imperative to win people over and expand your base.

People simply recognized, based on a punishing preponderance of evidence, that Romney was not willing or able to champion their hopes and needs for America, and even their primal craving to recognize and name the enemy and engage the fight. Romney’s campaign was a kind of cruel moral abuse, a political masochism. Given the holistic realization of who he was (demonstrated over decades) it took a real effort to support him. That’s the candidate’s fault, a recipe for failure, and should never be the case.

rrpjr on February 1, 2013 at 1:23 PM

Spreadin’ the fear…and livin’ in fear.

verbaluce on February 1, 2013 at 1:04 PM

Better living like this, still free and independent, much better than living like rats in latrine slush. Are you not ashamed to live in such dependency, you maggot?

Schadenfreude on February 1, 2013 at 1:13 PM

You’re not free from the paranoid demons that haunt your fevered dreams, you…why you…you lice nit.
You and your fellow harlots on the poll!

verbaluce on February 1, 2013 at 1:25 PM

A very wise man tells me that there is one flicker of hope – that Obama destroys at a pace too fast for the people to absorb, that the frogs will not be able to handle the very hot water and jump out of the pan.

Schadenfreude on February 1, 2013 at 1:04 PM

I guess many of us had hoped we had already reached that point, only to be shocked by the election results.

petefrt on February 1, 2013 at 1:25 PM

Spreadin’ the fear…and livin’ in fear.

verbaluce on February 1, 2013 at 1:04 PM

Maggot, this is all you need to read on “fear”.

You are the harlots on the dole. We make it on our own efforts.

Schadenfreude on February 1, 2013 at 1:29 PM

JeremiahJohnson on February 1, 2013 at 1:26 PM

HotAirHeads will read it, but Chicago won’t get past the headline. All they will know is that if they sit on their hands Uncle Sugar will make you make up the difference. And you will. Uncle Sugar will make sure of it.

Limerick on February 1, 2013 at 1:29 PM

verbaluce, freedom/independence are not easy but they are incredible to live by. There is nothing more noble.

Schadenfreude on February 1, 2013 at 1:30 PM

verbaluce on February 1, 2013 at 1:25 PM

So I take you like the idea of being enslaved to unlimited government?

Galt2009 on February 1, 2013 at 1:30 PM

verbaluce on February 1, 2013 at 1:25 PM

Analyze what you typed, foolish simpleton. If you ever get a few clues, you’ll be ashamed of your stupidity.

Schadenfreude on February 1, 2013 at 1:34 PM

It’s easier being a liberal, when Barky lies to you that old skin color thing is a nice fallback.

Bishop on February 1, 2013 at 1:09 PM

Your comment reveals that’s quite a bit more your fixation.
Odd to mention it…and doesn’t really make any sense.
But maybe you’re just scared. And confused.

verbaluce on February 1, 2013 at 1:34 PM

besser tot als rot on February 1, 2013 at 1:22 PM

I think Romney’s message was okay as far as it went but I understand what you are saying. The GOP needed somebody to provide a different view of American’s relationship with their government. And while we had glimmers of that, at the USS Wisconsin introducing Paul Ryan as his running mate for example, for the most part the Romney message was more about tinkering with status quo so as to not scare off the greedy stupid people who vote with their womb or heart instead of their head. I’m not sure we had that guy in any one of the potential candidates. Newt, for example, preaches smaller government but is simply too toxic to be electable (no matter what he thinks).

And yes, stupid people do vote. Which it is all the more reprehensible when smarter people do not for whatever reason and then spend the next four years complaining about the outcome.

Happy Nomad on February 1, 2013 at 1:34 PM

I didn’t talk to a single person who stayed home to spite Romney.

rrpjr on February 1, 2013 at 1:23 PM

HotAir has several of them. Proud they managed to spike the gun on Romney’s campaign. Too damned stupid to see what that did to them and the rest of us.

Happy Nomad on February 1, 2013 at 1:36 PM

verbaluce on February 1, 2013 at 1:25 PM

So I take you like the idea of being enslaved to unlimited government?

Galt2009 on February 1, 2013 at 1:30 PM

As the poll shows…you guys are the ones in ropes.
Of course they are flimsy…and you could untie them…if you wanted too.

verbaluce on February 1, 2013 at 1:37 PM

Happy Nomad and rrpjr, spot on in all comments…

Schadenfreude on February 1, 2013 at 1:37 PM

verbaluce on February 1, 2013 at 1:25 PM

Newtown Calls for Armed School Officers
http://www.nbcconnecticut.com/news/local/Newtown-Votes-for-Armed-School-Officers-189320221.html?dr

Armed guard disarmed teen in Atlanta school shooting, says police chief
http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/world/55742445-68/shooting-atlanta-police-says.html.csp
Atlanta • A student opened fire at his middle school Thursday afternoon, wounding a 14-year-old in the neck before an armed officer working at the school was able to get the gun away, police said.

You have my condolences at might have been – who knows, a bunch more kids might have been killed in a ‘Horrific’ manner and it would have been a “Good Thing” in the words of Former Governor Ed Rendell.

And you could of been there to lead the charge to destroy the Constitution a little bit more.

Galt2009 on February 1, 2013 at 1:39 PM

Of course they are flimsy…and you could untie them…if you wanted too.

verbaluce on February 1, 2013 at 1:37 PM

We are proud and independent people, not bondage-maggots. Wake up before you are just another sheeple in the holding area. You sometimes can be nice and a little discerning. Think about it. It would do you a lot of good.

Schadenfreude on February 1, 2013 at 1:39 PM

verbaluce, freedom/independence are not easy but they are incredible to live by. There is nothing more noble.

Schadenfreude on February 1, 2013 at 1:30 PM

I know. I enjoy them greatly.
You should give it a try.

verbaluce on February 1, 2013 at 1:39 PM

You sometimes can be nice and a little discerning.

Schadenfreude on February 1, 2013 at 1:39 PM

Right back at ya.
Well the nice part, anyway.

verbaluce on February 1, 2013 at 1:41 PM

So I take you like the idea of being enslaved to unlimited government?

Galt2009 on February 1, 2013 at 1:30 PM

As the poll shows…you guys are the ones in ropes.

verbaluce on February 1, 2013 at 1:37 PM

What?

Could you try to make more sense?

Galt2009 on February 1, 2013 at 1:41 PM

verbaluce on February 1, 2013 at 1:37 PM

Were those who rose against the British, or any tyranny in the majority, ever? Please use your cells more wisely. Of the other trolls you have the goodness in you. Apply it.

Schadenfreude on February 1, 2013 at 1:41 PM

Analyze what you typed, foolish simpleton. If you ever get a few clues, you’ll be ashamed of your stupidity.

Schadenfreude on February 1, 2013 at 1:34 PM

Liberals hate when reality fogs up their rose colored glasses. Of course they love blaming the Right for things like ‘talking down the economy’, but the truth is that we’re not the only ones displaying growing disaffection.

From the text of the essay starting this thread:

However, a majority of self-described independents (55%) believe the same thing, almost the exact same as “moderate/liberal Republicans,” an increase of five points in that period. That sentiment also increased among Democrats, going from 34% to 38%.

Those are telling numbers, and liberals don’t like them.

Liam on February 1, 2013 at 1:42 PM

verbaluce on February 1, 2013 at 1:39 PM

If only you knew – the entire world is my oyster, self-made all the way, against incredible odds.

Schadenfreude on February 1, 2013 at 1:42 PM

I know. I enjoy them greatly.
You should give it a try.

verbaluce on February 1, 2013 at 1:39 PM

The big difference is that you promote that others pay for them, and I promote that those who are able pay themselves.

Schadenfreude on February 1, 2013 at 1:44 PM

Heh, VerbalDouche…

There is a psychological term for your condition: PROJECTION

Unfortunately there is no really effective medication to fix it.

Most of the people you call scared would make you wet yourself and run of you should you dare to confront them in person, and the ones you call harlots do not sell their bodies and souls as you do for a few pennies from ’0bama’s Stash’.

Some, sadly, do fear… For their children and grandchildren, the ones who really will pay for your current 0bamatopia.

LegendHasIt on February 1, 2013 at 1:47 PM

So I take you like the idea of being enslaved to unlimited government?

Galt2009 on February 1, 2013 at 1:30 PM

As the poll shows…you guys are the ones in ropes.

verbaluce on February 1, 2013 at 1:37 PM

What?

Could you try to make more sense?

Galt2009 on February 1, 2013 at 1:41 PM

Sure.
I was using ‘ropes’ metaphorically…as in ‘bondage’.
Suggesting, as I did in my original comment on this thread, that of course many of you are ‘fearful’ – as you are consumed with this idea of Obama as some tyrannical boogey man. And if one listens to some of the popular talk radio shows, Fox, etc. – man…who wouldn’t be scared. And who wouldn’t be buying gold (from Goldline).
And maybe even stock up on ‘survival seeds’ (from Sean Hannity and Glenn Beck). And now they want your AR-15! But you need that to protect yourself from the black helicopeter guys.
(I jest to make my point clearer…and don’t assume you’re at such a level of paranoia.)
One more…
Let’s say you won’t leave your house because you are afraid there’s a ghost outside. Of course there’s no ghost…but you re still stuck in your house.
And now no fresh air for you, damn ghost.

verbaluce on February 1, 2013 at 2:05 PM

Those are telling numbers, and liberals don’t like them.

Liam on February 1, 2013 at 1:42 PM

I was saying, even before the election, that November 6th was a crucial point where Americans are speaking out about the kind of relationship they want to have with their government. And despite the rat-eared wonder’s claim of mandate, I think on this point that the election was a toss-up. A status quo election where the electorate didn’t vote for a new relationship (in either direction).

Now, what I think we are seeing is that reality is beginning to set in. They see the constant attacks on the Constitution, the rule by executive fiat and not the law, the outright arrogance of an administration run amok and a gridlocked Congress. Why wouldn’t any American be distrustful of their government? That was indeed the spirit in which the Constitution was written! Too many years of peace and prosperity have chipped away at the distrust that we should all hold as part of our relationship with the government. In other words we should be jealous of our freedoms and condemn those that are out there claiming that the Second Amendment has anything directly to do with hunting.

Happy Nomad on February 1, 2013 at 2:09 PM

Most of the people you call scared would make you wet yourself and run of you should you dare to confront them in person, and the ones you call harlots do not sell their bodies and souls as you do for a few pennies from ’0bama’s Stash’.

Some, sadly, do fear… For their children and grandchildren, the ones who really will pay for your current 0bamatopia.

LegendHasIt on February 1, 2013 at 1:47 PM

My use of ‘Harlots’ is a shout out to my pal Schadenfreude.
And why should I be scared of the scared people again…they’re gonna make me wet my pants because they are so tough or something?
Would they be wearing scary outfits? Jump out from behind trees and shout ‘boo!’?
I don’t get it.

verbaluce on February 1, 2013 at 2:11 PM

cmsinaz on February 1, 2013 at 12:35 PM

I read an article that the dhs bought another 200,000 more rounds of ammo. The feds could be having a hand in no one being able to get ammo?
L

letget on February 1, 2013 at 12:39 PM

Maybe that’s the game they’re playing right now – have every gubmint agency buy large lots of ammo just so we can’t get it.

However, it is available if you’re patient. I ordered a bunch of .223 and 5.56 from Cabela’s a few weeks ago. Got 100 rounds last week, and another 100 last night. Some still on back order, but it is coming in a little at a time.
Better than trying to beat the crowds at the stores.

dentarthurdent on February 1, 2013 at 2:12 PM

Schadenfreude on February 1, 2013 at 1:41 PM

I do appreciate the spirit and the sentiment.
Thanks.

verbaluce on February 1, 2013 at 2:12 PM

I don’t get it.
verbaluce on February 1, 2013 at 2:11 PM

Unfortunately, there is no effective medication for that condition either.

LegendHasIt on February 1, 2013 at 2:14 PM

And who wouldn’t be buying gold (from Goldline).

verbaluce on February 1, 2013 at 2:05 PM

Lead and brass are currently much better investments.

dentarthurdent on February 1, 2013 at 2:15 PM

My use of ‘Harlots’ is a shout out to my pal Schadenfreude.

verbaluce on February 1, 2013 at 2:11 PM

You’ll never be able to do better than my “harlots on the dole”. You’ll just have to live with it.

Schadenfreude on February 1, 2013 at 2:15 PM

Thanks.

verbaluce on February 1, 2013 at 2:12 PM

You’re welcome.

Schadenfreude on February 1, 2013 at 2:19 PM

verbaluce on February 1, 2013

…eats toasted sh!t swandwiches!

KOOLAID2 on February 1, 2013 at 2:19 PM

And maybe even stock up on ‘survival seeds’ (from Sean Hannity and Glenn Beck). And now they want your AR-15! But you need that to protect yourself from the black helicopeter guys.
(I jest to make my point clearer…and don’t assume you’re at such a level of paranoia.)

verbaluce on February 1, 2013 at 2:05 PM

So that would make you an unfunny jerk.

The real problem here is your side. If one does not fall lock step behind the administration’s position then they are attacked. After Newtown, we could have had a legitimate discussion about what happened and what needs to change to keep our kids safe and help the mentally ill. I stress we COULD have had that discussion.

Instead you douchebags decided to demagogue those deaths to further a decades old agenda of getting rid of the Second Amendment. The NRA comes out with the idea that armed personnel should be placed in schools and you bastards claimed it was the craziest thing you’d ever heard. Barbara Boxer comes out with the very same idea a few days later and you hypocrites shower her with praise for her brilliance or something. Instead of wanting to discuss the issue, you just want government to swoop in and start banning stuff, taking stuff, and regulating stuff. None of which even remotely makes sense for those whose motives purely are preventing another Newtown. And, for the record, we don’t need our AR-15s to protect us from the black helicopter guys. We need them to protect ourselves from people like you. Because the dirty little secret is that the first to be effected in any societal downturn are not the self-sufficient, self-reliant, and productive. It is the worthless parasites out there with Obamaphones and EBT cards.

Happy Nomad on February 1, 2013 at 2:21 PM

Happy Nomad on February 1, 2013 at 2:09 PM

All true. There are things about which to be reasonably afraid, like a tiger instead of a fluffy kitten. Even at the local level, government goes too far. How many places issue edicts that ban flying of our own country’s flag? The excuse is always ‘for the good of the community’ or some such. Then neighbors actually get into arguments over it, when there should be no arguing at all except between those who love liberty and the handful of bigwigs who claim right to impose their will.

It’s come down to where even the strangest most nit-picking micro-managing idea a politician can come up with should be made into law–like vendors being forbidden to sell a 32oz cup of soda. But a customer can purchase all the 16oz cups he wants. Then, seeing that, the idiot politician seeks another, tighter imposition on people he doesn’t even know.

It has to end somewhere, and I refer back to the Constitution as that border. Seems we’re going to have to backtrack, because even those who fully supported Obama all this time are getting fidgety; liberals can no longer claim it’s just us Conservatives.

They, and especially those in power, must really hate that.

Liam on February 1, 2013 at 2:22 PM

Yeah. You know, most people would find another restaurant or eat at home. Which is what happened, isn’t it?

besser tot als rot on February 1, 2013 at 1:00 PM

You had 3 choices:

Vote Romney
Vote sh!tbag
Don’t vote

Not a whole lot of choices on the menu

VegasRick on February 1, 2013 at 2:22 PM

dentarthurdent on February 1, 2013 at 2:12 PM

There are reasons Obama’s picture is on every gun store’s wall. Not out of patriotism but because it is customary to hang a picture of a company’s Salesman of the Year. Fourth year running! Gun stores even run Inaguration Specials these days.

Happy Nomad on February 1, 2013 at 2:26 PM

You had 3 choices:

Vote Romney
Vote sh!tbag
Don’t vote

Not a whole lot of choices on the menu

VegasRick on February 1, 2013 at 2:22 PM

However choices 2 and 3 guaranteed that choice 2 would win the election. I have no sympathy or tolerance for the fools who made choice 3 because of that.

AZfederalist on February 1, 2013 at 2:27 PM

There are reasons Obama’s picture is on every gun store’s wall. Not out of patriotism but because it is customary to hang a picture of a company’s Salesman of the Year. Fourth year running! Gun stores even run Inaguration Specials these days.

Happy Nomad on February 1, 2013 at 2:26 PM

Yup – I’ve heard that from every gun shop I’ve been in.
I don’t know about the specials though – no store I’ve been in has any trouble selling whatever they have at almost any price.

dentarthurdent on February 1, 2013 at 2:30 PM

However choices 2 and 3 guaranteed that choice 2 would win the election. I have no sympathy or tolerance for the fools who made choice 3 because of that.

AZfederalist on February 1, 2013 at 2:27 PM

Exactly! That was my point and was called all kinds of foul names because of it. Oh well, those folks don’t affect me at all.

VegasRick on February 1, 2013 at 2:33 PM

Yet they re-elected Obama and returned something like 90% of Congressional incumbents.

bw222 on February 1, 2013 at 2:36 PM

Seems we’re going to have to backtrack, because even those who fully supported Obama all this time are getting fidgety; liberals can no longer claim it’s just us Conservatives.

They, and especially those in power, must really hate that.

Liam on February 1, 2013 at 2:22 PM

Two important points.

First, conservatives have been their own worst enemy on some of this stuff. The Virginia ultrasound bill, for example, was done for all the right reasons but really would have been an abuse of governmental power.

Secondly, I think that the left is getting fidgety right now is because suddenly the government is coming after the freedoms they hold most dear. Not every person sitting in a pew on Sundays or in a duck blind/deer stand is a conservative. So, now we see a government seeking to subjugate religion to the state and they want to limit the right to “keep and bear arms” with the stated goal is they’re coming out after all guns.

Happy Nomad on February 1, 2013 at 2:46 PM

I don’t know about the specials though – no store I’ve been in has any trouble selling whatever they have at almost any price.

dentarthurdent on February 1, 2013 at 2:30 PM

True, I suspect that an “inauguration special” really isn’t much more than a reminder that we’ve got a sociopath leading the nation and he has decided that he wants your firearms even if it takes signing an executive order to get them.

Happy Nomad on February 1, 2013 at 2:49 PM

verbaluce, freedom/independence are not easy but they are incredible to live by. There is nothing more noble.

Schadenfreude on February 1, 2013 at 1:30 PM

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I know. I enjoy them greatly.
You should give it a try.

verbaluce on February 1, 2013 at 1:39 PM

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When two sides have conflicting definitions of “freedom and independence”, any resolution claiming “we both believe in freedom and independence” is null and void.

listens2glenn on February 1, 2013 at 2:53 PM

True, I suspect that an “inauguration special” really isn’t much more than a reminder that we’ve got a sociopath leading the nation and he has decided that he wants your firearms even if it takes signing an executive order to get them.

Happy Nomad on February 1, 2013 at 2:49 PM

Ya – and thinking about it more, perhaps moving some of the guns that aren’t selling quite as fast.
My local Sportsman’s Warehouse and other stores have lots of hunting rifles and a fair amount of long-barrel hunting shotguns still on the shelves. ARs disappear in minutes when they get them, and very few pistols stay on the shelves for more than a day or 2.

dentarthurdent on February 1, 2013 at 2:56 PM

Galt2009 on February 1, 2013 at 1:30 PM

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As the poll shows…you guys are the ones in ropes.
Of course they are flimsy…and you could untie them…if you wanted too.

verbaluce on February 1, 2013 at 1:37 PM

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You have got to expound on that.

listens2glenn on February 1, 2013 at 3:03 PM

verbaluce, freedom/independence are not easy but they are incredible to live by. There is nothing more noble.
 
Schadenfreude on February 1, 2013 at 1:30 PM

 
I know. I enjoy them greatly.
You should give it a try.
 
verbaluce on February 1, 2013 at 1:39 PM

 
So what’s stopping you, Schadenfreude? Oh, yeah:
 

I’m not against you owning a gun.
I support reasonable restrictions and guidelines.
 
verbaluce on January 8, 2013 at 11:42 AM

 
So go on, man.
 
Give it a try.

rogerb on February 1, 2013 at 3:05 PM

You’ll never be able to do better than my “harlots on the dole”. You’ll just have to live with it.

Schadenfreude on February 1, 2013 at 2:15 PM

No argument there.
I reference it as tribute.

verbaluce on February 1, 2013 at 3:18 PM

Give it a try.

rogerb on February 1, 2013 at 3:05 PM

:)

I reference it as tribute.

verbaluce on February 1, 2013 at 3:18 PM

Not even this convinced me. I’m just a tough case. I’d rather have a challenging and free life.

Schadenfreude on February 1, 2013 at 3:23 PM

tommy71 on February 1, 2013 at 12:19 PM

The key is to back the 10th Amendment. Message freedom by saying all these cultural issues the media and dems and Verb like to use to change the subject from what is really going on. On abortion – that is an issue for the states, congress has no business in it to the extent it goes beyond the constitutionally unsound decision in Roe v Wade – a hug usurption of legitimate state power by the federal government citing a right which cannot be found anywhere.

Gay marriage – it is a state issue, we don’t give out marriage licenses.

Etc. Message freedom.

Vegas did say some of the people here – not all. His observation is correct as the voting data is showing after the fact. Obama got a lot fewer votes than in 2008 but Romney got less than McCain. Would it have been enough to get Romney over the top? Maybe. But if you didn’t vote for Romney because he was the same guy – he wasn’t this.

Verb – I think you miss the point. If over one third of democrats are feeling the govt is overstepping its bounds and a majority of everyone else believes that – it would appear that YOU are the one living in fantasy land. This is unprecedented. As the pro-lifers got turned side ways by a stupid Akin remark and a deliberately mis-interpreted one by the media by Mourdock, the population doesn’t like the messages they are getting from any politician. And since the dems won and figure they can do what they want – their turn to get smacked. 2014 will be another bloodbath aka 2010. They will lose House and Senate seats. The implementation on Obamacare is just a disaster – and just in time for everyone to get pissed off again.

A bigger question Verb is the coming realization that most every politician is a parasite – and it is killing its host. Not just in the US but pretty much everywhere. This is a worldwide phenomena. I have no idea how it would manifest itself in the US – if shooting actually started my guess is that DC would lose it because in reality the military disagrees with the democrat party by a pretty wide margin – and the democrat party stands for DC. The town of Lords. I am concerned if it continues on this path. Oh – and Verb – if it gets to that, or the money just runs out, as it will in Medicare in I believe 4 or 5 years – your entire political construct is gone, poof, up in smoke. It isn’t sustainable, never has been.

The fact that we are beginning to see the intial understandings of this through a rather surprising poll result just shows we may be further down the scale than any of us know.

Zomcon JEM on February 1, 2013 at 4:57 PM

Second, I’d agree with you that Romney’s messaging was wrong.

Happy Nomad on February 1, 2013 at 1:17 PM

And this is why RINOs don’t get it. It wasn’t Romney’s messaging that was wrong, but Romney himself! Look, I liked Romney, I voted for him, but I had to hold my nose because I felt I couldn’t trust him. How can you have a Presidential candidate, that implemented individual mandate at a state level and called it a good thing (even though its a huge drain on the state), promising to overturn individual mandate on the federal level, and someone in his campaign promising that it won’t be a complete overturn… some good things will stay.

DUDE, LISTEN TO WHAT HE WAS SAYING.

I had a friend who stayed home, and refused to vote for either… because he didn’t believe Romney… because of his background, and because of the other statements coming out from his campaign.

Face it… he failed because HE WAS THE WRONG CANDIDATE TO START WITH. Yes, he would have been better than Obama… but that is NOT that compelling of a sales strategy, especially when he just wanted to play nice and tweak the dials.

If you want to get those people to vote, select someone in the primary that you know they will vote for in the general. Now is not the time for business as usual. You were warned about that and you went off and did it anyways. And now, I hear you whining like a liberal and trying to blame the consequences on others. MAN UP AND LEARN FROM THE EXPERIENCE.

You can’t nominate a liberal RINO and expect strict conservatives to vote for them. Geesh… are you really this tone deaf?

dominigan on February 1, 2013 at 5:04 PM

I’m not against you owning a gun.
I support reasonable restrictions and guidelines.

verbaluce on January 8, 2013 at 11:42 AM

Do you own a gun? Do you regularly go shooting with a gun? Have you taken any training classes with a gun? If not, then how the heck do you think you’re even qualified to offer a useful suggestion without knowing anything about the topic? Until you do those things, those of us who do have firearms simply can’t take you seriously. I’m not trying to shut you down. I’m just trying to offer a suggestion so that you can inform yourself so that you CAN offer useful suggestions. But too often, liberals run their mouths off on topics they know nothing about. Please, if you don’t have or use a gun… try it so that you can participate in a useful, informed discussion. I for one would welcome that!

dominigan on February 1, 2013 at 5:10 PM

Nothing we’re going to do is going to fundamentally alter or eliminate the possibility of another mass shooting or guarantee that we will bring gun deaths down to a thousand a year from what we’re at now,” Biden said, according to a Politico report.

Pro Forma — prep. Latin for “as a matter of form,” the phrase refers to court rulings merely intended to facilitate the process

J_Crater on February 1, 2013 at 5:23 PM

Remember – as late as 1773 the notion of a revolution in the colonies was pretty far-fetched. It wasn’t just two years later. It can turn pretty quick. I am wondering how close to a tip point we really are. How about when over 50% of the youth (25 and under)can’t find a job, like in Spain today. It is about the same in Greece and growing in France. Italy has the same problem, just not as far up the slope.

The youth unemployment is rising – and right after they all took out school loans that bankruptcy cannot forgive.

Heh – progressives. I believe we need a new term for them – parasites. For that is what they are as well as all those who argue for their positions.

Zomcon JEM on February 1, 2013 at 5:31 PM

I know. I enjoy them greatly.
You should give it a try.

verbaluce on February 1, 2013 at 1:39 PM

The single-mother generation Exhibit A.

Freedom to this child is being able to by a new iPhone every 8 months because they can pass the burden of adult responsibility onto taxpayers.

ClassicCon on February 1, 2013 at 5:45 PM

May all who brung, then kept, Obama, from all sides, no matter your actions/inactions, be utterly destroyed. The fight was in the primaries. Mitt fought better to destroy his R competitors than the leftist rat.

2014 will be a disaster for the Rs and the land and 2016 too.
Schadenfreude on February 1, 2013 at 1:04 PM

Correct, but not just because Mitt fought harder. Mitt was fighting the same ones whom the DEMs, the MSM, and the Libertarians also feared most. Ron Paul was a big factor by staying in the race to beat up SocCons, but used kid gloves on Mitt

Not to mention they top loaded the GOP field with a few straw men to split the doubters

The net result was huge negatives for Mitt, within his own base, and also with swings

The game played into the hands of the DEMs

It took Ryan to fix some of it, but he never gained the trust of the fence sitters, precisely because the fight looked so heavy handed

And of course, Christies performed the coup de gras

Goes to show, you can buy an election, but not necessarily buy the voters

From what I see, the Club is trying to schedule the same game for the next election. Christie is being worked by the DEMs, the MSM and still being soft handled by the Club. It is being played completely wrong, right down to the use of Rubio. What a shame

If you need a litmus test, imagine if Palin had butt kissed Obama and the DEMs, instead of Christie. How would the Club have reacted?

entagor on February 1, 2013 at 6:15 PM

PALIN 2016!

Pork-Chop on February 1, 2013 at 6:37 PM

I don’t get it.

verbaluce on February 1, 2013 at 2:11 PM

Just once, you made sense.

Difficultas_Est_Imperium on February 1, 2013 at 7:30 PM

Waiter: “Your choice today is a sh!t sandwich or a BLT”

You: “I don’t like bacon”

Waiter: “Would you like some fries with your sh!t sandwich?”

VegasRick on February 1, 2013 at 12:46 PM

I would rather go hungry, put the sandwich in a paper bag, set it on fire and walk out of the restaurant without paying.

Let. It. Burn.

Myron Falwell on February 1, 2013 at 7:36 PM

You had 3 choices:

Vote Romney
Vote sh!tbag
Don’t vote

Not a whole lot of choices on the menu

VegasRick on February 1, 2013 at 2:22 PM

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However choices 2 and 3 guaranteed that choice 2 would win the election. I have no sympathy or tolerance for the fools who made choice 3 because of that.

AZfederalist on February 1, 2013 at 2:27 PM

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Dittos, what AZfed’ said.

I predict that ALL of you who didn’t vote for a POTUS candidate this last time because “there’s no difference between them”, will eventually learn just how badly you (expletive) yourselves, and the REST of us.
That’s not saying “I hope you will” … That’s saying “you will “.

listens2glenn on February 1, 2013 at 7:48 PM

I predict that ALL of you who didn’t vote for a POTUS candidate this last time because “there’s no difference between them”, will eventually learn just how badly you (expletive) yourselves, and the REST of us.
That’s not saying “I hope you will” … That’s saying “you will “.

listens2glenn on February 1, 2013 at 7:48 PM

Telling people that there is in fact a difference between them would be a lot more convincing if the GOP wasn’t currently pushing amnesty, or if at some point the GOP had in fact cut anything at all.

The Republican control spending and they have consistently REFUSED to cut spending, or block Democratic overreach.

http://www.redstate.com/erick/2012/06/11/house-republicans-just-cant-bring-themselves-to-cut-spending/

Amendments to H.R. 5325, the Energy and Water Appropriations Act, which contains more spending than last year’s bill:

McClintock (R-CA) – Cuts the Energy Efficiency and Renewable Energy program by $1.45 billion. Rejected 113-275.
Chaffetz (R-UT) – Cuts the Advanced Manufacturing Program by $74 million, to FY 2011 levels. Rejected 140-245.
McClintock (R-CA) – Eliminates nuclear energy research subsidies (saves $514 million). Rejected 106-281.
Chabot (R-OH) – Eliminates funding for the regional commissions, such as the Appalachian Regional Commission (saves $99.3 million). Rejected 141-276.
Blackburn (R-TN) – Cuts 1% across the board (would cut $321 million). Rejected 157-261.
Mulvaney (R-SC) – Brings the bill toward RSC budget levels by cutting a total of $3.1 billion across almost all accounts. Rejected 125-293.
King (R-IA) – Prohibits funding of Davis-Bacon union wage requirements. Rejected 184-235.
Flake (R-AZ) – Across the board spending cut that would keep funding at FY 2012 levels ($87.5 million savings). Rejected 144-274.

The GOP controls the house.

And then the GOP runs a liberal like Romney. The ‘messaging‘ you guys like to talk about is damn obvious.
They aren’t going to fight, because they don’t want to.

There was nothing to support in Romney because he essentially stood for nothing.

sharrukin on February 1, 2013 at 9:17 PM

There was nothing to support in Romney because he essentially stood for nothing.

sharrukin on February 1, 2013 at 9:17 PM

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There ain’t no way you’re going to get me to agree that “he essentially stood for nothing.”
You’re also not going to get me to agree that “there’s no difference between them”, or that the U.S. would be no better off with Romney rather than Obama.
Romney was not my “primary” choice. I would have preferred Rick “the sweater vest”, or Michelle. A majority of Republican voters thought otherwise (not to mention Democrat “cross-overs”).

You can get me to agree that he wasn’t the best choice as the Republican nominee, and that his general campaign was terrible. That’s all.

listens2glenn on February 1, 2013 at 10:42 PM

There ain’t no way you’re going to get me to agree that “he essentially stood for nothing.”

listens2glenn on February 1, 2013 at 10:42 PM

So what did he stand for?

Was he going to keep Obamacare, or get rid of it?

Was he for entitlement promising to restore and protect them, or was he against them?

sharrukin on February 1, 2013 at 10:50 PM

When GOVERNMENT says you dont ” NEED ” something, people immediately ask why not.

TX-96 on February 2, 2013 at 6:03 AM

Spreadin’ the fear…and livin’ in fear.
verbaluce on February 1, 2013 at 1:04 PM

That’s that same thing they said to German Jews back in 1936

tommyboy on February 2, 2013 at 7:20 AM

Where was this so called ‘majority’ on Nov. 6th, 2012 ???

BillyPenn on February 2, 2013 at 7:23 AM

Where was this so called ‘majority’ on Nov. 6th, 2012 ???

BillyPenn on February 2, 2013 at 7:23 AM

At home refusing to vote for the two big government parties.

sharrukin on February 2, 2013 at 7:27 AM

While polls show broad support for expanding background checks…

Yeah… all the libs need is an inch. Give them an inch of legislation and they will strip you of everything.

“Nobody is going to take your guns. We just want to expand background checks, silly”

Yeah… expand the background check time to 10 years and expand the cost to a $1000. and expand the criteria to include an analysis from your local government trained pre-crime psychiatrist. Some of the questions he/she will be asking you “Are you pro-life? Have you ever been a member of the TEA party? Do you get agitated standing in long lines? Have you ever used the words “legitimate rape” or supported the political party of any candidate who has?”

JellyToast on February 2, 2013 at 9:36 AM

There ain’t no way you’re going to get me to agree that “he essentially stood for nothing.”

listens2glenn on February 1, 2013 at 10:42 PM

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So what did he stand for?

Was he going to keep Obamacare, or get rid of it?

Was he for entitlement promising to restore and protect them, or was he against them?

sharrukin on February 1, 2013 at 10:50 PM

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I’m totally convinced he would have gone for an abolition of Obamacare, reduction in taxes, and MUCH better SCOTUS replacements.

The SCOTUS replacements alone would have made Romney “worth it”.

Also, he’s opposed to abortion.

listens2glenn on February 2, 2013 at 11:25 AM

Where was this so called ‘majority’ on Nov. 6th, 2012 ???

BillyPenn on February 2, 2013 at 7:23 AM

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At home refusing to vote for the two big government parties.

sharrukin on February 2, 2013 at 7:27 AM

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Some of the “majority” saw NO difference between Obama and Romney.

Some of the “majority” saw Mitt Romney as a SIGNIFICANTLY lesser evil.

I totally stand by my 7:48 PM statement:

I predict that ALL of you who didn’t vote for a POTUS candidate this last time because “there’s no difference between them”, will eventually learn just how badly you (expletive) yourselves, and the REST of us.
That’s not saying “I hope you will” … That’s saying “you will “.

listens2glenn on February 1, 2013 at 7:48 PM

listens2glenn on February 2, 2013 at 11:35 AM

listens2glenn on February 1, 2013 at 7:48 PM

Give it a rest. Romney sucked donkey balls. I’m surprised he got as many votes as he did, especially after hiring endless surrogates who endlessly trashed conservatives beyond any point of political usefulness or reasoning then dumping tens of millions of dollars of negative ads on their heads whose vicious tone and substance he couldn’t come close to matching against Obama.

Really — is it any surprise he couldn’t deliver the goods on election day?

rrpjr on February 2, 2013 at 12:58 PM

Schadenfreude on February 1, 2013 at 1:04 PM

Amen to that…

RedInMD on February 2, 2013 at 3:11 PM

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