Chuck Schumer: I refuse to let border security become a barrier to citizenship for illegals

posted at 6:51 pm on January 31, 2013 by Allahpundit

Skip to 10:15 for the key bit. Is this endgame already for Rubio? He’s sworn up and down that unless Democrats agree to make border security the trigger for a path to citizenship — i.e. measurable security improvements first, before any path is created — he’ll walk away. Now here’s Schumer sounding an awful lot like he’s saying we can’t make border security the trigger for a path to citizenship. Quote:

“We want the border to be secure. It’s more secure than it was several years ago, but it has a ways to go. And different sectors need different types of security. It’s a lot different having security in the Tucson sector than off the stretch in Texas, which is bounded by the Rio Grande,” Schumer said on Thursday.

“But we’re not using border security as an excuse or block to the path of citizenship. We just want to make sure — and this is very important both substantively and politically — that there is a secure border, and we’re going to work for that. But it’s not — and Dick [Durbin] and I and Bob [Menendez], as well as our three Republican friends, want to make sure the border’s secure but not to use it as a barrier to prevent the 11 million from eventually gaining a path to citizenship.”

Time for Rubio to cut the cord, says Mark Krikorian. He’s right that the GOP’s going to get rolled if this scheme passes, but I’m not sure Schumer’s categorically ruling out using border security as a trigger here. What he’s saying, it seems to me, is that he won’t let border hawks use the trigger as a pretext to forever delay the citizenship process. That’s why Durbin rushes to the mic right after him and emphasizes that they want some sort of objective metric of security in the bill so that, if it’s met, the border can be declared officially “secure” and they can move on the citizenship phase. Without that, if “security” is based on a subjective assessment, conservatives in the Senate will supposedly go on claiming unto eternity that we’re not quite there yet. I could be wrong in reading him that way, but look: Schumer surely knows Rubio’s position. He also knows how important Rubio is in getting conservatives to buy into comprehensive reform. Why knife him in the back now, just three days removed from the press conference announcing the bipartisan plan, when they won’t even have a draft bill ready for another month? I have no doubt that Schumer does oppose using border security as a trigger, but I bet he’d be willing to concede on that if he can negotiate a security “metric” that’s forgiving enough to ensure that the trigger is indeed triggered. What he really wants is instant probationary legal status for illegals, and Rubio’s already agreed to that in theory. If that stays in the final bill and the bar for border security can be negotiated nice and low, why wouldn’t Schumer agree to letting it be a trigger?

Like I say, watch Durbin too. He refers specifically to making the path to citizenship “contingent” upon stronger border security. It’s just that that security has to be measurable so that it’s a real trigger, not something vague that border hawks can finesse to delay legalization.

Update: Conn Carroll says it’s too early for Rubio to walk away but that he expects he’ll be gone within 24 hours once the draft bill is published. I think it’ll be sooner than that; Rubio won’t wait for the draft bill to appear before cutting the cord if he knows there’s stuff in it that’ll make conservatives choke. But Schumer’s little performance here likely affects the odds. If this week started with, say, a 40 percent of Rubio quitting the group, let’s bump that up to an even 50 this evening.


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Aaaand the illegals get Obamacare.

workingclass artist on January 31, 2013 at 6:53 PM

Democrats want more clients dependent on govt voting for them. That’s a lot more important than national security.

gsherin on January 31, 2013 at 6:54 PM

So what do you say, Marco, Juan, Miss Lindsey and Jeff Flake?

bw222 on January 31, 2013 at 6:56 PM

Hey bub, now is the time for charges of abandoning your oath to defend the United States. How many years are you going to claim responsibility for what you are taking ownership of?

DanMan on January 31, 2013 at 6:56 PM

Stop making sense, Allah. You are getting in the way of another bash-Rubio party.

rockmom on January 31, 2013 at 6:57 PM

No kidding, the border thing was just a head fake that the liberals didnt take seriously, and I can’t believe the writers at HA have.

Once these people are LEGALIZED and are put into limbo (which would happen immediately), moves will be made to IMMEDIATELY grant them citizenship and not treat them as “second class citizens” etc etc. The illegals themselves won’t care a ton about citizenship, but the dems will and they will push the issue.

Once we acknowledge that yes, these “11 million” (it will be way more) have a right to stay here, the games over. It’s only a matter of time that they are all voting & welfare collecting citizens, and nothing like a “committee to determine border security” is going to stop that from happening.

Timin203 on January 31, 2013 at 6:58 PM

Stop making sense, Allah. You are getting in the way of another bash-Rubio party.

rockmom on January 31, 2013 at 6:57 PM

Because the 1986 amnesty worked so well, rockmom?

bw222 on January 31, 2013 at 6:59 PM

Man I need some Excedrin.

gophergirl on January 31, 2013 at 6:59 PM

Schumer has never held a real job. He’s the Poster Boy for term limits.

Jim - PRS on January 31, 2013 at 7:01 PM

…WHY IS HE IN THE US SENATE?

KOOLAID2 on January 31, 2013 at 7:01 PM

Shouldn’t really surprise anybody. Since when does Schumer or any other Democrat ever compromise? They say they want the border secured, but when it comes right down to it, they really don’t. Not even in exchange for amnesty. In the end, they’ll just use this to demagogue the issue even further.

supernova on January 31, 2013 at 7:01 PM

Stop making sense, Allah. You are getting in the way of another bash-Rubio party.

rockmom on January 31, 2013 at 6:57 PM

Fine, lets accept that Rubio has nothing but the best intentions. This whole immigration deal has been a bad idea from the start, and the end result is very clear: tens of millions of additional democrat voters, a border that is probably no more secure then it is today (and I have NO DOUBT the government could secure the border if they wanted to), and the flouting of the rule of law.

We’re saying that illegally crossing a border, stealing / forging an ID, driving around with no license or insurance, not paying taxes for 10+ years, etc etc at a minimum is okay for this group of people. But let someone who is already not a US citizen decide to not pay taxes for 10 years and see what happens.

Hardly equality under the law.

Timin203 on January 31, 2013 at 7:02 PM

…SchumerSucksShit!

KOOLAID2 on January 31, 2013 at 7:02 PM

Stop making sense, Allah. You are getting in the way of another bash-Rubio party.

rockmom on January 31, 2013 at 6:57 PM

I agree rockmom…. Something has to be done. Try living in Ca. like me where illegals are already getting all services free. At least try something to get them to come out of the shadows and start paying something. I also say no DEAL of any kind unless the border situation is included and I mean not just advisory…

sandee on January 31, 2013 at 7:02 PM

Doesn’t matter what ‘metric’ they agree on or put in place. Regardless they’ll say they met it,metric or not. They’ll trot out some charts which the media will gladly publish for them.

The security talk is all kabuki.

catmman on January 31, 2013 at 7:03 PM

Obama and the Democrats want to crash the country. There’s no other explanation. They want the USA to get their comeuppance. They just figure they’ll remain in power and not have to deal with the ‘fruits of their labors.’ A separate Politburo that won’t be affected by the crushing debt and hyperinflation when our economy completely collapses.

njrob on January 31, 2013 at 7:04 PM

Refuse all you want, Chuckster. You make the mistake of thinking we care.

petefrt on January 31, 2013 at 7:05 PM

Bring on the 2AR.

Jeddite on January 31, 2013 at 7:06 PM

I agree rockmom…. Something has to be done. Try living in Ca. like me where illegals are already getting all services free. At least try something to get them to come out of the shadows and start paying something. I also say no DEAL of any kind unless the border situation is included and I mean not just advisory…

sandee on January 31, 2013 at 7:02 PM

What are they going to pay for? California is broke in large part because of these criminals. They don’t have high paying, high skilled jobs that will equate to tax revenue. They will be a further net loss on society as more sign up for government services. Are you willfully ignoring that?

njrob on January 31, 2013 at 7:07 PM

Meanwhile the economy crashes. Government spending guys? Come on!

Bmore on January 31, 2013 at 7:08 PM

I don’t think the Dems are really betting on amnesty getting them more dem voters — they are just locked psychologically into the task of pushing for the big things their activist alliance wants. The big thing that the racist Mexican part of their alliance wants is to normalize all of the Mexicans that have snuck across the boarder. Pushing amnesty every few years in perpetuity is just box checking.

Count to 10 on January 31, 2013 at 7:08 PM

A country that does not know who crosses its borders is doomed..

d1carter on January 31, 2013 at 7:08 PM

Get it together Government!!!

Bmore on January 31, 2013 at 7:09 PM

At least try something to get them to come out of the shadows and start paying something. I also say no DEAL of any kind unless the border situation is included and I mean not just advisory…

sandee on January 31, 2013 at 7:02 PM

What makes you think they’re going to “pay something” when they come out of the shadows?

In other words, they already pay sales tax, property tax (indirectly through rent), and a million other taxes (cigarettes, gas, sin taxes, etc). What we’re talking about here are FICA taxes & income tax.

Now clearly, if we made them pay FICA taxes, they would feel entitled to social security benefits. So there will be a huge additional expense.

For income taxes, what makes you think they will be in the 53%? I know a lot of people who get more back on tax day then they paid in in income taxes over the year.

So again… what makes you think they will be paying something, and not just being more of a liability.

Timin203 on January 31, 2013 at 7:09 PM

Illegals in CA get everything free because of the progressive twits who’ve run the state for decades.

And stop trying to make us think they “live in the shadows”, Jeebus…

They aren’t in the shadows, haven’t been for years, especially in CA.

catmman on January 31, 2013 at 7:09 PM

No kidding, the border thing was just a head fake that the liberals didnt take seriously, and I can’t believe the writers at HA have.
Once these people are LEGALIZED and are put into limbo (which would happen immediately), moves will be made to IMMEDIATELY grant them citizenship and not treat them as “second class citizens” etc etc.
Timin203 on January 31, 2013 at 6:58 PM

Not saying you’re wrong, but if it’s impossible to tie real border security benchmarks to legal status, why would Schumer throw down the gauntlet and risk blowing up the deal? Unless you think they’d rather not pass any immigration reform to keep it as a campaign issue, but that seems to indicate a bill with teeth is achievable and they just don’t want any part of it.

crrr6 on January 31, 2013 at 7:10 PM

SOMEONE ask Schumer about his pal Senator Bob “Baby Girl” Menendez.

In a little-noticed email published online Wednesday by Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington (CREW), a young Dominican woman wrote nine months ago that she slept with 59-year-old New Jersey Democratic Sen. Bob Menendez at a series of sex parties organized by Dr. Salomon Melgen, a longtime Menendez campaign donor.

“That Senator also likes the youngest and newest girls,” the woman wrote on April 21, 2002, according to an English translation provided to The Daily Caller by a native Spanish speaker.

“In the beginning he seemed so serious, because he never spoke to anyone, but he is just like the others and has just about the same tastes as the doctor, very refined. I think they were taking us more often to get us checked [medically] because of him.”

TheDC is not disclosing the woman’s name because she may have been a minor when her alleged sexual encounters with Menendez occurred. Four different Spanish speakers who reviewed TheDC’s translation of her letter all said her Spanish writing indicated someone who was very young and unsophisticated.

CREW chose to publish her name, despite her concerns for her safety.

Her account of the sex parties Menendez allegedly attended in the Dominican Republic is the most detailed to surface since TheDC first began reporting on the story in November.

PappyD61 on January 31, 2013 at 7:10 PM

“… — that there is a secure border, and we’re going to work for that.”

No you’re not…

… That stink doesn’t wash off easily Marco, does it?

Seven Percent Solution on January 31, 2013 at 7:11 PM

What are they going to pay for? California is broke in large part because of these criminals. They don’t have high paying, high skilled jobs that will equate to tax revenue. They will be a further net loss on society as more sign up for government services. Are you willfully ignoring that?

njrob on January 31, 2013 at 7:07 PM

They are already on the dole here. I don’t want amnesty either. There needs to be an accounting of those who apply. Now they just get stuff free, work under the table for wages and send most of it back to mexico. At least they could catch them for taxes, Fake ID’s and make them get insurance for their cars.

sandee on January 31, 2013 at 7:11 PM

“If every undocumented immigrant had cast a vote for President Obama in 2012, he would have won Arizona, Georgia, North Carolina and Texas, and he would have beaten Mitt Romney by nearly 11 percentage points nationally, instead of three.”

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/OTUS/undocumented-immigrants-voted-2012/story?id=18357147

Jon0815 on January 31, 2013 at 7:11 PM

The reason we have the problem we do with illegals is they keep getting amnesty.

catmman on January 31, 2013 at 7:11 PM

Wake up and smell the coffee rubio… you’ve been punked

cmsinaz on January 31, 2013 at 7:12 PM

Decouple border security from immigration reform. We shouldn’t even be talking about green cards until our border is secure and visa system so corrupt.

Ukiah on January 31, 2013 at 7:13 PM

Schmuck Chumer:

“I refuse to let the existence of a border to become a barrier for 60 million new Democrat voters and participants in receiving the largesse of the few remaining American Taxpayers”

LegendHasIt on January 31, 2013 at 7:13 PM

So I guess Chuckie doesn’t care who’s crossing that border? I guess it’s going to take another 9/11 via the Mexican border to wake up these guys.

JPeterman on January 31, 2013 at 7:13 PM

Not saying you’re wrong, but if it’s impossible to tie real border security benchmarks to legal status, why would Schumer throw down the gauntlet and risk blowing up the deal? Unless you think they’d rather not pass any immigration reform to keep it as a campaign issue, but that seems to indicate a bill with teeth is achievable and they just don’t want any part of it.

crrr6 on January 31, 2013 at 7:10 PM

I don’t know, I think Schumer is cocky and an idiot. In his mind, he’s not revealing any big secret here, it was obvious from the beginning.

They might torpedo this bill if they think the campaign issue will win them the house in 2014. If this vote passed without republicans involved, the dems can use it as a campaign issue and ‘historical moment’ forever like when the republicans (even though it was democrats) filibustered the civil rights act.

In the end though, their plan is clear.

Timin203 on January 31, 2013 at 7:14 PM

Decouple border security from immigration reform. We shouldn’t even be talking about green cards until our border is secure and visa system so corrupt.

Ukiah on January 31, 2013 at 7:13 PM

Agreed…

sandee on January 31, 2013 at 7:14 PM

Metrics? Is that kind of like the monthly unemployment number?

Yah, thought so. Schumer….no soup for you!

can_con on January 31, 2013 at 7:15 PM

The Dem’s are playing it as you would expect them to. If they don’t get everything they want, they will simply blame those nasty obstructionist Republicans and use the failure to pass anything to club then over the head during the next election cycle.

They are very good at this game.

Alferd Packer on January 31, 2013 at 7:16 PM

“If every undocumented immigrant had cast a vote for President Obama in 2012, he would have won ………
Jon0815 on January 31, 2013 at 7:11 PM

Well, fortunately only a couple million of ‘em actually did so.

LegendHasIt on January 31, 2013 at 7:16 PM

“But we’re not using border security as an excuse or block to the path of citizenship.

Fine. Then let’s pass a separate border security bill. Then there’ll be no connection. How ’bout that?

Dongemaharu on January 31, 2013 at 7:16 PM

Not saying you’re wrong, but if it’s impossible to tie real border security benchmarks to legal status, why would Schumer throw down the gauntlet and risk blowing up the deal?

crrr6 on January 31, 2013 at 7:10 PM

Perhaps they are so used to pushing around the GOP that they don’t expect any pushback?

Or they know the GOP is desperate for a deal for their own reasons and want to cause damage as the Republicans proceed.

sharrukin on January 31, 2013 at 7:16 PM

This was always the intent. However Obama signaled that he would not make security a part of the law (to be stripped in conference). Rather they have a lose-lose for the GOP. Hispanics will never vote for freedom. They have voted for government, petty dictators and frauds for centuries and surely have no intention, as a corporate body, of doing otherwise. Hispanics are not conservative. They are not church-going, they are not anti-abortion. All a myth. Their crime rate as a whole is horrendous.

pat on January 31, 2013 at 7:16 PM

“But we’re not using border security as an excuse or block to the path of citizenship. We just want to make sure — and this is very important both substantively and politically — that there is a secure border, and we’re going to work for that. But it’s not — and Dick [Durbin] and I and Bob [Menendez], as well as our three Republican friends, want to make sure the border’s secure but not to use it as a barrier to prevent the 11 million from eventually gaining a path to citizenship.”

AP, — rewind. The old way of doing things, before Obama’s health care law, was to lick a finger, hold it up, and see which way the public was blowing. Remember McCain having his come to Jesus moment? He made rounds for awhile and repeated again and again that it was clear the American public wanted the border secured first, and any legislation would have to do that.

Now fast forward to present day, past Obama’s health care law. The Democrats are no more interested in broad public opinion than they are in going to Heaven. The TP caucus of the GOP is still talking about border enforcement out of actual political philosophy, and some of the rest of the GOP hasn’t lost the habit they acquired way back when — but the Democrats never cared to begin with. They would happily pass an amnesty bill, just an amnesty bill, and be done. For them, that’s all there is to do here, the only problem to solve.

I think your guesses about where Schumer’s coming from are too complimentary. He might be saying what you think, but if he is, it’s because he’ll suffer fools gladly only so long as he gets what he wants. He’s putting up with the border nonsense — not just special legal triggers within the legislation, but all of it taken together — but not if it gets in the way.

The different effect is here:

Why knife him in the back now, just three days removed from the press conference announcing the bipartisan plan, when they won’t even have a draft bill ready for another month?

– The answer is that he’ll gladly knife him in the front out of the same hubris they’ve been exhibiting for awhile now.

Axe on January 31, 2013 at 7:16 PM

We don’t need no stinkin’ borders! …Really we don’t need F Chuck!

tim c on January 31, 2013 at 7:16 PM

And what makes anyone think these illegal immigrants will want to be taxed? They’ve been getting away with working under the table and not having to pay taxes, why would they volunteer to start paying?

And employers will always be willing to pay them, because it costs them less and is quicker, easier, and cheaper to run a business with cash.

Timin203 on January 31, 2013 at 7:18 PM

I don’t know, I think Schumer is cocky and an idiot. In his mind, he’s not revealing any big secret here, it was obvious from the beginning.

They might torpedo this bill if they think the campaign issue will win them the house in 2014. If this vote passed without republicans involved, the dems can use it as a campaign issue and ‘historical moment’ forever like when the republicans (even though it was democrats) filibustered the civil rights act.

In the end though, their plan is clear.

Timin203 on January 31, 2013 at 7:14 PM

That.

Axe on January 31, 2013 at 7:18 PM

Border is security not the issue. No matter what we implement in the area of border security, we will not be able to staunch the flow.

We need to cut off the attraction of the US to illegal aliens. That means making them ineligible for welfare and unable to work. That’s Draconian, but we have immigration laws and there is no reason why they should not be required to adhere to them. There are American citizens who are experiencing Draconian discomforts so the illegals can be accommodated “compassionately!” They must be convinced of their own volition that it is not profitable or healthy to come here illegally. Nothing else will change the situation.

As long as we allow them to come here and use welfare system and work, they will come through any border security that we implement. The only way to staunch the flow is to make it undesirable to come here as an illegal. As it is they get better benefits than native born Americans. Why shouldn’t they come?

Of course the left does not want to fix the problem. They only want to appear to be compassionate and to fix it. They want it as a continuing sore on the nation so that they can fix it again and again!

Pokeyarw on January 31, 2013 at 7:21 PM

I’m starting to think Rubio isn’t necessarily good at this.

Dongemaharu on January 31, 2013 at 7:21 PM

Timin203 on January 31, 2013 at 7:14 PM

Schumer is a cocky idiot, yes, but is the argument that border security for amnesty that unreasonable? That seems like an issue where we would have a lot of leverage.

I think the donks have backed themselves into a lose-lose situation: mandatory border security for legal status and lose the immigration for the foreseeable future or argue that your opponents are unreasonable because they demanded border security for amnesty, which you refused.

crrr6 on January 31, 2013 at 7:23 PM

OOPS!

********Border Law Enforcement Sabotagey**********

Senator Sessions: Obama’s Immigration Plan Undermines Law Enforcement
29 Jan 2013, 9:40 PM PDT
************************

Speaking to Mark Levin, Senator Sessions said:

that Obama’s current plan doesn’t check up on the stories of “freedom” children and undermines our border patrol agents who work hard to keep the country safe.
==================================

http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-TV/2013/01/29/Senator-Sessions-Obamas-Immigration-Plan-Undermines-La-Enforcement?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+BreitbartFeed+%28Breitbart+Feed%29

canopfor on January 30, 2013 at 5:17 AM

canopfor on January 31, 2013 at 7:23 PM

I think I just heard a trio of Republican cervix’s just shudder.

Mr. Arrogant on January 31, 2013 at 7:24 PM

God forbid we see another terrorist attack and it’s linked to the insecurity of our border… will the media report anything connecting the two? It’s bizarre that we never fixed the visa system considering what happened on 9/11, did the Republicans completely drop the ball back then or were there other factors? I don’t remember.

Ukiah on January 31, 2013 at 7:25 PM

Chuck Schumer: I refuse to let border security become a barrier to citizenship for illegals

Not to belabor the point, but unless he can get the Republicans to go along, that is precisely what he is doing. But, you know, whatever. Nobody holds Democrats to any accountability in the truthfulness of their rhetoric anymore.

besser tot als rot on January 31, 2013 at 7:26 PM

Schumer has never held a real job.

Wait until the clintons and chuckies get replaced by the gonzales, rodriquezes, jose’s, juanita’s.

Twana on January 31, 2013 at 7:26 PM

FU Schumer!

Schumer, 62
Representative for 6yrs
Senator for 14yrs.
20yrs of seditious socialist garbage in Federal office.

rayra on January 31, 2013 at 7:26 PM

Chuck Schumer: I refuse to let border security become a barrier to citizenship for illegals

It won’t but your failure to pass the border security will become a barrier to their citizenship. Although, you being a dhimpcrapt, their illegality is a plus to phony crooks like you.

Old Country Boy on January 31, 2013 at 7:26 PM

Not saying you’re wrong, but if it’s impossible to tie real border security benchmarks to legal status, why would Schumer throw down the gauntlet and risk blowing up the deal?

crrr6 on January 31, 2013 at 7:10 PM

All part of the plan. Just another excuse for King Obama to claim the Republican’s are obstructionists. Four more years of this.

JPeterman on January 31, 2013 at 7:27 PM

Schumer is a cocky idiot, yes, but is the argument that border security for amnesty that unreasonable? That seems like an issue where we would have a lot of leverage.

I think the donks have backed themselves into a lose-lose situation: mandatory border security for legal status and lose the immigration for the foreseeable future or argue that your opponents are unreasonable because they demanded border security for amnesty, which you refused.

crrr6 on January 31, 2013 at 7:23 PM

I’d like to say you’re are correct but… we are talking about a majority of voters who are more interested in foodstamps and Obamaphones.

Ukiah on January 31, 2013 at 7:27 PM

I’m starting to think Rubio isn’t necessarily good at this.

Dongemaharu on January 31, 2013 at 7:21 PM

I’m not sure about that. Schumer’s idiotic tactics right here might be the best outcome that Rubio could hope for. Rubio gets to appear reasonable and compromising, but without having to actual compromise.

besser tot als rot on January 31, 2013 at 7:28 PM

I’v got a better idea! Nr. Schumer, why don’t you and your state secede and start your own country. Maybe you could take the senate with you.

Old Country Boy on January 31, 2013 at 7:28 PM

If the issue goes away the votes go away. Democrats need the votes so the issue cannot be solved. It’s all about free stuff. For a vote of course.

CW20 on January 31, 2013 at 7:29 PM

All part of the plan. Just another excuse for King Obama to claim the Republican’s are obstructionists. Four more years of this.

JPeterman on January 31, 2013 at 7:27 PM

Yes, but Rubio is actually on the side of popular public opinion on this, not Obama/Schumer. So, Obama/Schumer could come out looking like the obstacles to resolution here. Now, that is assuming a semblance of fair play from the press, which, I will grant you, is a highly dubious proposition.

besser tot als rot on January 31, 2013 at 7:31 PM

so let’s see. Lefties were waiting for Rush et al. go ballistic so as to make Rs back out, in order to get the hispanic vote…so Rubio has a nice sounding presentation, very smooth, and rush says, hmmmm, interesting.

so now the Left has to say, wait a minute…no border security. And so that allows Rubio to get out. But Rush isn’t the bad guy. Every one is bluffing here.

Just like Feinstein’s AWB, just stuff to yell about until the economy collapses….and I hear that Rihanna and Brown are getting back together

r keller on January 31, 2013 at 7:32 PM

CHUCK YOU Schumer can go straight to hell.

Why dont you live in Laredo Texas, jackass, and see how things work down here before you are content to hide in your New York Office.

Oh wait, that would require a backbone.

TX-96 on January 31, 2013 at 7:32 PM

News Flash for Chuck U Schumer!

1986 – you politicians PROMISED to secure the border in exchange for amnesty. Well you got your amnesty but conveniently forgot about securing the borders.

SCREW YOU SCHUMER!

Secure the borders. Put some teeth in the laws regarding illegal employment. Let the SS Admin, IRS and Border Patrol talk to each other.

THEN WE’LL TALK ABOUT AMNESTY!

GarandFan on January 31, 2013 at 7:34 PM

I think the donks have backed themselves into a lose-lose situation: mandatory border security for legal status and lose the immigration for the foreseeable future or argue that your opponents are unreasonable because they demanded border security for amnesty, which you refused.

crrr6 on January 31, 2013 at 7:23 PM

I very much disagree with your assessment. They have the media firmly on their side. Pop culture and the low information zombies are marching along in lockstep.

I think Obama and the Democrats can get away with just about everything they try. Anything that they give up on now is only because they think they will do it better then they win back in the house in 2014. In the meantime, they’ll continue to blame the republicans for everything and anything and campaign against them until then.

Timin203 on January 31, 2013 at 7:34 PM

Walk away, Marco, walk away…

ladyingray on January 31, 2013 at 7:37 PM

I’m not sure about that. Schumer’s idiotic tactics right here might be the best outcome that Rubio could hope for. Rubio gets to appear reasonable and compromising, but without having to actual compromise.

besser tot als rot on January 31, 2013 at 7:28 PM

That’s what I’m saying. If I were a Democrat and were trying to pick an immigration fight with the GOP, I never would have brought myself to the point where I would agree with border enforcement for amnesty…unless I thought there was no way Rubio would be able to sell it to the base.

crrr6 on January 31, 2013 at 7:37 PM

Chuck Schumer is a piece of garbage.

AbeFroman on January 31, 2013 at 7:40 PM

Important natural Law: All Dems lie — all the time (and a few Repubs, also)

I have oodles of letters from (my) Senator Reid saying “I am for E-Verify”, but when the opportunity came in February 2009, after Pelosi’s House passed an amendment to the $800B stimulus bill to require use of E-Verify for all contractors, Reid denied a vote on the same amendment, even after a bi-partisan letter of request.

I even got Nathan Baca on Las Vegas TV to ask Reid about it by sending him an email with the question!!!!

fred5678 on January 31, 2013 at 7:41 PM

Well, all right, bat this around too then:

1. The GOP resistance in the house is temporary. The GOP is descending, the Democrat Party is ascending, and the government will be all ours soon. Very soon, actually, in political terms. An election cycle, maybe two.

2. There is no reason this has to be solved here and now. It can be solved in two or four years. This is currently a perma-problem.

3. Rubio is a piss-ant with delusions of grandeur.

4. The story of the good, the bad, and the ugly will always be in our favor. No matter what happens, evil Republicans screwed us or hindered us.

5. With a wink and a nod, we all know that new American voters from Mexico are going to support us in the millions until the end of time, and they all know that we fought for them against the GOP. That fundamental truth will never change.

6. We win elections with and without popular public support of our positions. That’s over; we’ve worked that calculus out.
/A Donkey’s Brain

Axe on January 31, 2013 at 7:42 PM

In real terms the Dem’s have all ready closed this window. If they refuse to do a budget, then they have in effect shut down the federal government, and opened up the 2014 election season. Which means they can not do as much damage if they are campaigning 24/7.(Well, one can hope.)

flackcatcher on January 31, 2013 at 7:43 PM

And what makes anyone think these illegal immigrants will want to be taxed? They’ve been getting away with working under the table and not having to pay taxes, why would they volunteer to start paying?

And employers will always be willing to pay them, because it costs them less and is quicker, easier, and cheaper to run a business with cash.

Timin203 on January 31, 2013 at 7:18 PM

It doesn’t cost employers anything to withhold taxes. Once the employees are legal they can turn the employers in to the Labor Department if they don’t pay legal wages and withhold taxes. And this Labor Department will be more than happy to bust them. They won’t miss the taxes if their wages go up. Some of them will be unpleasantly surprised to lose their jobs as employers have to increase wages for the others.

rockmom on January 31, 2013 at 7:44 PM

I think Obama and the Democrats can get away with just about everything they try. Anything that they give up on now is only because they think they will do it better then they win back in the house in 2014. In the meantime, they’ll continue to blame the republicans for everything and anything and campaign against them until then.

Timin203 on January 31, 2013 at 7:34 PM

That is a pretty defeatist attitude. You may be right, but it is defeatist nonetheless. And, doesn’t leave many options.

besser tot als rot on January 31, 2013 at 7:45 PM

Crap. I got all worked up thinking the real cur6 came back.

Lanceman on January 31, 2013 at 7:46 PM

Slouch away would be more like it.

Bmore on January 31, 2013 at 7:47 PM

“A border hawk”? Is that a person who insists on sovereignty and rule of law? Shouldn’t that be the norm in a nation of laws?

rrpjr on January 31, 2013 at 7:48 PM

Axe on January 31, 2013 at 7:42 PM

That result was probably guaranteed after conservatives killed Bush’s immigration bill in 2007. All we are arguing now is how fast it happens.

rockmom on January 31, 2013 at 7:48 PM

Crap. I got all worked up thinking the real cur6 came back.
Lanceman on January 31, 2013 at 7:46 PM

I picked it to have some fun with him, but I guess he got banned right around the same time.

crrr6 on January 31, 2013 at 7:50 PM

“We want the border to be secure. It’s more secure than it was several years ago, but it has a ways to go.

Senator Chuck Schumer

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L I A R !

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Hey ! New York ! … It’s all your fault the rest of us have to SUFFER this sorry excuse for a public servant. : (

listens2glenn on January 31, 2013 at 7:50 PM

If anyone thinks that when reform is passed with promises about protecting the border I have a plot of land near the Everglades to sell ya.

CW on January 31, 2013 at 7:50 PM

If these illegals were coming here talking up limited government, less spending, and lower taxes, Chucky would have a fencer building crew on the border the next day.

booger71 on January 31, 2013 at 7:52 PM

Slouch away would be more like it.

Bmore on January 31, 2013 at 7:47 PM

There’s only one actual thing to do: Strengthen the TP caucus in the GOP. Put another way, win election of conservative candidates.

No clever tricks are available to the good guys, since we aren’t trying to twist or mutilate things . . . sort of like cancer vs. a healthy cell. We can’t just multiply until we’ve ruined ourselves. We have to actually do what cells do. The other guys can cheat.

Axe on January 31, 2013 at 7:53 PM

That is a pretty defeatist attitude. You may be right, but it is defeatist nonetheless. And, doesn’t leave many options.

besser tot als rot on January 31, 2013 at 7:45 PM

I’m completely defeatist. I’m watching this spectacle, not fighting myself, so my defeatism is somewhat abstracted, but I am totally convinced the Republicans will lose the House in 2014, and every fight leading up to that point. They do not know how to fight the Left. Why and how would they suddenly learn? What miracle would take place? There are no options left. You fight the Left and the media — you go through the fire in the fight — or you lose. They won’t do it — not really, not to the point where it burns even a little.

rrpjr on January 31, 2013 at 7:54 PM

Timin203 on January 31, 2013 at 7:34 PM

What you say is true, but tactically it’s pretty stupid to try to make your opponents seem unreasonable by bringing them to the negotiating table in the first place.

crrr6 on January 31, 2013 at 7:54 PM

The only way to staunch the flow is to make it undesirable to come here as an illegal. As it is they get better benefits than native born Americans. Why shouldn’t they come?

Pokeyarw on January 31, 2013 at 7:21 PM

BINGO!!!

With about half of illegals being visa overstays, 100 ft fences wouldn’t do the complete job.

Remove all the attractions and magnets, and they will leave on their own, as this guy explains.

fred5678 on January 31, 2013 at 7:55 PM

I picked it to have some fun with him, but I guess he got banned right around the same time.

crrr6 on January 31, 2013 at 7:50 PM

She. She disappeared right around the OWS got started.

Lanceman on January 31, 2013 at 7:55 PM

Ok republicans..say no and lets go back to whats important right now..the debt, spending and jobs..

sadsushi on January 31, 2013 at 7:57 PM

Schumer has never held a real job. He’s the Poster Boy for term limits.

Jim – PRS on January 31, 2013 at 7:01 PM

It’s well known that the most dangerous place in the universe is between Chuckie and a news camera.

It’s kind of funny…the US tax code used to offer incentives to companies doing business in P.R. A former mayor of NYC went on record in support saying that without the benefit the P.R.’s would end up in NYC. How times have changed.

teejk on January 31, 2013 at 7:57 PM

I’m not sure about that. Schumer’s idiotic tactics right here might be the best outcome that Rubio could hope for. Rubio gets to appear reasonable and compromising, but without having to actual compromise.

besser tot als rot on January 31, 2013 at 7:28 PM

I can’t think of anything recently when Democrats played hardball and Republicans tried to appear reasonable that Republicans prevailed.

Dongemaharu on January 31, 2013 at 7:59 PM

Unless the entire border is being secured with an Israeli-style West Bank security fence we will need much better interior enforcement. We already have adequate law enforcement assets between local and state police, county sheriffs, regional ICE and DEA. If left wing politicians would let them do their jobs and Morton would take custody and deport them we would be in good shape.

Republican messaging could be so much better. How about saying you oppose amnesty for illegal aliens because you are protecting job opportunities for legal hispanic immigrants who spent a lot of time and money to be in the USA legally. Opposing amnesty will also mean more public resources will be available for resident aliens who are in need of government assistance such as Section 8 housing.

Wigglesworth on January 31, 2013 at 8:05 PM

11 Million. Ha!! There probably are 11 million in California alone!

More like 20 million.

LASue on January 31, 2013 at 8:07 PM

So we need to improve border security to prevent people from entering illegally even though we are about to grant amnesty to millions who entered illegally.

If we are welcoming millions who broke our laws isn’t that an implicit admission the laws are a joke? If so, why have borders? You can’t mention amnesty and border security in the same sentence and have any shred of credibility.

Why would border agents continue to risk life and limb with this nonsense going on? Going forward, why would any foreign national honor the immigration laws of a nation that just gave up on enforcing them?

There should be no amnesty. The official position of the US government should be that these people go home. We should leverage state and local resources to make it know to these people they are not welcome here. Use eVerify to take away their jobs. Take away their benefits.

If the rule of law is not applied equally, it has no meaning and we are doomed.

echosyst on January 31, 2013 at 8:14 PM

I can’t think of anything recently when Democrats played hardball and Republicans tried to appear reasonable that Republicans prevailed.

Dongemaharu on January 31, 2013 at 7:59 PM

Me neither. They know they can beat us at hardball almost every time. That’s why they play it.

petefrt on January 31, 2013 at 8:15 PM

Great: Another government metric to provide comfort. Will it be as accurately figured as the unemployment index?

GaltBlvnAtty on January 31, 2013 at 8:16 PM

Once again…Chuck Schumer believes securing the border and enforcing immigration law is harassment. Not only will he not allow security to be a barrier to the current 20 million, he’s going to make sure it isn’t a barrier to the next 20 million who are packing their bags right now. He has no intention whatsoever of enforcing security at the border or in the interior, and neither do the rest of the Amnesty 8.

That is a pretty defeatist attitude.

besser tot als rot

And it’s also wrong. Obama had the worst showing of a winning incumbent possibly ever, losing 3 million or so votes in the last election. Everything ain’t as hunky dory in democrat land as they want us to believe. That’s why there has been a full court press by the dems since the election to try and convince us that WE need to change and become more like them, and it’s why they’re desperately trying to get us to commit suicide with this amnesty business. Don’t believe the hype….the dems might actually be in bigger trouble than we are. And Obama won’t be on the ballot in 2016 to save them. Now we just have to keep OUR SIDE from saving them.

xblade on January 31, 2013 at 8:19 PM

Game over?

We can only hope.

Bmore on January 31, 2013 at 8:19 PM

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