Reason poll: 67% think assault-weapons ban will have no impact on school shootings

posted at 12:01 pm on January 30, 2013 by Ed Morrissey

The new Reason-Rupe poll presents pundits with a cornucopia of riches, and not just on the topic of guns.  The survey of general-population adults includes a broad range of topics, including the priorities of issues for Americans at the start of 2013.  It might surprise many in the media that gun control/gun violence is still only the top issue for just 3% of Americans, for instance, while 29% believe Barack Obama should be focused on the economy, 19% on jobs, and 13% on the federal budget deficit and spending issues.  (After today’s GDP number, those numbers may sharply rise, too.)

The big takeaways on guns, though, are that people don’t really want another assault-weapons ban and overwhelming don’t believe it would have made a difference in the recent shootings:

As Jacob Sullum mentioned in his column this morning, Reason-Rupe finds that over half, 51 percent, of Americans say people “should be allowed to own assault weapons,” while 44 percent say people “should be prohibited from owning assault weapons.” Once again there is a substantial political divide: 68 percent of Republicans and 57 percent of independents say assault weapons should be allowed. However, just 33 percent of Democrats agree.

Democrats, who normally count on the youth vote, may be surprised to find that 70 percent of 18-24 year-olds and 58 percent of 25-34 year-olds say “assault weapons should be allowed.” Similarly, Republicans, who usually rely upon the senior vote, will find that 57 percent of 55-64 year-olds and 61 percent of people over the age of 65 say assault weapons should be prohibited.

As Congress gets ready to debate new gun restrictions, just 27 percent of Americans say the federal assault weapons ban that expired in 2004 would’ve helped avoid the tragedy if it were still in place. Over two-thirds, 67 percent, say the ban would not have helped avoid the shooting.

The data on that question is actually entertaining.  When asked to define “assault weapon,” 29% defined it as an automatic weapon — which are already so restricted as to be functionally banned, and have been since the 1930s.  Another 27% say “fires rapidly,” which is either true of nearly all semi-automatic weapons (one round per trigger pull, just like revolvers), or once again refers to automatic weapons which are already functionally barred from possession.  Seventeen percent defined it as “fires multiple rounds,” a definition which has even more problems, as even revolvers fire multiple rounds if you keep pulling the trigger.  Many of us complain that the phrase “assault weapon” is meaningless; this is a good example of why.

When asked to provide a solution that the federal government could implement that would prevent shootings like Newtown, only 9% wanted a ban on assault weapons and large-capacity magazines and clips, although another 16% said they want more gun control in general.  The most popular answer at 21% was that the federal government shouldn’t get involved at all, followed by 20% who want more security in schools.  Only 7% suggested more background checks, even though that tends to be the most popular answer when asked in other polling.

When asked which is most important, though, 24% respond “better mental-health treatment.” Nineteen percent say stricter gun control, but 18% say “better parenting” and 17% want armed guards at schools.  This isn’t a groundswell for gun-control agendas, to say the least.

By the way, the sample has a D/R/I of 36/24/40, so it’s not as though Reason/Rupe are oversampling Republicans in this general-population sample, either.


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Reason poll: 67% think assault-weapons ban will have no impact on school shootings

In other words, 33% of the public is actually stupid enough to think that criminals who have so far utterly ignored the 2000 some odd laws already on the books are going to magically start obeying the new ones.

SWalker on January 30, 2013 at 12:04 PM

Sane people realize that all gun control will due is take guns out of the hands of law-abiding Americans.

Criminals will always find a way to get guns.

kingsjester on January 30, 2013 at 12:04 PM

If it weren’t for the deceptive gun control push, we’d all be concentrating on the deceptive stealth immigration amnesty bill coming up.

Dusty on January 30, 2013 at 12:06 PM

SWalker on January 30, 2013 at 12:04 PM

An old progressive saying “Hey, maybe the 2,001st time will be a charm.”

Flange on January 30, 2013 at 12:10 PM

crickets chirping on the lsm

msdnc bashing la pierre because he says no criminal is going fall under any universal background check

he’s got a point that msdnc refuses to admit…

cmsinaz on January 30, 2013 at 12:11 PM

Give a gun to every mentally-capable, able-bodied citizen, train them to use it, and segregate Muslims. This approach works wonders for Israeli security – and the threats our schools face are laughable compared to theirs.

Archivarix on January 30, 2013 at 12:12 PM

Sane people realize that all gun control will due is take guns out of the hands of law-abiding Americans.

Criminals will always find a way to get guns.

kingsjester on January 30, 2013 at 12:04 PM

ding ding ding

the lsm are not sane people (refer to msdnc and the morning joe crew)

cmsinaz on January 30, 2013 at 12:12 PM

So who are these nuclear rocket surgeons that make up the 33%?

JusDreamin on January 30, 2013 at 12:13 PM

The big takeaways on guns, though, are that people don’t really want another assault-weapons ban and overwhelming don’t believe it would have made a difference in the recent shootings:

Mass shootings of the type of VA Tech, Newtown, or Aurora are (thankfully) rare atrocities. Yet the left has decided to use the blood of those innocent children at Sandy Hook to further an agenda they have had for decades before those 20 tiny children were even born. They want to get rid of the Second Amendment and they see this as their best chance in a very long time. I am certain they were high-fiving one another when the Sandy Hook body count went to double digits.

The truth is that there isn’t one new law that would have prevented Sandy Hook. The shooter used guns he got from his mother’s home so messing around with the falsely-named gun show loophole is meaningless. Background checks didn’t stop the shooter from trying to get a gun of his own- the fact he didn’t want to wait did. And murder has already been outlawed. So when Constitution-hating traitors like Gabby Giffords or Sarah Brady are treated like media darlings, remember this. As the left-wing media trys to manufacture outrage by making up stories of victims being heckled. Not one thing that these freedom-hating advocates can do or say will make one difference in outcomes.

And at the same time, common sense discussion about things like black-on-black gang related shootings in Chicago go ignored because it does not fit the narrative being put forth by media whores like Senators Feinstein or Schumer.

Happy Nomad on January 30, 2013 at 12:14 PM

Ed, can’t you do something about that finger in the trigger guard thingy. ; )

Bmore on January 30, 2013 at 12:14 PM

But we need to keep trying because if we do, some day, we will find that one magically perfect law that even criminals will obey.

And until then, if we save one life, it will be worth it.

Lily on January 30, 2013 at 12:16 PM

he’s got a point that msdnc refuses to admit…

cmsinaz on January 30, 2013 at 12:11 PM

That’s because if the Fifth Column Treasonous Media did admit it, then the agenda behind their narrative would become obvious to even the most obtuse of the useless imbeciles in America.

20. Infiltrate the press. Get control of book-review assignments, editorial writing, policymaking positions.
21. Gain control of key positions in radio, TV, and motion pictures.

There are 45 of those steps, you should take the time to read them all. It just might wake you up to what is going on around you.

SWalker on January 30, 2013 at 12:16 PM

why does she have her finger on that =trigger????!!!!! i thought she was a licensed concel carry?????

badswing on January 30, 2013 at 12:17 PM

Give a gun to every mentally-capable, able-bodied citizen, train them to use it, and segregate Muslims. This approach works wonders for Israeli security – and the threats our schools face are laughable compared to theirs.

Archivarix on January 30, 2013 at 12:12 PM

Funny you should mention that, as I have the perfect vehicle to do exactly that.

SWalker on January 30, 2013 at 12:19 PM

Ed, can’t you do something about that finger in the trigger guard thingy. ; )

Bmore on January 30, 2013 at 12:14 PM

DiFi brandishing a gun like that would look so much better in a brown short. Oh wait, she is already wearing one… shirt design fail?

Archivarix on January 30, 2013 at 12:19 PM

The 31% should be immediately culled from the herd.

Mr. Arrogant on January 30, 2013 at 12:19 PM

Many of us complain that the phrase “assault weapon” is meaningless; this is a good example of why.

The left’s definition puts virtually every firearm into the category of assault weapon. This is not by mistake. Feinstein even admitted it. Their agenda is to slowly get all the guns out of private hands. They will simply increase the list of banned weapons over time.

They’ve started with a list that ignores firearms that are even more lethal and that too is by design. They’ll ban the AR-15 and then discover all these other weapons that are more dangerous. Well, they’ve got to go too, right? Throw in cumbersome background checks where some government bureaucrat gets to see your HIPPA information and you begin to see just how evil and anti-American people like Gabby Giffords or Feinstein really are. They support nothing less than the repeal of our civil rights.

Happy Nomad on January 30, 2013 at 12:20 PM

I would be curious to see a geographical map (red/blue) showing where these percentages live.

Just for funsies.

kingsjester on January 30, 2013 at 12:21 PM

….its because they know, ” what will be the next ban ” be. My car? My lead pencil?

It just takes time for people to get their emotions under control about the issue. There will be no bans.

TX-96 on January 30, 2013 at 12:23 PM

The gun violence hearing is so disturbing. It is so obvious that the left is not at all hearing what the right is saying.

I want to bang my head against the wall it is so infuriating and they literally poo poo the argument that the 2nd amendment is to protect us from an overreaching government!

CoffeeLover on January 30, 2013 at 12:23 PM

Numbers like these don’t matter to liberals unless they support the leftist agenda. We had similar results for Obamacare and it was crammed down our throats anyway. Liberals like the MSNBC talking heads long ago decided they know better than we do, so they see us as a bunch of illiterate rubes. We could have 90% of the people saying no new laws will stop mass killings, but jokers like Morgan and O’Donnell will still say their position is the only right one.

Liam on January 30, 2013 at 12:25 PM

CoffeeLover on January 30, 2013 at 12:23 PM

This, like the amnesty stuff, and Obamacare have been major goals for the demented Left…and, they are determined not to let the American people stand in their way.

kingsjester on January 30, 2013 at 12:25 PM

another 16% said they want more gun control in general.

A large part of this 16% is because most people aren’t familiar with what gun control laws we already have.

Socratease on January 30, 2013 at 12:27 PM

Just one quick comment. I love how unflattering the Feinstein picture is.

Illinidiva on January 30, 2013 at 12:27 PM

This, like the amnesty stuff, and Obamacare have been major goals for the demented Left…and, they are determined not to let the American people stand in their way.

kingsjester on January 30, 2013 at 12:25 PM

I agree with you 100%. And I also feel they’ve only just begun.

CoffeeLover on January 30, 2013 at 12:28 PM

SWalker on January 30, 2013 at 12:16 PM

hello
*shaking the head*

cmsinaz on January 30, 2013 at 12:29 PM

Sane people realize that all gun control will due is take guns out of the hands of law-abiding Americans.

Which is the primary intention of gun control. Guns in the possession of concerned law abiding citizens poses too great a potential threat to Leftist quest for total government control.

hawkeye54 on January 30, 2013 at 12:29 PM

67% think assault-weapons ban will have no impact on school shootings

…which should surprise exactly NO ONE except idiots. The ORIGINAL AWB did NOT prevent Columbine, Paducah, Jonesboro, etc.

Criminals, BY DEFINITION, do NOT obey the law.

3,261,725: Estimated number of all AR-15s in America in 2009.

323: The total number of homicides committed with ALL TYPES OF RIFLES in the United States in 2011.

The problem is NOT “assault weapons.” The common denominator with rampage/mass shooters is almost ALWAYS mental illness that exhibited itself long before the incident.

What is it that you hear after these events?

“I’m really not surprised. The guy was always weird.”

Jared Loughner was so whacked that Sheriff Dipshit’s own department had prior knowledge. His classmates had voiced concerns that he would shoot up the class. His UFOlogy buddies – yeah, there’s some serious, rational, sane people right there – thought he was nucking futs. If a bunch of nutters thinks a guy is a REAL NUCKING FUTTER then the odds are probably pretty good that he should be in a psych ward.

Resist We Much on January 30, 2013 at 12:29 PM

who usually rely upon the senior vote, will find that 57 percent of 55-64 year-olds and 61 percent of people over the age of 65 say assault weapons should be prohibited.

Hanging my head in shame over the views of my age group (55-64).

chemman on January 30, 2013 at 12:31 PM

Ahhhhh yes, another pic of this woman with the firearm
and the pantsuit…..someone forgot to tell her to
leave the Strap On at home….

ToddPA on January 30, 2013 at 12:33 PM

Ah the 33% rule stays in effect!

33% think 911 was an inside job.
33% think Obama was born in Kenya
33% think an assault ban on non criminals will stop school shootings

And on and on and on….

Basically 33% are idiots. Still trying figure out the whole 53% thingy though.

can_con on January 30, 2013 at 12:35 PM

33% think Obama was born in Kenya

can_con on January 30, 2013 at 12:35 PM

Silly fools, every knows Obama was born on Gliese 581 C.

SWalker on January 30, 2013 at 12:40 PM

Feinie is holding a rifle with a high capacity mag, shouldn’t she be spraying the room with bullets because that’s what hi-cap mags make people do.

Bishop on January 30, 2013 at 12:40 PM

canopfor on January 30, 2013 at 9:45 AM

Well that goes without saying!

can_con on January 30, 2013 at 12:42 PM

Feinie is holding a rifle with a high capacity mag, shouldn’t she be spraying the room with bullets because that’s what hi-cap mags make people do.

Bishop on January 30, 2013 at 12:40 PM

Please forgive my cynicism, but what, exactly, would be the downside of her doing that?

SWalker on January 30, 2013 at 12:42 PM

Sorry that was for Swalker

can_con on January 30, 2013 at 12:43 PM

When gun molls go bad.

Lily on January 30, 2013 at 12:45 PM

I wish there were a caption contest for that photo….

“Which ones a you m*%$#ther-f%^&*$rs didn’t vote for my anti-gun bill?!”

SailorMark on January 30, 2013 at 12:47 PM

2,513,171: The number of total deaths from all causes in the United States in 2011.

8,583: The number of gun-related homicides and manslaughter deaths in the United States in 2011.

26,631: The number of deaths resulting from falls from ladders, rocks, etc, in the United States in 2011.

0.012%: The number of deaths caused by assault weapons in the United States in 2011.

3.8%: The number of deaths in America caused by ALL TYPES OF RIFLES in the United States in 2011.

72.5%: The number representing the percentage of homicides committed WITH HANDGUNS in the United States in 2011.

323: The total number of homicides committed with ALL TYPES OF RIFLES in the United States in 2011.

496: The total number of homicides committed with hammers or other blunt objects in the United States in 2011.

In 2012, the Congressional Research Service estimated that there were in 2009:

310 million: Number of guns in America.

114 million: Number of handguns in America.

110 million: Number of rifles in America.

86 million: Number of shotguns in America.

2,446,294: Estimated number of American-made AR-15s in America.

3,261,725: Estimated number of all AR-15s in America.

There are 3,261,725 AR-15s in America and were 323 deaths from ALL TYPES OF RIFLES, INCLUDING AR-15s in 2011, but we HAVE to ban AR-15s!!! Talk about using a nuke to kill a housefly!

The OVERALL MAJORITY OF AMERICANS are LAW-ABIDING gun owners. Those that have used assault rifles to commit crimes are CRIMINALS, who BY DEFINITION, do not abide by the law.

Furthermore, what do mass shooters OVERWHELMINGLY have in common? MENTAL ILLNESS, primarily paranoid schizophrenia or bipolar with violent tendencies.

In recent decades, the homicide and violent crime rate has DROPPED as gun ownership has INCREASED.

In recent decades, we’ve seen an INCREASE in MASS SHOOTINGS as we’ve seen it become HARDER TO INSTITUTIONALISE THOSE THAT ARE DANGERS TO THEMSELVES AND/OR SOCIETY.

The original AWB did NOT stop Columbine, Paducah, Jonesboro, etc. Sheriff Dipshit in Tucson, who tried to blame the Tea Party, Sarah Palin, right-wing rhetoric, etc, KNEW about Jared Loughner’s problems BEFORE he went on his rampage.

What would have been more effective in preventing the deaths of those in Tucson – an AWB with an open border or a legal system that would have enabled society to institutionalise Jared Loughner?

Work on the things that will have the most impact and also remember that, in order to be constitutional, any law will have to survive strict scrutiny because the Second Amendment recognises a natural, individual right to bear arms, which has nothing whatsoever to do with hunting or sport. While the deaths of 323 from ALL rifles are horrible, a ban on assault rifles or magazines when there are 3.26 million AR-15s in the country, ALONE, that are legally and peacefully owned seems incredibly overbroad.

Such an infringement upon the rights of millions of law-abiding Americans to POSSIBLY prevent a handful of deaths each year from assault rifles is unlikely to survive strict scrutiny, especially in the wake of Heller and McDonald.

Resist We Much on January 30, 2013 at 12:49 PM

Please forgive my cynicism, but what, exactly, would be the downside of her doing that?

SWalker on January 30, 2013 at 12:42 PM

Heh. You too?

MelonCollie on January 30, 2013 at 12:49 PM

Here’s my proposal for new Federal Gun Control Legislation:

1. Mandate a “shall issue” CCW permit policy for all 50 states.
2. CCW permit requires a background check to exclude felons and the mentally impaired.
3. CCW permit requires 15 hours hands on training by a certified instructor. 5 hours supplemental training required for renewal every 5 years.
4. Mandatory 10 year federal sentence for the use of a firearm during the commission of a felony.
5. Abolish all Federal “gun free zones”.

peski on January 30, 2013 at 12:50 PM

Heh. You too?

MelonCollie on January 30, 2013 at 12:49 PM

<— Insert evil grin here:

SWalker on January 30, 2013 at 12:51 PM

I wish there were a caption contest for that photo….

“Which ones a you m*%$#ther-f%^&*$rs didn’t vote for my anti-gun bill?!”

SailorMark on January 30, 2013 at 12:47 PM

LMAO.

Tune in tomorrow when we hear from the BENGHAZI BRAWLER!!

Yes folks, she has 4 Kills under her belt, and she’ll
wear a pantsuit with machetes built in!!

ToddPA on January 30, 2013 at 12:54 PM

Was Feinstein holding that gun at a school? If so, then I’d say that her proposed law will have no effect on school shootings.

unclesmrgol on January 30, 2013 at 1:11 PM

Ed Morrissey, in your topic yesterday where you espoused a blithe acceptance of universal background checks (registration by any other name), you never touched on what exactly the Left is giving up in such a “compromise” solution. While people like you GIVE AWAY OUR RIGHTS. As far as I can see, they only ‘give up’ the immediate accomplishment of their disarmament goal. And Feinstein did admit in ’95 that she’d have taken EVERYTHING if she could have got 51 Senate votes in ’94.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7uMMG17HhF0
Do you not see what your bland idiocy leads to??

NO COMPROMISE ON OUR RIGHT TO BEAR ARMS. NO FURTHER. NO FUHRER.

rayra on January 30, 2013 at 1:12 PM

Anyone else notice Ma Barker has her finger inside the trigger guard, on the trigger which is a huge no no! Not that she’d know, since she has a concealed carry permit for herself.

Good thing there’s no barrel shroud on it. You know, it’s the shoulder thing (that goes up)

rightside on January 30, 2013 at 1:13 PM

3,261,725: Estimated number of all AR-15s in America in 2009.

Resist We Much on January 30, 2013 at 12:29 PM

..it would be interesting to see what the current level of AR/Bushmaster ownership is today after this latest round of scare crapola.

The War Planner on January 30, 2013 at 1:17 PM

In other words, 33% of the public is actually stupid enough to think that criminals who have so far utterly ignored the 2000 some odd laws already on the books are going to magically start obeying the new ones.

SWalker on January 30, 2013 at 12:04 PM

Just a nit – but I think you dropped a zero here.
I’ve mostly seen the number as about 20,000 existing gun control laws on the books.
Hey I’m an engineer – I pay attention to numbers…..

dentarthurdent on January 30, 2013 at 1:20 PM

Resist We Much on January 30, 2013 at 12:49 PM

What about AK types?
I’ve got 2.

dentarthurdent on January 30, 2013 at 1:22 PM

..it would be interesting to see what the current level of AR/Bushmaster ownership is today after this latest round of scare crapola.

The War Planner on January 30, 2013 at 1:17 PM

Since 2009 – I’d guess that number could be doubled.

dentarthurdent on January 30, 2013 at 1:23 PM

Similarly, Republicans, who usually rely upon the senior vote, will find that 57 percent of 55-64 year-olds and 61 percent of people over the age of 65 say assault weapons should be prohibited.

My peer group. Which is aged hippies or peace-niks from the 60s and 70s. You know, be kind to the environment, make love not war, don’t Bogart that join types. I remember those days well and I don’t remember a person I knew that didn’t have disdain for the “man”, military or weapons of any type. The guy from “KungFu” that hung himself in a closet was our hero. Power through peace was his way. Unless he had to hit somebody that is.

Dr. Frank Enstine on January 30, 2013 at 1:24 PM

AR-15s-to-Homicide Rate in the US:

1994 (AWB signed into law):

# of AR-15s: ~1.5 million

Homicide Rate: 9.0

2009:

# of AR-15s: 3.26 million

Homicide Rate: 5.0

But, but, but AR-15′s are skeery looking!!!

Resist We Much on January 30, 2013 at 1:24 PM

Anyone else notice Ma Barker has her finger inside the trigger guard, on the trigger which is a huge no no! Not that she’d know, since she has a concealed carry permit for herself.
rightside on January 30, 2013 at 1:13 PM

Yes. This same photo has now been used 3 times this week, and every time there have been dozens of posts about her finger on the trigger.

dentarthurdent on January 30, 2013 at 1:25 PM

rayra on January 30, 2013 at 1:12 PM

The left never ever gives up anything. That’s not the way it works because their way is the correct way and any other way is just plain wrong.

Dr. Frank Enstine on January 30, 2013 at 1:27 PM

But, but, but AR-15′s are skeery looking!!!

Resist We Much on January 30, 2013 at 1:24 PM

Do you know if AK types are counted in these figures, or are AKs counted separately?
If separate, how many people have been killed with AKs?

dentarthurdent on January 30, 2013 at 1:28 PM

But, but, but AR-15′s are skeery looking!!!

Resist We Much on January 30, 2013 at 1:24 PM

They are at that. There were a bunch of people talking at work about assault weapons. I generally stay out of any such discussions but my boss asked me directly what I thought about banning them. I asked what was an assault weapon? Nobody answered so I said, “An assault weapon is any gun that certain people are afraid of because of the way it looks.” She said she wasn’t going to listen to such nonsense and told everyone to get back to work.

Dr. Frank Enstine on January 30, 2013 at 1:33 PM

blockquote>They are at that. There were a bunch of people talking at work about assault weapons. I generally stay out of any such discussions but my boss asked me directly what I thought about banning them. I asked what was an assault weapon? Nobody answered so I said, “An assault weapon is any gun that certain people are afraid of because of the way it looks.” She said she wasn’t going to listen to such nonsense and told everyone to get back to work.

Dr. Frank Enstine on January 30, 2013 at 1:33 PM
My wife has the same problem at work – she’s a librarian and the (half) vast majority of them are flaming libs. She was very tempted to throw into the latest anti-gun talk centered around the library being a gun free zone that she just bought a Draco AK pistol so she could protect these imbeciles. (she didn’t have the guts to say it though)

dentarthurdent on January 30, 2013 at 1:38 PM

Do you know if AK types are counted in these figures, or are AKs counted separately?
If separate, how many people have been killed with AKs?

dentarthurdent on January 30, 2013 at 1:28 PM

The homicide rate, if that’s what you are asking, is for ALL murders regardless of manner of death.

In 2011, of the 8,583 gun-related homicides, only 323 homicides were committed with ANY KIND OF RIFLE, INCLUDING “ASSAULT RIFLES.”

Resist We Much on January 30, 2013 at 1:43 PM

Dr. Frank Enstine on January 30, 2013 at 1:33 PM

Here. Make her take this test.

Resist We Much on January 30, 2013 at 1:44 PM

I love the picture.
As an expert on “assault-weapons”, she should know not to put her finger inside the trigger guard unless she is planning on firing the weapon.

Cosmop on January 30, 2013 at 1:45 PM

Chicago is living proof that you don’t need assault rifles to kill hundreds of people.

bw222 on January 30, 2013 at 1:49 PM

The left never ever gives up anything. That’s not the way it works because their way is the correct way and any other way is just plain wrong.

Dr. Frank Enstine on January 30, 2013 at 1:27 PM

And also EVIIIIILLLLL.

Lily on January 30, 2013 at 1:50 PM

Feinstein looks like Ma Barker to me with the pin stripe suit.

bw222 on January 30, 2013 at 1:50 PM

The homicide rate, if that’s what you are asking, is for ALL murders regardless of manner of death.

In 2011, of the 8,583 gun-related homicides, only 323 homicides were committed with ANY KIND OF RIFLE, INCLUDING “ASSAULT RIFLES.”

Resist We Much on January 30, 2013 at 1:43 PM

I understand that. I’m asking about your AR-15 specific figures – ownership numbers and deaths associated with that gun type.
Is an AK-47 counted as an AR-15 type rifle in these figures or is there a separate category of AK-47 types?

I would guess there are nearly equivalent numbers of AK-47 type guns in this country, but the deaths attributed to them are likely even lower than with AR-15s. Unless the AKs are counted as ARs for these statistics.

dentarthurdent on January 30, 2013 at 1:57 PM

Do you know if AK types are counted in these figures, or are AKs counted separately?
If separate, how many people have been killed with AKs?

Worldwide throughout history…a lot. In the United States…not so much.

Battlecruiser-operational on January 30, 2013 at 1:59 PM

When asked to define “assault weapon,

Simple. An “assault weapon” is ANYTHING a politician says it is.

A SIMPLE solution for a SIMPLE mind.

At least some are beginning to wake up about the problem of the mentally ill obtaining firearms.

But don’t look for the pols to intelligently address that issue. They won’t touch it. Don’t want to VIOLATE ANYONE’S RIGHTS.

GarandFan on January 30, 2013 at 2:03 PM

I’m asking about your AR-15 specific figures – ownership numbers and deaths associated with that gun type. Is an AK-47 counted as an AR-15 type rifle in these figures or is there a separate category of AK-47 types?

I would guess there are nearly equivalent numbers of AK-47 type guns in this country, but the deaths attributed to them are likely even lower than with AR-15s. Unless the AKs are counted as ARs for these statistics.

dentarthurdent on January 30, 2013 at 1:57 PM

The numbers are not broken down more than that. 323 murders were committed with rifles of any kind from hunting to AK-15s.

I wouldn’t be surprised if more people were killed with hunting rifles than AK-15s or AK-47s.

Resist We Much on January 30, 2013 at 2:11 PM

Worldwide throughout history…a lot. In the United States…not so much.

Battlecruiser-operational on January 30, 2013 at 1:59 PM

Of course. RWM had some very good figures on deaths by gun, rifle, handgun, and AR-15. That last category was very specific as to gun type. I know there are a lot of AK type guns in this country (I have 2) – and very few deaths attributed to them. I would just like to know how they fit into those statistics.

dentarthurdent on January 30, 2013 at 2:13 PM

The numbers are not broken down more than that. 323 murders were committed with rifles of any kind from hunting to AK-15s.

I wouldn’t be surprised if more people were killed with hunting rifles than AK-15s or AK-47s.

Resist We Much on January 30, 2013 at 2:11 PM

I’m referring to these numbers that you posted:

AR-15s-to-Homicide Rate in the US:

1994 (AWB signed into law):
# of AR-15s: ~1.5 million
Homicide Rate: 9.0

2009:
# of AR-15s: 3.26 million
Homicide Rate: 5.0

Resist We Much on January 30, 2013 at 1:24 PM

Those are AR-15 specific. I’m just asking for clarification as to whether there is a similar category for AK-47 types, or if AK-47s were counted under the AR-15 category – meaning they’re just lumping all “assault rifles” under the AR-15 header.

dentarthurdent on January 30, 2013 at 2:17 PM

Those are AR-15 specific. I’m just asking for clarification as to whether there is a similar category for AK-47 types, or if AK-47s were counted under the AR-15 category – meaning they’re just lumping all “assault rifles” under the AR-15 header.

dentarthurdent on January 30, 2013 at 2:17 PM

No, the homicide rate is not AR-specific. The homicide rate is for ALL homicides. I am just showing that the number of AR-15s has gone from ~1.5 million to 3.26 million since 1994 while the OVERALL HOMICIDE RATE has fallen from 9.0 in 1994 to 5.0 in 2009.

Resist We Much on January 30, 2013 at 2:53 PM

I wouldn’t be surprised if more people were killed with hunting rifles than AK-15s or AK-47s.

Resist We Much on January 30, 2013 at 2:11 PM

I wouldn’t be surprised either. I’m old. No one of my personal acquaintance has been killed by either an AK-15 or AK-47. But I did personally know 3 people who died by hunting rifle. All accidentally. One died instantly when he was pulling his loaded rifle out of the gun rack in his pickup and he shot himself in the chest. One guy dropped his loaded rifle and shot himself in the neck. And another guy accidentally shot himself while cleaning his rifle after a day of hunting. This is over the course of 50 years or so.

But in that time I have known a score of people who have died in car or motorcycle accidents, so I don’t know why accidental deaths should be more horrific when caused by a gun. For some reason, people seem to think a gun death is more tragic.

Lily on January 30, 2013 at 3:03 PM

For some reason, people seem to think a gun death is more tragic.

Lily on January 30, 2013 at 3:03 PM

It backs their progressive narrative for disarming the population so that when the time comes to dispose of the undesirables, the government will not have an armed opposition.

tom daschle concerned on January 30, 2013 at 3:37 PM

Looking @ the photo, the b*tch has her finger on the effing trigger and it’s pointed in an unsafe direction. liberals are obviously unfit to even hold weapons.

annoyinglittletwerp on January 30, 2013 at 3:52 PM

Looking @ the photo, the b*tch has her finger on the effing trigger and it’s pointed in an unsafe direction. liberals are obviously unfit to even hold weapons.

annoyinglittletwerp on January 30, 2013 at 3:52 PM

LOL! Girl, you rock. Awesome post.

ToddPA on January 30, 2013 at 4:06 PM

annoyinglittletwerp on January 30, 2013 at 3:52 PM

alt, here, I fixed it for her.

Bmore on January 30, 2013 at 4:14 PM