Quotes of the day

posted at 10:31 pm on January 30, 2013 by Allahpundit

Sen. Marco Rubio is having a moment. He’s a charismatic senator from a battleground state whose Cuban heritage and support for immigration reform are helping his party begin a new courtship with Hispanic voters. This much we know. But Rubio is exploiting an opportunity that goes beyond simply good timing and the right last name. He is getting the chance to be first at bat in a larger effort: the post-election audition for GOP leadership. Of all the would-be Republican stars—and the list is long and likely to grow—Rubio is getting a chance to show exactly what it looks like to move the party in a new direction…

The most important political skill is midwifery. The leader who moves the Republican Party into a new era, where it is more attractive to middle-class voters, minorities, and younger voters, will need to communicate a vision as well as communicate back to the base how he is not selling out the party’s core principles. In this effort, Rubio will get a crack at showing key presidential governing skills—the ability to nurse complex legislation by identifying common interests with Democrats while working with Republicans friends through a mixture of cajoling, flattery, and strong-arming.

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Sen. Marco Rubio of Florida, an unlikely ally of Obama’s on this issue, appeared on Rush Limbaugh’s radio show on Tuesday and recognized the Right’s discomfort with easing immigration laws. Like Obama, his defense of immigration reform seemed to be yoked to American exceptionalism.

“It doesn’t feel right in some instances to allow people who have come here undocumented to be able to stay. I know some people are uncomfortable with that notion,” said Rubio, a son of immigrants. “But I would just say this to you: If this country goes downhill, there’s nowhere else in the world. There’s nothing else. There’s no replacement for it. There’s no alternative for America. It’s either us or no one.”

And so perhaps now Republicans in Congress have two reasons to cast a risky vote in favor of conditional amnesty. The first, of course, is the fact that 70 percent of Hispanic and Asian voters supported Obama in the 2012 election, a reflection of a demographic tsunami threatening to destroy the GOP. The second is that, setting aside blind prejudice and “us-versus-them” mentalities, immigration reform is essentially conservative.

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It seems the conservatives who are most skeptical of immigration reform don’t oppose the merits of Rubio’s framework, so much as they simply refuse to believe it would ever be enacted or enforced.

In other words, they simply don’t trust that the law will be obeyed. They believe Democrats can do whatever they want, and the best conservatives can hope for is to slow them down and not give them any ideas.

This is very destructive for democracy. I wish I could say the cynicism and paranoia was entirely unfounded.

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Rubio’s bill is nothing but amnesty. It isn’t even “amnesty thinly disguised as border enforcement.” This is a wolf in wolf’s clothing

The only thing the newly legalized illegal immigrants won’t get immediately is citizenship. Rubio claims that under his plan, they won’t be able to vote or go on welfare. But in practice, they’ll have to wait only until the ACLU finds a judge to say otherwise…

With Hispanics on track to become the largest ethnic group in California this year, the state that gave us Richard Nixon and Ronald Reagan is incapable of electing any Republican statewide anymore. Taxes keep going up, and there’s no one left to pay the bill.

That will be our entire country if Republicans fall for Rubio’s phony “Enforcement First!” plan. Perplexingly, some Republicans seem determined to turn the whole nation into California, in the foolish hope of winning one last election.

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“There are Republicans who will tear up their Republican voting cards over this,” said Dan Stein, the president of the Federation for American Immigration Reform, which opposes the bill.

Rubio is widely considered to be among the party’s top-tier contenders in 2016, but this wasn’t necessarily a fight he needed to be involved in. Not only does the effort contain the chance of angering hardcore primary voters, but Rubio, the son of Cuban exiles, would be able to get Hispanic voters and those pushing for a more moderating voice on immigration within the party merely by his presence.

“Rubio has tried to neutralize [the anger on the right] because of the credibility he has with Tea Party folks, but once real measures are put down in black and white you are going to see the bloggers and talk-show hosts on the right become less and less polite,” said Mark Krikorian, the director of the Center for Immigration Studies, which is devoted to limited immigration. “Rubio’s stock among conservatives is going to start going down over the next six months, and I think he has pretty much doomed his chances for 2016.”

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At least two 2012 polls provided some evidence that support for large-scale immigration alienates white voters.

Fifty-seven percent of “white working-class Americans … agree that illegal immigrants taking jobs that would otherwise be filled by American citizens are responsible for our current economic problems,” said an August survey of 2,501 Americans by the Public Religion Research Institute…

That poll was echoed by a Quinnipiac University poll whose results are a mirror of the Latino Decisions survey.

Quinnipiac’s poll showed that 27 percent of voters in Ohio and Pennsylvania said Obama’s de facto amnesty policy made them less likely to vote for the president’s re-election. Only 11.5 percent of voters in the two states said the policy made them more supportive of Obama, said the survey.

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Public attitudes about immigration: Immigration policy is not a top priority for the U.S. general public or for Hispanics. According to a recent survey of U.S. adults, 39% said that dealing with the issue of illegal immigration should be a top priority for the president and the Congress, placing 17th on a list of policy priorities (Pew Research Center, 2013). For Hispanics, one-third said the issue of immigration was extremely important to them personally, behind issues like the economy and jobs, education and health care (Lopez and Gonzalez-Barrera, 2012).

Attitudes about immigration policy priorities: Among U.S. adults, 28% say the priority for dealing with illegal immigration should be given to tighter restrictions on illegal immigration while 27% say creating a path to citizenship should be the priority. A plurality (42%) says both tactics should be given equal priority. (Pew Research Center for the People & the Press, 2012). Latinos are more likely than the general public (42% versus 27%) to say the priority should be a path to citizenship for immigrants who are in the U.S. illegally. Just 10% of Latinos say priority should be given to better border security and enforcement. Latinos (46%) and the general public (42%) are about equally likely to say priority should be given to enforcement and legalization (Lopez, Gonzalez-Barrera and Motel, 2011).

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Yes, there will be fewer whites and more minorities in the future, and Republicans will have to adjust. But the situation is more complicated than that.

Start with the obvious: If demographics were determinative, then Republicans shouldn’t have gained 63 seats in the House of Representatives in 2010—the largest midterm shift since 1938—while also taking 30 governorships…

The major impediment is the harsh rhetoric of some Republicans regarding immigration. The solution is less about policy than about respect for the Hispanic community. If federal immigration law is reformed with substantial Republican support—including for a long and demanding but achievable process of earning legal status—the GOP can consistently earn 35%-40% among Hispanics. Having Sen. Marco Rubio as the GOP spokesman on immigration issues will hasten the GOP recovery.

Demography isn’t destiny because nothing is permanent in politics—and Democrats’ insistence to the contrary will likely lead them to overreach, ignoring issues such as jobs, anemic growth and deficits in order to tackle gun control and climate change.

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McCain said he hoped to get at least 80 votes for any bill that eventually comes to the floor, although he conceded that there would be naysayers…

If the issue isn’t resolved, McCain said that some states, like his own — which have large Hispanic populations — “will go from Republican to Democratic over time.”

“I think it’s a danger,” McCain said of Republicans permanently forfeiting the Hispanic vote.

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Axe on January 31, 2013 at 2:17 AM

Excellent post!!..:)

Dire Straits on January 31, 2013 at 2:25 AM

Good Night.

KCB on January 31, 2013 at 2:37 AM

*unpoof*

tommy71 on January 31, 2013 at 2:41 AM

All quiet in the HotGas zone.

tommy71 on January 31, 2013 at 2:52 AM

Reagan’s Childhood Home to Become Parking Lot for Obama’s Library

Wednesday, 30 Jan 2013 11:20 AM

By Marti Lotman

The University of Chicago Medical Center has announced plans to turn Ronald Reagan’s childhood home in Chicago into a parking lot for President Barack Obama’s library.

The Commission on Chicago Landmarks previously denied the Gipper’s home landmark status in 2012, according to The Washington Times, and the university subsequently scheduled demolition to begin in January. Officials claim the home does not reach landmark status because it is not architecturally significant and the nation’s 40th president did nothing notable while living there.

http://www.newsmax.com/newswidget/reagan-obama-library-demolition/2013/01/30/id/488082?promo_code=EC70-1&utm_source=American_Spectator&utm_medium=nmwidget&utm_campaign=widgetphase1

rayra on January 31, 2013 at 4:08 AM

*******DEFCON COCKED PISTOL/FAST PACE Alert*********

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DEFCON

Report: North Korea placed under martial law; troops told to be ready for a war as nuclear test looms – @Telegraph

11 mins ago from http://www.telegraph.co.uk by editor
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/northkorea/9838626/North-Korea-under-martial-law.html

canopfor on January 31, 2013 at 4:53 AM

*** Israel Syrian/Hezbollah AirSuperiority still intact Alert**

Israeli airstrike on Syria

Israel conducted a rare airstrike on a military target inside Syria near the border with Lebanon, foreign officials and Syrian state TV said Jan. 30, 2013, amid fears President Bashar Assad’s regime could provide powerful weapons to the Islamic militant group Hezbollah

http://www.breakingnews.com/topic/israeli-airstrike-on-syria
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Report: Officials say shipment Israel was planning to strike in Syria included Russian-made anti-aircraft missiles – @AP

12 hours ago from bigstory.ap.org by editor
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http://bigstory.ap.org/article/regional-security-officials-say-israel-conducted-airstrike-inside-syria-overnight

canopfor on January 31, 2013 at 5:01 AM

The Arab League upset that the weapons didn’t reach HezBolla Goons!

Arab League describes reported Israeli strikes as flagrant aggression and a glaring violation of Syria’s sovereignty – @Haaretzcom

11 mins ago by editor
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canopfor on January 31, 2013 at 5:05 AM

good morning HA

lsm hyping up that chuck hagel will face tough questioning today at his hearing…puhleeze….see Hillary’s hearing, that was suppose to be tough, it was pathetic….3 people actually asked her tough questions….

cmsinaz on January 31, 2013 at 5:38 AM

rayra on January 31, 2013 at 4:08 AM

shameful….just imagine if someone wanted to do that to kennedy’s property…

cmsinaz on January 31, 2013 at 5:41 AM

gop elite are delusional if they think pushing through this boondoggle that hispanic are going to vote for them…

it’s still the economy stupid…

cmsinaz on January 31, 2013 at 5:44 AM

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canopfor on January 31, 2013 at 5:44 AM

and Democrats’ insistence to the contrary will likely lead them to overreach, ignoring issues such as jobs, anemic growth and deficits in order to tackle gun control and climate change.

lead them? they are already….have we even heard the word jobs come from dear leader yet???

cmsinaz on January 31, 2013 at 5:46 AM

it’s still the economy stupid…

cmsinaz on January 31, 2013 at 5:44 AM

cmsinaz:

Good Morning CMS,yup,the economy,Hopey is busy kicking that can
down the road:)

canopfor on January 31, 2013 at 5:47 AM

“I think it’s a danger,” McCain said of Republicans permanently forfeiting the Hispanic vote.

Someone should explain to that man that you cannot lose something you never had.

Cleombrotus on January 31, 2013 at 5:50 AM

morning canopfor, it looks like its just you and me kid for a little while…

cmsinaz on January 31, 2013 at 5:52 AM

rayra on January 31, 2013 at 4:08 AM

Taking a cue from the Cordoba mosque.

Cleombrotus on January 31, 2013 at 5:53 AM

canopfor on January 31, 2013 at 5:47 AM

yup, called Squirrel! action

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morning cleo :)

cmsinaz on January 31, 2013 at 5:54 AM

cmsinaz on January 31, 2013 at 5:54 AM

Mornin’, cms. Still dry in AZ?

Cleombrotus on January 31, 2013 at 5:57 AM

(an expansion of my earlier vent from another thread)

Is there any field of human activity, other than immigration, wherein these scumbags propose that rewarding the criminals with their ill-gotten goods (residency or presence in our country) is a solution to rampant illegality?

Maybe rewarding convicted burglars with the stolen jewels???

A pox on these “GOP” elected officials, running like lemmings over the amnesty cliff, chasing the mythical monolithic Hispanic vote by proposing rewarding criminals with their stolen goods.

They will never out-pander the Democrats.

Too bad, as 40% of Hispanics reject amnesty (While not that many more – 54% – prefer amnesty.). I would think that any GOP candidate would be ecstatic with 40% of “the (sic) Hispanic vote”.

And what a slap in the face to the 40% who respect our laws, assuming that all Hispanics approve of rewarding criminal behavior!

PERFIDY (pur’ fi dee) an act of treachery or duplicity

example: In the 2006 version of the McCain-Kennedy “Comprehensive” Amnesty bill, the Z visa was the amnesty mechanism. Upon application for the Z visa, a clock started running. 90 calendar days later, the illegal alien applicant would get AUTOMATIC residency, a green card, and permission to leave and re-enter the US (sounds like a citizen’s passport, eh?) if the FBI could not complete a criminal background check and DHHS did not complete a test for MDR tuberculosis, etc. Many complained that 90 days was not long enough for the FBI to conduct 12 to 20 million background checks.

So McCain changed the waiting period in the (twice defeated) 2007 version of his bill – to a single business day!

And now McCain, with his understudy Rubio, are leading the lemming GOP over the cliff again.

fred5678 on January 31, 2013 at 6:01 AM

Cleombrotus on January 31, 2013 at 5:57 AM

yup :)

had a little wet stuff over the weekend…

cmsinaz on January 31, 2013 at 6:01 AM

lol. morning joe crew realizes jon stewart asked tougher questions to Al Gore then they did…

idiots…

cmsinaz on January 31, 2013 at 6:03 AM

morning joe crew bashing a female gun advocate from yesterday’s hearing…classy

cmsinaz on January 31, 2013 at 6:05 AM

how many times will morning joe say the ‘survivalist wing of the nra’ this am…

cmsinaz on January 31, 2013 at 6:17 AM

Evolution or flip flop? Marco Rubio journey from bashing “amnesty” to backing citizenship pathway

National Journal’s Beth Reinhard (our erstwhile colleague who draws on her coverage of Sen. Marco Rubio’s 2010 race):

Arizona Sen. John McCain partnered with liberal Democrat Ted Kennedy in 2005 to offer illegal immigrants a pathway to citizenship, then allied with border security hardliners during a tough 2010 Republican primary. “Complete the danged fence,” McCain cracked in a widely publicized television spot.

Less well known is the equally dramatic pivot by Marco Rubio, from 2010 candidate who dismissed McCain’s proposal as “amnesty,” to U.S. senator who on Monday championed reforms McCain said had “very little difference” from his previous plan, which became the blueprint for failed legislation in 2006 and 2007.

During a March 28, 2010 Fox News debate against then-Gov. Charlie Crist, Rubio said: “He would have voted for the McCain plan. I think that plan is wrong, and the reason I think it’s wrong is that if you grant amnesty, as the governor proposes that we do, in any form, whether it’s back of the line or so forth, you will destroy any chance we will ever have of having a legal immigration system that works here in America.”

bazil9 on January 31, 2013 at 6:19 AM

From yesterdays Liberal Gun WitchHunt Senate thingy!

Dick Durbin vs. Wayne LaPierre On Gun Control

Wayne LaPierre of the National Rifle Association and Sen. Dick Durbin (D-Ill.) have a heated argument about guns during a Senate hearing on gun violence on Wednesday.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2013/01/30/dick_durbin_vs_wayne_lapierre_on_gun_control.html

canopfor on January 31, 2013 at 6:21 AM

bazil9 on January 31, 2013 at 6:19 AM

good ones B9

canopfor on January 31, 2013 at 6:21 AM

dickie is an idiot…

cmsinaz on January 31, 2013 at 6:27 AM

morning joe crew bashing a female gun advocate from yesterday’s hearing…classy

cmsinaz on January 31, 2013 at 6:05 AM

If “bashing” means playing back the profoundly wacky statements from the gun fetishists; then you are right.

And the peace of mind she has … knowing she has a scary-looking gun gives her more courage when she’s fighting hardened violent criminals.

“Scary looking guns”?

If we have to tolerate the occasional slaughter of moviegoers and first graders so that people can own “scary looking guns” then ours is a very sick society, indeed.

chumpThreads on January 31, 2013 at 6:27 AM

chumpThreads on January 31, 2013 at 6:27 AM

they called her a jacka$$…

those folks had mental health issues, you’re going to penalize the majority for the minority….and the gun slaughter that happens on daily basis in chicago are not by owners with scary looking guns,

cmsinaz on January 31, 2013 at 6:31 AM

chumpThreads on January 31, 2013 at 6:27 AM

310,000,000 legally owned guns in America didn’t slaughter school children or moviegoers yesterday.

And the odds are good they won’t today, either.

Cleombrotus on January 31, 2013 at 6:33 AM

now kelley is reporting that rubio wants a path to a green card, not a path to citizenship….

cmsinaz on January 31, 2013 at 6:34 AM

Morning cms. :)

bazil9 on January 31, 2013 at 6:35 AM

DHS suggests that we use scissors to defend ourselves against crminals with guns if they should raid our houses….

okay….

cmsinaz on January 31, 2013 at 6:35 AM

And the peace of mind she has … knowing she has a scary-looking gun gives her more courage when she’s fighting hardened violent criminals.

As opposed to what? Her bare hands? The kitchen knife?

Yeah. I’d say a scary looking gun would give ME more courage against hardened criminals too.

An I’m a former Marine.

Cleombrotus on January 31, 2013 at 6:37 AM

B9 :)

another beautiful day in the neighborhood

cmsinaz on January 31, 2013 at 6:37 AM

cmsinaz on January 31, 2013 at 6:35 AM

You just gave me a hernia…

bazil9 on January 31, 2013 at 6:38 AM

morning canopfor, it looks like its just you and me kid for a little while…

cmsinaz on January 31, 2013 at 5:52 AM

cmsinaz:Lol,yup,sorry for the delay,i was Info-Gathering:)

canopfor on January 31, 2013 at 6:38 AM

“Scary looking guns”?
If we have to tolerate the occasional slaughter of moviegoers and first graders so that people can own “scary looking guns” then ours is a very sick society, indeed.
chumpThreads on January 31, 2013 at 6:27 AM

What? You think we’re a HEALTHY society NOW? That’s WHY we need scary looking guns.

Cleombrotus on January 31, 2013 at 6:43 AM

O/t: “Obama’s Gun Control Initiative: Chicago Beats New York in Number of 2012 Homicides. Obama Ignores.” My take.

kingsjester on January 31, 2013 at 6:44 AM

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm………..

I wonder if AP has a generator,
er wait,scratch that,hope AP is
unscathed!(Snark):)

5,610 customers are without power in the New York City area as storm moves through the region, utilities company Con Edison says – @NBCNews

3 mins ago by editor

canopfor on January 31, 2013 at 6:45 AM

bazil9 on January 31, 2013 at 6:38 AM

:)
good ol’ Janet strikes again…

cmsinaz on January 31, 2013 at 6:46 AM

canopfor on January 31, 2013 at 6:45 AM

Not surprised. It was coming down in sheets last night.

Cleombrotus on January 31, 2013 at 6:49 AM

canopfor on January 31, 2013 at 6:38 AM

its all good

kingsjester on January 31, 2013 at 6:44 AM

exactamundo KJ, he should begin at home…

cmsinaz on January 31, 2013 at 6:49 AM

chumpThreads on January 31, 2013 at 6:27 AM

Your right, our society is really sick, because we tolerate the daily slaughter of children so some women can have peace of mind that their personal rights won’t be violated!

MarshFox on January 31, 2013 at 6:49 AM

they called her a jacka$$…

Perhaps because the shoe fits…

Despite her strong emphasis on the need to prevent violent crimes against women at home, Trotter is an outspoken opponent of the Violence Against Women Act, a law designed to aid women faced with domestic violence.

Because ex-husbands and boyfriends never attack women.
I believe a woman or any person is entitled to own a weapon for personal defense. No one should be allowed to own a arsenal.

those folks had mental health issues

Yet they had the means to kill in high numbers because they had access to military-style weapons and high capacity magazines/clips.

you’re going to penalize the majority for the minority….

Nonsese. You are not being “penalized” because you are not allowed to own a machine gun. Nor will you be penalized by the enactment of reasonable restraints on magazine capacity, universal background checks and the banning of certain styles of weapons.

and the gun slaughter that happens on daily basis in chicago are not by owners with scary looking guns,

cmsinaz on January 31, 2013 at 6:31 AM

Gun crime remains an intractable problem in this country.

chumpThreads on January 31, 2013 at 6:51 AM

cmsinaz on January 31, 2013 at 6:49 AM

A glaring omission, don’t you think?

kingsjester on January 31, 2013 at 6:52 AM

Wait, maybe I should have put the irony/sarc tag on the end of my statement so you would understand I was using your argument for abortion, just in case you didn’t get that from the above thread!

MarshFox on January 31, 2013 at 6:53 AM

Gun crime remains an intractable problem in this country.

chumpThreads on January 31, 2013 at 6:51 AM

Yes, it does. Especially, in Obama’s Hometown. But, the answer is not taking law-abiding Americans’ guns away.

kingsjester on January 31, 2013 at 6:54 AM

chumpThreads on January 31, 2013 at 6:51 AM

Have you ever been in a gun fight?

MarshFox on January 31, 2013 at 6:55 AM

Gun crime remains an intractable problem in this country.
chumpThreads on January 31, 2013 at 6:51 AM

Gun crimes have increased as gun control laws have increased, you know.

Cleombrotus on January 31, 2013 at 6:55 AM

Evolution or flip flop? Marco Rubio journey from bashing “amnesty” to backing citizenship pathway

bazil9 on January 31, 2013 at 6:19 AM

I call it, “fear” – I think term limits are probably a very good antidote to it, too! :)

Wouldn’t you love to hear a GOP politician try to defend not supporting term limits?

Anti-Control on January 31, 2013 at 6:57 AM

Your right, our society is really sick, because we tolerate the daily slaughter of children so some women can have peace of mind that their personal rights won’t be violated!

MarshFox on January 31, 2013 at 6:49 AM

Sorry, I’m not going down the abortion trail this morning.

chumpThreads on January 31, 2013 at 6:58 AM

Gun crimes have increased as gun control laws have increased, you know.

Cleombrotus on January 31, 2013 at 6:55 AM

Are you saying correlation equates to causation?

chumpThreads on January 31, 2013 at 6:59 AM

bazil9 on January 31, 2013 at 6:19 AM

incredible. he was for it, before he was against it. just incredible.

renalin on January 31, 2013 at 7:01 AM

Guns don’t kill people……Politicians that infringe the rights of citizens to defend themselves…..kill people.

Viva Uninfringed rights to defend ourselves!

PappyD61 on January 31, 2013 at 7:01 AM

Very Interesting Data Related to Gun Control………

News You Can Use..Sickening but true???.

It appears to me we should join the current hysteria and
suggest the evidence shows that all registered Democrats
should be confiscated. We know who they are- ~ they’re
registered!

—- Why is it that none of the disturbed and evil men,
who steal guns, then go and kill
movie-goers and children in school, has ever been
identified as a conservative
NRA member?

Ft Hood~~~ Registered Democrat ~ Muslim

Columbine ~~~ Too young to vote; both families were
registered
Democrats and progressive liberals

Virginia Tech ~~~ Wrote hate mail to President Bush and
to his staff ~
Registered Democrat

Colorado Theater ~~~ Registered Democrat; staff worker
on the Obama
campaign; Occupy
Wall Street participant;
progressive liberal

Connecticut School Shooter- ~~~ Registered Democrat;
hated Christians,

Common thread is that all of these shooters were
progressive liberal Democrats.”

INTERESTING, isn’t it?

Where is the media in this outrage?

Cleombrotus on January 31, 2013 at 7:04 AM

chumpThreads on January 31, 2013 at 6:58 AM

No problem, again have you ever been in a gun fight?

MarshFox on January 31, 2013 at 7:05 AM

chumpThreads on January 31, 2013 at 6:59 AM

No, goofy. I’m saying that the problem isn’t being corrected by more and more gun control laws.

The problem isn’t guns.

Cleombrotus on January 31, 2013 at 7:06 AM

chumpThreads on January 31, 2013 at 6:51 AM

criminals are not going to go through a background check….you are penalizing the majority who are law abiding, those folks will go through all that crapola and the criminals and those with mental health issues will still get the guns and cause mayhem…

cmsinaz on January 31, 2013 at 7:07 AM

kingsjester on January 31, 2013 at 6:52 AM

indeed

cmsinaz on January 31, 2013 at 7:08 AM

No problem, again have you ever been in a gun fight?

MarshFox on January 31, 2013 at 7:05 AM

No, I haven’t.

I’ve never been skydiving either, or bungee jumping, if that helps.

chumpThreads on January 31, 2013 at 7:09 AM

renalin on January 31, 2013 at 7:01 AM

He got my vote then, will not again.
He said what he needed to for the win-
typical lying poli.
He also had the help of the Tea Party-which he made sure
he distanced himself from right after.
Words..just words my friends.

bazil9 on January 31, 2013 at 7:10 AM

Where is the media in this outrage?

Cleombrotus on January 31, 2013 at 7:04 AM

*crickets chirping*

cmsinaz on January 31, 2013 at 7:10 AM

cmsinaz on January 31, 2013 at 7:10 AM

No. I’d settle for crickets chirping rather than their reframing the debate in such a way as if it IS the NRA’s fault.

They’re lying scum propagandist traitors.

Cleombrotus on January 31, 2013 at 7:12 AM

*snip* I’m saying that the problem isn’t being corrected by more and more gun control laws.

It didn’t sound like that’s what you were saying.

The problem isn’t guns.

Cleombrotus on January 31, 2013 at 7:06 AM

And I’m sure you believe that.

chumpThreads on January 31, 2013 at 7:13 AM

Very Interesting Data Related to Gun Control………

News You Can Use..Sickening but true???.

It appears to me we should join the current hysteria and
suggest the evidence shows that all registered Democrats
should be confiscated. We know who they are- ~ they’re
registered!

—- Why is it that none of the disturbed and evil men,
who steal guns, then go and kill
movie-goers and children in school, has ever been
identified as a conservative
NRA member?

Ft Hood~~~ Registered Democrat ~ Muslim

Columbine ~~~ Too young to vote; both families were
registered
Democrats and progressive liberals

Virginia Tech ~~~ Wrote hate mail to President Bush and
to his staff ~
Registered Democrat

Colorado Theater ~~~ Registered Democrat; staff worker
on the Obama
campaign; Occupy
Wall Street participant;
progressive liberal

Connecticut School Shooter- ~~~ Registered Democrat;
hated Christians,

Common thread is that all of these shooters were
progressive liberal Democrats.”

INTERESTING, isn’t it?

Where is the media in this outrage?

Cleombrotus on January 31, 2013 at 7:04 AM

You’re really fixated on the “correlation equal causation” thing, aren’t you?

Otherwise, what does any of the above have to do with anything?

chumpThreads on January 31, 2013 at 7:17 AM

chumpThreads on January 31, 2013 at 7:13 AM

Please produce evidence that

a. Criminals obey laws.

b. Guns fire on their own.

kingsjester on January 31, 2013 at 7:18 AM

He got my vote then, will not again.
He said what he needed to for the win-
typical lying poli.

He also had the help of the Tea Party-which he made sure
he distanced himself from right after.
Words..just words my friends.

bazil9 on January 31, 2013 at 7:10 AM

I see it, and GOP politicians like him, differently – I believe he meant what he said when he first said it, but once in office, he got cold feet due to fear about being seen as “mean,” so he backtracked from his principles and started rationalizing in order to appear “reasonable” to low-info voters.

Anti-Control on January 31, 2013 at 7:20 AM

Good point cleo

cmsinaz on January 31, 2013 at 7:24 AM

chumpThreads on January 31, 2013 at 7:09 AM

I have, so when you start talking about reduced magazine size, banning certain types of weapons, and please don’t get me started on background checks. So we’ll start with mag size, first when in a gun fight, adrenalin is flowing, even the most well trained shooter can miss, because trust me being shot at will do that too you. So if you have a low capacity mag, now your out and may not have put them down, and you can arbitrarily tell me how much my life is worth, don’t think so. Shooters and scary guns, these guys are cowards on mad power trips, you shoot back they will stop, why, because they don’t want the pain that comes with being shot, or they don’t want caught, which is why they take their own life because better to die by their own hand so much cooler that way then being dragged in court and exposed or sent to prison, and well that can lead anywhere. Scary guns, yeah works as a deterant as well, scares the bad guys plus gives you confidence which helps steady you in those extreme situations. By the way, there were no machine guns used in any of these shootings, and you already have to have a license and exhaustive checks to have a full auto, legally anyway. So now, why is it ok to infringe on my right to defend myself and be armed as I see fit against both villain and tyrant? None of which will stop the next mass shooting.

MarshFox on January 31, 2013 at 7:26 AM

chumpThreads on January 31, 2013 at 7:09 AM

Btw, no assault weapons have been used yet either.

MarshFox on January 31, 2013 at 7:30 AM

I have, so when you start talking about reduced magazine size, banning certain types of weapons, and please don’t get me started on background checks. So we’ll start with mag size, first when in a gun fight, adrenalin is flowing, even the most well trained shooter can miss, because trust me being shot at will do that too you. So if you have a low capacity mag, now your out and may not have put them down, and you can arbitrarily tell me how much my life is worth, don’t think so. Shooters and scary guns, these guys are cowards on mad power trips, you shoot back they will stop, why, because they don’t want the pain that comes with being shot, or they don’t want caught, which is why they take their own life because better to die by their own hand so much cooler that way then being dragged in court and exposed or sent to prison, and well that can lead anywhere. Scary guns, yeah works as a deterant as well, scares the bad guys plus gives you confidence which helps steady you in those extreme situations. By the way, there were no machine guns used in any of these shootings, and you already have to have a license and exhaustive checks to have a full auto, legally anyway. So now, why is it ok to infringe on my right to defend myself and be armed as I see fit against both villain and tyrant? None of which will stop the next mass shooting.

MarshFox on January 31, 2013 at 7:26 AM

As I’ve said before, in America, moviegoers, mall patrons and first-graders will be sacrificed on the altar of the 2nd Amendment so that armchair revolutionaries, gun fetishists, fake commandos and paranoid preppers can stockpile all the guns and ammo they want.

Even the most reasonable constraints on magazine size equates to “they’re trying to take my guns away!” Forget the sippery slope. It’s a zero sum game in the eyes of the NRA.

If a few school kids have to go down occasionally, it’s worth it so people like you will have the ability to fight the U.S. military with small arms, or fight off the inevitable zombie apocalypse.

This is America now.
This is how we are.

chumpThreads on January 31, 2013 at 7:40 AM

Otherwise, what does any of the above have to do with anything?

chumpThreads on January 31, 2013 at 7:17 AM

Oh? yet you want to maintain an even more nebulous connection with magazine size, appearances of certain weapons, etc. with gun violence?

You, Mr. Chump, are a cult member. Face it. Ideology trumps everything for you.

Cleombrotus on January 31, 2013 at 7:41 AM

chumpThreads on January 31, 2013 at 7:40 AM

Actually, none of it has to happen if more people are armed and you show a presence at all those places, then it is actually a plus, because you have better educated people and a politer society.

MarshFox on January 31, 2013 at 7:44 AM

chumpThreads on January 31, 2013 at 7:40 AM

Though I own a revolver-so no magazines for me-I stand it total agreement w/ MarshFox. My weapon is there to protect me from criminals-AND tyrants.

annoyinglittletwerp on January 31, 2013 at 7:51 AM

Less well known is the equally dramatic pivot by Marco Rubio, from 2010 candidate who dismissed McCain’s proposal as “amnesty,” to U.S. senator who on Monday championed reforms McCain said had “very little difference” from his previous plan, which became the blueprint for failed legislation in 2006 and 2007.

bazil9 on January 31, 2013 at 6:19 AM

Lesser well known is his pivot from being speaker of the FL house where he made sure no enforcement bills got to the floor to the 2010 stance you mentioned above. He’s always been an open borders amnesty guy, he just hoodwinked everyone to get elected. Shades of “build the danged fence” McCain circa before 2010 election.

TxAnn56 on January 31, 2013 at 7:53 AM

now kelley is reporting that rubio wants a path to a green card, not a path to citizenship….

cmsinaz on January 31, 2013 at 6:34 AM

Oh, ok then. /s

Mr. Arrogant on January 31, 2013 at 7:56 AM

Lesser well known is his pivot from being speaker of the FL house where he made sure no enforcement bills got to the floor to the 2010 stance you mentioned above. He’s always been an open borders amnesty guy, he just hoodwinked everyone to get elected. Shades of “build the danged fence” McCain circa before 2010 election.

TxAnn56 on January 31, 2013 at 7:53 AM

Did you ever hear him try to explain that?

Anti-Control on January 31, 2013 at 7:58 AM

Yabadabadooo

tommy71 on January 31, 2013 at 8:02 AM

Actually, none of it has to happen if more people are armed and you show a presence at all those places, then it is actually a plus, because you have better educated people and a politer society.

MarshFox on January 31, 2013 at 7:44 AM

Yeah, because we all want America to resemble places like Somalia or Caracas where every office, every store, every gas station, every school, etc has an armed guard or two in front of it.

Forget “an armed society is a polite society”. An armed society is a paranoid society where people look at each other with suspicion as they try to figure out who’s the good guy and who’s the bad guy.
Accidently or deliberately flashing one’s piece will become the new dick-measuring standard of manhood and there will be an arms race for scarier and scarier looking guns.

No, I don’t want to live in a society like that, nor do the vast majority of Americans, I think.

chumpThreads on January 31, 2013 at 8:02 AM

the GOP can consistently earn 35%-40% among Hispanics. Having Sen. Marco Rubio as the GOP spokesman on immigration issues will hasten the GOP recovery.

Look, I know that the WSJ guys are open borders are great/those who oppose them are racist, but this bit of hackery is still risible. It would be more honest for them to say “Hey, we like getting our lawns done cheaply” and be done with it.

Physics Geek on January 31, 2013 at 8:03 AM

Yeah, because we all want America to resemble places like Somalia or Caracas where every office, every store, every gas station, every school, etc has an armed guard or two in front of it.

chumpThreads on January 31, 2013 at 8:02 AM

Good to see that you’re an anti-illegal immigration guy like we are, Chump.

Cleombrotus on January 31, 2013 at 8:06 AM

Did you ever hear him try to explain that?

Anti-Control on January 31, 2013 at 7:58 AM

Never. I guess because the conservative media is too afraid to question him. I actually sent him $25 when he was running until my brother informed me of his dubious past as speaker, then I called the campaign HQ and demanded my money back. To their credit, they refunded me the money. Amnesty = dealbreaker for me.

TxAnn56 on January 31, 2013 at 8:07 AM

Good to see that you’re an anti-illegal immigration guy like we are, Chump.

Cleombrotus on January 31, 2013 at 8:06 AM

You stopped making sense three posts back.

Quit while you’re behind.

chumpThreads on January 31, 2013 at 8:10 AM

Could we have a Rubio-free day, HotGas? He and the Maverick are boring.

tommy71 on January 31, 2013 at 8:11 AM

chumpThreads on January 31, 2013 at 8:02 AM

Good, then just pass those type laws in your state, and I will live in mine, you see that was the whole purpose of this experiment we call America, sovereign states bonded together for mutual security from outside menaces, but free to govern independent of the federal government within their own borders. One other point, the shooter picked the targets they did for a reason, it was because they wouldn’t face resistance, period! The more sheep dogs you have out, the less the wolves will attack, and if they don’t know who is, they can’t calculate strength, so therefore they either quit, or move to where they can.

MarshFox on January 31, 2013 at 8:16 AM

Against:

1. Passing a bill that makes illegals legal, effectively making them citizens even if there is some fake waiting period after that that means little or nothing;

2. Passing a bill that doesn’t secure the border;

3. Living in a country where the people in Congress actually have the pearls to pass laws in two sections, where the second section begins with anything remotely like, “If anyone actually did the first part we wrote, this part is valid”;

4. Trying to sacrifice this Rubio fellow like a sacrificial lamb, claiming it was his job to fix the problem and he somehow mucked it up, when the people sacrificing him are cowardly ghouls that wouldn’t fix the problem themselves and have been eying his boots the whole time he’s been shoved forward;

*poof*

Axe on January 31, 2013 at 2:17 AM

I’m not a huge fan of Rubio, but throwing him into a meat grinder seems wrong, tasty, but wrong.

Fallon on January 31, 2013 at 8:16 AM

annoyinglittletwerp on January 31, 2013 at 7:51 AM

Don’t forget Spawn:)

MarshFox on January 31, 2013 at 8:17 AM

Never. I guess because the conservative media is too afraid to question him.

I really want to see him asked!

I actually sent him $25 when he was running until my brother informed me of his dubious past as speaker, then I called the campaign HQ and demanded my money back. To their credit, they refunded me the money.

That looks awful if they refunded your money without being able to defend him. :(

Amnesty = dealbreaker for me.

TxAnn56 on January 31, 2013 at 8:07 AM

There are a lot of people like you – if the GOP doesn’t get its act together on this and the debt ceiling, how could anyone honestly believe it’s going to survive?

Anti-Control on January 31, 2013 at 8:19 AM

You stopped making sense three posts back.

chumpThreads on January 31, 2013 at 8:10 AM

Well, at least you admit it. I’ll give you that much.

Cleombrotus on January 31, 2013 at 8:20 AM

“Scary looking guns”?

If we have to tolerate the occasional slaughter of moviegoers and first graders so that people can own “scary looking guns” then ours is a very sick society, indeed.

chumpThreads on January 31, 2013 at 6:27 AM

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No, you need to learn how to use “scary looking guns” to prevent the next “slaughter of moviegoers and first graders”.

listens2glenn on January 31, 2013 at 8:32 AM

listens2glenn on January 31, 2013 at 8:32 AM

No, he thinks that restricting guns from the law abiding will protect us from the sicker members of our society.

But he’s the logical one here. /

Cleombrotus on January 31, 2013 at 8:38 AM

Chump, you never answered me. I’m on your “I’ll ignore him because I can’t answer his question without looking like the Liberal idiot that I am” list, now. Aren’t I?

That’s okay. Has Mama fixed your bowl of Frankenberries, yet?

kingsjester on January 31, 2013 at 8:44 AM

Could we have a Rubio-free day, HotGas? He and the Maverick are boring.
tommy71 on January 31, 2013 at 8:11 AM

Amen to that! MORE EGGS!!

can_con on January 31, 2013 at 8:49 AM

As I’ve said before, in America, moviegoers, mall patrons and first-graders will be sacrificed on the altar of the 2nd Amendment so that armchair revolutionaries, gun fetishists, fake commandos and paranoid preppers can stockpile all the guns and ammo they want.

Even the most reasonable constraints on magazine size equates to “they’re trying to take my guns away!” Forget the sippery slope. It’s a zero sum game in the eyes of the NRA.

If a few school kids have to go down occasionally, it’s worth it so people like you will have the ability to fight the U.S. military with small arms, or fight off the inevitable zombie apocalypse.

This is America now.
This is how we are.

chumpThreads on January 31, 2013 at 7:40 AM

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“Reasonable” and “magazine restrictions” are mutually exclusive.

Defying the government does NOT mean fighting the military.

BTW, how much more arms and ammo do “paranoid preppers” have to stockpile before you flee the country?

listens2glenn on January 31, 2013 at 8:49 AM

kingsjester on January 31, 2013 at 8:44 AM

Just a game to them KJ, just a game, they want to get folks riled and then make fun, use names, those kinda things. I was quite impressed with his names that he offhandedly used to discredit me, seeing as how anyone who regularly post here knows what I do for a living, and how I feel about that, but hey, it is truly all about pranking people, nothing more nothing less.

MarshFox on January 31, 2013 at 8:54 AM

chumpThreads on January 31, 2013 at 8:10 AM

Can you at least agree that if a weapon with less recoil which is easier to handle for the average women or senior is available, said person will have a greater chance of defending themselves should the need arise?

Do you prefer they use a shotgun which will more than likely either take the persons head off completely, or use a .223 caliber weapon which actually may drop an attacker but leave them with a chance of living.

Pro-choice extends to all choices, not just “reproductive health”.

can_con on January 31, 2013 at 8:55 AM

MarshFox on January 31, 2013 at 8:54 AM

Yep. And, disrupting Conservative Conversation.

kingsjester on January 31, 2013 at 8:57 AM

Anti-Control on January 31, 2013 at 7:20 AM

Sorry Anti, I disagree.
I witnessed him serving here under Jeb.

This isn’t the only issue I have disagreed with him over
but like TXann- a deal breaker for me.

bazil9 on January 31, 2013 at 8:58 AM

kingsjester on January 31, 2013 at 8:57 AM

Yeah, well, such is the world we live in these day, statesmen live no longer, rugged individualism is seen as a collectively unacceptable, and passivity is the new hotness!

MarshFox on January 31, 2013 at 9:03 AM

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