Quotes of the day

posted at 10:31 pm on January 30, 2013 by Allahpundit

Sen. Marco Rubio is having a moment. He’s a charismatic senator from a battleground state whose Cuban heritage and support for immigration reform are helping his party begin a new courtship with Hispanic voters. This much we know. But Rubio is exploiting an opportunity that goes beyond simply good timing and the right last name. He is getting the chance to be first at bat in a larger effort: the post-election audition for GOP leadership. Of all the would-be Republican stars—and the list is long and likely to grow—Rubio is getting a chance to show exactly what it looks like to move the party in a new direction…

The most important political skill is midwifery. The leader who moves the Republican Party into a new era, where it is more attractive to middle-class voters, minorities, and younger voters, will need to communicate a vision as well as communicate back to the base how he is not selling out the party’s core principles. In this effort, Rubio will get a crack at showing key presidential governing skills—the ability to nurse complex legislation by identifying common interests with Democrats while working with Republicans friends through a mixture of cajoling, flattery, and strong-arming.

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Sen. Marco Rubio of Florida, an unlikely ally of Obama’s on this issue, appeared on Rush Limbaugh’s radio show on Tuesday and recognized the Right’s discomfort with easing immigration laws. Like Obama, his defense of immigration reform seemed to be yoked to American exceptionalism.

“It doesn’t feel right in some instances to allow people who have come here undocumented to be able to stay. I know some people are uncomfortable with that notion,” said Rubio, a son of immigrants. “But I would just say this to you: If this country goes downhill, there’s nowhere else in the world. There’s nothing else. There’s no replacement for it. There’s no alternative for America. It’s either us or no one.”

And so perhaps now Republicans in Congress have two reasons to cast a risky vote in favor of conditional amnesty. The first, of course, is the fact that 70 percent of Hispanic and Asian voters supported Obama in the 2012 election, a reflection of a demographic tsunami threatening to destroy the GOP. The second is that, setting aside blind prejudice and “us-versus-them” mentalities, immigration reform is essentially conservative.

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It seems the conservatives who are most skeptical of immigration reform don’t oppose the merits of Rubio’s framework, so much as they simply refuse to believe it would ever be enacted or enforced.

In other words, they simply don’t trust that the law will be obeyed. They believe Democrats can do whatever they want, and the best conservatives can hope for is to slow them down and not give them any ideas.

This is very destructive for democracy. I wish I could say the cynicism and paranoia was entirely unfounded.

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Rubio’s bill is nothing but amnesty. It isn’t even “amnesty thinly disguised as border enforcement.” This is a wolf in wolf’s clothing

The only thing the newly legalized illegal immigrants won’t get immediately is citizenship. Rubio claims that under his plan, they won’t be able to vote or go on welfare. But in practice, they’ll have to wait only until the ACLU finds a judge to say otherwise…

With Hispanics on track to become the largest ethnic group in California this year, the state that gave us Richard Nixon and Ronald Reagan is incapable of electing any Republican statewide anymore. Taxes keep going up, and there’s no one left to pay the bill.

That will be our entire country if Republicans fall for Rubio’s phony “Enforcement First!” plan. Perplexingly, some Republicans seem determined to turn the whole nation into California, in the foolish hope of winning one last election.

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“There are Republicans who will tear up their Republican voting cards over this,” said Dan Stein, the president of the Federation for American Immigration Reform, which opposes the bill.

Rubio is widely considered to be among the party’s top-tier contenders in 2016, but this wasn’t necessarily a fight he needed to be involved in. Not only does the effort contain the chance of angering hardcore primary voters, but Rubio, the son of Cuban exiles, would be able to get Hispanic voters and those pushing for a more moderating voice on immigration within the party merely by his presence.

“Rubio has tried to neutralize [the anger on the right] because of the credibility he has with Tea Party folks, but once real measures are put down in black and white you are going to see the bloggers and talk-show hosts on the right become less and less polite,” said Mark Krikorian, the director of the Center for Immigration Studies, which is devoted to limited immigration. “Rubio’s stock among conservatives is going to start going down over the next six months, and I think he has pretty much doomed his chances for 2016.”

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At least two 2012 polls provided some evidence that support for large-scale immigration alienates white voters.

Fifty-seven percent of “white working-class Americans … agree that illegal immigrants taking jobs that would otherwise be filled by American citizens are responsible for our current economic problems,” said an August survey of 2,501 Americans by the Public Religion Research Institute…

That poll was echoed by a Quinnipiac University poll whose results are a mirror of the Latino Decisions survey.

Quinnipiac’s poll showed that 27 percent of voters in Ohio and Pennsylvania said Obama’s de facto amnesty policy made them less likely to vote for the president’s re-election. Only 11.5 percent of voters in the two states said the policy made them more supportive of Obama, said the survey.

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Public attitudes about immigration: Immigration policy is not a top priority for the U.S. general public or for Hispanics. According to a recent survey of U.S. adults, 39% said that dealing with the issue of illegal immigration should be a top priority for the president and the Congress, placing 17th on a list of policy priorities (Pew Research Center, 2013). For Hispanics, one-third said the issue of immigration was extremely important to them personally, behind issues like the economy and jobs, education and health care (Lopez and Gonzalez-Barrera, 2012).

Attitudes about immigration policy priorities: Among U.S. adults, 28% say the priority for dealing with illegal immigration should be given to tighter restrictions on illegal immigration while 27% say creating a path to citizenship should be the priority. A plurality (42%) says both tactics should be given equal priority. (Pew Research Center for the People & the Press, 2012). Latinos are more likely than the general public (42% versus 27%) to say the priority should be a path to citizenship for immigrants who are in the U.S. illegally. Just 10% of Latinos say priority should be given to better border security and enforcement. Latinos (46%) and the general public (42%) are about equally likely to say priority should be given to enforcement and legalization (Lopez, Gonzalez-Barrera and Motel, 2011).

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Yes, there will be fewer whites and more minorities in the future, and Republicans will have to adjust. But the situation is more complicated than that.

Start with the obvious: If demographics were determinative, then Republicans shouldn’t have gained 63 seats in the House of Representatives in 2010—the largest midterm shift since 1938—while also taking 30 governorships…

The major impediment is the harsh rhetoric of some Republicans regarding immigration. The solution is less about policy than about respect for the Hispanic community. If federal immigration law is reformed with substantial Republican support—including for a long and demanding but achievable process of earning legal status—the GOP can consistently earn 35%-40% among Hispanics. Having Sen. Marco Rubio as the GOP spokesman on immigration issues will hasten the GOP recovery.

Demography isn’t destiny because nothing is permanent in politics—and Democrats’ insistence to the contrary will likely lead them to overreach, ignoring issues such as jobs, anemic growth and deficits in order to tackle gun control and climate change.

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McCain said he hoped to get at least 80 votes for any bill that eventually comes to the floor, although he conceded that there would be naysayers…

If the issue isn’t resolved, McCain said that some states, like his own — which have large Hispanic populations — “will go from Republican to Democratic over time.”

“I think it’s a danger,” McCain said of Republicans permanently forfeiting the Hispanic vote.

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5. Chicks with last first names.

Axe on January 31, 2013 at 12:28 AM

I believe polls show that is the number 1 pet peeve of Americans. ;)

4Grace on January 31, 2013 at 12:34 AM

I know this is far fetched..But why doesn’t the USA put some pressure on Mexico to start “building” a middle class??..Seems like we have ever Tom, Dick and Harry in goverment trying to tell Israel what to do..This makes no sense..:)

Dire Straits on January 31, 2013 at 12:19 AM

Thought about this. “Why aren’t we nation-building Mexico?” I don’t mean a check — I mean Mexicans pissed at all the American strong-arming styled stuff. But maybe we are. It’s off my radar. :/

Are they too far away? I’m an American, and my geography is necessarily poor.

Axe on January 31, 2013 at 12:35 AM

Agreed..Not with Team Obie..:)

PS..I thought Team Dubya did a lot better..)

Dire Straits on January 31, 2013 at 12:30 AM

Obama has been brought to us by Dubya, so it’s all in how you look at it.

Igor R. on January 31, 2013 at 12:35 AM

John the Lib, I dislike Rubio and won’t support him for totally different reasons.

tommy71 on January 31, 2013 at 12:36 AM

4Grace on January 31, 2013 at 12:31 AM

Understandably, my mother’s death has kind of thrown me for a loop. Jews who don’t beleive in Jesus DO NOT go to hell period. Except for my short stint as a fundamentalist in the late 90′s-that belief has been constant. Unless your faith believes in murder and evil-islam-all paths lead to God.

annoyinglittletwerp on January 31, 2013 at 12:36 AM

AZfederalist on January 31, 2013 at 12:31 AM

Good evening, AZ. Nice to see you. How’s the eye doing?

4Grace on January 31, 2013 at 12:36 AM

AZfederalist on January 31, 2013 at 12:31 AM

ureSure seems that way..:)

PS..How is eveything going or you??..:)

Dire Straits on January 31, 2013 at 12:37 AM

Did Rubio vote yea on Senator Kerry For Sec. State?

Yah, I thought so.

Dismissed!

can_con on January 30, 2013 at 11:04 PM

You don’t get it. You have to ignore all the RINOisms for the sake of the Republic!

Well, to be fair we did it before with President Reagan on immigration reform, and his handling of Beirut/terrorism…throw in Iran-Contra for good measure. Being “better than” simply isn’t working any more. We need an anti-Obama on steroids to undo all the damage the Leftists and the RINO crooks have done.

Dr. ZhivBlago on January 31, 2013 at 12:37 AM

Igor, my son with the beautiful Russian ballerina is back!

PootyPoot on January 31, 2013 at 12:30 AM

Yeah, we are on “Dancing with the Red Stars” in a couple of weeks.

Igor R. on January 31, 2013 at 12:38 AM

Igor R. on January 31, 2013 at 12:35 AM

..:)

Dire Straits on January 31, 2013 at 12:38 AM

Igor R.

Meh. I don’t buy into birtherism a bit. Even though his parents weren’t citizens yet-though he was born here-Jindals’ eligible too.

annoyinglittletwerp on January 31, 2013 at 12:38 AM

Wait, bluegill was here??

Rusty Allen on January 31, 2013 at 12:29 AM

bluegill is always here

Even “Morgan”? I think that a great name.

Rusty Allen on January 31, 2013 at 12:31 AM

Well, Morgan, that’s a last first name.

Axe on January 31, 2013 at 12:38 AM

John the Lib, I dislike Rubio and won’t support him for totally different reasons.

tommy71 on January 31, 2013 at 12:36 AM

Rubio is the devil.

Igor R. on January 31, 2013 at 12:39 AM

5. Chicks with last first names.

Axe on January 31, 2013 at 12:28 AM

How bout chicks with first last names, like Ann Marie from That Girl?

TxAnn56 on January 31, 2013 at 12:39 AM

. . . first last name.

Screw it.

Axe on January 31, 2013 at 12:40 AM

Unless your faith believes in murder and evil-islam-all paths lead to God.

annoyinglittletwerp on January 31, 2013 at 12:36 AM

I will have to respectfully disagree.

4Grace on January 31, 2013 at 12:40 AM

Meh. I don’t buy into birtherism a bit. Even though his parents weren’t citizens yet-though he was born here-Jindals’ eligible too.

annoyinglittletwerp on January 31, 2013 at 12:38 AM

Do you realize that it’s not a matter of whether you buy into it? It’s a matter of whether it will dampen the enthusiasm for him or not.

Igor R. on January 31, 2013 at 12:41 AM

How bout chicks with first last names, like Ann Marie from That Girl?

TxAnn56 on January 31, 2013 at 12:39 AM

lol — No, no, I’m OK with that.

O! Animal Clothes!

Axe on January 31, 2013 at 12:42 AM

Wasn’t the emperor McVainius who sent out the invitation for the Goths to invade Rome after crossing the Rubio-con?

viking01 on January 31, 2013 at 12:44 AM

So how many years is it gonna take for the illegals to become citizens?

tommy71

About 5 seconds after they are made legal, no matter what Rubio or anyone else says. To do otherwise would be inhumane, of course.

Chemman- yep. People don’t know. The trails I see look like they drove cattle through. Ruby Rd north of nogales is littered with debris, trails. See it with my own eyes.

After a hard rain,, new tracks.

I’m going to tell you straight up. I live here, it’s no bullshit, they are coming over in hoardes.

I don’t know where they all go,, but here they pass by. In large numbers.

I can only report what I see.

wolly4321

Here’s video evidence in case anyone doubts you. Now, it’s from 2010, but I’m pretty sure little has changed.

http://cis.org/Videos/HiddenCameras2

xblade on January 31, 2013 at 12:45 AM

Meh. I don’t buy into birtherism a bit. Even though his parents weren’t citizens yet-though he was born here-Jindals’ eligible too.

annoyinglittletwerp on January 31, 2013 at 12:38 AM

The Constitution and it’s clear meaning is what you don’t “buy into”.

VorDaj on January 31, 2013 at 12:46 AM

Be careful around Uncle Fester. He was in on the Kennedy a/s/sasssination.

Resist We Much on January 30, 2013 at 11:52 PM

Wow, I thought I was the only one that figured that out!

4Grace on January 30, 2013 at 11:57 PM

Wow, I thought I was the only one that figured that out!

4Grace on January 30, 2013 at 11:57 PM

You, too???

Resist We Much on January 31, 2013 at 12:02 AM

Good grief, if you guys would just read my blog once in a while this wouldn’t be a shock to you. o_O

SWalker on January 31, 2013 at 12:46 AM

Rubio-con is the oldest con in the book.

Igor R. on January 31, 2013 at 12:46 AM

Igor R. on January 31, 2013 at 12:32 AM

Why don’t you read the law?

8 USC § 1401 – Nationals and citizens of United States at birth

The following shall be nationals and citizens of the United States at birth:

(a) a person born in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof;

(b) a person born in the United States to a member of an Indian, Eskimo, Aleutian, or other aboriginal tribe: Provided, That the granting of citizenship under this subsection shall not in any manner impair or otherwise affect the right of such person to tribal or other property;

(c) a person born outside of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents both of whom are citizens of the United States and one of whom has had a residence in the United States or one of its outlying possessions, prior to the birth of such person;

(d) a person born outside of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents one of whom is a citizen of the United States who has been physically present in the United States or one of its outlying possessions for a continuous period of one year prior to the birth of such person, and the other of whom is a national, but not a citizen of the United States;

(e) a person born in an outlying possession of the United States of parents one of whom is a citizen of the United States who has been physically present in the United States or one of its outlying possessions for a continuous period of one year at any time prior to the birth of such person;

(f) a person of unknown parentage found in the United States while under the age of five years, until shown, prior to his attaining the age of twenty-one years, not to have been born in the United States;

(g) a person born outside the geographical limits of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents one of whom is an alien, and the other a citizen of the United States who, prior to the birth of such person, was physically present in the United States or its outlying possessions for a period or periods totaling not less than five years, at least two of which were after attaining the age of fourteen years: Provided, That any periods of honorable service in the Armed Forces of the United States, or periods of employment with the United States Government or with an international organization as that term is defined in section 288 of title 22 by such citizen parent, or any periods during which such citizen parent is physically present abroad as the dependent unmarried son or daughter and a member of the household of a person

(A) honorably serving with the Armed Forces of the United States, or

(B) employed by the United States Government or an international organization as defined in section 288 of title 22, may be included in order to satisfy the physical-presence requirement of this paragraph. This proviso shall be applicable to persons born on or after December 24, 1952, to the same extent as if it had become effective in its present form on that date; and (h) a person born before noon (Eastern Standard Time) May 24, 1934, outside the limits and jurisdiction of the United States of an alien father and a mother who is a citizen of the United States who, prior to the birth of such person, had resided in the United States.

If you are born to an American citizen abroad, you ARE a natural-born American citizen and eligible to serve as POTUS. OTOH, as a naturalised American, I would never be eligible to serve as POTUS.

Birtherism is SOOOOO unattractive.

Period.

Story.

End of.

Resist We Much on January 31, 2013 at 12:48 AM

Wait, bluegill was here??

Rusty Allen on January 31, 2013 at 12:29 AM

The Preachers – “Who Do You Love”

From the description: “The Preachers on Shiveree with their well over the top version of this song: Were these guys the original Headbangers?

Anti-Control on January 31, 2013 at 12:49 AM

Good grief, if you guys would just read my blog once in a while this wouldn’t be a shock to you. o_O

SWalker on January 31, 2013 at 12:46 AM

It’s not a shock, dummy!

I know ALL about the Kennedy conspiracy. The CIA, MIC, KGB, CuIS, NVA, FBI, Jewish Mafia, Marcello, LBJ, Ed Clark, Billy Sol Estes, Clifton Carter, the Pentagon, USPHHS, Cutter Labs, the Secret Service, DPD, Howard Hunt, L, Ron Hubbard, the Black Panthers, SDS, PLO, Mossad, Morgus the Magnificient, Dr No, VRWC, Santa Claus, Bugs Bunny, George Jetson, Morticia Addams, Cousin Itt, Uncle Fester, Napoleon Solo, Illya Kullyakin, Phyllis Diller, the Rat Pack in retaliation for giving Marilyn a lethal Seconal enema, Major Bennett Marco, Raymond Shaw, Robert McNamara, John Seigenthaler, Sr., Mary Jo Kopechne, Jim Morrison, Jimi Hendrix, Micky Dolenz, Gary Powers, Elvis Presley, KKK, NSDAP, and a draq queen named Lypsinka were all in on it!

Resist We Much on January 31, 2013 at 12:50 AM

AZfederalist on January 31, 2013 at 12:31 AM

ureSure seems that way..:)

PS..How is eveything going for you??..:)

Dire Straits on January 31, 2013 at 12:37 AM

Fixed..:)

Dire Straits on January 31, 2013 at 12:51 AM

annoyinglittletwerp on January 31, 2013 at 12:22 AM

Not to be preachy or disrespectful, but each of us is responsible for our own soul, we can only provide the message to others, we can’t make them believe. The real concern should be for your own soul and its eternal home. You can’t be responsible for those who have heard of the promise fulfilled but who have rejected that message, any judgment with respect to that needs to be left in God’s hands.

AZfederalist on January 31, 2013 at 12:51 AM

Even though his parents weren’t citizens yet-though he was born here-

annoyinglittletwerp on January 31, 2013 at 12:38 AM

Doesn’t matter. Rubio’s not a natural born citizen, whether you buy into it or not. Period. He also happens to be a douchebag but that’s an extra-Constitutional issue.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on January 31, 2013 at 12:52 AM

Resist We Much on January 31, 2013 at 12:48 AM

Personally, I believe Cruz is a natural-born citizen. I was just saying that many don’t and that’s a factor.

Birtherism as it relates to Obama isn’t unattractive. At this point it has nothing to do with where he was born.

Igor R. on January 31, 2013 at 12:53 AM

SWalker on January 31, 2013 at 12:46 AM

It’s not a shock, dummy!

I know ALL about the Kennedy conspiracy. The CIA, MIC, KGB, CuIS, NVA, FBI, Jewish Mafia, Marcello, LBJ, Ed Clark, Billy Sol Estes, Clifton Carter, the Pentagon, USPHHS, Cutter Labs, the Secret Service, DPD, Howard Hunt, L, Ron Hubbard, the Black Panthers, SDS, PLO, Mossad, Morgus the Magnificient, Dr No, VRWC, Santa Claus, Bugs Bunny, George Jetson, Morticia Addams, Cousin Itt, Uncle Fester, Napoleon Solo, Illya Kullyakin, Phyllis Diller, the Rat Pack in retaliation for giving Marilyn a lethal Seconal enema, Major Bennett Marco, Raymond Shaw, Robert McNamara, John Seigenthaler, Sr., Mary Jo Kopechne, Jim Morrison, Jimi Hendrix, Micky Dolenz, Gary Powers, Elvis Presley, KKK, NSDAP, and a draq queen named Lypsinka were all in on it!

Resist We Much on January 31, 2013 at 12:50 AM

Oh, well since you figured out who half of them were, I guess there’s no need for me to fill in the rest of the blanks.

SWalker on January 31, 2013 at 12:53 AM

Do you realize that it’s not a matter of whether you buy into it? It’s a matter of whether it will dampen the enthusiasm for him or not.

Igor R. on January 31, 2013 at 12:41 AM

If he has to rely on the enthusiasm of people TOO BLOODY LAZY TO USE A SEARCH ENGINE TO FIND THE RELEVANT LAW (or even ask a lawyer like me for FREE), then he is FV(KED because they probably can’t be relied upon to use the engine in their cars to drive to the polls.

Resist We Much on January 31, 2013 at 12:54 AM

I Won’t Tell You No Lies – Buchanan

thatsafactjack on January 31, 2013 at 12:54 AM

Resist We Much on January 31, 2013 at 12:50 AM

Not sure about a couple of those, but Micky Dolenz was a MAJOR player.

4Grace on January 31, 2013 at 12:55 AM

Oh, well since you figured out who half of them were, I guess there’s no need for me to fill in the rest of the blanks.

SWalker on January 31, 2013 at 12:53 AM

Like I’m gonna show anything more than a liddle leg…

Resist We Much on January 31, 2013 at 12:55 AM

Cripes, HotGas kicked me out. Had to do the whole thing, and then log back in.

tommy71 on January 31, 2013 at 12:56 AM

bluegill is always here

Axe on January 31, 2013 at 12:38 AM

Chet Atkins – “Here, There, Everywhere”

Anti-Control on January 31, 2013 at 12:56 AM

Well folks, another day and QOTD in the books. Keep fighting the good fight. Better get to sleep in case tomorrow is the day that everything comes up Jackalope. Until then, signing off from mom’s basement.

Jackalope on January 31, 2013 at 12:56 AM

Dire Straits, QOTD Song. Hot seat over immigration.

Bmore on January 31, 2013 at 12:57 AM

OT/Fans of young Amy Lutz of Hot Air’s Green Room fame will perhaps be happy to notice she’s been released from treatment and has started her new, substance-abuse free life* by posting in the colonies, the refuge of many Great Purge surviving Green Room refugees.

*Neither substance abuse, substance abuse treatment, nor substance abuse freedom guaranteed.

Axe on January 31, 2013 at 12:57 AM

Nite, Jackalope. Nite to the baby too. :-)

tommy71 on January 31, 2013 at 12:58 AM

Personally, I believe Cruz is a natural-born citizen. I was just saying that many don’t and that’s a factor.

Then, they are either idiots or lazy. They can decide.

Birtherism as it relates to Obama isn’t unattractive. At this point it has nothing to do with where he was born.

Igor R. on January 31, 2013 at 12:53 AM

Nope. He had an American mum. He could have been born on the same day as I was in St Mary’s hospital in London and he would be a natural born citizen and I would not.

Resist We Much on January 31, 2013 at 12:58 AM

If he has to rely on the enthusiasm of people TOO BLOODY LAZY TO USE A SEARCH ENGINE TO FIND THE RELEVANT LAW (or even ask a lawyer like me for FREE), then he is FV(KED because they probably can’t be relied upon to use the engine in their cars to drive to the polls.

Resist We Much on January 31, 2013 at 12:54 AM

Reality is what it is. People raised questions about Romney simply because of his father. This is also a constitutional issue and not just a matter of some statute. People’s interpretation of what was meant by “natural born citizen” vary.

Igor R. on January 31, 2013 at 12:58 AM

Goodnight, Jackalope. Pleasant dreams & a restful sleep for you and the baby!

4Grace on January 31, 2013 at 12:58 AM

Like I’m gonna show anything more than a liddle leg…

Resist We Much on January 31, 2013 at 12:55 AM

I’m cool with that.

Bmore on January 31, 2013 at 12:58 AM

4Grace on January 31, 2013 at 12:36 AM

Dire Straits on January 31, 2013 at 12:37 AM

Good evening Grace and Dire. Things are going OK, really don’t know yet how the eye is doing, it’s pretty much a waiting game at this point. I do get to go to work next week since I have a desk job. A few things need to happen before they can determine how successful this has been. Kind of demands patience since I can’t really tell how things are going. It really is in the Lord’s hands and I need to trust that things will turn out in His time.

AZfederalist on January 31, 2013 at 12:59 AM

Dire Straits, QOTD Song. Hot seat over immigration.

Bmore on January 31, 2013 at 12:57 AM

Good job, B!

4Grace on January 31, 2013 at 12:59 AM

AZfederalist on January 31, 2013 at 12:51 AM

Jews don’t go to hell. My parents aren’t in hell-nor is any other Jew. I was born a Jew. I’ve always said that when I die-hopefully a loooong time from now-I hope to die as a Jew. The day Ma died, I warned my husband that if HIS ma said ANYTHING about MY mother being in hell…I would never associate w/ her again. She’s been good so far. If that changes…she will be ‘dead’ to me.

annoyinglittletwerp on January 31, 2013 at 1:00 AM

Axe
January 30, 2013 @ 4:37 PM

Huh. “Amy Lutz,” eh? Well. We’ll see.

You? You got first.

Bmore on January 31, 2013 at 1:00 AM

thatsafactjack on January 31, 2013 at 12:54 AM

Good evening to you, Jackie!

4Grace on January 31, 2013 at 1:00 AM

Nope. He had an American mum. He could have been born on the same day as I was in St Mary’s hospital in London and he would be a natural born citizen and I would not.

Resist We Much on January 31, 2013 at 12:58 AM

I don’t want to argue this point, but what I was saying is that now it’s not a matter of that but whether the birth certificate and the draft registration were forged or not.

Igor R. on January 31, 2013 at 1:01 AM

Good job, B!

4Grace on January 31, 2013 at 12:59 AM

It just seemed some how appropriate. Trust me I exhausted a lot of others before I went back to it. ; )

Bmore on January 31, 2013 at 1:02 AM

instapundit just posted this from last year. I would note that Feinstein’s AWB didn’t even get brought up in committee. Gabby Giffords was reading from a sheet of paper that her therapist wrote. So we’ve had weeks of wall-to-wall hysteria, vile and venom. Orchestrated by a left-wing media, to do what?

So now the new toy is Immigration. Probably weeks of wall-to-wall venom and vile comments about the right wing nativists and racists, to do what?

When you see a tree with a bunch of apples on it, the logical conclusion is that you are looking at an apple tree, right?

But what if you are looking at a political movement that claims to represent “the people,” yet constantly gets caught manufacturing the appearance of popular support?

the left manufactures issues to 1. destroy the opposition and 2. to implement their collectivist, borderless, world view

not a good place for rubio to be…and i like him. Maybe he’s playing 3 dimensional chess…or maybe not

http://washingtonexaminer.com/article/379001

btw, the article documents the infiltration of the R party by Ds. I think that’s a real and serious problem…and do they even know? Sadly, I don’t know

r keller on January 31, 2013 at 1:02 AM

4Grace on January 31, 2013 at 1:00 AM

Good evening, Grace! It’s always a pleasure to see you. :) How are you?

thatsafactjack on January 31, 2013 at 1:03 AM

Unless your faith believes in murder and evil-islam-all paths lead to God.

annoyinglittletwerp on January 31, 2013 at 12:36 AM

I will have to respectfully disagree.

4Grace on January 31, 2013 at 12:40 AM

Since not every path is true, I agree with you, 4Grace.

Do McCain & Schumer sing this to each other on karaoke night?

4Grace on January 31, 2013 at 12:50 AM

Giant tortoises having fun

Anti-Control on January 31, 2013 at 1:03 AM

Resist We Much on January 31, 2013 at 12:54 AM

Natural born citizenship is not defined via legislation. The class of dual citizens has empty intersection with the class of natural born citizens as American dual citizens weren’t even allowed when the Constitution was written (the War of 1812 was a good deal about that issue) and the naturalization process for Americans has always included the renunciation of all other citizenships and allegiances (meaning that people born to Americans were nothing but Americans when all this was written).

As America moved away from that and accepted dual citizenship it did not change what natural born citizens are, and dual citizens they are NOT.

This has nothing to do with an American born without dual citizenship outside of the US but does have a great deal to do with people born in America to non-citizens and to dual citizens. Rubio is not eligible.

Of course, this all should have been resolved in the courts back in 2007 or 2008 but people were too scared to “offend” the Indonesian Dog-Eating America-Hater by implying that his having been a British subject at birth, along with Kenyan citizenship and later possible Indonesian citizenship (as all evidence points to) might not be eligible. So, we remained in limbo and the whole reason why the Founders put the “natural born citizen” requirement in has been played out to textbook perfection as Barky has twisted and perverted America into something totally foreign.

We can’t say the Founders didn’t warn us about exactly this occurrence. They even put it in black and white supreme law, which most of America was too scared to consider seriously. It’s almost funny that the same people who screamed how “obvious” it was that Barky is eligible (LOL, as if) were the most scared to have him go to court and prove it, even though the SCOTUS could have easily punted and passed the Indonesian Dog-Eater, anyway. Benedict Roberts clearly would not have had any problem with that. He wipes his azz with the Constitution.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on January 31, 2013 at 1:03 AM

Just like Renee, I’m walking—-no running, from the GOP.

We are the Washington Generals playing the Globetrotters and I know how them games end.

arnold ziffel on January 31, 2013 at 1:03 AM

Well folks, another day and QOTD in the books. Keep fighting the good fight. Better get to sleep in case tomorrow is the day that everything comes up Jackalope. Until then, signing off from mom’s basement.

Jackalope on January 31, 2013 at 12:56 AM

Tell mom hi. :) Sleep well.

Wish I had a cool basement.

Axe on January 31, 2013 at 1:04 AM

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on January 31, 2013 at 12:52 AM

He’s a schmuck…who IS eligible to be president. Jindal’s good too.
Husband and I have agreed never to vote for ‘ers’-birthers, truthers etc.
*Husband is a USMC vet and a better conservative than I am. He knows his Constitution.*

annoyinglittletwerp on January 31, 2013 at 1:04 AM

Burnin’ Hell – Bonamassa

thatsafactjack on January 31, 2013 at 1:04 AM

Good evening, Grace! It’s always a pleasure to see you. :) How are you?

thatsafactjack on January 31, 2013 at 1:03 AM

Doing quite well, thank you. How are things in your neck of the woods?

4Grace on January 31, 2013 at 1:05 AM

AZfederalist on January 31, 2013 at 12:31 AM
Sure seems that way..:)

PS..How is eveything going for you??..:)

Dire Straits on January 31, 2013 at 12:37 AM

..:)

Dire Straits on January 31, 2013 at 1:05 AM

Reality is what it is. People raised questions about Romney simply because of his father. This is also a constitutional issue and not just a matter of some statute. People’s interpretation of what was meant by “natural born citizen” vary.

Igor R. on January 31, 2013 at 12:58 AM

George Romney was a natural born American citizen. He was born to two American citizens, who registered him at birth with the American Consulate in Mexico. He was NEVER a Mexican citizen and neither were his parents, grandparents, etc.

John McCain was a natural born American citizen even though he was born in the Panama Canal Zone for two reasons. First, both of his parents were Americans. Second, he was born while his father was on active duty in the military and stationed overseas.

Marco Rubio is a natural born citizen under Wong Kim Ark because he was born on American soil to two LEGAL Cuban Americans.

Barack Obama is an American citizen because he was born to an American mum. It doesn’t matter if she had him in Kenya, which I do not believe, or Hawaii.

Resist We Much on January 31, 2013 at 1:06 AM

4Grace on January 31, 2013 at 1:05 AM

I’m fine, Grace, thanks for asking. :) Lot’s of work, you know… writing… and then there’s driving the moon chariot across the sky and lighting the morning sun… riding herd on Spark… you know.. staying busy. :)

thatsafactjack on January 31, 2013 at 1:06 AM

bluegill is always here

Axe on January 31, 2013 at 12:38 AM

…except when (s)he’s stalking Sarah Palin…

viking01 on January 31, 2013 at 1:07 AM

We are the Washington Generals playing the Globetrotters and I know how them games end.

arnold ziffel on January 31, 2013 at 1:03 AM

Good evening, arnold.

Very, VERY good analogy!

4Grace on January 31, 2013 at 1:07 AM

Home again.

Bmore on January 31, 2013 at 1:08 AM

Resist We Much on January 31, 2013 at 12:58 AM

OT yet…I’m part English. My great-grandmother was born in London(don’t know which part), and my ‘pop’s’ older brother was born in White Chapel. I’ve heard that it was a bad area even around the turn of the century(19th to 20th).

annoyinglittletwerp on January 31, 2013 at 1:08 AM

Bmore on January 31, 2013 at 1:08 AM

:)

thatsafactjack on January 31, 2013 at 1:08 AM

You? You got first.

Bmore on January 31, 2013 at 1:00 AM

Trying to blow some air into that duck. :)

Um . . . in case that doesn’t make sense, think of an inflatable duck, a bright pool, and Resist showing a liddle leg.

Otherwise “blowing air into a duck” is probably going someplace weird.

O, commenting there is just the email/approval-first-time thing, so it’s easy. *cough*

Axe on January 31, 2013 at 1:08 AM

AZfederalist on January 31, 2013 at 12:59 AM

Good deal..Keep your spirits up..:)

Dire Straits on January 31, 2013 at 1:09 AM

He’s a schmuck…who IS eligible to be president. Jindal’s good too.
Husband and I have agreed never to vote for ‘ers’-birthers, truthers etc.
*Husband is a USMC vet and a better conservative than I am. He knows his Constitution.*

annoyinglittletwerp on January 31, 2013 at 1:04 AM

You have an annoying habit of citing irrelevant things, like your decisions, opinions, and emotions, as factual evidence. But “annoying” is in your screen name, so that’s OK.

Igor R. on January 31, 2013 at 1:09 AM

thatsafactjack on January 31, 2013 at 1:06 AM

Spark alone would be a full time job.

4Grace on January 31, 2013 at 1:09 AM

Resist We Much on January 31, 2013 at 1:06 AM

*much admiration*

annoyinglittletwerp on January 31, 2013 at 1:10 AM

Now this story is funny- ‘A Zimbabwean man was recently robbed of his dreadlocks at a South African night club to fee d a growing demand for human hair extensions. Mutsa Madonko had his long locks that he had grown for 10 years, cut off while partying at a Johannesburg club. Natural dreadlocks are sold as hair extensions for anything between 200-2500 rand ($22-204). “You are an easy target if you walk around the CBD and your hair is loose. They don’t care about your money or fancy phones. They are only after your hair”.’ I’m happy that I keep my hair short. Lol

tommy71 on January 31, 2013 at 1:10 AM

4Grace on January 31, 2013 at 1:09 AM

Well… I think between you, and Scrumpy, and me, we may be able to manage! LOL!

thatsafactjack on January 31, 2013 at 1:10 AM

4Grace on January 31, 2013 at 1:09 AM

Of course.. if B9 were here more often it wouldn’t be a problem.:)

thatsafactjack on January 31, 2013 at 1:11 AM

I’m fine, Grace, thanks for asking. :) Lot’s of work, you know… writing… and then there’s driving the moon chariot across the sky and lighting the morning sun… riding herd on Spark… you know.. staying busy. :)

thatsafactjack on January 31, 2013 at 1:06 AM

Hi Jack! I didn’t even see you come in. :)

Axe on January 31, 2013 at 1:11 AM

even though the SCOTUS could have easily punted and passed the Indonesian Dog-Eater, anyway. Benedict Roberts clearly would not have had any problem with that. He wipes his azz with the Constitution.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on January 31, 2013 at 1:03 AM

Actually SCOTUS will be meeting in conference on my Birthday (February 15th) to decide if they will hear that exact issue.

Supreme Court opens door to another challenge to Obama eligibility on February 15th…

Chief Justice John Roberts Schedules A Case Regarding Obamas Forged IDs to be Heard in Conference Before the Full Supreme Court.

The case titled Noonan, Judd, MacLeran, Taitz v Bowen provides a mountain of evidence of Barack Obama using a last name not legally his, forged Selective Service application, forged long form and short form birth certificate and a Connecticut Social Security number 042-68-4425 which was never assigned to him according to E-Verify and SSNVS. Additionally, this case provides evidence of around one and a half million invalid voter registrations in the state of California alone.

While I do think It would be a wonderful Birthday present for them to decide to hear it, personally I expect them to refuse. especially considering that if they do hear it, and if they decide that6 he is ineligible, then Elena Kagan and Sonia Sotomayor will automatically be removed from the SCOTUS. You can say, conflict of Interest, right?

SWalker on January 31, 2013 at 1:11 AM

Igor R. on January 31, 2013 at 1:09 AM

Here’s an opinion for you: I’ve been commenting here for close to 6 1/2 years. I’ll write what I please and you can either take it or leave it.

annoyinglittletwerp on January 31, 2013 at 1:11 AM

Barack Obama is an American citizen because he was born to an American mum. It doesn’t matter if she had him in Kenya, which I do not believe, or Hawaii.

Resist We Much on January 31, 2013 at 1:06 AM

His mother was not old enough according to the statute in force at the time to pass the citizenship all by herself. That’s a legal opinion of many lawyers.

Igor R. on January 31, 2013 at 1:12 AM

I don’t want to argue this point, but what I was saying is that now it’s not a matter of that but whether the birth certificate and the draft registration were forged or not.

Igor R. on January 31, 2013 at 1:01 AM

I think it’s very funny how 0dumba’s SS number doesn’t pass E-Verify.

Anti-Control on January 31, 2013 at 1:12 AM

Resist We Much on January 31, 2013 at 12:50 AM

rofl..:)

Dire Straits on January 31, 2013 at 1:13 AM

If you are born to an American citizen abroad, you ARE a natural-born American citizen and eligible to serve as POTUS. OTOH, as a naturalised American, I would never be eligible to serve as POTUS.

Birtherism is SOOOOO unattractive.

Period.

Story.

End of.

“End of.”

Well, there you have it.

POTUS Constitutional eligibility is exactly the same as that for John Q. Immigrant. So, with the “an American citizen” part, that would mean that both Winston Churchill and Reichsjugendführer Balder von Schirach could have been President.

I believe that the Founding Fathers wanted to avoid the influence of foreign powers and loyalties elsewhere in the branch where the greatest single amount of power is focused. “Natural born” means born of two Citizens and born on U.S. soil. This argument is like the Libtards arguing over the Second Amendment. It means what it says it means.

Dr. ZhivBlago on January 31, 2013 at 1:13 AM

People’s interpretation of what was meant by “natural born citizen” vary.

Igor R. on January 31, 2013 at 12:58 AM

“People” like Orly Taitz do not count. That moonbat believes that she can get the State of Connecticut to arrest a sitting President. Girlfriend had better stick to dentistry because she sooooo sucks at law. A state has NO jurisdiction over a President, who has immunity while in office. The ONLY method of removing a President is through impeachment and conviction. That Taitz doesn’t know this and believes that she can try Obama in a state court in Connecticut doesn’t surprise me because she is batshyt crazy, but it should make you and anyone else that believes ANYTHING that she (or others like her) says think twice.

The law is established.

Besides, do you really, really think that the same Chief Justice of the United States Supreme Court that found a heretofore undiscovered tax in the Constitution is going to find that Barack Obama is ineligible for the Presidency of the United States after being elected twice to said office? Kennedy, too? The 4 libs? LOL!

As I said, Birtherism is sooooo unattractive.

I’m done with this subject.

Resist We Much on January 31, 2013 at 1:13 AM

Axe on January 31, 2013 at 1:11 AM

I came in through the emergency tunnel from the oubliette library. I’m glad we had that installed. It certainly saves time. :)

I see you’re conjuring up a storm… so to speak. :)

thatsafactjack on January 31, 2013 at 1:13 AM

Good evening, arnold.

Very, VERY good analogy!

4Grace on January 31, 2013 at 1:07 AM

Hi Gracie and thanks. Everyday it’s something else. Why any republican would be drawn into this issue with Schumer, Durbin and McCain is beyond me. The republicans and the Republic will go down if this nonsense passes.

arnold ziffel on January 31, 2013 at 1:13 AM

SWalker on January 31, 2013 at 1:11 AM

The SCOTUS should have never accepted that case.

annoyinglittletwerp on January 31, 2013 at 1:13 AM

Here’s an opinion for you: I’ve been commenting here for close to 6 1/2 years. I’ll write what I please and you can either take it or leave it.

annoyinglittletwerp on January 31, 2013 at 1:11 AM

Just more of the same. Unfortunately you are no well versed in logic, so you chose to rely on your other strengths, like virtually stomping your feet.

Igor R. on January 31, 2013 at 1:14 AM

I’m done with this subject.

Resist We Much on January 31, 2013 at 1:13 AM

And we will know on Feb 15th if SCOTUS is equally done with it.

SWalker on January 31, 2013 at 1:15 AM

4Grace on January 31, 2013 at 1:05 AM

I’m fine, Grace, thanks for asking. :) Lot’s of work, you know… writing… and then there’s driving the moon chariot across the sky and lighting the morning sun… riding herd on Spark… you know.. staying busy. :)

thatsafactjack on January 31, 2013 at 1:06 AM

Thanks for watching over me Goddess of the night.

I am weak and easily prone to dabbling in mischief (to tickle Scrumpy’s funny bone).

I’ll try to be on my best behavior since next week is Fire Marshall Appreciation week; all week long. The following week its Fire Deputy Appreciation week to honor Scrumpy.

SparkPlug on January 31, 2013 at 1:15 AM

Bmore on January 31, 2013 at 12:57 AM

Nice tune..:)

Dire Straits on January 31, 2013 at 1:15 AM

I’d love to see Shirley and Honey Boo Boo do some kind of duet

Shirley Temple – “Animal Crackers”

Anti-Control on January 31, 2013 at 1:16 AM

You Threw Your Love On Me Too Strong – Otis Rush

thatsafactjack on January 31, 2013 at 1:16 AM

:)

thatsafactjack on January 31, 2013 at 1:08 AM

Evening Jackie! Sorry for the slow response. Distracted looking through some old tunes. I often forget how many odds and ends I have collected over the years. Fascinating to sit here and look back through some of it. I am putting together a DVD of QOTD tunes. At first I was going to just randomly grab some from all the ones in the collection I’ve made over time from these many threads. But there is so much. I’m thinking I may just ask everyone of the light nighters to give me they’re favorite, most favorite tune in the world to them tune. Didn’t think my collection was quite this extensive.

Bmore on January 31, 2013 at 1:16 AM

Actually SCOTUS will be meeting in conference on my Birthday (February 15th) to decide if they will hear that exact issue.

It is a routine procedural meeting where they review a litany of writs to decide those on which to grant cert. The Court grants cert on about 1-1.5% of the writs filed.

It’s not going to happen.

Resist We Much on January 31, 2013 at 1:16 AM

“They are only after your hair”.’ I’m happy that I keep my hair short. Lol

tommy71 on January 31, 2013 at 1:10 AM

I guess they’ll call it the dreadlock headlock?

viking01 on January 31, 2013 at 1:16 AM

I see you’re conjuring up a storm… so to speak. :)

thatsafactjack on January 31, 2013 at 1:13 AM

Electron did it. :)

Axe on January 31, 2013 at 1:17 AM

thatsafactjack on January 31, 2013 at 1:10 AM

Good evening..:)

Dire Straits on January 31, 2013 at 1:17 AM

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