Pushback: Gingrich, Vitter, National Review, Malkin, Coulter, Erickson oppose Rubio’s immigration plan

posted at 3:51 pm on January 30, 2013 by Allahpundit

The key subplot to Rubio’s immigration push, of course, is how much of a headache it’ll be for him with conservatives in the 2016 primaries. The talk-radio charm offensive is mainly designed to get grassroots opinion-shapers like Rush to at least wait and see what the bill looks like before lobbying against it, but more broadly it’s designed to move the Overton window on what positions are acceptable for a good conservative to hold. Rubio can afford to have immigration reform fail; he can’t afford to be RINO-ized over it. Like I said yesterday, whether or not a bill ends up passing, he’s already achieved something significant by getting Rush et al. to acknowledge that “recognizing reality” in terms of a grand bargain on immigration is something “admirable and noteworthy.” No matter what happens now, unless he ends up voting for a watered-down Democratic bill with token enforcement (which he won’t), he’s got that as a soundbite for his primary ads in 2016. James Antle makes a good point too in noting that none of Rubio’s would-be rivals for the nomination have attacked him on this yet. Jindal, Paul, and Christie have all kept quiet and Ryan has actually endorsed Rubio’s plan. The likely candidates don’t want to alienate Latino voters and the pundits with big audiences don’t want to kneecap a guy who might end up being the party’s best chance to regain the presidency.

So how’s all of this playing with conservatives in the Senate and online? Is Rubiomania enough in itself to convince people to reserve judgment until the first draft bill hits the floor in March? Not yet:

“I love and respect Marco. I think he’s just amazingly naïve on this issue,” Vitter said. “This is the same old formula that we’ve dealt with before, including when it passed in 1986, and that is promises of enforcement and immediate amnesty. And of course, the promises of enforcement never materialize. The amnesty happens immediately — the millisecond the bill is signed into law, and the same is true here. No, they won’t be citizens immediately. They will be legal.”

“Citizenship is guaranteed at that point as a practical matter,” he added…

“Look, as soon as you give these people a legal status, to say that you’re going to reverse that is ridiculous,” Vitter said. “It’ll never happen. As soon as you give them a legal status, they are here legally forever and probably they’re citizens pretty darn soon after. And if Marco thinks no matter what happens or doesn’t happen on the enforcement side that’s not going to happen, I just think he’s nuts.”

Yeah, Rubio’s wisely focused on the enforcement provisions in his chats with conservative media but even if he gets Schumer et al. to bend a little on those — which I think they will, if only because enforcement can be eroded over time — he’s got the problem Vitter mentions of immediate probationary legal status for illegals who are already here. I don’t think Schumer will be as yielding about that. Neither does National Review, which opposes the bill in part on grounds that, let’s face it, there’s no way Democrats can be trusted on this issue:

[B]roader reform measures must wait until credible enforcement mechanisms are in place. Those mechanisms include, at a minimum, a physically secured border and mandatory universal use of the E-Verify system, which confirms the legal status of new hires. We agree with Senator Rubio’s view that “we can’t be the only nation in the world that does not enforce its immigration laws. . . . Modernization of the legal immigration system is impossible unless we first secure the border and implement an E-Verify system.” We very much doubt that Senator Rubio will achieve meaningful border security in cooperation with Senators Schumer, Durbin, Menendez, and Bennet. The less-of-the-same version being developed in the House with the support of John Boehner and Paul Ryan almost certainly will suffer from similar defects, since it appears to be based on the same premises…

Senator Rubio, an exemplary conservative leader, is correct that our immigration system is broken. And he is correct that, at some point, we are going to have to do something about the millions of illegals already here. But he is wrong about how to go about repairing our immigration system, and wrong to think that an amnesty-and-enforcement bill at this time will end up being anything other than the unbuttered side of a half-a-loaf deal. And there is no reason to make a bad deal for fear of losing a Latino vote Republicans never had.

If you believe, as NR does and as even some liberals acknowledge, that Latinos are likely to go on voting Democratic in the medium-term at least, then it’s perfectly rational for Democrats to go on trying to weaken border security measures in the drafting process and later, after something’s passed. (Passionate supporters of organized labor may disagree, natch.) Meanwhile, Newt Gingrich objects to the bill partly because he objects to the process:

Gingrich, who won applause for his piecemeal immigration reform package during the 2012 GOP presidential primaries, said he would not endorse the bipartisan immigration reform pushed by McCain and Rubio–and that is extremely similar to President Obama’s offering…

“Frankly, I’m pretty tired of a handful of people in Washington, starting with the president, meeting in secret meetings in closed rooms to cut giant deals to come out with a ‘yes’ or ‘no’ vote to then tell the rest of us that it will be a catastrophe if we vote ‘no.’ I think that’s really bad government and I don’t think it produces good ideas,” said Gingrich.

Read Erick Erickson and the boss emeritus for further objections. Conservatives on the Hill are evidently already worried about Rubio getting rolled by Schumer and hurting himself for 2016, but like I said, I think that’s overblown. If worse comes to worst and grassroots opinion turns decisively against the bill, Rubio will turn on it too. He’s already done most of the heavy lifting he needs to do on this issue by making himself a face of immigration reform, no matter what the eventual outcome. And no matter what you think of the bill, his media outreach effort is impressive. It’s not just Rush and Hannity he’s talking to; he came on Ed’s radio show the other day to speak directly to blog readers and he’s got an op-ed today at Red State responding to Erickson’s piece. If you think the GOP suffers from chronically poor messaging, as basically every conservative does, then take some comfort in the fact that this guy knows what he’s doing on that front even if you oppose his goal.

Here’s Coulter with Howie Carr, also in need of a lottttt of persuasion.


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The agriculture industry in the US is a net exporter.

Yeah…that would be the point. Low wages don’t have any significant effect on exports.

So it’s not their “Mexican” or “Hispanic” nature that we should be appealing to, but their risk taking, ambitious nature.

What risk?

Free soup? Welfare? Free schooling? Jobs?

What risk are you talking about?

The automated machine guns posts, army snipers, landmines, and savage police dogs at the border? They don’t exist.

The border patrol is being issued with beanbags.

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/261283/bringing-bean-bag-gunfight-mark-krikorian

The GOP has failed miserably reaching out to them. And thanks to ignorant people like you, it keeps failing. And every time, we lose the opportunity to bring about a good immigration deal.

p_incorrect on January 31, 2013 at 2:09 AM

No it hasn’t failed to reach out to them. Reagan passed amnesty. McCain was one of the biggest amnesty shills.

It didn’t make a damn bit of difference because they want socialism.

You are fine with socialism being massively strengthened but others are not.

sharrukin on January 31, 2013 at 2:22 AM

I’ve listened to Rubio explain his urgent-musthave-legalize-these-people idea now many times and he always fails to make LOGICAL, practical sense.

He continues to assert, insist, that somehow “these people” are going to be some orderly, line-and-rule-abiding lot who will be placed in clean, clear, neat boxes of identities because he, Rubio, has imagined some well ordered playboard of well behaving illegal aliens.

It’s a nice story for daytime soap operas and evening animated features with the kids or for the kids but it’s enirely irrational as to the real world.

Lourdes on January 31, 2013 at 2:22 AM

Neither political party wants to enforce the law.

No political players in D.C. want the responsibility of doing what is required to solve “the problem of 11 million people who are here illegally.”

ENFORCEMENT of our laws would greatly resolve the “problem” and it can be done by fractions here, there, over there, here, there…incrementally by enforcing laws from all fronts, without caving to the inevitable claims of ethnicity, race, “community” and other socialism efforts to bypass or corrupt our nation and our laws.

The ONLY thing that approach — avoiding enforcement — accomplishes is a NURTURING OF THE PROBLEM: more illegal aliens, more ongoing, more claims of entitlement, more and more and…more.

We can enforce our laws and we should all insist they be enforced. Employer sanctions, very high fines if found to be here illegally AND deportation if so after prison terms, fines…

…an end to chain migration…

The rest of the world is laughing at the gullible, highly available land of free-stuff that is the USA: free to riot, free to exploit, free to ruin, take what you want, lie, cheat, bring over the town or city and claim they’re all relatives, “me fahhmmahhleee…”

Politicians and other exploiters of our nation continue to claim that ‘we can’t deport’ illegal aliens and ‘we can’t’ this, that…while all that is required is persistent, gradual enforcement all the way around on all fronts.

Make it easier for LEGAL immigration and much, much less appealing for the illegal alien among us. I’m sorry people the world over have wants but our nation has to be respected for what it is and that’s a nation of laws. Not a nation of free stuff without borders or requirements for lawful behavior.

Lourdes on January 31, 2013 at 2:31 AM

Malkin also agress that Rubio is repeating all of RINO McCain’s tragic stupidity about AMNESTY.

AMNESTY is what this is, NOT ‘Immigration Reform’.

SAY NO TO AMNESTY.

rayra on January 30, 2013 at 3:56 PM

DITTO, that and DITTO, what Malkin says.

SAY NO TO AMNESTY, SAY YES TO ENFORCEMENT.

It is in.ex.cus.able that Obama’s auntie and uncle, for example, remained in the U.S. as they both did despite deportation orders, and in the case of the auntie, has remained here living off the US taxpayers while ignoring multiple deportation orders.

But those two cases alone exemplify WHY enforcement is necessary. You have attorneys skilled in developing and nurturing backdoors who manipulated the laws and forced an evasion of laws in both cases and there you go.

Multiply those two cases millions of times over and you get our nation’s problem. A deportation order means just that, but today instead it seems to mean “another ten years on SSI and in public housing with nice Medicaid coverage.”

Lourdes on January 31, 2013 at 2:36 AM

The thing with the Obama Auntie that is quite so disgusting and offensive is that she was interviewed years ago by the Boston Herald, before she realized she wasn’t so cool, bragging about how she “enjoyed coming and going” from Boston to Nigeria/Africa where she “really enjoyed visiting” in Africa with “all the family and friends”…

she “came and went” back and forth between the USA and Africa “enjoyed” herself doing so, despite DEPORTATION ORDERS in place…no indication of any problem in Africa, “enjoyed” her visits…flew on planes, to, from…

How’d a so-called impoverished elderly lady afford all those plane fares? To-From USA-Africa is not an cheap flight, not to mention many of them as the Obama-Auntie claims she enjoyed.

And no one at customs so much as stopped and asked her about her deportation orders?

How’d she even have a passport that cleared customs?

No one in customs fired for participating in that “enjoyment” of the Auntie, as she came-went between US and Africa?

She lived in the US, and still does, while receiving SSI, being on Medicaid, living in public housing and ALL THAT DESPITE SEVERAL DEPORTATION ORDERS, a well=identified illegal alien.

Later, she claimed she “suffered” some sort of stress if she returned to Africa, a completely new story.

Utterly depraved miscarriage of justice.

Lourdes on January 31, 2013 at 2:43 AM

I’m on Team Let It Burn, not Team Nuclear Armageddon. Let’s allow Obama to have his tax and spend binge, but let’s not reshape the electorate to the point where conservatives will never be in power again no matter how badly the Dems F up the country.

Doughboy on January 30, 2013 at 4:04 PM

I’m guessing that there are far more Conservatives in this nation on most issues if not many of them, at least — the big ones like amnesty/illegals/enforcement/defense/gunrights/abortion/citizenship — than we generally read about.

The media is determined to undermine confidence by all and any except those that malign the COnstitution on so many fronts and demean the values and beliefs of others when they’re not Leftwing/SOcialist.

I think we just read and hear that Conservatives are some endangered species but I tend to think that we are not.

BUt perception is reality. That means the media issues and enforces the perception that Conservatives are doomed, whatever, and so people start miming that untruth as if it was reality.

Lourdes on January 31, 2013 at 2:51 AM

Agreed:

Also this 11 million illegal number is bull crap. Hispanics voted in the last election at 10%. Yet the cencus said they are 17% of the population. That means about 7% of the population is illegal Hispanics. That is 22 million illegal hispanics. 7% of 320 million. This doesn’t even count the illegals of other races. Or that there might be a lot more who were afraid to answer the census because they were not here legally. It could be over 30 million. Think about that when you consider that only 12 million Hispanics voted in 2012.

KMav on January 30, 2013 at 4:05 PM

Lourdes on January 31, 2013 at 2:55 AM

Undocumented Workers Living in the Shadows is the new “it”. Brad Pit will hold a press conference supporting Rubio’s efforts. He’ll be Marco Rubio in the movie- “Rubio”.

My Take – You can’t have a safe, orderly society without a secure border and a common language. There is no getting around it. Rubio can’t guarantee border enforcement or language enforcement so his plan is reckless.

Mexico is a resource rich nation. We should support any pro free market/ anti crony-ism reforms Mexico will undertake. We should help them with border security. We should do a lot of trade with them and thier tourists should come here and ours should go there.

BoxHead1 on January 31, 2013 at 3:08 AM

Are the Rs generating some excitement with this new “open” strategy? I don’t feel it. Are even the R hacks here getting jacked up over this new and improved GOP? I don’t see it. You might think,wrongly, that amnesty is the winning long term strategy but you have to admit you are going to get killed over this in 2014. You don’t think the Rs are going to get a wave of support over this in 2014?!? If this goes through then in 2014 R’s lose the base and gain nothing.

A massacre. The house flips.

BoxHead1 on January 30, 2013 at 9:06 PM

Other then McCain I don’t know any Rs who are excited by this foolish support of amnesty and most of the base hates it.I know if any amnesty passes when it could have been stopped in the House I’m done with the GOP. I certainly will not be there for them in 2014 or 2016 if they vote to allow illegal immigrant criminals to pick my pocket.

Hera on January 31, 2013 at 3:48 AM

Reagan’s Childhood Home to Become Parking Lot for Obama’s Library

Wednesday, 30 Jan 2013 11:20 AM

By Marti Lotman

The University of Chicago Medical Center has announced plans to turn Ronald Reagan’s childhood home in Chicago into a parking lot for President Barack Obama’s library.

The Commission on Chicago Landmarks previously denied the Gipper’s home landmark status in 2012, according to The Washington Times, and the university subsequently scheduled demolition to begin in January. Officials claim the home does not reach landmark status because it is not architecturally significant and the nation’s 40th president did nothing notable while living there.

http://www.newsmax.com/newswidget/reagan-obama-library-demolition/2013/01/30/id/488082?promo_code=EC70-1&utm_source=American_Spectator&utm_medium=nmwidget&utm_campaign=widgetphase1

rayra on January 31, 2013 at 4:09 AM

http://www.newsmax.com/newswidget/reagan-obama-library-demolition/2013/01/30/id/488082?promo_code=EC70-1&utm_source=American_Spectator&utm_medium=nmwidget&utm_campaign=widgetphase1

rayra on January 31, 2013 at 4:09 AM

People are claiming on twitter that that story is false…

I dunno.

Lourdes on January 31, 2013 at 4:46 AM

Amnesty is national suicide.

No one advocating this folly is not betraying his or her oath of office.

And they need to be reminded:

Immigration ‘REFORM’ – NO!

Immigration ENFORCEMENT ~ YES.

Put that on the bumper of your long black limousine, pimps.

Enough with the b.s.
It’s a kabuki theater scam…

Some Senator or Congressman (Rand? Cruz?) needs to call for Congressional Hearings BEFORE any further immigration discussion is allowed.

The topic:

WHO FAILED US ON THE BORDER?

-An Historical Examination of WHO allowed 10-30 Million
Illegal Aliens to Enter the United States and Remain Here as
Living Proof of Our Complete Failure on National Security
-

This needs weeks of intensive, online / televised investigations dissecting the decades long border disaster (since Reagan’s Amnesty in the mid 1980′s-) that has effectively permitted or encouraged the loss of control of our national sovereignty.

And risks a terrorist attack of incalculable damage.

profitsbeard on January 31, 2013 at 5:20 AM

Rubio pretty much showed that he no depth or courage. Rather than challenge the current set of socialists in the White House and congress, he decides pandering is the best course of action. His first thoughts aren’t how to secure Liberty or what is best for the country,it is what is best for Rubio. Typical repub.

Panther on January 31, 2013 at 5:29 AM

Senator Rubio, an exemplary conservative leader

Who died and made Rubio ” conservative leader”, let alone an exemplary one? He’s a junior senator who has done nothing remarkable and his first big issue is a conservative anathema. So much for being a conservative leader.

promachus on January 31, 2013 at 6:07 AM

Rush, once again, perhaps caught up in his personal admiration of the man, buys into this disaster, so wanted by the left, as a weapon to fundamentally transform America from the land of the free, to the land of the obedient.

Don L on January 31, 2013 at 6:11 AM

If gaining the Hispanic vote means betraying our laws, as well as the Hispanic folks and others who wait properly, and drain America’s banks and resources(Cloward/Piven)to give the vote to millions who will without question, vote for the genuine profession panderers in the Democratic Party, and do little but insure our permanent loss–why would we want to do that?

Don L on January 31, 2013 at 6:22 AM

Whether Rubio is right or not, he is still a freaking RINO. As is Chris Christie. And Coulter. And Hannity.

Faramir on January 30, 2013 at 6:58 PM

Not that I disagree, but I’m begining to wonder exactly what would make someone not a RINO? Maybe we can come up something else/better to describe them, or us non-RINO’s?

Nutstuyu on January 30, 2013 at 7:06 PM

How about a simple word or two?

Untrustworthy?

Unprincipled?

Trojan horses (Christie maybe a Clydesdale)

Backstabber? (as in et too Brutus)

Flexibly principled?

Stateslessmen?

oh heck, slippery devils!

Don L on January 31, 2013 at 6:40 AM

How about a simple word or two?

Untrustworthy?

Unprincipled?

Trojan horses (Christie maybe a Clydesdale)

Backstabber? (as in et too Brutus)

Flexibly principled?

Stateslessmen?

oh heck, slippery devils!

Don L on January 31, 2013 at 6:40 AM

Or old school…

Poltroons; an abject or contemptible coward. If you behave in a way that shows no courage or confidence. sneaky and devious instead of brave and straightforward. craven and abject, but most of all, cowardly.

sharrukin on January 31, 2013 at 7:06 AM

Let’s replace ‘Amnesty’ with ‘Reward’ because that’s exactly what it is. Positive reinforcement for knowingly breaking the law.

jangle12 on January 31, 2013 at 7:16 AM

Rush, once again, perhaps caught up in his personal admiration of the man, buys into this disaster, so wanted by the left, as a weapon to fundamentally transform America from the land of the free, to the land of the obedient.

Don L on January 31, 2013 at 6:11 AM

“once again” ?! Good grief, get over yourself.

Consider the tiny possibility that Rush is “caught up in” a desire to win another election some day.

Jaibones on January 31, 2013 at 7:24 AM

I don’t know if you guys, the pure of conservative heart, are aware of this, but the guys who win the elections? Yeah…they get to sign new laws, appoint Supreme Court judges and defense secretaries. All that fun stuff.

Jaibones on January 31, 2013 at 7:26 AM

Rush, once again, perhaps caught up in his personal admiration of the man, buys into this disaster, so wanted by the left, as a weapon to fundamentally transform America from the land of the free, to the land of the obedient.

Don L on January 31, 2013 at 6:11 AM

“once again” ?! Good grief, get over yourself.

Consider the tiny possibility that Rush is “caught up in” a desire to win another election some day.

Jaibones on January 31, 2013 at 7:24 AM

perhaps you didn’t notice that Rush, as good as he is on most things, is the one that needs to “get over” himself?

I do so appreciate the free psycholological exam though, it saves Obamacare some stash.

Don L on January 31, 2013 at 7:31 AM

I don’t know if you guys, the pure of conservative heart, are aware of this, but the guys who win the elections? Yeah…they get to sign new laws, appoint Supreme Court judges and defense secretaries. All that fun stuff.

Jaibones on January 31, 2013 at 7:26 AM

Yeah, we noticed.

Did you happen to notice that the ‘electable’ boys of the GOP when they get elected, which ain’t often, tend to push the same policies as the Democrats?

Because we noticed that too.

sharrukin on January 31, 2013 at 7:42 AM

Democratics are not interested in improving the legal process because any rational legal process would offer a more equitable distribution of visas to all the countries of the world. The illegal alien invasion offers the democratic party twenty million Mexican uneducated and unskilled but reliable voters. That’s their priority.

Is it right that over half of all illegal aliens are Mexicans? Why should we cater to one of the world’s nations to that extent? Aren’t there nationalities much more deserving of a break than Mexican?

slickwillie2001 on January 30, 2013 at 10:08 PM

Bingo!! Why don’t we adopt the Left’s mantra and demand fairness and redistribution of immigration. It’s not fair to Africa, for instance, that so many immigrants from Central America are allowed in when they’re not.

Nutstuyu on January 31, 2013 at 8:07 AM

How’d a so-called impoverished elderly lady afford all those plane fares? To-From USA-Africa is not an cheap flight, not to mention many of them as the Obama-Auntie claims she enjoyed.

And no one at customs so much as stopped and asked her about her deportation orders?

How’d she even have a passport that cleared customs?

No one in customs fired for participating in that “enjoyment” of the Auntie, as she came-went between US and Africa?

She lived in the US, and still does, while receiving SSI, being on Medicaid, living in public housing and ALL THAT DESPITE SEVERAL DEPORTATION ORDERS, a well=identified illegal alien.

Later, she claimed she “suffered” some sort of stress if she returned to Africa, a completely new story.

Utterly depraved miscarriage of justice.

Lourdes on January 31, 2013 at 2:43 AM

I don’t get this either. I make nearly weekly flights out of the country and I get grilled nearly every time by the customs agents–despite having the highest airline status and preferred traveler entry cards.

Nutstuyu on January 31, 2013 at 8:13 AM

Is Rubiomania enough in itself to convince people to reserve judgment until the first draft bill hits the floor in March? Not yet:

No, because “Rubiomania” exists only among bloggers.

ddrintn on January 31, 2013 at 8:40 AM

Let’s replace ‘Amnesty’ with ‘Reward’ because that’s exactly what it is. Positive reinforcement for knowingly breaking the law.

jangle12 on January 31, 2013 at 7:16 AM

BINGO! Rewarding the thief with his ill-gotten goods (residency, in this case) is always a surefire way to discourage theft !!! /RubioSarc

Let’s stop using “amnesty”, because if a modest fine is imposed for stealing the gift of American citizenship, then it is technically not amnesty. It’s much worse — it’s a freakin’ REWARD for illegal behavior!

fred5678 on January 31, 2013 at 8:51 AM

Aren’t there nationalities much more deserving of a break than Mexican?

slickwillie2001 on January 30, 2013 at 10:08 PM

And this is only the tip of the iceburg as to how ugly GOP nativists are going to get over the next few months. The GOP is officially going to split itself apart. There are about 25% of GOP voters who are hardcore nativists. Post-amnesty they simply will not have any reason to ever vote for the GOP again. Many of those voters are in the southwest. Only the southeast will be GOP and no doubt, Latino migrations into Texas will flip that state blue in a decade. The GOP is about to go the way of the Whigs.

libfreeordie on January 31, 2013 at 8:51 AM

Defend our borders. Stop trying to buy votes with my tax dollars. Brutally, violently deport every illegal border jumper in this country (if you need volunteers, there are an awful lot of veterans just like me with experience at that sort of thing). Stop the crap-talk about the 2nd amendment and actually amend to stop the anchor baby nonsense. Bomb Mexico City until the scumbags that have been waging economic war on us for decades start building the wall and policing themselves.

Oh, and stop lying in our faces while you’re at it.

Then, we might be willing to countenance your immigration reform plan.

M240H on January 31, 2013 at 9:07 AM

… decade. The GOP is about to go the way of the Whigs.

libfreeordie on January 31, 2013 at 8:51 AM

Small loss. And being hungry when the dole runs out will make for a lot of angry, and armed, “nativists”, don’t you think?

M240H on January 31, 2013 at 9:12 AM

The GOP is officially going to split itself apart. … The GOP is about to go the way of the Whigs.

libfreeordie on January 31, 2013 at 8:51 AM

Yeah. And you’re not going to dig what emerges. Not in the least.

ddrintn on January 31, 2013 at 9:50 AM

The GOP is officially going to split itself apart. … The GOP is about to go the way of the Whigs.

libfreeordie on January 31, 2013 at 8:51 AM

True, and I don’t think you’re going to be happy with what emerges.

There are about 25% of GOP voters who are hardcore nativists. Post-amnesty…

libfreeordie on January 31, 2013 at 8:51 AM

What percentage of the country do you think is pro-amnesty, pro-open borders? Maybe the 15% moonbat fringies like yourself?

ddrintn on January 31, 2013 at 9:54 AM

It is not time to Bash Rubio yet, there is no bill, the devil is in the details. I would like to see some Pre bills sent up from the House. If the Senate won’t pass them, then you can’t get to any reforms. No big Deals, we hate democrat ad ons. The grass roots needs to see the enforcement of the old laws first. Perhaps, send bills directing the funding to be spent on border security, or allowing private non profit groups to fund and implement it, and giving states “permission” like Texas, New Mexico, and Arizona, responsibility for their borders.

I want single issue bills. We also, have to follow them up with PR campaigns, like the one I am seeing against Hagel’s nomination. The media is not telling Americans our point of view. I think I would suggest buying time on the programs that “the stupid” watch, since they are easily persuadable.

Fleuries on January 31, 2013 at 10:01 AM

I read Rubio’s Op-Ed in full. He never once mentioned ID theft does mention crime. Rubio states (12th paragraph): “If they have committed a serious crime, they will be deported.”

The vast majority of illegal immigrants use stolen/fraudulent SSNs to obtain work (fill out the I-9). This involves committing several felonies and involves real victims (many of whom are children) as they use the numbers and earnings are reported (IRS comes after the SSN holder for taxes), credit is obtained, and medical services gained (corrupt medical record). See the end of Drew’s post and the linked report on illegal immigrant identity theft.

I anticipate McCain, Rubio et al. will walk back the comment and
change to “convicted of serious crimes” or define ID theft as not a
serious crime despite the serious and potential life-threatening
consequences for the victims. Both McCain and Flake were caught also using the same statement and I expect they will “clarify” what they meant. Their statements are documented:
McCain statement denies legal status to 75% of illegal aliens
and Senator Flake says no legal status for illegal aliens committing crimes.

Note: the article on Flake’s comment links to an ACLU article
indicating that 75% of illegal immigrants engage in ID theft (paying payroll tax):

…the SSA’s chief actuary stated in 2005 that “three quarters of other-than-legal immigrants pay payroll taxes.”35…

batter on January 31, 2013 at 10:01 AM

Rubio uses the non sequitur:

There is a price point at which our farmers simply won’t do business because they will not be able to offer products at an affordable price.

That is true, but he presents no evidence that an increased labor cost will hit that price point (coupled with the fact that food is an essential item increasing price point flexibility – unless we plan on starving). As I recall, labor cost makes up only around 5% of the price of food at the store which indicates price wouldn’t skyrocket (despite what Geraldo Rivera would have us believe about lettuce).

batter on January 31, 2013 at 10:02 AM

libfreeordie on January 31, 2013 at 8:51 AM

Said the liberal democrat with obvious glee. Yeah! One party rule forever just like libfreeordie‘s favorite country of all time, the USSR.

Umm… The last Republican President was for immigration reform and the party nominated John McCain. The posters whining about Rubio will huff and puff about it now and then they’ll vote for him in four years.

Illinidiva on January 31, 2013 at 10:06 AM

Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) said Wednesday that immigration reform hardliners in the Republican Party need to “evolve” on the issue.

From the above HA link.

Sweet, another so-called conservative has been targeted and hit with the Bilderberger raybeam. We are truly screwed.

Mr. Arrogant on January 31, 2013 at 10:20 AM

Let’s replace ‘Amnesty’ with ‘Reward’ because that’s exactly what it is. Positive reinforcement for knowingly breaking the law.

jangle12 on January 31, 2013 at 7:16 AM

BINGO! Rewarding the thief with his ill-gotten goods (residency, in this case) is always a surefire way to discourage theft !!! /RubioSarc

Let’s stop using “amnesty”, because if a modest fine is imposed for stealing the gift of American citizenship, then it is technically not amnesty. It’s much worse — it’s a freakin’ REWARD for illegal behavior!

fred5678 on January 31, 2013 at 8:51 AM

So does supporting crime by illegals, (ID theft etc) without serious penalties, including deportation, puts the pro-amnesty GOP in the “complicity” or “accomplice” bracket?

Don L on January 31, 2013 at 10:38 AM

FIrst things first, there’s a difference between a “green card” and citizenship. I believe Rubio is talking about green cards and bringing people out of the shadows. If the path to citizenship takes time, that’s fine, as long as they don’t automatically become citizens, which I believe is what Rubio is talking about.

bflat879 on January 31, 2013 at 10:54 AM

Read Erick Erickson and the boss emeritus for further objections. Conservatives on the Hill are evidently already worried about Rubio getting rolled by Schumer and hurting himself for 2016, but like I said, I think that’s overblown. -Allah Pundit

We need a successful conservator Governor in 2016…with a successful record.

workingclass artist on January 31, 2013 at 11:01 AM

You are fine with socialism being massively strengthened but others are not.

sharrukin on January 31, 2013 at 2:22 AM

I am not fine with socialism. In fact, unlike and idiot like yourself, I had to earn my US citizenship through the legal way escaping from a socialist country. And that means that I am a highly skilled immigrant with more education that somebody like you can dream of. So don’t lecture me about a reality you don’t even know.

You are just behaving as an idiot liberal on this matter. You live in your own fantasy land in which illegal immigration is the result of some kind of worldwide conspiracy destined to destroy the US. It is not. It is the result of internal American market forces, plain and simple. American employers face a lot of risk hiring illegal immigrants but they do it because a) there are no Americans available to work at those low wages, b) the current American immigration system, for all practical purposes, provides no legal way to bring in unqualified immigrants. Most legal immigration is based on family reunification (that would have been ended in 2007 but idiots like you made sure it didn’t happen). Immigration through work is reserved primarily for highly skilled individuals. So American employers that want to hire legally unskilled workers are pretty much without options, which is why the illegal immigration problem exits. The Marco Rubio plan is a good plan. The 2007 McCain plan was even better, because as I said, got rid of family reunification as the main feature of immigration laws. Idiots like you are the ones responsible for the increased pool of Democratic voting Hispanics.

Get yourself educated, page 3. When you have a system, like the current one, that allows any US citizen older than 21 to sponsor his/her parents as immediate relatives (meaning without any annual quotas whatsoever) and his/her siblings (with quotas but still bearable) as greencard holders, you get 691,003 immigrants a year due to family reunification and only 148,343 because of their skills. And with the current system, all you need to do is to have an anchor baby in the US and wait until he/she becomes 21 to abuse it.

You are completely unreasonable and are making things worse. This insanity has to stop but it’s people like you keeps the insanity going.

p_incorrect on January 31, 2013 at 11:50 AM

You are fine with socialism being massively strengthened but others are not.

sharrukin on January 31, 2013 at 2:22 AM

And to follow up, these are
the numbers for naturalization. The current system gives you almost 100000 new US citizens a year of Mexican origin, and that’s because the wannabe citizens come from the pool of those who already have a greencard. The reason for this insanity is a system that favors overwhelmingly family reunification. Do nothing, and in 10 years you’ll still get 1 million more naturalized Americans of Mexican origin that will keep voting overwhelmingly Democratic. That’s what your idiotic opposition will give.

p_incorrect on January 31, 2013 at 12:15 PM

Reagan passed and immigration bill and it did not work because the congress which was democratic failed to get money out there to secure the borders. There is a difference now because if Obama done his job when he first was elected about securing the border. He promised but that was just lip service. He done what he wanted to do.

Portia on January 31, 2013 at 12:24 PM

Rush said this morning that the “admirable and noteworthy” comment he made was intended to praise Rubio for his brave criticism of Obama. It was not meant to apply to the amnesty plan. He’s not on board, apparently.

Allahs vulva on January 31, 2013 at 1:16 PM

The Rs are here to civilize thier “savage” base, not win elections.

2014 will be a blow out if amnesty passes.

BoxHead1 on January 31, 2013 at 1:47 PM

The GOP is officially going to split itself apart. … The GOP is about to go the way of the Whigs.

libfreeordie on January 31, 2013 at 8:51 AM

I agree the GOP is done if they allow any amnesty to pass. We’ve been here before with an amnesty passed for the lawless no enforcement and millions of illegals flowing in afterward. It’s madness to sign on to something like that again when it can be stopped in the House.I’m done with the GOP if amnesty passes and its not because I’m a “hardcore nativist” its because I actually believe in the rule of law and that laws shouldn’t be ignored to pander politically to one group.I also believe you are not going to like what rises to replace the GOP. How do you think fascist groups like Golden Dawn become acceptable that happens when the rule of law is ignored.

Hera on January 31, 2013 at 4:08 PM

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