Pushback: Gingrich, Vitter, National Review, Malkin, Coulter, Erickson oppose Rubio’s immigration plan

posted at 3:51 pm on January 30, 2013 by Allahpundit

The key subplot to Rubio’s immigration push, of course, is how much of a headache it’ll be for him with conservatives in the 2016 primaries. The talk-radio charm offensive is mainly designed to get grassroots opinion-shapers like Rush to at least wait and see what the bill looks like before lobbying against it, but more broadly it’s designed to move the Overton window on what positions are acceptable for a good conservative to hold. Rubio can afford to have immigration reform fail; he can’t afford to be RINO-ized over it. Like I said yesterday, whether or not a bill ends up passing, he’s already achieved something significant by getting Rush et al. to acknowledge that “recognizing reality” in terms of a grand bargain on immigration is something “admirable and noteworthy.” No matter what happens now, unless he ends up voting for a watered-down Democratic bill with token enforcement (which he won’t), he’s got that as a soundbite for his primary ads in 2016. James Antle makes a good point too in noting that none of Rubio’s would-be rivals for the nomination have attacked him on this yet. Jindal, Paul, and Christie have all kept quiet and Ryan has actually endorsed Rubio’s plan. The likely candidates don’t want to alienate Latino voters and the pundits with big audiences don’t want to kneecap a guy who might end up being the party’s best chance to regain the presidency.

So how’s all of this playing with conservatives in the Senate and online? Is Rubiomania enough in itself to convince people to reserve judgment until the first draft bill hits the floor in March? Not yet:

“I love and respect Marco. I think he’s just amazingly naïve on this issue,” Vitter said. “This is the same old formula that we’ve dealt with before, including when it passed in 1986, and that is promises of enforcement and immediate amnesty. And of course, the promises of enforcement never materialize. The amnesty happens immediately — the millisecond the bill is signed into law, and the same is true here. No, they won’t be citizens immediately. They will be legal.”

“Citizenship is guaranteed at that point as a practical matter,” he added…

“Look, as soon as you give these people a legal status, to say that you’re going to reverse that is ridiculous,” Vitter said. “It’ll never happen. As soon as you give them a legal status, they are here legally forever and probably they’re citizens pretty darn soon after. And if Marco thinks no matter what happens or doesn’t happen on the enforcement side that’s not going to happen, I just think he’s nuts.”

Yeah, Rubio’s wisely focused on the enforcement provisions in his chats with conservative media but even if he gets Schumer et al. to bend a little on those — which I think they will, if only because enforcement can be eroded over time — he’s got the problem Vitter mentions of immediate probationary legal status for illegals who are already here. I don’t think Schumer will be as yielding about that. Neither does National Review, which opposes the bill in part on grounds that, let’s face it, there’s no way Democrats can be trusted on this issue:

[B]roader reform measures must wait until credible enforcement mechanisms are in place. Those mechanisms include, at a minimum, a physically secured border and mandatory universal use of the E-Verify system, which confirms the legal status of new hires. We agree with Senator Rubio’s view that “we can’t be the only nation in the world that does not enforce its immigration laws. . . . Modernization of the legal immigration system is impossible unless we first secure the border and implement an E-Verify system.” We very much doubt that Senator Rubio will achieve meaningful border security in cooperation with Senators Schumer, Durbin, Menendez, and Bennet. The less-of-the-same version being developed in the House with the support of John Boehner and Paul Ryan almost certainly will suffer from similar defects, since it appears to be based on the same premises…

Senator Rubio, an exemplary conservative leader, is correct that our immigration system is broken. And he is correct that, at some point, we are going to have to do something about the millions of illegals already here. But he is wrong about how to go about repairing our immigration system, and wrong to think that an amnesty-and-enforcement bill at this time will end up being anything other than the unbuttered side of a half-a-loaf deal. And there is no reason to make a bad deal for fear of losing a Latino vote Republicans never had.

If you believe, as NR does and as even some liberals acknowledge, that Latinos are likely to go on voting Democratic in the medium-term at least, then it’s perfectly rational for Democrats to go on trying to weaken border security measures in the drafting process and later, after something’s passed. (Passionate supporters of organized labor may disagree, natch.) Meanwhile, Newt Gingrich objects to the bill partly because he objects to the process:

Gingrich, who won applause for his piecemeal immigration reform package during the 2012 GOP presidential primaries, said he would not endorse the bipartisan immigration reform pushed by McCain and Rubio–and that is extremely similar to President Obama’s offering…

“Frankly, I’m pretty tired of a handful of people in Washington, starting with the president, meeting in secret meetings in closed rooms to cut giant deals to come out with a ‘yes’ or ‘no’ vote to then tell the rest of us that it will be a catastrophe if we vote ‘no.’ I think that’s really bad government and I don’t think it produces good ideas,” said Gingrich.

Read Erick Erickson and the boss emeritus for further objections. Conservatives on the Hill are evidently already worried about Rubio getting rolled by Schumer and hurting himself for 2016, but like I said, I think that’s overblown. If worse comes to worst and grassroots opinion turns decisively against the bill, Rubio will turn on it too. He’s already done most of the heavy lifting he needs to do on this issue by making himself a face of immigration reform, no matter what the eventual outcome. And no matter what you think of the bill, his media outreach effort is impressive. It’s not just Rush and Hannity he’s talking to; he came on Ed’s radio show the other day to speak directly to blog readers and he’s got an op-ed today at Red State responding to Erickson’s piece. If you think the GOP suffers from chronically poor messaging, as basically every conservative does, then take some comfort in the fact that this guy knows what he’s doing on that front even if you oppose his goal.

Here’s Coulter with Howie Carr, also in need of a lottttt of persuasion.


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Oh, yeah, SENATOR Boxer, that’ll work. The Democrats hold the White House and the Senate……..

flataffect on May 14, 2013 at 10:34 PM

Please don’t inject reality into this.

tgharris on May 14, 2013 at 10:50 PM

There are 3 cities on the Libyian coast with airports of note. Benghazi is one of them, easternmost. If you were flying in weapons heading east,, what would you pick? Tripoli is all the way west. 120 miles or so from Tunisia.

Stevens had dinner that night with who?

They were running guns, folks.

Security was kept low as to not draw attention.

wolly4321 on May 14, 2013 at 10:52 PM

You’ll have to pardon Babs Boxer. Just like Pelosi, Botox is taking it’s toll.

GarandFan on May 14, 2013 at 10:56 PM

Sen. Boxer’s latest take on Benghazi: “Mirror, mirror, who cut the funding for diplomatic security”?

“There is no distinctly American criminal class – except Congress.” – Mark Twain

Dr. ZhivBlago on May 14, 2013 at 10:59 PM

wolly4321 on May 14, 2013 at 10:52 PM

And what is your point?

Such a fact would work to excuse the lies and put the exposure on CIA.

Helps Hillary and POTUS.

No?

IlikedAUH2O on May 14, 2013 at 10:59 PM

I detested the dumb remark about Sandra Fluke during the last campaign.

If Rushbo wants to call a woman a derogatory name….just lookie here.

IlikedAUH2O on May 14, 2013 at 11:01 PM

holy fluck you are an idiot.

tom daschle concerned on May 14, 2013 at 11:06 PM

What the hell is she wearing? She looks like she’s about to lead a Jazzercise class.

And she’s an idiot.

LASue on May 14, 2013 at 11:12 PM

You really don’t get it, do you?

No, it doesn’t help them. How would it?

CIA? Yea,. They are all complicit and shifting blame in a shell game.

Jihad is legitimate as a tenet of islam? Who said that?

These gubmint agencies may be fighting each other in the aftermath, but they started out in concert with each other. when it falls apart they isolate and blame each other.

Look at f&f. Same thing. Blame game.

wolly4321 on May 14, 2013 at 11:19 PM

Lies, bullshxt, lies, distractions, lies, propaganda, lies, Boxer, and lies.

Kenosha Kid on May 14, 2013 at 11:35 PM

Where’s a fire hose when you need it?

RobertMN on May 14, 2013 at 11:49 PM

Low information voters will hear her and believe her, and repeat it ad nauseum. That’s why the democrats lie perpetually even after the truth comes out. They know the lies will be long-lived, because the media supports the lies and ignores the truth.

The Rogue Tomato on May 14, 2013 at 11:57 PM

Barbara Boxer would be the dumbest person in the Senate, but she’s been bumped back by Patty Murray, Klochubar, and Babs Mikulski. Between the four of them, if brains were beans, they don’t have enough to make a bee fart.

Clearly funding wasn’t the issue, and just as clearly Boxer and Democrats are desperate to derail the investigation because of what it is certain to turn up. Because if the mountains of paper and dozens of witnesses Obama is blocking Congress from seeing were in any way helpful to him, or proved he was telling the truth, they would already be out.

Adjoran on May 15, 2013 at 12:03 AM

TDC- yep.

wolly4321 on May 15, 2013 at 12:12 AM

I detested the dumb remark about Sandra Fluke during the last campaign.

If Rushbo wants to call a woman a derogatory name….just lookie here.

IlikedAUH2O on May 14, 2013 at 11:01 PM

.
The only mistake ( maybe ) he made is not inquiring whether Ms Fluke was campaigning for herself, as well as others.

If she was including herself in the number of “needy” college girls, then the shoe F I T !
.
Conservative radio talk-show hosts should have no boundaries on them for using legitimate words in common usage, whether others deem it to be too vulgar or not.

listens2glenn on May 15, 2013 at 12:28 AM

..what an absolutely horrid piece of of flesh this creature is; a festering pile of pig afterbirth decaying in the 103 degree afternoon Barstow sun is more appealing than she. A rancid, fetid mound of cow diarrhea attracts a smaller swarm of flies than she. Reminds me of a dumpster full of used Kotexes, she does..

..I want to vomit.

The War Planner on May 15, 2013 at 12:37 AM

listens2glenn on May 15, 2013 at 12:28 AM

OK. Calling a law student a “slut” during a presidential campaign in front of 20 million listeners must make sense to some people but I am sure not one of them.

She wanted freebies. I really didn’t care about her sex habits and using that term just generated a lot of heat and very little light on the real subject.

IlikedAUH2O on May 15, 2013 at 12:48 AM

The Rogue Tomato on May 14, 2013 at 11:57 PM

Bingo! Yep, MSNBC and the rest have a new video and needn’t worry about any truth in it.

IlikedAUH2O on May 15, 2013 at 12:51 AM

Stevens had dinner that night with who?

They were running guns, folks.

Security was kept low as to not draw attention.

wolly4321 on May 14, 2013 at 10:52 PM

Turkish embassy person.

And our people ask for more security and the high and mighty decline it, over and over.

Still makes no sense.

IlikedAUH2O on May 15, 2013 at 12:57 AM

About Boxer: I didn’t know that donkey squeeze could talk.

hamradio on May 15, 2013 at 12:59 AM

Every now and then, Babs (Oops, that’s Sen. Babs) has to demonstrate to the world how truly stupid she is.
Today she did just that.

Another Drew on May 15, 2013 at 1:49 AM

Oh, Babs will go down with the ship. She’s a fanatic.

mojo on May 15, 2013 at 1:50 AM

Pathetic.

Delusional.

Democrat tool.

profitsbeard on May 15, 2013 at 2:34 AM

Shameless stupidity. And a reflection on her seriousness as a Senator.

pat on May 15, 2013 at 2:38 AM

Charlene Lamb testified in sworn testimony to Congress that budget was not a factor in cutting the security arrangements in Libya. She said it was a policy decision to go with a “lighter footprint” in a “laughably naive notion that if we were weak enough, nobody would see us as a threat so they wouldn’t attack us”. Ok, maybe I made up the “laughably naive” part, but the rest of it is true.

Boxer is, as usual, being dishonest.

crosspatch on May 15, 2013 at 4:18 AM

The Benghazi embassy was intentionally left to fly in the wind and everyone who is paying attention recognizes this. Boxer’s screeching is but the sound of nothing but stupid usery and I’d bet she knows this herself.

Whether it was a Hillary-plan or an Obama one handed down by indirect suggestions or direct nastiness on the lawn or across the street from the WH in that Islam-associated coffee shop, it was certainly an intentional act to reduce-deny security protections to that embassy location — or to the staff associated with the place (either/or, personnel or location, “what does it matter”).

Lourdes on May 15, 2013 at 4:35 AM

If the only way to get this jackass out of the Senate is to give California back to Mehico, I say “Let’s do it!”

olesparkie on May 15, 2013 at 6:03 AM

There are many worthy nominees for absolute dumbest member of Congress (both houses), but Boxer seems to always find a way to justify her perpetual inclusion on that list.

If want to know why California will sink into the Pacific long before any earthquake forces the issue, look no further than who they keep electing: Queen Pelosi, Gov Moonbeam, their entire state legislature, and yes, Barbara Boxer.

NeoCon_1 on May 15, 2013 at 7:09 AM

Barbara,

Let’s say for a minute that you are correct and that it is completely the GOP’s fault that there was less money for diplomatic security at the time of the Benghazi fiasco.

Now, explain how that results in the GOP being responsible for the Obama administration ignoring warnings of possible terrorist attacks in Egypt.

Next explain how the lack of funding caused the Obama administration to purposefully lie about the cause of the Benghazi attack and use the full weight of the U.S. Gov’t to go after someone for exerting his first amendment rights in making a video?

You see Babs, even assuming that your idiotic first claim is true, it doesn’t absolve Obama for incompetence and dishonesty.

Monkeytoe on May 15, 2013 at 7:32 AM

Point to Schumer, since he’s in charge of messaging. I can’t believe the Democrats are going here, but then this isn’t for normal people, this is for the low information voter.

bflat879 on May 15, 2013 at 7:52 AM

Another glowing example of the wisdom found in California politics!

Pardonme on May 15, 2013 at 7:56 AM

Lamb responded, “No, sir.”

I bet he’s a Republican HACK! Investigate his political contributions!

/libstupidity (let’s!)

Axeman on May 15, 2013 at 8:01 AM

What difference does it make who cut security–whether it was Republicans and their voodoo cuts in the unpassed Ryan budget or some guys out for a walk one night who decided to cut security for the Libyan consulate.

Axeman on May 15, 2013 at 8:11 AM

As I said the first time they tried this: Democrats had claimed that the only reason that cons don’t like big government is that they can’t manage it like libs can. But now they say that without as much funding as they can theorize, they can’t allocate a minimum level of security for one of the hottest embassies on the planet.

Cutting funding is bad. Cutting funding is bad….the first word on Obamacare was to “bend the cost curve downward”. We were spending “too much” (for an aging populace?) on medical care.

Axeman on May 15, 2013 at 8:17 AM

The “repubs cut funding” must have gone out on journolist, or the super-double-secret meetings, or Valerie’s texts, or whatever. I’ve seen them trying that one quite a bit lately.

Boudica on May 15, 2013 at 8:27 AM

It was already stated by state that funding had no role. Running lies is bad enough. How stupid do you have to be to run a lie that the administration had debunked. Really really stupid Senator.

scboy on May 15, 2013 at 8:47 AM

lipstick on a hag…still a hag…a hag in a pantsuit

crosshugger on May 15, 2013 at 8:53 AM

Of all the scandals we get to choose from lately, it seems like Benghazi is the one they are freaking out about the most, and trying to act like they really don’t care about it. “No big deal, just rethuglicans hyper-partisan hysteria, move along…” But really, this is the one they are peeing their pants(suits) over.

Boudica on May 15, 2013 at 9:01 AM

Senile ‘ol biddy. I cannot believe Cali re-elected her. What a bunch of goofs out there.

jake49 on May 15, 2013 at 9:47 AM

Gee, another bad case of plastic face. Her face is as phony as the rest of her.

{^_^}

herself on May 15, 2013 at 10:13 AM

Barbara Boxer should thank her lucky stars for Maxine Waters, the only person keeping her from being the stupidest member of Congress.

Tyrone Slothrop on May 15, 2013 at 10:42 AM

It would be so worth going to jail for punching this woman in the face, but alas, I won’t. I wish North Korea would nuke California off the map.

F_This on May 15, 2013 at 12:42 PM

This is so F’in dumb. Even IF you grant that budget cuts could scale back security at some State Dept facilities abroad, is it even REMOTELY thinkable that we’d start with… say, I don’t know… oh, I know, facilities in a country that just had a civil war ?

Come on already. Are you really THAT dumb ? Or do you just think THAT little of the people of this country that this idea wasn’t dismissed immediately.

Give me a break.

So even IF budget cuts were a factor, wouldn’t that STILL lay at the feet of the incompetent members of the Obama administration that, faced with budget cuts for security, thought Benghazi and Libya were the places to save money ?

deadrody on May 15, 2013 at 4:30 PM

Barbara Boxer is part of the reason California is filled to the brim with unemployed illegal transient/migrant people from other places.

If the government weren’t spending so much money on GREEN ENERGY scams and filling the coffers of corrupt politicians it WOULD have enough money to fund the government departments that should be funded…i.e. like our military.

President Obama and his minions have been VERY,VERY bad boyz and gurlz…..They don’t just LIE, they believe their lies, they spread their lies and their lies have bankrupted our future and killed many in their path….AND they aren’t done folks! Expect the desperate to come unhidged!

ActinUpinTexas on May 15, 2013 at 5:03 PM

Do budget cuts cause talking points to change?

djaymick on May 15, 2013 at 8:27 PM

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