Pushback: Gingrich, Vitter, National Review, Malkin, Coulter, Erickson oppose Rubio’s immigration plan
posted at 3:51 pm on January 30, 2013 by Allahpundit
The key subplot to Rubio’s immigration push, of course, is how much of a headache it’ll be for him with conservatives in the 2016 primaries. The talk-radio charm offensive is mainly designed to get grassroots opinion-shapers like Rush to at least wait and see what the bill looks like before lobbying against it, but more broadly it’s designed to move the Overton window on what positions are acceptable for a good conservative to hold. Rubio can afford to have immigration reform fail; he can’t afford to be RINO-ized over it. Like I said yesterday, whether or not a bill ends up passing, he’s already achieved something significant by getting Rush et al. to acknowledge that “recognizing reality” in terms of a grand bargain on immigration is something “admirable and noteworthy.” No matter what happens now, unless he ends up voting for a watered-down Democratic bill with token enforcement (which he won’t), he’s got that as a soundbite for his primary ads in 2016. James Antle makes a good point too in noting that none of Rubio’s would-be rivals for the nomination have attacked him on this yet. Jindal, Paul, and Christie have all kept quiet and Ryan has actually endorsed Rubio’s plan. The likely candidates don’t want to alienate Latino voters and the pundits with big audiences don’t want to kneecap a guy who might end up being the party’s best chance to regain the presidency.
So how’s all of this playing with conservatives in the Senate and online? Is Rubiomania enough in itself to convince people to reserve judgment until the first draft bill hits the floor in March? Not yet:
“I love and respect Marco. I think he’s just amazingly naïve on this issue,” Vitter said. “This is the same old formula that we’ve dealt with before, including when it passed in 1986, and that is promises of enforcement and immediate amnesty. And of course, the promises of enforcement never materialize. The amnesty happens immediately — the millisecond the bill is signed into law, and the same is true here. No, they won’t be citizens immediately. They will be legal.”
“Citizenship is guaranteed at that point as a practical matter,” he added…
“Look, as soon as you give these people a legal status, to say that you’re going to reverse that is ridiculous,” Vitter said. “It’ll never happen. As soon as you give them a legal status, they are here legally forever and probably they’re citizens pretty darn soon after. And if Marco thinks no matter what happens or doesn’t happen on the enforcement side that’s not going to happen, I just think he’s nuts.”
Yeah, Rubio’s wisely focused on the enforcement provisions in his chats with conservative media but even if he gets Schumer et al. to bend a little on those — which I think they will, if only because enforcement can be eroded over time — he’s got the problem Vitter mentions of immediate probationary legal status for illegals who are already here. I don’t think Schumer will be as yielding about that. Neither does National Review, which opposes the bill in part on grounds that, let’s face it, there’s no way Democrats can be trusted on this issue:
[B]roader reform measures must wait until credible enforcement mechanisms are in place. Those mechanisms include, at a minimum, a physically secured border and mandatory universal use of the E-Verify system, which confirms the legal status of new hires. We agree with Senator Rubio’s view that “we can’t be the only nation in the world that does not enforce its immigration laws. . . . Modernization of the legal immigration system is impossible unless we first secure the border and implement an E-Verify system.” We very much doubt that Senator Rubio will achieve meaningful border security in cooperation with Senators Schumer, Durbin, Menendez, and Bennet. The less-of-the-same version being developed in the House with the support of John Boehner and Paul Ryan almost certainly will suffer from similar defects, since it appears to be based on the same premises…
Senator Rubio, an exemplary conservative leader, is correct that our immigration system is broken. And he is correct that, at some point, we are going to have to do something about the millions of illegals already here. But he is wrong about how to go about repairing our immigration system, and wrong to think that an amnesty-and-enforcement bill at this time will end up being anything other than the unbuttered side of a half-a-loaf deal. And there is no reason to make a bad deal for fear of losing a Latino vote Republicans never had.
If you believe, as NR does and as even some liberals acknowledge, that Latinos are likely to go on voting Democratic in the medium-term at least, then it’s perfectly rational for Democrats to go on trying to weaken border security measures in the drafting process and later, after something’s passed. (Passionate supporters of organized labor may disagree, natch.) Meanwhile, Newt Gingrich objects to the bill partly because he objects to the process:
Gingrich, who won applause for his piecemeal immigration reform package during the 2012 GOP presidential primaries, said he would not endorse the bipartisan immigration reform pushed by McCain and Rubio–and that is extremely similar to President Obama’s offering…
“Frankly, I’m pretty tired of a handful of people in Washington, starting with the president, meeting in secret meetings in closed rooms to cut giant deals to come out with a ‘yes’ or ‘no’ vote to then tell the rest of us that it will be a catastrophe if we vote ‘no.’ I think that’s really bad government and I don’t think it produces good ideas,” said Gingrich.
Read Erick Erickson and the boss emeritus for further objections. Conservatives on the Hill are evidently already worried about Rubio getting rolled by Schumer and hurting himself for 2016, but like I said, I think that’s overblown. If worse comes to worst and grassroots opinion turns decisively against the bill, Rubio will turn on it too. He’s already done most of the heavy lifting he needs to do on this issue by making himself a face of immigration reform, no matter what the eventual outcome. And no matter what you think of the bill, his media outreach effort is impressive. It’s not just Rush and Hannity he’s talking to; he came on Ed’s radio show the other day to speak directly to blog readers and he’s got an op-ed today at Red State responding to Erickson’s piece. If you think the GOP suffers from chronically poor messaging, as basically every conservative does, then take some comfort in the fact that this guy knows what he’s doing on that front even if you oppose his goal.
Here’s Coulter with Howie Carr, also in need of a lottttt of persuasion.
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Cruz is my new favorite.
nobar on May 22, 2013 at 5:24 PM
Can we clone Ted Cruz?
geojed on May 22, 2013 at 5:25 PM
I’m liking me some Cruz!
CTSherman on May 22, 2013 at 5:27 PM
“He’s such a bully. Why can’t he just get along? WAAAAAAAAAH!”
/now both republicans and democrats
Ward Cleaver on May 22, 2013 at 5:27 PM
W. Churchill
tom daschle concerned on May 22, 2013 at 5:27 PM
That’s funny.
Me too. Or maybe Rand Paul, they’re both keeping me from going over the edge into complete cynicism.
Fenris on May 22, 2013 at 5:27 PM
No, but I think there’s others like Ted out there, we’ve just got to get them elected.
Ward Cleaver on May 22, 2013 at 5:28 PM
Isn’t it time to quit calling it a ceiling? It’s more of a budget elevator. One of those space elevators that go all the way into low earth orbit.
Lily on May 22, 2013 at 5:29 PM
Ted Cruz may be the only Republican I’ll ever vote for again. I have never and will never vote for a Democrat.
txhsmom on May 22, 2013 at 5:30 PM
I think it’s funny that you think it matters worth a tinker’s dam who gets elected.
gryphon202 on May 22, 2013 at 5:32 PM
Love Ted Cruz.
But would never soil my honor by abstaining from an election and giving it to a donk by default. Never.
When people say the Tea Party sat out the election because of Romney, they are now mistaken. They sat out because they were kneecapped by the donks
clnurnberg on May 22, 2013 at 5:34 PM
Damn McCain.
I really despise him.
portlandon on May 22, 2013 at 5:34 PM
Balls.
GodDAMN.
MadisonConservative on May 22, 2013 at 5:34 PM
OT
This story is gaining traction. Hehehehe.
The first lady may have once dated the Internal Revenue Service’s top watchdog, Inspector General J. Russell George.
The two crossed paths in the late ’80s, when they were both students at Harvard Law School.
In between working for Republican Sen. Bob Dole and President George H.W. Bush, George attended Harvard, according to a profile published in National Journal on Wednesday.
http://dailycaller.com/2013/05/22/michelle-obama-may-have-dated-irs-inspector-general-in-law-school/
wyntre9 on May 22, 2013 at 5:34 PM
Love Cruz almost as much as Trey the Platinum Fox.
wyntre9 on May 22, 2013 at 5:35 PM
Pols get the elevator,
We get the shaft
clnurnberg on May 22, 2013 at 5:35 PM
CRUZ RULES! This is why I voted for him in TX.
TX-96 on May 22, 2013 at 5:35 PM
Cruz has obviously been paying attention.
John McCain is “Exhibit A” to the argument of why nobody should trust Republicans to do what is best for the nation.
AZCoyote on May 22, 2013 at 5:35 PM
I’ll trade you a Collins and a King for Cruz
aceinstall on May 22, 2013 at 5:37 PM
Come on, the fiscal house of cards can surely hold a few more right there on top; it won’t fall over, promise.
Bishop on May 22, 2013 at 5:37 PM
I’ve gone over into complete cynicism. Only because there are so few Congress Critters that make sense. It’s like a tiny insignificant 3rd party.
kirkill on May 22, 2013 at 5:38 PM
love this guy!
crrr6 on May 22, 2013 at 5:38 PM
Yes, I definitely like the cut of this Cruz fellow’s jib.
rbj on May 22, 2013 at 5:39 PM
My Cruz votes* are ones that I’m sooo glad that I cast!
(Primary, run-off, general)
annoyinglittletwerp on May 22, 2013 at 5:39 PM
Outstanding. I like the cut of his jib.
RadClown on May 22, 2013 at 5:40 PM
sesqui, is that you too?
DanMan on May 22, 2013 at 5:41 PM
U.S. Admits for First Time Drones Killed 4 Americans
Resist We Much on May 22, 2013 at 5:44 PM
Prepare for the worst, hope for the best.
Fenris on May 22, 2013 at 5:44 PM
Wish we had more out there with cajones…
Debt ceiling shenanigans got us that whole “sequester” nonsense.
We are way past enough is enough.
Meanwhile…the GOP is joining hands, singing Kumbaya with the Dems, and ushering in the age of totally awesome immigration…
coldwarrior on May 22, 2013 at 5:46 PM
Cruz to McCain:
“You are a liar to the people.”
peski on May 22, 2013 at 5:48 PM
Meh. I’ve (heard) read many impassioned statements here that are just as good as what Cruz says on a regular basis.
I guess the fact that he says them in a room of dim bulbs is enough to get us all going but really, aren’t you just thinking to yourself,
“finally someone there says what I’ve been thinking for years!”
I guess one or two guys like him will have to do for now though.
can_con on May 22, 2013 at 5:49 PM
Ted Cruz will not back down.
I will not back down.
Millions and Millions of we Americans will not back down.
We will have Ted Cruz’s back and back him up too.
Push
APACHEWHOKNOWS on May 22, 2013 at 5:50 PM
Nothing will get fixed until we have 99 more
Ted Cruz’s in the Senate.
redguy on May 22, 2013 at 5:51 PM
Ha! +1
GWB on May 22, 2013 at 5:57 PM
He’s all we got.
echosyst on May 22, 2013 at 5:58 PM
Cruz – so much of what Rubio is not.
VorDaj on May 22, 2013 at 5:59 PM
1 man on an island to represent all of us. Sad.
hillsoftx on May 22, 2013 at 5:59 PM
I can tell you how John McCain is going to die. Ted Cruz or Rand Paul will give him a heart attack.
Mark1971 on May 22, 2013 at 6:01 PM
Who cares what that poco hombre says anymore?
VorDaj on May 22, 2013 at 6:01 PM
Yes!
clnurnberg on May 22, 2013 at 6:02 PM
<— Proud Member of the Ted Cruz Party.
Republi what?
Varchild on May 22, 2013 at 6:02 PM
Tax and Spend Two Party Evil Money Cult in Washington D.C..
The Two Party Evil Money Cult in Washington D.C. now enabled by Rubio lust with evi greed for illegal immigrants for wage/vote slaves.
APACHEWHOKNOWS on May 22, 2013 at 6:03 PM
its offensive to me to see ocho rubio mentioned in the same breath as Ted Cruz.
The former is a filthy traitor. The latter, a man of presidential timbre.
renalin on May 22, 2013 at 6:05 PM
I voted for Cruz
Thank Me!
Bleed_thelizard on May 22, 2013 at 6:06 PM
Wait a minute, didn’t Cruz run and win on a Republican ticket? So he doesn’t trust himself (a Republican)? This is just red meat to the base. Thats all.
tommy71 on May 22, 2013 at 6:06 PM
And through all this John McCain has attained, and has created for himself serenity, and it is only his insanity that is keeping him alive in his senility.
RasThavas on May 22, 2013 at 6:07 PM
Y’all do know that all this Cruz love is gonna’ make it all the harder when he betrays y’all.
cozmo on May 22, 2013 at 6:08 PM
Senors y Senoritas, Ladies and Gentlemen, Amigos – comrades – muchachos – friends. The time will come when a first world America will outlive its usefulness. Marx, either Groucho or Karl, I can’t remember which, maybe it was both or maybe it was Harpo, once said that America is the opiate of the people. I say that when America outlives its usefulness and becomes a majority latino nation , then opium…will be the opiate…Ahh that’s not a bad idea… we are going to need that badly especially when the booze runs out …
And the completely unbiased and bi-partisan panel, has determined to give the grand prize to Marco Rubio for his EARNESTY’S RAINBOW. Now EARNESTY’S RAINBOW is a token of this man’s genius…he told me so himself and repeatedly … that he could change perceptions by calling his plan for knocking down those pesky borders EARNESTY …in other words, he could have been more specific, but rather than allude to an articulation of the mundane, he has come to the conclusion that brevity is the importance of our nation’s shallow first world existence. God damn!
Marco Rubio’s . EARNESTY’S RAINBOW – is a small contribution to a certain degree, since there are over seven billion people in the world today. 450 of them … million live in the United States and Mexico which is a very, very small amount compared to those who will be miserable and dying elsewhere…Well, I say that you will be on the road to new horizons, for we who live in a society where citizenship is a commodity and a politician can become a TV personality, it’s not easy to conform if you have any morality…I, I, I said that myself many years ago…
RasThavas on May 22, 2013 at 6:10 PM
cozmo on May 22, 2013 at 6:08 PM
*glares*
annoyinglittletwerp on May 22, 2013 at 6:10 PM
Trust no one.
RealMc on May 22, 2013 at 6:11 PM
Obtuse much?
xblade on May 22, 2013 at 6:11 PM
Really?
You know that day will come.
cozmo on May 22, 2013 at 6:12 PM
I think I see the problem here…
Seven Percent Solution on May 22, 2013 at 6:12 PM
And cozmo is bang on accurate.
tommy71 on May 22, 2013 at 6:13 PM
like anybody listens to a romney fluffer anywho. LOL
renalin on May 22, 2013 at 6:13 PM
Romney fluffer?
You forgot your ritalin…again.
cozmo on May 22, 2013 at 6:19 PM
Smart man that Senator Cruz.
gophergirl on May 22, 2013 at 6:23 PM
I wonder how long it will take before McVain starts some Cruz name-calling. He only attacks conservatives. Wouldn’t know how to go after a lib.
Mirimichi on May 22, 2013 at 6:25 PM
It is not about just Ted Cruz, it is not just about this commie democrat party with this Sgt. Shultz leader they misled U.S. all with.
Ted Cruz if he should ever go over to the dark side means nothing.
It is about the rule of law, our constitution, freedom, individual liberty and self goverment.
We are strong just look at the people in Moore Ok. third bad storm and what do they do. Get at clean up, get after re-building, takeing care of one another. Take most any other disaster in most of America, we get the job done and we take care of one another.
Wichita Falls Tx back in 1979 or so, F-5 there, next day, clean up started, next day re-building going on, two years later most of the work done.
We must fight now just like many times prior. It is not a new thing is it?
APACHEWHOKNOWS on May 22, 2013 at 6:28 PM
Cruz will excite the base and attract Reagan Democrats and independents to sweep to victory in 2016.Finally, a Republican whom conservatives can trust!
redware on May 22, 2013 at 6:31 PM
Sen Cruz showing McCain that being a “maverick” is more than sucking up to the Washington establishment.
SAMinVA on May 22, 2013 at 6:31 PM
The future of the Republican party…Ted Cruz and Trey ( pit bull ) Gowdy. I luv these guys.
Bacon4allah on May 22, 2013 at 6:34 PM
We don’t need a Debt Ceiling. We need a SPENDING CEILING.
I.E. Place a CAP on SPENDING within a single fiscal year. Any attempt to go over the spending cap triggers a automatic cuts to entitlement programs $2 worth of cuts for every $1 of spending over the cap.
Varchild on May 22, 2013 at 6:38 PM
tset too
APACHEWHOKNOWS on May 22, 2013 at 6:39 PM
I can’t throw ‘em either…but I’d like to try.
Axeman on May 22, 2013 at 7:00 PM
The DIFFERENCE between a CONSERVATIVE and a SELF-SERVING, ESTABLISHMENT CLOWN KNOWN AS A REPUBLICAN has NEVER been more clear.
TeaPartyNation on May 22, 2013 at 7:03 PM
You’ll join us over the edge when you realize conservatives are applauding Cruz for what should-be the basic position of all our representatives, at least in a sane world. The fact that he’s the only one stating what should be a basic premise, an absolute minimum sensible fact, (and getting accolades for stating the obvious) means we’re toast.
I think the guy is terrific, but he’s too little, too late.
Lost in Jersey on May 22, 2013 at 7:05 PM
I like Cruz more and more and like Rand Paul less now that he supports amnesty.
FloatingRock on May 22, 2013 at 7:15 PM
I’ve hated him since he endorsed Obama back in ’08.
Alberta_Patriot on May 22, 2013 at 7:16 PM
McCain is such a clown…
I am not sure I can anymore than that…
William Eaton on May 22, 2013 at 7:17 PM
Exactly!
I bow to your superior snark.
Lily on May 22, 2013 at 7:19 PM
oh wait I forgot, McCain makes Mittens look like a conservative.
William Eaton on May 22, 2013 at 7:19 PM
Damn you McCain. He passes the buck just like the rest of the @$$holes in Congress
hamradio on May 22, 2013 at 7:25 PM
No, I don’t trust the Republicans” with the debt ceiling either. But I trust Cruz.
Peace through strength.: The Cruz Missile.
petefrt on May 22, 2013 at 7:30 PM
Cruz is right. The GOP has its Beltway fossils of greater allegiance to Beltway as usual rather than to any Constitution or the peons.
Hatch and Miss Grahamnesty already have prostituted themselves for illegals with their committee vote. Rubio is a weather vane.
McVain rivals Tiny Tom Daschle in determination to get to any TV camera before anyone else with no limit to drama queening to effect same. That McVain was willing to deem Barky competent as POSOTUS only further confirmed McVain as unscrupulous.
viking01 on May 22, 2013 at 7:33 PM
I am amazed that I voted for McCain.
GaltBlvnAtty on May 22, 2013 at 7:59 PM
Cruz is most impressive. Rubio impresses one moment and fails, epically, the next. Rand Paul almost always impresses. The rest of the caucus is retarded, as are all of the Democrats in the world.
Jaibones on May 22, 2013 at 8:13 PM
Actually, you can finish the sentence above in about a million different ways, and it will still be correct.
Wino on May 22, 2013 at 8:15 PM
.. x 100.
(Used to be a crowd cheer in HS when the ref blew a call:
Elevator, elevator, we got the shaft!)
AesopFan on May 22, 2013 at 8:33 PM
I was wondering if anyone was gonna put their foot down about the budget. Here’s hoping Ted stays safe.
TMOverbeck on May 22, 2013 at 8:48 PM
Point of order – the debt is well outside low Earth orbit.
Steve Eggleston on May 22, 2013 at 9:14 PM
Today’s number is $11,866,707,237,456.99, or the amount of publicly-held government debt as of yesterday. I remember a time less than four years ago (9/29/2009, the next-to-last day of FY2009, to be exact) when the entirety of government debt, including intragovernmental debt, was less than that.
By the way – the amount of publicly-held debt when Teh SCOAMT assumed the office was $6,307,310,739,681.66, with total government debt more than $1 trillion less than the current amount of publicly-held debt.
Steve Eggleston on May 22, 2013 at 9:22 PM
Um, no, it’s not an intellectually consistent position. Democrats won in 2006 and 2008 in large part because they pretended to be, and promised to be, fiscal conservatives. That was a BIG LIE.
Let’s go back to what the Democrats put in writing in 2006, when they thought then-current deficits (like $248 Billion in FY 2006) were a NATIONAL SECURITY ISSUE…
Pelosi promised no more deficit spending. Pelosi promised that both in writing (above) and live on C-SPAN:
In 2008, Obama made deficit spending a campaign issue:
Republicans held majority control (holding 2+ out of 3 of the House, Senate, and Presidency) from January 3, 1995 to January 2, 2007 and were majority responsible for the FY 1996 to FY 2007 budgets. Over those 12 continuous years of Republican majority control, the total national debt increased from $4.974 Trillion to $9.008 Trillion, an increase of $4.034 Trillion over 12 years, for an average of $0.336 Trillion new debt per year.
The Democrats have held majority control (holding 2+ out of 3 of the House, Senate, and Presidency) since January 3, 2007, and are majority responsible for the FY 2008 to FY 2013 budgets (and have failed to pass a budget since FY 2009).
On April 30, 2013, after 5 and 2/3 Fiscal Years of Democrat majority control, the total national debt was $16.829 Trillion.
In 5 2/3 years, Democrat majorities have added more than $7.82 Trillion to the national debt, an average of $1.380 Trillion per year.
Obama said adding $4 Trillion in debt over 8 years (really over 12 years) was “irresponsible” and “unpatriotic”.
Yet Obama (first as a Senator in the Democratic majority, and then as pResident), has added over $7.82 Trillion in 5 and 2/3 years.
Republican majorities added an average of $0.336 Trillion new debt per year for 12 years.
Democrat majorities have been adding an average of $1.380 Trillion new debt per year for the last 6 Fiscal Years, all after Pelosi promised, in writing and from the Speaker’s rostrum on C-SPAN, “no more deficit spending”.
Democrats now claim that we don’t have a debt problem. LIARS.
In their view,
+$5 Trillion = $9 Trillion: BAD (when it was Bush and Republicans), but
+$7.8 Trillion = $16.8 Trillion: GOOD (when it was themselves doing it).
In their view,
$0.336 Trillion new debt per year: BAD (when it was Bush and Republicans), but
$1.380 Trillion new debt per year: GOOD (when it was themselves doing it).
Pelosi promised “fiscal discipline” and “no more deficit spending”, but then added more new debt than any other House Speaker in history.
Democrats promised “fiscal discipline” and “no more deficit spending”, but then added new debt at OVER FOUR TIMES THE RATE of the Republicans they criticized.
The Democrats are such shameless, boldfaced LIARS that it is despicable.
It is a big mistake for Senator Cruz to say that the Democrats have “an intellectually consistent position”.
ITguy on May 22, 2013 at 9:48 PM
Correction:
Should be +$4 Trillion, not +$5 Trillion.
Here’s a better way to say it:
ITguy on May 22, 2013 at 9:55 PM
yammer, yammer, yammer….. both parties are to blame. That’s a given. But nowhere in your “treatise” do I see any solution, much less bi-partisan objectivity. Did you cut and paste all that?
ultracon on May 22, 2013 at 10:36 PM
He is my senator. I helped in his campaign in whatever way I was able. I saw Dewhurst throw everything up against him and he beat him like an old rug. He is a stud! I couldnt be prouder of him. I hope he runs in 2016. I pray the Dems try to say he isnt really a US citizen. After Obama we will have a field day. I pray that the Dems say he doesnt have enough experience. Will they really think after Obama that will work? Bring it!
neyney on May 23, 2013 at 12:17 AM
When a true genius appears, you can know him by this sign: that all the dunces are in a confederacy against him. – Jonathan Swift
Cruz Rocks!
workingclass artist on May 23, 2013 at 1:34 AM
It’s a nice way to say they are consistently stupid and honest about it…He also said it’s immoral to our children and grandchildren to continue raising the debt and not cut spending.
workingclass artist on May 23, 2013 at 1:37 AM
Senators Cruz and Paul, if only we had more like them.
Panther on May 23, 2013 at 7:07 AM
As bad as Obama is, and he has been horrible, McCain might have been even worse as President.
jpmn on May 23, 2013 at 9:39 AM