MSNBC guest: Chicago is so violent partially because of global warming, or something

posted at 2:31 pm on January 30, 2013 by Erika Johnsen

2012 was a violent year for the city of Chicago, with more than 500 homicides on the books — and the incoming statistics for January are not indicating any type of positive trend, reports the AP:

A bloody weekend in which seven people were killed and six wounded has put an abrupt end – at least for now – to hopes that Chicago was at least putting a lid on its frightening homicide rate. …

Police say the homicide rate is a reflection of the city’s gang problem and a proliferation of guns. Chicago has for years tried to cut off the flow of guns. It has what city officials have called the strictest handgun ordinance in the U.S. But police officials say more needs to be done and that penalties for violating gun laws should be stiffer. …

With the weekend shootings, Chicago now has 40 homicides – the exact same number as last January. With a few days left in the year, the city could reach its deadliest January since 2002, when it had 45 homicides in the first month.

Via the WFB, on Morning Joe on Tuesday, Christie Hefner from the Center for American Progress offered an — er — creative explanation for one of the reasons explaining why that might be.

“Is it higher? Yes. Last year, we hit a record number of murders from guns, and this year, we were already outpacing last year’s numbers. Now, there are contributing factors that are not under anybody’s control, and it may seem odd, but it is factually true, one of them is actually the weather. There is a dramatic increase in gun violence when it is warmer, and we are having this climate-change effect that is driving that.

At which point, Scarborough interrupted Hefner: “Can I just stop you right there and say, conservative bloggers across America thank you for saying the climate change is responsible for the rising murder rate.” He nailed that one, because this conservative blogger definitely cannot let the comment about the heat wave/crime/climate change correlation fly unexamined. The panel went on to talk about policing methods and policy enforcement and drug laws, all of which might be legitimate points for debate — but climate change? Come on. Even if crime does intensify in seasonally warmer months, climate change is something that happens across the board, and one of the latest studies estimates that the earth’s surface temperature has warmed up approximately 0.28 degrees Fahrenheit in over 20 years — violent crime across the United States has been falling for decades now. And while there are certainly any number of factors responsible for that, in the discussion of why Chicago and New York are witnessing such drastic differences in their crime rates, I think it’s probably a million times more worthwhile to discuss Chicago’s policies and culture more than random wildcard talking points that help to skirt the real issues. Let’s stay focused here, people.


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This should be labeled as the moment when AGW officially jumped the shark.

antifederalist on January 30, 2013 at 2:36 PM

That makes sense considering how few murders occur in the Windy City which is one of the coldest places in the country….oh wait.

Doughboy on January 30, 2013 at 2:36 PM

How can he not just smack her in the head for saying that…?

NeoKong on January 30, 2013 at 2:37 PM

Sooooo – the murder rates in all the warm states should be significantly higher than Chicago – right?

dentarthurdent on January 30, 2013 at 2:37 PM

It JANUARY !!!

No matter how warn it is now, it’s cooler than July or August.

At what tempurature doe the “shoot to kill” gene activate ?

Gads ! that was a stupid thing to say.

Jabberwock on January 30, 2013 at 2:37 PM

So she is saying the violence is due to Hunters feeling spunky because of the early spring?

Fleuries on January 30, 2013 at 2:37 PM

God these people are stupid.

gator70 on January 30, 2013 at 2:38 PM

I will not watch the video – I assume Scarborough agreed?

jake-the-goose on January 30, 2013 at 2:38 PM

Not the brightest bulb in the building.

chemman on January 30, 2013 at 2:38 PM

Please, please, please tell me

Christie Hefner from the Center for American Progress

is the Christie Hefner that is Hugh’s daughter and ran his business years ago.

Because that would really explode a Liberal’s head jiving her current role, this level of idiocy, and the stereotyped Playboy opinion of a woman’s role.

M240H on January 30, 2013 at 2:38 PM

dentarthurdent on January 30, 2013 at 2:37 PM

2010 murders in Arizona: around 337
2010 murders in Chicago: around 410

I guess the windy city is generally warmer than Arizona.

chemman on January 30, 2013 at 2:40 PM

Such high-capacity stupid should be illegal.

JEM on January 30, 2013 at 2:40 PM

Please, please, please tell me

Christie Hefner from the Center for American Progress

is the Christie Hefner that is Hugh’s daughter and ran his business years ago.

Because that would really explode a Liberal’s head jiving her current role, this level of idiocy, and the stereotyped Playboy opinion of a woman’s role.

M240H on January 30, 2013 at 2:38 PM

One and the same.

Del Dolemonte on January 30, 2013 at 2:41 PM

I blame low-life criminals with guns. But that’s just me.

fogw on January 30, 2013 at 2:42 PM

ROFL

It’s January in Chicago when the latest 7 murders occurred.

Reason #1 why I own a gun: Because I am given daily evidence that pathetic, fascist douchebags like this woman are running free in society.

Bishop on January 30, 2013 at 2:43 PM

Riiiight … Chicago has been hit with cold and snow all winter.

These people are nuts and they’ll continue to spout this garbage until we start calling them exactly that.

darwin on January 30, 2013 at 2:43 PM

Maybe she’s having a flashback to the 60s and The Lovin’ Spoonful.

Drained Brain on January 30, 2013 at 2:43 PM

2010 murders in Arizona: around 337
2010 murders in Chicago: around 410

I guess the windy city is generally warmer than Arizona.

chemman on January 30, 2013 at 2:40 PM

Heyyyy – no fair using facts to ruin a perfectly good AGW meme…..

dentarthurdent on January 30, 2013 at 2:43 PM

It’s hard to fire a gun with mittens on. /

Ronnie on January 30, 2013 at 2:43 PM

Merge the memes: ask the heifer whether global warming will cause Guam to capsize.

Archivarix on January 30, 2013 at 2:43 PM

I wonder what made her become a communist?

darwin on January 30, 2013 at 2:44 PM

Oh, man…I’m jonesin’ for some MarcoMarcoMarco…

ddrintn on January 30, 2013 at 2:44 PM

There actually is a correlation – nice weekends are almost high-homicide times. Lots of people out and about, gangs running into each other.

Check out http://www.secondcitycop.blogspot.com for more on this.

It’s not a specific temperature that sets it off – it’s the change from the previous weather.

Daisy_WI on January 30, 2013 at 2:45 PM

To use that ol NASCAR expression.

This girl’s brain done been Burnt Splapped up.

ToddPA on January 30, 2013 at 2:45 PM

they jump the shark a long time ago

badswing on January 30, 2013 at 2:45 PM

Please, please, please tell me

Christie Hefner from the Center for American Progress

is the Christie Hefner that is Hugh’s daughter and ran his business years ago.

Because that would really explode a Liberal’s head jiving her current role, this level of idiocy, and the stereotyped Playboy opinion of a woman’s role.

M240H on January 30, 2013 at 2:38 PM

One and the same.

Del Dolemonte on January 30, 2013 at 2:41 PM

Well, if you’re going to peddle smut, I guess you might as well peddle sh!t.

M240H on January 30, 2013 at 2:45 PM

Guam is topping over…..

Opposite Day on January 30, 2013 at 2:46 PM

Eric Holder when he comes to trial for the gun running and all the dead Mexicans from the gun walking of Fast and Fruious.

“Well I am under oath and the truth is it did warm up because of AGW at the time, we should have considered that before Pres. Obama, Ms Clinton, myself all decided to run those assault wepons down into Mexico.”

If your going to lie, make it a good one.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on January 30, 2013 at 2:46 PM

If she’s not a GOP plant, then liberals just went further down in my estimation for this level of industrial-strength idiocy. So, should Loughner and Lanza get a pass, too? If so, then there’s no real need for an AWB, is there.

Global-warming–really?

Liam on January 30, 2013 at 2:46 PM

Is there anything AGW can’t do??

HumpBot Salvation on January 30, 2013 at 2:46 PM

So the globe is only warming in Chicago?

Lily on January 30, 2013 at 2:48 PM

RINO Joe is looking more like Alec Baldwin each day.

sentinelrules on January 30, 2013 at 2:49 PM

Wow. I mean, how do you even try and argue with that?

Ellis on January 30, 2013 at 2:50 PM

She must have had a silicon implant…

…PUT IN HER HEAD.

singlemalt 18 on January 30, 2013 at 2:50 PM

… not that the Morning Schmo would know anything about conservatives.

Warner Todd Huston on January 30, 2013 at 2:53 PM

So…what’s the over/under on the temp for “bustin’ a cap” on somebody?

Buck_Nekkid on January 30, 2013 at 2:53 PM

Christie Hefner is the former CEO of Play Boy.

Yeah…

BigGator5 on January 30, 2013 at 2:55 PM

Speaking as someone who has lived in Illinois all my life (though if I had my way, I would be on my way to Texas tonight!), let me just say that the idiots on Morning Schmo who made this jackass comment on how climate change is what is driving Chicago turning into a literal shooting gallery are so full of it, it is squirting out of their ears!

And Christie Hefner is a total airhead anyway!

pilamaye on January 30, 2013 at 2:56 PM

Sweet, now the EPA can focus on the gun crime problem and Hussein and DiFi can leave the rest us the hell alone.

antipc on January 30, 2013 at 2:56 PM

Can’t we just replace Morning Joe with Mr. Dressup of Mr. Roger’s Neighborhood?

At least it would be a better use of bandwidth. For the children!

can_con on January 30, 2013 at 2:56 PM

Joe didn’t say he didn’t agree with her did he..?

d1carter on January 30, 2013 at 2:56 PM

Chicago is getting warmer as it’s getting closer to Hell.

Archivarix on January 30, 2013 at 2:57 PM

I was baking some bread and it turned out more like a flour brick than bread. I blame climate change.

thuja on January 30, 2013 at 2:57 PM

Is there anything AGW can’t do??

HumpBot Salvation on January 30, 2013 at 2:46 PM

The AGW Card, Race Card, and Genitalia Cards are always on hand should a Leftist be confronted with their epic failures.

visions on January 30, 2013 at 2:59 PM

Idiot.

totherightofthem on January 30, 2013 at 3:00 PM

Oh, man…I’m jonesin’ for some MarcoMarcoMarco…s.

He grew up in warm weather so he can design a law that totally fixes global warming.

LetsBfrank on January 30, 2013 at 3:01 PM

There is no telling what I’ll do in warm weather.

Just sayin.

LetsBfrank on January 30, 2013 at 3:04 PM

OK then all you Neandrathal Conservatives. Just tell me how many murders there were in January in Antarctica!

/does this really need a sarc tag?

NOMOBO on January 30, 2013 at 3:04 PM

M240H on January 30, 2013 at 2:38 PM

One and the same.

Del Dolemonte on January 30, 2013 at 2:41 PM

Well, if you’re going to peddle smut, I guess you might as well peddle sh!t.

M240H on January 30, 2013 at 2:45 PM

She’s no longer with Playboy. She left after Dear Leader was elected.

She now runs a company that operates luxury spa resorts.

Del Dolemonte on January 30, 2013 at 3:05 PM

Troll-free thread?

steebo77 on January 30, 2013 at 3:05 PM

Hey, moron Scarborough! You want to know what is causing the increase in shootings in Chicago? Try the combination of political corruption that has been allowed to run rampant in not just the city, but the entire state for decades, a corrupt city council, a inept mayor with a foul mouth, a police force in disarray and gangbangers who have virtually no fear of any of the above!

pilamaye on January 30, 2013 at 3:06 PM

If you want to blame something for the outrageous amount of crime and murder in Chicago and other American urban centers why not just blame the Progressives themselves? Progressive Democrats and other assorted Leftists have controlled the apparatus of government, bureaucracy, the courts, the schools, as well as the sources of news and entertainment for generations. In all this time while violent crime has come down around the country as a whole, the murder rate and other types of “gun violence” in big cities has increased. Generations of grinding poverty, joblessness, drugs and alcohol abuse, etc tend to do that.

Democrats and Progressives talk a big game about caring for the downtrodden, but in reality just about every program, policy, and idea they come up with over the last century have been utter failures. How many more years are we supposed to put up with it? It’s time to tell these creeps exactly where they can go.

RobertE on January 30, 2013 at 3:08 PM

What lunacy. Chicago of all places. When the feds totally outlawed booze, Chicago was the heart of gangster land. Until you get rid of all the crooks in gubmint, Chicago is going to be the first stop before hell.

johnny reb on January 30, 2013 at 3:09 PM

Idiot

cmsinaz on January 30, 2013 at 3:09 PM

First black President, worked on the South Side of Chicago for years, lived in Chicago all his adult life, 500 murders a year of mostly black kids and young adults killing other blacks.

Obama is in a unique position to address this issue, directly, to black kids in Chicago, and make a difference, unlike so many other stupid things he’s used the bully pulpit for, he could do something here. And he’s doing nothing, and will do nothing. It’s pitiful! What good is he?

Paul-Cincy on January 30, 2013 at 3:12 PM

Someone want to tell the darling little MSNBC airhead that Chicago, as well as the entire north central USA, has been suffering a cold January?

MNHawk on January 30, 2013 at 3:13 PM

There were less homicides in Chicago, in 1928 than there were last year and Thompson Submachine Guns were legal then and the population was higher.

bflat879 on January 30, 2013 at 3:14 PM

There is a dramatic increase in gun violence when it is warmer

Just how warm does it get in Chicago in January anyway?

Last week, it was in the 80′s here. But apparently they had us beat in tropical Chicago.

If gun violence was really caused by warm weather, there would be non-stop gun violence in AZ from about April through the end of October.

Perhaps we shouldn’t put much credence in the “scientific” opinions of a pornographer who owes her career to nepotism.

AZCoyote on January 30, 2013 at 3:15 PM

Animals are more active when it’s warm.

Pork-Chop on January 30, 2013 at 3:16 PM

If you really need to look for reasons, ever listen to one of Reverend Wright’s sermons. There’s a lot of hate and vitriol there and not much brotherly love, that could explain some of it, although the majority of the murders are black on black murders.

bflat879 on January 30, 2013 at 3:17 PM

I don’t suppose it’s due to only the Criminals having weapons and the Citizens are Unarmed?

bluefox on January 30, 2013 at 3:18 PM

Q: What do you get when you cross an aging pornographer with a blonde bimbo?

A: Christie Hefner

UltimateBob on January 30, 2013 at 3:19 PM

If you really need to look for reasons, ever listen to one of Reverend Wright’s sermons. There’s a lot of hate and vitriol there and not much brotherly love, that could explain some of it, although the majority of the murders are black on black murders.

bflat879 on January 30, 2013 at 3:17 PM

I’ve never listened to any of his “sermons.”

But I know someone who has.

Twenty years’ worth. Every Sunday.

UltimateBob on January 30, 2013 at 3:20 PM

There were less homicides in Chicago, in 1928 than there were last year and Thompson Submachine Guns were legal then and the population was higher.

bflat879 on January 30, 2013 at 3:14 PM

That was before the progressives started the war on poverty and the Great Society, where they struck out to destroy the black family, absolve black males of the duties of fatherhood, and essentially ghettoized and re-enslaved them.

Progressives created the problem, and now they want to punish another group they hate besides blacks, and that is what they perceive to be white gun owners.

No quarter, the progressives can (and ultimately will)go to hell.

tom daschle concerned on January 30, 2013 at 3:20 PM

This is one of those instances when the truth cannot be spoken publicly. Chicago is about 1/3 black and nearly that Latino. Any city with similar demographics has violent gangs and a high violent crime rate.

I contend it is actually better to mention this, as awful as it might sound, because public recognition of this fact might well encourage these population to improve in this regard. Shame has always been a socially affecting force.

Chessplayer on January 30, 2013 at 3:21 PM

Here is the best Gun Control Analogy yet!!!

by Elizabeth Sheld Jan 11, 2013 9:39 AM PT0

Banning guns for law abiding citizens because criminals use them to kill people is like banning cars because some people use them to drive drunk and kill people.

In both cases, you are restricting the activity of law abiding citizens in an attempt to control those, who by definition, do not follow the law. The result is people who wouldn’t break the law in the first place are restricted and people who don’t follow the law will continue not to follow the law.

http://www.breitbart.com/InstaBlog/2013/01/11/A-Gun-Control-Analogy

bluefox on January 30, 2013 at 3:21 PM

This is way beyond “jumping the shark” .. this is “jumping the Krugman”

J_Crater on January 30, 2013 at 3:23 PM

Just fact checked this with Alex Jones.

Heffner was paid to say that, partly as a dare and partly to generate hits (revenue) for all the conservative blogs that are secretly owned by a conglomeration of companies headed by Academi and Haliburton.

CorporatePiggy on January 30, 2013 at 3:24 PM

how do they find these folks that STUPID and UGLY time and time again….

SDarchitect on January 30, 2013 at 3:29 PM

Illinois is the only state in the U.S. that does not allow people to carry concealed weapons. Help us keep Illinois safe from this threat.

http://www.stopconcealedcarry.org

Yeah, let’s keep Illinois safe.

Safe for murderers, that is.

Socratease on January 30, 2013 at 3:32 PM

Think of it as another Chicago Exchange but with trading caps instead of cap-and-trade.

/

Christien on January 30, 2013 at 3:34 PM

Her dad’s magazine used to cause global warming in my pants.

HumpBot Salvation on January 30, 2013 at 3:35 PM

Chicago outpacing Afghanistan for violent death.

tom daschle concerned on January 30, 2013 at 3:35 PM

Did AGW make those young women pose nekkid for her Daddy’s magazine, too?

What an idiot.

kingsjester on January 30, 2013 at 3:37 PM

Maybe it should be renamed the Windage City, in honor of climate change.

Christien on January 30, 2013 at 3:37 PM

If gun violence was really caused by warm weather, there would be non-stop gun violence in AZ from about April through the end of October.

AZCoyote on January 30, 2013 at 3:15 PM

Yeah but in AZ it’s a dry heat.

Lily on January 30, 2013 at 3:38 PM

WOW… When you think that liberals cannot get any dumber, they surprise you and do it…

mnjg on January 30, 2013 at 3:38 PM

Troll-free thread?

steebo77 on January 30, 2013 at 3:05 PM

Possibly.
If they do come forth, they will all be agreeing it was just plain stupid.
But then they will blow it and commend her efforts to control guns.
They’ll take stupid if it supports their cause.

Jabberwock on January 30, 2013 at 3:39 PM

This is one of those instances when the truth cannot be spoken publicly. Chicago is about 1/3 black and nearly that Latino. Any city with similar demographics has violent gangs and a high violent crime rate.

I contend it is actually better to mention this, as awful as it might sound, because public recognition of this fact might well encourage these population to improve in this regard. Shame has always been a socially affecting force.

Chessplayer on January 30, 2013 at 3:21 PM

The truth is the biggest enemy of liberalism, socialism, and communism… It is the absolute fact and truth that the most violent places in the country are totally controlled by liberals/socialists/communists and the super vast majority of crimes in these places are committed by democrat voters… The democrat party is the culture of violence…

mnjg on January 30, 2013 at 3:42 PM

Yeah but in AZ it’s a dry heat.

Lily on January 30, 2013 at 3:38 PM

That’s funny, but only because I used to know someone from Arizona.

Socratease on January 30, 2013 at 3:45 PM

A complete list of things caused by global warming, with links.

The Rogue Tomato on January 30, 2013 at 2:40 PM

Wow, and Bush did all that?!

Axeman on January 30, 2013 at 3:48 PM

“Miss Global Warming, 2013″

BobMbx on January 30, 2013 at 3:49 PM

Wonder if Hef ever nailed her?? Something got her wires crossed.

rik on January 30, 2013 at 3:50 PM

This is way beyond “jumping the shark” .. this is “jumping the Krugman”

J_Crater on January 30, 2013 at 3:23 PM

Wouldn’t that be jumping the snake?

Or jumping the weaselly, shifty eyed fool?

UltimateBob on January 30, 2013 at 3:52 PM

It’s all Al Gore’s fault!

He betrayed this country!! He sold us to Algae-Jazeera for thirty pieces of silver!!!

Those poor Chicago children …

RedPepper on January 30, 2013 at 3:56 PM

The science is settled…global warming leads to more murders, only in Chicago though.

tommer74 on January 30, 2013 at 4:04 PM

Wow. Just amazing. Every time you think some liberal idiot couldn’t possibly surprise you any further… they manage to tie in Chicago gangbangers to “climate change”. lol

Murf76 on January 30, 2013 at 4:22 PM

Yes, violent people tend to be more violent when they’re not inside just trying to stay warm. Since these people all reflexively vote D, better to blame the outside factors rather than reexamine the Godless, libertine, anti-traditional family policies that get them elected. It’s like saying you wouldn’t be so sick if you just stopped coughing and sneezing, and then linking bad health to wearing NRA attire and attending Tea Party rallies.

It’s the same argument with gun control. Their solution to gun violence is not addressing the underlying culture rot. It’s embracing the rot and restricting the means by which increasing numbers of amoral people can kill each other.

crrr6 on January 30, 2013 at 4:27 PM

CFAP should fire Ms. Hefner. What a loopy tac she took. Joe and MSNBC can be stupid and biased, but within bounds should stay intelectually honest in a discussion. And he did here.

jake49 on January 30, 2013 at 4:38 PM

” Yes. Last year, we hit a record number of murders from guns”

Even that is a lie. Chicago, though it had over 500 murders in 2012 isn’t close to the record. They had many years over 900 in the late 80′s and early 90′s.

The entire article is based on fantasy. They just spout that crap off as if it is true.

crosspatch on January 30, 2013 at 4:55 PM

Obama is in a unique position to address this issue, directly, to black kids in Chicago, and make a difference, unlike so many other stupid things he’s used the bully pulpit for, he could do something here.

Paul-Cincy on January 30, 2013 at 3:12 PM

And if he were a Martin Luther King, he would. But he’s nothing but a big, fat, fake, freakin’ phoney, who lies.

SailorMark on January 30, 2013 at 4:58 PM

Christie went from selling pictures of naked girls to spewing leftist propaganda. That’s definitely an example of reverse evolution.

Travis Bickle on January 30, 2013 at 5:15 PM

just move the whole city of chicago to antarctica. problem solved.

Sachiko on January 30, 2013 at 5:32 PM

It’s simple, Chicago…corruption at the top breeds crime at the bottom.

James on January 30, 2013 at 5:35 PM

Police say the homicide rate is a reflection of the city’s gang problem and a proliferation of guns. Chicago has for years tried to cut off the flow of guns. It has what city officials have called the strictest handgun ordinance in the U.S. But police officials say more needs to be done and that penalties for violating gun laws should be stiffer. …

Huh? Penalties need to be “stiffer”? Are they going to advocate the death penalty for illegal possession? Here’s a thought, maybe the higher echelons of the Chicago PD need to be cleaned out and new people brought in.

Or arm the citizens of Chicago. That would probably do a great deal to ‘curb the gang problem’.

But that would show citizens that they CAN do something on their own to address problems.

Let’s go back and look at those penalties.

GarandFan on January 30, 2013 at 5:42 PM

Houston should be exploding with Violence? Right?

antisocial on January 30, 2013 at 5:44 PM

The science is settled…global warming leads to more murders, only in Chicago though.

tommer74 on January 30, 2013 at 4:04 PM

Its Lake Michigan.

Scientifically, its known as “Lake Effect Murder”, and can be quite extreme at times.

BobMbx on January 30, 2013 at 5:52 PM

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