Mother Jones: My, this Presidential Jobs Council has been a bust, hasn’t it?
posted at 12:31 pm on January 30, 2013 by Mary Katharine Ham
Presenting, a microcosm of President Obama’s failed summit strategy for solving pretty much all problems—the Presidential Council on Jobs and Competitiveness. Step 1: An announcement with much fanfare, a speech against a symbolic backdrop, and dramatic promises of what this important gathering will produce. Step 2: Gather a group of people, some of whose dabbling in cronyism and rent-seeking violate every lofty value you’ve just claimed to be fulfilling. Step 3: Summit offers scattershot proposals. Step 4: ? Step 5: Progress.
Step 4, if one must attempt to flesh it out, is an utter lack of leadership or direction for translating summit findings, such that they are, into effective action that might help the economy. This is what that step looked like with the Presidential Council on Jobs and Competitiveness.
Dissent arose between the business leaders and labor leaders on the council and some of the more reasonable recommendations of business leaders on streamlining regulation and competitive tax rates to spur hiring looked too similar to the ideas of Mitt Romney for comfort. So, the Jobs Council didn’t meet for six months, even though its job was the central discussion of the presidential campaign and the No. 1 concern for American voters. And, now it hasn’t met for a year and will likely just expire Thursday. Ta-da!
The council hasn’t met in over a year (its last meeting was January 17, 2012) and has only met four times since it was created. Last summer, the White House said that the council had not convened in the past several months because the president had “a lot on his plate.” The panel has put out a total of three policy recommendation reports, but that hasn’t translated into much actual movement on jobs.
“I don’t think you could draw much of a line from the jobs council to a bunch of job creation, or even job creation policies that are on the current agenda—of which there aren’t enough,” says Jared Bernstein, the former chief economic adviser to Vice President Joseph Biden who’s now a senior fellow at the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities, a DC-based think tank.
For economist Dean Baker of the Center for Economic and Policy Research, the jobs council has proved such a political nonentity that when asked by Mother Jones for his thoughts on its expiration, he laughed. “I can’t say that I’ve given it a lot of thought,” he says. “Which I guess says a lot about it.”
The council has met in private, and defends its reports and actions:
“The Council was focused in 2012 on implementing the recommendations made in its three reports. Of the 60 recommendations for executive action, significant progress has been made on 54. Also Congress passed legislation on six recommendations made by the Council,” Sheffer said in an email. Council recommendations led to administration initiatives to fast-track infrastructure projects, accelerate the processing of business and tourist visas, and a program to “look back” through existing regulations for those that are outdated and burdensome, Sheffer added. He also pointed to a series of public-private initiatives council members launched to jump start job creation.
I don’t want to discount all of its efforts. I have no issue with streamlining government functions where possible, and appreciate the nod to “looking back” through existing regulations. But what little “looking back” has occurred cannot hope to keep pace with what the president has been piling on, according to regulations experts, so the effects are rather negligible.
Mother Jones has the same objections to the naming of Immelt as chair as I do, though my, the Left was awfully polite about such things before Obama was reelected:
Obama’s nomination of Immelt as chair cemented that pro-big-business tilt, critics said. As the Huffington Post wrote in January 2011, “Immelt’s firm…represents the archetypal company that’s hoarding cash, sending jobs overseas, [and] relying on taxpayer bailouts.”
“It’s almost an insult,” to have someone like Immelt head the panel, Baker says. “I mean, there are arguments for outsourcing, but to put someone in the job of doing that as head of the jobs council really is kind of of a joke.” (When reports came out that GE also used tax loopholes and creative accounting to avoid paying taxes in the United States, there were calls for Immelt to resign.)
In addition to dissent within the ranks and Immelt’s track record causing headaches, there was the dubious record of job creation by those on the council:
[T]he 13 publicly traded companies whose executives were appointed to the council, taken together, have declined in value by about 7% through year-end, worse than the decline of about 4% in the Standard & Poor’s 500 Index over the same period.
Eastman Kodak’s stock has lost more than 80% of its value since President Obama named its chairman and CEO, Antonio Perez, to the Council on Jobs and Competitiveness. Citigroup is down 44% since Mr. Obama named its chairman, Richard Parsons, to the Council on Jobs and Competitiveness. The UBS AG shares traded on the New York Stock Exchange are down 40% since Mr. Obama named Robert Wolf, the chairman of UBS Group Americas and the president of UBS Investment Bank, to the Council on Jobs and Competitiveness. All these figures are adjusted for any dividends or splits.
If these council members haven’t produced much by way of competitiveness, at least as measured by stock price, they haven’t produced much in the way of jobs, either. In April 2011, Kodak announced 48 layoffs in Durham, North Carolina. In August 2011, UBS announced 3,500 layoffs. In December 2011, Citigroup announced 4,500 layoffs. Call it the Competitiveness Council Curse.
Symbolically, not great for the jobs council, but better than them effectively using the positions to enrich their companies. Reason notes that members of the council’s precursor— the President’s Economic Recovery Advisory Board— fared better:
The four publicly traded companies represented on that Economic Advisory Recovery Board have outperformed the S&P 500 by more than 60 percentage points since the board was named. That board was active at a time when Mr. Obama’s party also controlled both houses of Congress, and when the administration was dispensing stimulus money.
This is how Obama advertised the jobs council when he announced its formation in GE town, Schenectady, NY in 2011:
Over the past two years, my Economic Recovery Advisory Board has provided this administration with support and expertise as we worked to bring our economy back from the brink and start recovering from an economic crisis that cost millions of American jobs. We still have a long way to go, and my number one priority is to ensure we are doing everything we can to get the American people back to work. As we enter a new phase in our recovery, I have asked the new Council to focus its work on finding new ways to encourage the private sector to hire and invest in American competitiveness.
Is there any evidence at all that the president did “everything he could” to facilitate solutions beyond merely announcing this council?
The New York Times picked out one phrase, reporting on the creation of the council:
The changes in the panel signal what the White House describes as “a new phase of our recovery,” a shift from crisis to job creation.
If the jobs council was indeed to be a symbol of our shift from crisis to recovery, from recession and stagnation to job creation, it is fitting that it should die the week we find out we’ve still made no such shift.
As economist Dean Baker puts it to Mother Jones:
Baker says it might be nice if Obama used the end of the jobs council’s term to reorient it towards actual job creation, but he’s not too optimistic. Ultimately, he says, it’s probably better to let the council fade into the ether. The whole exercise turned out to be mostly “a symbolic gesture,” he says—”and not even a very good symbolic gesture.”
And, we just got another four years of this, ahem, exercise.
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How many more times can they play this game of brinksmanship until even then it no longer matters what they do (or pretend to do)?
Every Ponzi scheme runs its course sooner or later.
Dr. ZhivBlago on December 29, 2012 at 1:30 AM
Obama is a giant symbol for soak the rich and free cell phones. Who care what he says with bully pulpit.
Mormontheman on December 29, 2012 at 1:44 AM
Dont let him get his soak the rich goal. We need to keep his legacy of whining about it.
Mormontheman on December 29, 2012 at 1:51 AM
It was the dems who threatened to filibuster the Bush tax cuts if they didn’t sunset in 10yrs. It was the dems who, time and again, refused to make those rates permanent. Now, if those rates expire, it’s the Republicans fault. Like someone smarter than me asked, “Is this real life?”
sdm
stvdog on December 29, 2012 at 5:41 AM
+1
I haven’t seen anyone willing to take so much personal/party advantage of such a critical situation in a long time. Maybe never. Especially considering the entire thing was a setup to damage the assumed-(R) incumbent. It’s almost like he’s wholly uninterested in the fiscal well being of the country (and maybe doesn’t even understand what’s happening) and is only concerned with future (D) political standing.
I’ll admit that I’d like to see his skill and the effectiveness of the us-against-them techniques without almost the entirety of the press supporting him, but overall I agree with you 100%. It doesn’t seem forced at all, and I can definitely see why he went into a line of work requiring persistent and high levels of pettiness, selfishness, and divisiveness. He seems to truly have a natural disposition towards all three.
Good call.
rogerb on December 29, 2012 at 6:25 AM
If Republicans had half a sack, they’d let Obama take the country over the cliff, then announce that that the US will meet every treasury bill obligation it has, but then slash spending to keep us under the debt limit. Cut funding EVERYWHERE. Foreign aid, every federal department, defund the IRS, cut Obama’s imperial budget by 2/3. Just take a look at every department’s budget from 2001, and cut its funding to that level for the year. Period. End all federal welfare programs. Furlough every federal worker 2 days a week. Close ranks, pass that budget and finally make some headway on eliminating debt.
Or keep the status quo, give in and continue to be the bottom to Obama’s top, and let the whole mess burn. I don’t give a rats arse. My money and work efforts have already left the US.
AttilaTheHun on December 29, 2012 at 6:29 AM
Speaking of high taxes… In case AP and crew do not see what I sent them
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-20864114
Looks like the great tax hike idea isn’t flying too well for the Dear Leader of France.
Gee, maybe its because of the great exodus of wealth and businesses due to stifling socialist tax schemes?
theflyonthewall on December 29, 2012 at 6:35 AM
Barry’s new plan looks his old plan
booger71 on December 29, 2012 at 7:04 AM
Everything the regime does is political.Nothing else matters to them. Even when it seemingly does not matter with no election in sight they never stop running for office.
Anyone who thinks that zero is behind any of the stratedgy is smoking the same stuff he does.
It all plouffe, axel, jarrett calling all the shots with little snipes from the mooch. Zero is just the messenger with the big radio voice jogging off Air Force One so all the freeloaders can get their jolleys.
Its all political with these bozos.
In addition, whatever story has the spotlight is not what’s going on in the background. Can you say Muslim Brotherhood all over the Mideast. Meanwhile we worry about how our deficit screaming towards 20 trillion that we know of, with no budget in 1,300 days.
These guys out play us politically every time and the country loses in the process.
rodguy911 on December 29, 2012 at 7:37 AM
Obama to make statement at 5:45
I smell a big box of “blame others” and a MSM that has been, and will continue to help Obama achieve the blame game.
I get a kick out of the media. They seem to follow the same patterns every time:
1) A crisis liberals have been waiting for.
2) Forward talking points and agenda to media outlets, so they understand how to report and what talking points to use. Media in turn, floods the networks and internet coverage with stories based upon those talking points and agenda.
3) After a few weeks of carrying water for the POTUS, media commission polls to see how effective their efforts have been.
4) Release the polls to the public to show that the public is on the side of the President (when in fact, the polls are really for the media to judge how effective they have been in conveying the agenda of the POTUS.)
5) POTUS then uses same polls in a speech to show America is on his side and that others should be thinking the same way.
Same strategy every time. Ray Charles could see it
…………………………………
Good post.
The media plays us and we take it over and over. We never think to target their soponsors, complain to them,stop watching their evil brodcasts.Instead, we just keep taking it.
Thank God for the New Media.
Its time we stopped worrying about what they say.They are coming after us no matter what we do.Why not just do the right thing.
Boner could tell zero call me when you really want to negotiate and then bring nothing to the floor.If anyone says anything to him just tell the truth. Zero refuses to negotiate. They will Pinocchio their way out but you can only lie so often before you have to prove everything you say.
That could get interesting since zero does not have a clue how to give and take or negotiate. He’s always been a I read the prompter kind of guy.He has never set policy only followed orders.
rodguy911 on December 29, 2012 at 7:49 AM
Resistance is futile. You will be assimilated into the tax conundrum. But this time around, it’ll look like its your fault. BHO: Elections have consequences. I won.
tommy71 on December 29, 2012 at 7:50 AM
If we go over the cliff the deficit goes down from 1.2 trillion to 300 billion. Let’s do it. Then go to work on the 300 billion. With our bloated government hacking out 300 billion would like shooting ducks in a barrel and everyone pays.
filetandrelease on December 29, 2012 at 9:30 AM
Zero and the gang are trying to run and take over the country like they did Chicago and by extension the state of IL. The Tea Party seems to be taking the excess of any verbal beating by the media and assorted talking heads. One minute they’re gone and the next the radicals are running the show. One thing for sure, before we go over the cliff, the unions will shut the country down with a longshoreman strike. Better get ready and buckle up.
Kissmygrits on December 29, 2012 at 9:33 AM
This is a study in Crisis Management. My Take.
kingsjester on December 29, 2012 at 9:37 AM
Then you know nothing about politics or politicians, my friend.
The President told the American people exactly what he would do if re-elected and he won. Better start getting used to it.
What “assumed-(R) incumbent”?
It’s the GOP that was determined to damage the President. Their entire purpose was to make him a one-term president, and that strategy FAILED spectacularly. Now, showing all the organizational skills of the Keystone Kops, they’ve painted themselves into a corner. Too bad, so sad.
It’s a dead certainty that you’ve been chugging sour grapes and rubbing your sore butt since the evening of Nov 6. Petulent name-calling and pathetic mewling are no substitute for accepting electoral defeat and moving on.
Oh, stop whining.
The Republican Party is in complete disarray and the President is playing his cards masterfully. You don’t have to like it, but at least act like you’ve got a pair.
chumpThreads on December 29, 2012 at 9:56 AM
Oh, stop whining.
The Republican Party is in complete disarray and the President is playing his cards masterfully. You don’t have to like it, but at least act like you’ve got a pair.
chumpThreads on December 29, 2012 at 9:56 AM
Hitler, Stalin, Mussolini, Mao, and Lenin all played their cards masterfully, too.
kingsjester on December 29, 2012 at 10:01 AM
Had you included Pol Pot in that list you’d have created a Godwin Singularity, causing your keyboard to turn into a custard cream pie and hit you in the face.
chumpThreads on December 29, 2012 at 10:11 AM
Let it happen. AP thinks Repubs will take the blame for the coming recession unless they help start it by passing some sort of Obama approved tax package and blow up the previously agreed to bipartisan spending cuts. I think voters will have plenty of time to live under the consequences of the Democrat plan before the next election and will put the blame squarely where it should go-on Obama, Pelosi and Reid- when that election happens. Let it burn.
MTF on December 29, 2012 at 10:19 AM
Theres a big protion of the population that think the bad economy is still GWB fault… you for one minute think that in a year and a half that people would wake up to this ? Its been 4 years sense GWB left office and he still getting the blame… so yeah… you are sooo wrong.
watertown on December 29, 2012 at 10:28 AM
You’re a pretty weak troll and you live in some alternate universe.
Obama is damaging our economy and country yet for political gain you play games. Pretty sad little one.
Also-Say when will the Senate pass a budget? You lefties sure have together. Heck the last time they got to vote on Obama’s budget it got no votes but you keep puffing Obama and the dems up like the good lap dog you are. Pathetic.
CW on December 29, 2012 at 10:40 AM
Is anyone else wondering why 0 was so happy to leave Hawaii and return to Washington? I mean he could have done this before he left, on the phone, via skype, so why did he rush home?
What was the name of the gal michelle banished to the outer limits before the 1st election of this poseur? Where is she? Press is awfully silent, just like they covered for Kennedy.
Makes you wonder.
Bambi on December 29, 2012 at 11:00 AM
Yeah – it’s real hard to play this one right for O with the GOP shooting itself in both feet and a media that will never ever blame Democrats for whatever happens. Obama gets to do whatever he wants and will never be asked to answer for it by the media. Only an idiot couldn’t succeed “masterfully” in this environment.
gwelf on December 29, 2012 at 11:32 AM
Obama wants HIS plan voted on if nothing can be worked out. How is his plan Bi Partisan? I am not in favor of it, but I would like to see if democrats would vote against it if it was only a tax only on “millionaires and billionaires”…just my curiosity.
They were lying all along with that rhetoric during the campaign, they really meant they wanted everyone who did not vote for them to get a tax hike.
Fleuries on December 29, 2012 at 12:05 PM
That portion of the electorate has declined every month over the last year, and a majority now believe the Democrats have more responsibility than the Bush-era Repubs. By the time the 2014 midterms roll around, that number will move even more decisively in favor of the GOP. Republicans have a huge opportunity here to make Democrats pay heavily for their policies. Take advantage, GOP.
MTF on December 29, 2012 at 12:57 PM
Boehner and the GOP have sold us out.
They’re putting the ball into the Senate because Reid can force whatever bill he wants and that gives cover for the weasley RINO’s to vote on it while saying it wasn’t THEIR bill.
And all the while Obama the cartoon gets to smile and say “lookitme… I r a LEADER!”
DIS-GUS-TING.
Skywise on December 29, 2012 at 1:07 PM
Krauthammer sees intelligence where it isn’t. Obama can pull this stuff off only because the slut media doesn’t blow him out of the water. After four years Krauthammer is still going on about Obama’s IQ? I guess he hasn’t been doing the Obama gaffe poll here at Hot Air.
arand on December 29, 2012 at 1:21 PM
It’a sad day when the French high court shows more appreciation for equal taxation than the USA.
cane_loader on December 29, 2012 at 1:46 PM
Nicely done. I especially liked the “petulant name calling” after the “Keystone Kops” and “got a pair” bit.
You’re referring to the (R)s being elected to control the House and the financial checks it entails on the President, right?
rogerb on December 29, 2012 at 3:35 PM
Pic of the Day: Sheeple to the Slaughter
Resist We Much on December 29, 2012 at 3:43 PM
So raising taxes on the “rich” does nothing to solve our debt problem-a mere drop in the bucket as far as revenue increases go.So just why would President Obama feel so strongly about raising them,knowing full well that it could further dampen job growth? Duh! Because he’s a socialist pig!
redware on December 29, 2012 at 3:45 PM
BTW:
I know there was never any doubt in your recent hindsight, but most posters here understood that Obama would lose when the economy was actually discussed:
Please try and keep up.
rogerb on December 29, 2012 at 4:10 PM
Nope, because he wants to create a civil war in the GOP… and guess what? He has already succeeded.
He also wants to turn the party base against their inept leaders for selling out on our principles never to raise taxes… and on that too, he appears to be succeeding.
TheRightMan on December 29, 2012 at 4:19 PM
The majority of the American public voted for a Big Government welfare state. Now, let them pay for it.
Resist We Much on December 29, 2012 at 4:21 PM
OT – President Bush out of ICU.
Good news!
gophergirl on December 29, 2012 at 4:40 PM
Just out of curiosity…why can’t congress simply vote to extend the status quo?
Keep the taxes where they are – for everybody. Delay the sequestration boondoggle.
Just keep everything exactly as it is.
Then, actually try to work out some sort of “bi-partisan” agreement on a combination of cuts and taxes that might actually help. Do it without the grandstanding and drama that is going on (I know. I know.) and try to end up with something that might, just maybe, be acceptable to most and even do some good.
The Republicans could offer that to obama, and if the democRAT senate and obama won’t go along with it, they’d be seen as the ones driving us over the cliff.
Solaratov on December 29, 2012 at 4:40 PM
this ^^^^
gophergirl on December 29, 2012 at 4:41 PM
It doesn’t qualify for a Godwin Award when it’s true, chimp.
Solaratov on December 29, 2012 at 4:46 PM
Project much, chimp? You nutless wonder.
Solaratov on December 29, 2012 at 4:48 PM
The solution to the fiscal cliff crisis is Ron Paul.
Emperor Norton on December 29, 2012 at 4:50 PM
Ron Paul’s comments from Zero Hedge (linked in previous comment):
Emperor Norton on December 29, 2012 at 4:57 PM
Yet despite all this “disarray” Obama will likely make the vast majority of the Bush tax cuts permanent, let the entitlement cuts go through and extend Bush’s warrantless wiretap program another 5 years, which was supposedly an impeachable violation of the Constitution.
I’m going to guess you didn’t know any of this, as it makes you liberals look like shameless hypocrites.
Chuck Schick on December 29, 2012 at 4:59 PM
Resist We Much on December 29, 2012 at 5:00 PM
Wrong, dumbass. Look it up.
chumpThreads on December 29, 2012 at 5:00 PM
Says the butt-sore crybaby who was last seen on election night scurrying away with his dick in his hand.
chumpThreads on December 29, 2012 at 5:02 PM
You are one angry 15 year old.
Chuck Schick on December 29, 2012 at 5:10 PM
The election demonstrated conclusively that rightists suck at making predictions, so you’ll forgive me if I take yours with a grain of salt.
chumpThreads on December 29, 2012 at 5:12 PM
Together We Thrive™ All those people shot in Tuscon for nothing.
*tear*
tom daschle concerned on December 29, 2012 at 5:13 PM
You have no idea how old I am, and you’ve never seen me angry.
chumpThreads on December 29, 2012 at 5:18 PM
What are our trolls getting exercised about? Obama won, Repubs are in disarray, and the Dems hold all the cards. Rather than kvetch, they should just sit there grinning like the cat that ate the canary. They got what they wanted, and they’re still not happy. Go figure.
Christien on December 29, 2012 at 5:25 PM
Why would you need salt? They’re simple facts:
1) Obama’s OWN DEAL still wants Bush tax cuts for everyone under 200/250k. That’s about 75% of the $400 billion/year cost. Obama later said he’d be good with $400k, the amount we keep hearing in latest talks. That means even MORE of the Bush tax cuts will be made permanent by Obama. Imagine if liberals heard that in 2008. They’d never believe it.
2) I have yet to see anyone try to stop the Medicare cuts in the fiscal cliff. Obama clearly is OK with cutting Medicare as he slashed over $700 billion of it to fund ObamaCare. Seniors will have a word with you guys again before the next election once doctors stop seeing them, bank on it.
3) Obama voted the Bush warrantless wiretap program INTO PERMANENT LAW as Senator. The best part is it has even more liberties trampled on than when it was an EO. So Obama actually has greater powers than Bush did. The Democrat Senate just passed it 75-23 and even killed all amendments to it to limit Obama’s power. He’ll sign it.
This is how Obama maintains his support. He does exactly what Bush did (or worse in the case of #3 and of course the massive deficits) and his low-information followers such as youself won’t say a single word. No surprise he won the highschool dropout vote by an even more commanding margin than he did in 2008.
Based on your low-wattage, insulting posts, this makes perfect sense.
Chuck Schick on December 29, 2012 at 5:33 PM
You’re clearly a teenager with an anger management issue and too much time on his hands.
Chuck Schick on December 29, 2012 at 5:34 PM
Or her hands.
Chuck Schick on December 29, 2012 at 5:36 PM
Bravo.
sentinelrules on December 29, 2012 at 5:44 PM
You seem to think about my dick an awful lot, chimp.
Was there something you’d like to tell us? Are you trying to come out of the closet?
Solaratov on December 29, 2012 at 5:49 PM
So, what do you do? Scrunch up your little face and call people names? Emit loud, incoherent noises? Threaten the meanies that ‘pick on’ you?
Sounds fearsome./
Solaratov on December 29, 2012 at 5:55 PM
“Mr. McGee, don’t make me angry. You wouldn’t like me when I’m angry.”
Chuck Schick on December 29, 2012 at 5:57 PM
CT sounds like the Loughner/Lanza type. Ready to snap and commit violence against people. It should cede its autonomy in the interest of public safety.
tom daschle concerned on December 29, 2012 at 6:01 PM
Schadenfreude on December 29, 2012 at 6:12 PM
You have no idea how old I am, and you’ve never seen me angry.
chumpThreads on December 29, 2012 at 5:18 PM
So, you’re a horse’s rear all the time?
Figures.
kingsjester on December 29, 2012 at 6:17 PM
BOHICA
This means TAX INCREASES NOW.
SPENDING CUTS LATER.
Which means the latter will never happen.
Congratulations Republicans for once again ceding any negotiating advantage, presaging a ratings downgrade and making our future more uncertain.
Oh and congratulations to the President for driving us over the cliff. Because it’s coming further down the road.
Marcus Traianus on December 29, 2012 at 6:19 PM
Obviously the GOP is cornered on this, and I don’t see how they can win no matter what they do. But it would be nice, just for once, to see them go down fighting based on principles.
What, are all the Libs going to be mad at them all of a sudden? Give me a break.
The Left is waging a very successful war against the American people. Regardless of what the GOP does or doesn’t do, they and the “filthy rich” will get the blame.
You cannot talk rationally to the Obama lovers…I know, I’ve tried and have given up. I just nod my head and agree for the most part…but secretly I’m thinking, “Let it Burn”.
Dr. ZhivBlago on December 29, 2012 at 6:50 PM
Was this column linked anywhere at HotGas? “The Real Housewives of the Beltway”
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887323984704578207662219476732.html?mod=WSJ_Opinion_LEADTop
onlineanalyst on December 29, 2012 at 6:57 PM
It’s theirs. They wanted it. They voted for it. Let’em own it.
Solaratov on December 29, 2012 at 7:33 PM
That’s uncalled for. Most adults obviously choose phrases like “butt-sore” as their go-to adjectives.
rogerb on December 29, 2012 at 8:16 PM
Poor, poor chump, so sure fluffing for 0 is going to benefit him in some way. He is either stupid, a stupid communist or young and likes the feel of 0 in him.
Bmore on December 29, 2012 at 10:53 PM
I don’t think you understand the plan. The plan is to keep spending the same or increase spending. The rich will pay for everything or we will print more money. That’s the plan. I know, it’s stupid and it won’t work. But that’s what the plan is.
Burke on December 29, 2012 at 11:31 PM
What disturbs me the most about this day after the election fiscal cliff nonsense is that these idiot politicians are going to use this last minute deal crap to build themselves up a heros.
It is obvious that this is how the MSM will package and sell it.
Scarier still is the ever emergent pattern that the dumb masses who voted for these zeros will buy into it.
Where’s our Depardieu?
kregg on December 30, 2012 at 7:29 AM
Just going to skip right over that like it never happened, eh?
Next step: Abandon thread.
(Possibly accomplished already.)
rogerb on December 30, 2012 at 8:07 AM
Th libs simply do not believe the fiscal cliff represents any kind of real danger. The trillions of dollars in debt does not bother them at all. In fact, they think we need much more debt to get us out of debt. In fact, they have proof of their position.
Nothing really bad has happened yet!
Look at California they say. Disaster over illegal immigration and out of control regulation and spending has been predicted for years by conservatives, yet nothing has happened…
claudius on December 30, 2012 at 3:37 PM
Meanwhile the demon-crat’s talking points have slithered over to gun control.
Fiscal Clip anyone?
kregg on December 30, 2012 at 4:09 PM
So a dead thread, chumpthreads? Nicely done. Well defended.
Sorry, abandoned. My fault.
BTW, you realize what you admitted/confirmed there, right?
Well done. And entirely your own words agreeing with my damning statement questioning the morals and purposes of this, your proxy and chosen president, too.
Thanks.
rogerb on December 30, 2012 at 6:45 PM
What good is your party for?
Years and years I’ve been pointing out every time they betray you. Years and years you allow the idiots on this board to tell you there’s no other way but the GOP way.
Where’s that gotten you? The Tea Party gave you the house, what happened? Some were coopted, others that weren’t were cast aside by Boehner and replaced with Democrat votes. So instead of your support moving the party to the right, the GOP betrayed you and moved it to the left, giving Obama EVERYTHING he wanted.
Such fools. Such followers of those that are destroying you. Where is your heart? Your soul? Your mind?
How many more times are you going to be sold the line that there is only one way the middle way? The moderate way.
How many more times are you going to follow it?
The GOP will betray you.
They will allow Obama to bypass Congress to pass draconian gun laws, and they will do nothing but continue to pass budgets so he can fund them.
And if they ever do cut off the money, then Obama will just ask the Fed to print more. Pushing further the Marxist agenda to collapse the dollar, and then the world.
And a new order will arise.
All the while you’ll be supporting your party of corruption. Of lukewarmness. Of enablers.
The GOP will betray you.
And you will continue to do as they tell you to do.
True_King on December 30, 2012 at 6:54 PM
rogerb on December 31, 2012 at 6:32 AM
It might be wise for all of these wormy politicians to reflect on the past and wonder how Marie Antoinette must have felt when she first learned of the storming of the Bastille prison. it’s not good to piss of the people.
rplat on December 31, 2012 at 8:56 AM
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