Leahy, Reid distancing themselves from assault-weapons ban

posted at 1:11 pm on January 30, 2013 by Ed Morrissey

Yesterday, the Washington Post noted how badly Dianne Feinstein’s assault-weapons ban was faring on Capitol Hill.  Today, it’s NBC’s turn.  Chuck Todd reported earlier this morning that even Patrick Leahy won’t support the bill (via the Weekly Standard):

The Hill reiterates that Reid won’t give it any public support, either.  He will only pledge to support legislation that “generally” addresses gun violence:

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) on Tuesday declined to voice support for Democratic legislation that would ban assault weapons and high-capacity ammunition clips.

Reid said he would bring gun-violence legislation to the floor and open it to a lengthy amendment process. But he declined to endorse the assault weapons ban introduced last week by Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.), which has the support of the 2nd- and 3rd-ranking Senate Democratic leaders. …

He said he has told his colleagues he will do everything in his power to “bring legislation dealing with guns and violence, generally, to the floor.”

No one thought Reid would be excited to support a new assault-weapons ban.  He didn’t support the last one, and he’s been non-committal over the last several weeks even while his fellow Democrats have publicly demanded a new ban.  Leahy’s reluctance should probably not be surprising, either; Vermont has a lot of gun owners, and voters there support nearly unrestricted gun rights.

However, Leahy chairs the Judiciary Committee, which is where Feinstein’s bill will have to find approval to reach a floor vote — or more likely, a filibuster.  That committee also includes Amy Klobuchar and Al Franken from Minnesota.  Klobuchar easily won re-election and might vote to pass a ban out of committee, but Franken has to face Minnesota voters next year — voters who are also gun-rights supporters.  Franken has said little about Feinstein’s proposal except that he supports a renewal of the assault-weapons ban “in principle.”  If Leahy is not on board, Franken might protect himself with a no vote (or perhaps an abstention).  Assuming the Republicans on the committee oppose it, Feinstein’s bill may never get out of committee at all.

And that may be just as well.  The ATF would have to enforce that ban, and as the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel reports, they seem to have enough trouble handling the laws they enforce now:

A store calling itself Fearless Distributing opened early last year on an out-of-the-way street in Milwaukee’s Riverwest neighborhood, offering designer clothes, athletic shoes, jewelry and drug paraphernalia.

Those working behind the counter, however, weren’t interested in selling anything.

They were undercover agents from the U.S. Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives running a storefront sting aimed at busting criminal operations in the city by purchasing drugs and guns from felons.

But the effort to date has not snared any major dealers or taken down a gang. Instead, it resulted in a string of mistakes and failures, including an ATF military-style machine gun landing on the streets of Milwaukee and the agency having $35,000 in merchandise stolen from its store, a Journal Sentinel investigation has found.

When the 10-month operation was shut down after the burglary, agents and Milwaukee police officers who participated in the sting cleared out the store but left behind a sensitive document that listed names, vehicles and phone numbers of undercover agents.

And the agency remains locked in a battle with the building’s owner, who says he is owed about $15,000 because of utility bills, holes in the walls, broken doors and damage from an overflowing toilet.

Maybe we should insist on ATF control rather than gun control.

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Ha. Missing their window.

Ed Morrissey, in your topic yesterday where you espoused a blithe acceptance of universal background checks (registration by any other name), you never touched on what exactly the Left is giving up in such a “compromise” solution. While people like you GIVE AWAY OUR RIGHTS. As far as I can see, they only ‘give up’ the immediate accomplishment of their disarmament goal. And Feinstein did admit in ’95 that she’d have taken EVERYTHING if she could have got 51 Senate votes in ’94.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7uMMG17HhF0
Do you not see what your bland idiocy leads to??

NO COMPROMISE ON OUR RIGHT TO BEAR ARMS. NO FURTHER. NO FUHRER.

rayra on January 30, 2013 at 1:14 PM

This is the same government that will be making life and death decisions regarding our health care.

We’re choomed.

kingsjester on January 30, 2013 at 1:14 PM

Giving the BATF more power? How about ELIMINATING the BATF! These guys are universally rent-a-cop-like idiots that ended up in the BATF because they couldn’t make it in real police agencies. This agency has been useless for decades.

Warner Todd Huston on January 30, 2013 at 1:17 PM

ATF ‘Control’ Yes. Dismantle that bunch of law-breaking nazi bums. Bar any member of the ATF from ever working in law enforcement or the Federal govt ever again.

Ex-ATF official’s gun ends up at Mexican cartel shootout that killed beauty queen
Phoenix Agent high up in Fast and Furious bought at least two handguns and lied on his 4473 forms (felonies btw). Resold them off the books, to his cartel pals.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/12/19/ex-atf-official-gun-ends-up-at-mexican-cartel-shootout-that-killed-beauty-queen/

rayra on January 30, 2013 at 1:17 PM

Hey, I know! Lets have a Gun Control Council. It could meet oh, whenever, and study gun control, and make some recommendations, and that will fix gun control forever. For the children.

It will be awesome!

Lily on January 30, 2013 at 1:19 PM

And I am soooooooooooooooooooooooooo sure that “social clubs” like the Crips, the Bloods, the Latin Kings, the Insane Idiots, and every drug-dealing Gangbanger Central from LA to New York will be among the first to graciously offer up their arsenals when asked to do so, because they wouldn’t dare to try and upset the authorities.

And if you believe that, you believe that it is perfectly safe to walk the streets of any low income Chicago neighborhood in the dead of night.

pilamaye on January 30, 2013 at 1:21 PM

Sen. Feinstein hardest hit.

BigGator5 on January 30, 2013 at 1:21 PM

Take that DiFi.

FireBlogger on January 30, 2013 at 1:23 PM

At least I now know where the Keystone Kops went after leaving the Hal Roach Studios. apparently they are all now employed at the Bureau of Absolute Total Fools. Seriously, is there anyone at the BATF who has even evolved a thumb? Never mind the fact that they couldn’t catch cold in a blizzard, these guys are a clear and present danger to everyone including themselves. Sheesh.

ghostwalker1 on January 30, 2013 at 1:25 PM

Bwahahaha, didn’t I tell you that this bill was going nowhere? Its dead, plain and simple. And rayra, cool your cheapshots on Ed.

tommy71 on January 30, 2013 at 1:26 PM

It’s a trap!

Mr. Arrogant on January 30, 2013 at 1:26 PM

Exit question: if a Senator or Representative living in a district of voters who support the Second Amendment, opines he/she is for an AWB either in principle or essence- why would voters elect them?

Wouldn’t logic dictate that someone with those sympathies doesn’t simply lose them because it is election time? Furthermore can a reasonable person conclude they will reappear once the election is over?

The mere mention of support for these anti-Second Amendment efforts is what we generally call a clue.

Marcus Traianus on January 30, 2013 at 1:27 PM

I wonder if this bright idea was funded under O’s stimulus debacle?

CoffeeLover on January 30, 2013 at 1:27 PM

Shall not infringe.

Sorry Gabby Giffords for what happened but your IDEAS don’t get a pass just because you’re a victim.

BAD GUYS don’t give up THEIR guns and weapons.

PappyD61 on January 30, 2013 at 1:27 PM

This could never happen right?

Executive order banning guns or making it so difficult for gun owners that they can’t lawfully defend themselves.

Then a few horrible crimes get spotlighted and there are calls for MORE POLICE, MORE FEDERAL FUNDING, etc.

Then Obama uses it to “solve” the problem and promote “public safety” by starting a one million person CIVILIAN DEFENSE FORCE to be armed and enforce order.

Problem created by the Federal government…….problem SOLVED by the Federal government.

But that could never happen.

PappyD61 on January 30, 2013 at 1:30 PM

Then a few horrible crimes get spotlighted and there are calls for MORE POLICE, MORE FEDERAL FUNDING, etc.

PappyD61 on January 30, 2013 at 1:30 PM

Ruby Ridge….Waco….

Mr. Arrogant on January 30, 2013 at 1:33 PM

No one in D.C. would propose a larger than the military civilian security force………right?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_fO-usAlqak

oh, I see.

PappyD61 on January 30, 2013 at 1:33 PM

We dont have to worry…the Media and Obama will spin this that the Republicans are the obstacle to “common sense” legislation

cmarceron on January 30, 2013 at 1:36 PM

did we have a pause on TV or did Leahy leave off “God”When he gave the othe to the witness today?? Anybody else catch that??

Bullhead on January 30, 2013 at 1:38 PM

Alcohol, Tobacco, & Firearms should be a convenience store, not a federal agency.

M240H on January 30, 2013 at 1:39 PM

Pappy, no, never happen. EOs banning guns? No. Thats ok, you may disbelieve me, but you’ll see that I’m right over a span of time.

tommy71 on January 30, 2013 at 1:39 PM

UNITED STATES v. MILLER, 307 U.S. 174 (1939)
In the absence of any evidence tending to show that possession or use of a ‘shotgun having a barrel of less than eighteen inches in length’ at this time has some reasonable relationship to the preservation or efficiency of a well regulated militia, we cannot say that the Second Amendment guarantees the right to keep and bear such an instrument.

SCOTUS affirms that 2nd Amendment covers weapons that would be used for the preservation or efficiency of a well regulated militia (and there is nothing whatsoever about hunting).

Is Congress to pass legislation that weapons of the AR15 variety would not be used by a well regulated militia ?

J_Crater on January 30, 2013 at 1:41 PM

So, if the NRA had made public their deal with Harry “The Searchlight Strangler” Reid in Obamacare, then people would have gone against Reid, because he was in bed with the gun nuts?

Remind me again why the NRA selling their soul to Reid is just part of their one issue campaign and is a good thing.

LoganSix on January 30, 2013 at 1:42 PM

agents and Milwaukee police officers who participated in the sting cleared out the store but left behind a sensitive document that listed names, vehicles and phone numbers of undercover agents.

But don’t worry, the police will be at your house to protect you in the event you are invaded and attacked.

Rest easy, citizen, the Government is here for you.

Bishop on January 30, 2013 at 1:44 PM

All this means is that they’re holding off support until they can get enough of their personal pork into the bill.

Hucklebuck on January 30, 2013 at 1:44 PM

Prediction: There is a domestic Fast & Furious like program behind the shootings in Chicago. Bet it comes out of Milwaukee too.

DanMan on January 30, 2013 at 1:45 PM

Why does Patrick Leahy hate children?
/Gabby Giffords

Khun Joe on January 30, 2013 at 1:47 PM

Doesn’t shock me at all that Leahy won’t support the Assault Weapons Ban. Whatever else Vermont’s demerits, it has the single highest rate of per capita gun ownership of any state in the union, and its citizens would be VERY VERY pissed about this.

Leahy actually doesn’t have a terrible rating from NRA for a blue-state Northeastern Democrat (he gets a C, which obviously would be bad for a Republican but given the context is surprising).

Esoteric on January 30, 2013 at 1:49 PM

@LoganSix The NRA is a single issue organization. They’re not a subsidiary wing of the Republican party.

tommy71 on January 30, 2013 at 1:49 PM

So, is Rush and co. extolling the Rubio awesomeness today?

Mr. Arrogant on January 30, 2013 at 1:51 PM

Next up: Executive Orders directing doctors to report gun ownership as a possible mental health issue, and your medical records shared with the BATF.

Fenris on January 30, 2013 at 1:54 PM

@LoganSix The NRA is a single issue organization. They’re not a subsidiary wing of the Republican party.

tommy71 on January 30, 2013 at 1:49 PM

So, selling their souls to put a gun issue into a health bill is okey dokey? When they could have easily defeated the health bill by stepping into the ring and claiming it was an attempt to register citizens with arms and then showing Reid trying to cover it up.

LoganSix on January 30, 2013 at 1:54 PM

And the agency remains locked in a battle with the building’s owner, who says he is owed about $15,000 because of utility bills, holes in the walls, broken doors and damage from an overflowing toilet.

..well, that just about sums it up, gents. A metaphor for this whole inept administration.

The War Planner on January 30, 2013 at 2:00 PM

These stings and operations are nothing more than an excuse to exist. They have to create a problem – to solve a problem.

It’s a felony to lie on a form 4473. I know a number of dealers who have watched people get rejected/denied on their 4473 background check, but not once has the BATFE come to them with the intent of following up and prosecuting these people. I guess they’re too busy trying to run guns to gang bangers and cartel members.

Hill60 on January 30, 2013 at 2:00 PM

Alcohol, Tobacco, & Firearms should be a convenience store, not a federal agency.

M240H on January 30, 2013 at 1:39 PM

Read the second part of the article. it sounds like they tried that..and in typical gov’t fashion even screwed that up.

HumpBot Salvation on January 30, 2013 at 2:03 PM

LoganSix on January 30, 2013 at 1:54 PM

You need to recalibrate who is selling and who is buying. Harry Reid is the one who wanted their endorsement. They addressed their concerns and most are glad they did. Do you want to be questioned by your doctor (that is required to make your records available to the feds) about gun ownership?

The NRA is about the 2nd amendment and they saw it being infringed. Obama was about capturing as much control over our lives through healthcare. Putting in gun control aspects has always been his intention no matter how.

Add LoganSix to the list gang.

DanMan on January 30, 2013 at 2:04 PM

So, selling their souls to put a gun issue into a health bill is okey dokey? When they could have easily defeated the health bill by stepping into the ring and claiming it was an attempt to register citizens with arms and then showing Reid trying to cover it up.

You’re asking a 2nd Amendment rights organization to fight, under false pretenses, the battles of the Republican Party. Of course they’re going to say no to your harebrained scheme, as well they should. Why do you think the Assault Weapons Ban is about to go down in flames? Because the NRA actually can call in chits from people like Harry Reid and Pat Leahy. If they became a subsidiary of the GOP, their friends on the Democratic side of the aisle would justifiably tell them to go f**k themselves.

The NRA cares about one thing and one thing only (as it should): protecting the 2nd Amendment rights of gun-owners. The minute it starts getting involved with other issues, it loses its influence, power in DC, and prestige.

Esoteric on January 30, 2013 at 2:04 PM

Vermont has surprisingly lax gun laws so this isn’t shocking.

Illinidiva on January 30, 2013 at 2:04 PM

Michelle Malkin‏@michellemalkin

Marco Rubio is repeating McCain’s open-borders sins. Making cynical #shamnesty political calculations that will backfire among independents

kingsjester on January 30, 2013 at 2:09 PM

Mark Kelly’s performance this morning reminded me of ventriloquist for some reason.

agmartin on January 30, 2013 at 2:13 PM

Another mass shooting this morning. This time at a mortgage company in Glendale (Phoenix) AZ. At least three people injured.

There sure are a lot of these, now that 0bama wants to take everyone’s guns.

Pure coincidence, Delia? Adjust your tin foil hats. Isn’t the timing so convenient?

Maybe it is just desperation as people see their lives going down the drain with the 0bamaconomy.

Maybe we will learn that the mortgage company had foreclosed on some unstable guy’s home, because he lost his private sector job, and couldn’t get a Government job.

Or maybe a scorned lover.

Or who knows.

Excuse please… I’m just rambling.

LegendHasIt on January 30, 2013 at 2:13 PM

Esoteric on January 30, 2013 at 2:04 PM

Hear hear. I’m as ardent an opponent of Obamacare as one can get, and even I would have done a double take if my NRA (of which I’m a Golden Eagle) got involved in fighting against it.

JohnTant on January 30, 2013 at 2:17 PM

LegendHasIt on January 30, 2013 at 2:13 PM

I don’t necessarily think there are a lot more, just that the MSM is reporting them a lot more so as to advance a preferred narrative.

JohnTant on January 30, 2013 at 2:18 PM

Another mass shooting this morning. This time at a mortgage company in Glendale (Phoenix) AZ. At least three people injured.

LegendHasIt on January 30, 2013 at 2:13 PM

Did I miss the executive order that declared three or more is considered mass?

Nutstuyu on January 30, 2013 at 2:22 PM

@LoganSix What don’t you understand? They sold their souls? Thats pretty dramatic. Hear this now: THE NRA IS NOT A SUBSIDIARY OF THE REPUBLICAN PARTY. Period. No soul selling there. They protected their only issue. Thats good.

tommy71 on January 30, 2013 at 2:26 PM

Nutstuyu on January 30, 2013 at 2:22 PM

OK, what number would you allow to be considered a mass?

LegendHasIt on January 30, 2013 at 2:32 PM

This administration loves to gun run!

Zcat on January 30, 2013 at 2:35 PM

And since there is no thread on the Senate Gun hearings (???), let’s give it up for both Gayle Trotter:

http://twitchy.com/2013/01/30/lady-smarts-iwfs-gayle-trotter-at-senate-hearing-guns-are-the-great-equalizer-make-women-safer/

And Senator Ted Cruz (Once again!):

http://twitchy.com/2013/01/30/senator-cruz-nails-it-at-gun-grabbing-hearing-senate-operates-in-fact-free-zone/

can_con on January 30, 2013 at 2:37 PM

AR-15s-to-Homicide Rate in the US:

1994 (AWB signed into law):

# of AR-15s: ~1.5 million

Homicide Rate: 9.0

2009 (no AWB):

# of AR-15s: 3.26 million

Homicide Rate: 5.0

But, but, but AR-15′s are skeery looking!!!

Resist We Much on January 30, 2013 at 2:48 PM

The NRA is about the 2nd amendment and they saw it being infringed. Obama was about capturing as much control over our lives through healthcare. Putting in gun control aspects has always been his intention no matter how.

DanMan on January 30, 2013 at 2:04 PM

Then fight to kill the entire bill, not get their piece of the pie. Seriously, the NRA can’t do more than make deals with the devil for their one issue? They couldn’t have been more vocal in order to shine the light on the deal making Reid was doing?

Oh, no worries, the gypsies are safe, they’re only coming for the Jews.

LoganSix on January 30, 2013 at 2:52 PM

Resist We Much on January 30, 2013 at 2:48 PM

BTW, those refer to the OVERALL HOMICIDE RATES from ANY AND ALL sources in 1994 and 2009. They are NOT specific to the AK-15.

I am just showing that the number of AR-15s has gone from ~1.5 million to 3.26 million since 1994 while the OVERALL HOMICIDE RATE has fallen from 9.0 in 1994 to 5.0 in 2009.

Resist We Much on January 30, 2013 at 3:02 PM

rayra on January 30, 2013 at 1:14 PM

The left has raised gun control to a heightened fervor and legal gun owners have responded as expected. Don’t get into the wrong argument; the federal gun registry is the next step for Barack Obama and the anti-second amendment effort.

Barack Obama wants a public fight on gun control at such a heightened level that second amendment defenders and Republicans will likely compromise on a federal registry to avoid what would never happen in federal court. The second amendment always is and will be upheld.

The U.S. Constitution should always be our guide.

Read the rest of this great article at
http://www.breitbart.com/InstaBlog/Politics

bluefox on January 30, 2013 at 3:10 PM

Resist We Much on January 30, 2013 at 2:48 PM

Well, you aren’t going to confuse or dissuade liberals with facts. And that’s a fact. They will reject your reality and substitute their own.

ghostwalker1 on January 30, 2013 at 3:16 PM

did we have a pause on TV or did Leahy leave off “God”When he gave the othe to the witness today?? Anybody else catch that??

Bullhead on January 30, 2013 at 1:38 PM

i suspect it had to do with his well known lightening bolt phobia.

Don L on January 30, 2013 at 3:21 PM

Anti-Gun Advocates Heckle Woman Wanting to Defend Her Children During Gun Violence Hearing?

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/female-gun-advocate-lays-into-democratic-senator-over-womens-second-amendment-rights/

Gayle Trotter:

“I respectfully disagree. I understand your also a graduate from the University of Virginia School of Law and you were close to Monticello where Thomas Jefferson penned our Declaration of Independence and close to Montpelier where James Madison was instrumental in drafting the Bill of Rights. I think you can understand that, as a woman, it is very important not to place undue burdens on our Second Amendment right to choose to defend ourself.”

Senator Sheldon Whitehouse defended himself, saying that he simply brought up the McKinley story as an example of “one that would not bear an argument against the proposal” to ban certain weapons, “because that Remington Express is a weapon that would be perfectly allowed.”

An incredulous Trotter responded by asking:

“Would it have been unreasonable for her to use a different gun to protect her child?

Whitehouse:

“I think if she was using a ’100 weapon.’ Let me put it another way. She would clearly have an adequate ability to protect her family without the need for a 100-round piece of weaponry.”

Trotter:

“How can you say that? You’re a large man. You are a tall man. You are not a young mother who has a young child with her. And I am passionate about this position because you cannot understand, you are not a woman stuck in her house, having to defend her children, not able to leave her child, not able to seek safety, on the phone with 9-1-1, and she cannot get the police there fast enough to protect her child, and she is not used to being in a fire fight.

“An assault weapon in the hands of a young woman defending her babies at her home becomes a defense weapon,” Trotter said as jeers erupted. “Guns are the great equalizer during a violent confrontation.”

The male, Progressive Senator Sheldon Whitehouse ends by, figuratively, attempting to pat Ms Trotter on the head and implying that he knows what’s best for her because, after all, she’d be able to use another type of gun – even if she was not as efficient at it.

Senator Whitehouse, please don’t attempt to lecture us about the types of guns that we should use to defend our bodies and minds and those of our families.

Resist We Much on January 30, 2013 at 3:24 PM

Seriously, the NRA can’t do more than make deals with the devil for their one issue?

LoganSix on January 30, 2013 at 2:52 PM

It is the National RIFLE Association, not the National Republican Association, National No-Obamacare Association, National Federalist Association, National Anti-Federalist Association, etc.

Resist We Much on January 30, 2013 at 3:30 PM

Vermont has surprisingly lax gun laws so this isn’t shocking.

Illinidiva on January 30, 2013 at 2:04 PM

“lax”?? Way to use the f’n framing of the Left. They are Freedom- and Liberty-centric, not “lax”.

rayra on January 30, 2013 at 3:44 PM

Ha. Missing their window.

Ed Morrissey, in your topic yesterday where you espoused a blithe acceptance of universal background checks (registration by any other name), you never touched on what exactly the Left is giving up in such a “compromise” solution. While people like you GIVE AWAY OUR RIGHTS. As far as I can see, they only ‘give up’ the immediate accomplishment of their disarmament goal. And Feinstein did admit in ’95 that she’d have taken EVERYTHING if she could have got 51 Senate votes in ’94.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7uMMG17HhF0
Do you not see what your bland idiocy leads to??

NO COMPROMISE ON OUR RIGHT TO BEAR ARMS. NO FURTHER. NO FUHRER.

rayra on January 30, 2013 at 1:14 PM

They’re just like Former Governor Ed Rendell, waiting for the Good Thing of a shooting being So Horrific!

Former Governor Ed Rendell: “Good Thing About Newtown is That it Was So Horrific!”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fwqlLMqrJXk&feature=player_detailpage

I agree with you other point – we’ve being pushed some far along with all the law on our right of self-defense, it’s time to say NO MORE!

Galt2009 on January 30, 2013 at 3:46 PM

LegendHasIt on January 30, 2013 at 2:13 PM
I don’t necessarily think there are a lot more, just that the MSM is reporting them a lot more so as to advance a preferred narrative.

JohnTant on January 30, 2013 at 2:18 PM

Yep. And three at a mortgage office ISN’T a ‘mass shooting’. Sounds more like personal vengeance.

“mass shooting” means something and the left throws it around often enough without our mindlessly applying it (too).

rayra on January 30, 2013 at 3:48 PM

Maybe we should insist on ATF control rather than gun control.

Ed, that statement reminded me of Larry, Curly and Moe:-)

bluefox on January 30, 2013 at 3:49 PM

OK, what number would you allow to be considered a mass?

LegendHasIt on January 30, 2013 at 2:32 PM

It isn’t predominantly about numbers, you idiot. It’s about method, purpose, location AND the shooter.
When a dysfunctional your drug-addled adult goes and shoots up a school, his imagined tormentors, or a mall / school / theatre full of disarmed strangers, THAT’s a ‘mass shooting’.

rayra on January 30, 2013 at 3:50 PM

Funny how it all comes down to “assault weapons” AR-15. AK’s etc. When the big 4: Va Tech, Columbine,Giffords and Sandy hook were all done with handguns, shotguns and rifles. Seems like a good way to disarm the public so they will be unable to go up against the Obama militia.
Just sayin!

faol on January 30, 2013 at 4:02 PM

To All The COMPROMISERS in GD. This is a wake up call to you insipid, sub-par Americans.

There can be NO COMPROMISE with our servants. Our servants do not just wish to reasonably restrict one amendment. They mean to restrict them all.

Guns are the litmus test to see how far they can get, with the most concrete of the amendments that protects tangible objects.

We have seen servants in every level of government and every branch up to the WH and Supreme Court call our Constitution out-dated and archaic.

They wish to be unshackled in their quest for unlimited power and COMPROMISE from citizens opens the gateway to allow it.

So if you want to compromise on a certain number of cartridges in a magazine or a certain type of gun… Apply those same type of compromises to all amendments and see what you think of your freedom then.

http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/1432959_To_All_The_COMPROMISERS_in_GD___This_is_a_wake_up_call_to_you_insipid__sub_par_Americans_.html

rayra on January 30, 2013 at 5:00 PM

rayra on January 30, 2013 at 3:50 PM

My God you are quick with the insults.
A person, (one who is ‘on your side’), posts a news report and uses a word which you think is semantically incorrect, then asks an honest question, seeking to learn in what manner that word can be acceptably applied by the semantics police…..
And then you call that person an idiot.

……………
Oh, I think I get it now. If a person goes to a Catholic religious service and shoots everyone there with an ‘assault weapon’ and 30 round ‘clip’, then that can be considered ‘Mass shooting’.

LegendHasIt on January 30, 2013 at 8:21 PM

Vermont has surprisingly lax realistic gun laws so this isn’t shocking.

Illinidiva on January 30, 2013 at 2:04 PM

FIFY

Solaratov on January 30, 2013 at 8:43 PM