Rubio: The only way to incentivize border enforcement is to hold up the green-card process

posted at 11:01 am on January 29, 2013 by Ed Morrissey

While confusion continues to reign over the border-enforcement mechanisms in the Gang of Eight immigration-reform proposal, its most critical proponent continued to insist yesterday that a lack of a robust trigger on border security was a deal killer.  Marco Rubio took his case to Sean Hannity, who asked (as I did yesterday) whether Rubio would oppose his own compromise plan if the commission-certification trigger was watered down or removed.  Rubio committed again to opposition by saying that it would “absolutely” be a deal-killer:

Rubio: “That’s why the details are so important of how you write it. You’re absolutely right. This is a town where they write things that are called something, but that’s not what it is. So it has to be important. Look, you said something in your outline that is very important. I don’t want to ever have to do this again. But that’s what is going to happen if all we do is the legalization part and we don’t do the enforcement part. And the only way that I know to incentivize the enforcement part is to say that the green card stuff doesn’t even begin to happen until the enforcement happens first. That trigger is critically important, otherwise it will never happen. That’s why we are where we are today. Because when they did this in 1986, they did not do the enforcement, and that led to 11 million people. We will be right back here again in ten years or less if we don’t do the enforcement.”

Hannity: “Can I characterize that, if you don’t get enforcement first, or securing the borders first, is that a deal killer for you?”

Rubio: “Oh, absolutely. Yeah. Because we will be right back here again. I want to deal with this permanently. And by the way, I think the vast majority of people in both parties would agree with me on that point. No one ever wants to have to do this again. I mean, no one is happy about the fact that we have 11 million people here who are undocumented. This is something that should never ever happen again. But the decisions that were made that led to this happened when I was in ninth grade. That was a long time ago. And now we have to deal with it so that it never happens again.”

The confusion isn’t just contained to the Right, nor the concern over this point.  Greg Sargent reports that Democrats from the Gang of Eight have become just as evasive as some of the Republicans while Rubio publicly insists that the package will require commission approval before the normalization can proceed:

On CBS this morning, John McCain said the “final decision” about whether the border is secure will be made by the Department of Homeland Security, which suggests a diminished role for this commission, while remaining inconclusive on precisely how this process will work. But in an interview with Ed Morrissey late yesterday, Marco Rubio suggested he won’t support a path to citizenship unless the commission does sign off on border security, a position he reiterated in another interview. There’s no clear agreement even among Republicans about the role of this commission.

Meanwhile, Dem Senate aides tell me that the commission’s role is designed to be purely advisory and nonbinding. At the same time, Chuck Schumer’s office declined to respond to my request for clarification on this point.

Can we get a straight answer on this, please? This question is viewed as critical by people on both sides of the debate. Yet Senators appear to want to keep the answer to this question vague. Which tells us something about the politics of this fight — and about just how difficult the prospects for reform remain.

Judging by Rubio’s response to this question, it’ll be hard for Republicans to support reform that doesn’t require a security seal of approval from border state officials. This reflects pressure from the right on Republicans to demand an extremely heavy emphasis on enforcement in the plan. (See Conn Carroll pushing Rubio on this point.)

We probably won’t get a straight answer until we see the legislative language, and that will be a few weeks off.  However, Rubio is raising the bar on this issue in a very public manner, and even McCain’s answer suggests that the commission might have to pass the question to DHS before a decision can be made.  As Rubio and Hannity both agree, the devil is in the details.


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Just in case anyone doesn’t know that Rubio is going to be on Rush at 1PM today.

bluefox

And he’s spinning his ass off.

xblade on January 29, 2013 at 1:18 PM

And he’s spinning his ass off.

xblade on January 29, 2013 at 1:18 PM

He sounds like Bob Beckel.

Mr. Arrogant on January 29, 2013 at 1:20 PM

Rush is making Rubio nervous.

workingclass artist on January 29, 2013 at 1:22 PM

Rubio doesn’t think Obama’s backhand to him this morning was anything to concern himself with. Fix is in.

Mr. Arrogant on January 29, 2013 at 1:27 PM

Rubio in motormouth mode on Rush right now.

rayra on January 29, 2013 at 1:12 PM

Smart move on his part. The more he talks, the less time Rush has to question him. Limbaugh nibbled a little on Rubio’s BS sandwich, but he didn’t swallow it whole the way Levin did.

bw222 on January 29, 2013 at 1:31 PM

It makes no difference what the law says on enforcement. The government has steadfastly refused to enforce now. There is only one enforcement which will work. Build a wall. Most government workers are liberals. As the Obama administration has so amply shown, they will not enforce laws they don’t like. There is no way any politician can claim with a straight face that anything less than a physical barrier will ever be enforced.

Rocks on January 29, 2013 at 1:36 PM

Two faced, lighter version of Obama.
Go disappear up McCain’s crack, Marco DoDo.

RovesChins on January 29, 2013 at 1:36 PM

Rubio’s done before he even starts. Immigration is going to be his RomneyCare. Fergit it, HotAir. You’re going to have to find some other establishment-approved type to tout.

The lines are being drawn, folks.

pseudoforce on January 29, 2013 at 1:37 PM

Rush allowing leftist astro-turfers to call in now. Seems like Rush may now be in the tequila tank.

Mr. Arrogant on January 29, 2013 at 1:38 PM

He sounds like Bob Beckel.

Mr. Arrogant

Most of the folks on “our side” sound like democrats.

xblade on January 29, 2013 at 1:39 PM

Heh. Cool. It is rare when HotAirheads ‘get it’ like you guys above this, on this page do. Kudos to the few people who actually understand.

LegendHasIt on January 29, 2013 at 1:45 PM

Diversity = conflict.
You cannot get rid of this simple fact.
The reason that the progressives push for so much diversity is that it causes conflict, these conflicts require force to quell, this enables the government to acquire more power at the request of those willing to give up liberty for short term protection.

Enjoy the loss of your liberty as you work to diversify and balkinize this nation.

astonerii on January 29, 2013 at 1:45 PM

The New Republic Pushes Fake Picture of Obama Skeet Shooting…

…then blames Twitter.

Egg meet face, sycophantic ObamaFirsters.

lmfao

Resist We Much on January 29, 2013 at 1:51 PM

Rubio’s done before he even starts. Immigration is going to be his RomneyCare. Fergit it, HotAir. You’re going to have to find some other establishment-approved type to tout.

The lines are being drawn, folks.

pseudoforce on January 29, 2013 at 1:37 PM

I actually blame the retards on our side for this kind of action from Rubio. I tend to figure that politicians do what they are allowed to do. Rubio was lionized the conservative of super duper amazingly awesomeness LOOOOOOOOOOOONG before the guy ever accomplished one thing, beyond winning election that is.

astonerii on January 29, 2013 at 1:53 PM

And he’s spinning his ass off.

xblade on January 29, 2013 at 1:18 PM

And after the interview it sounds like Rush Limbaugh had a female orgasm for Rubio.

If Rubio is the future of the “conservative” movement, as Rush says, then I guess that’s the end of the conservative movement.

FloatingRock on January 29, 2013 at 1:54 PM

Just pulled the plug on Rush for ever. Sent him an email as well.

Savage is the only one left to listen to that communicates a true conservative agenda.

Mr. Arrogant on January 29, 2013 at 1:57 PM

NO AMNESTY……..SECURE THE BORDER!!!

Rubio is an idiot if he stands up there and believes that Schumer and Durbin want to be partners and will do something that might help the gop.

Rubio……LOOK AT ELECTORAL HISTORY.

The gop didn’t get shinola from the Hispanic community and they are voting 70/30 for free stuff and Obama.

PappyD61 on January 29, 2013 at 2:01 PM

And after the interview it sounds like Rush Limbaugh had a female orgasm for Rubio.

If Rubio is the future of the “conservative” movement, as Rush says, then I guess that’s the end of the conservative movement.

FloatingRock on January 29, 2013 at 1:54 PM

Rush is more of a party guy than he likes to let on. Rubio was on and talked and talked and said nothing. And “they” dare to talk about Palin’s “vacuity”.

pseudoforce on January 29, 2013 at 2:01 PM

FloatingRock on January 29, 2013 at 1:54 PM

Well, except the coroner pronounced the conservative movement dead when McCain got the nomination. The TEA Party surge was just muscle contractions before Rigor Mortis set in.

LegendHasIt on January 29, 2013 at 2:01 PM

Rush had another MARCOGASM!!

Rush, you know this is not going to work……you didn’t question him about working with Schumer and Durbin.

Rubio is no Reagan………Rush recognize that.

PappyD61 on January 29, 2013 at 2:10 PM

Rubio is nothing but a crappy Mccain type of tool! Hopefully this Amnasty scheme will make Rubio a 1 term loser!

el Vaquero on January 29, 2013 at 2:11 PM

The DHS will have final word on Border Security. WHich means, there will be no enforcement! John McCain needs to retire!

jjnco73 on January 29, 2013 at 2:11 PM

John McCain said the “final decision” about whether the border is secure will be made by the Department of Homeland Security.

LOL. And there’s no way Obama-shill Janet “the border is more secure than ever” Napolitano would ever lie about border security, is there?

What a joke this whole thing is. And as usual, the joke is on law-abiding, taxpaying Americans.

AZCoyote on January 29, 2013 at 2:12 PM

I like Rubio but he has not yet earned my trust & thus I dont believe for a second that he or any other GOP Congresscritter able to shape legislation will hold out for any border security-first setup.

Not going to happen. GOP leadership will fold like cheap suits the second the angry, judgmental MSM cameras are turned in their faces, as recent history has shown over and over and over again on issue after issue.

The Cubs and Browns will win titles in the same year before any influential Republican member of Congress displays any brains, heart, guts or balls.

Sacramento on January 29, 2013 at 2:14 PM

Savage is the only one left to listen to that communicates a true conservative agenda.

Mr. Arrogant on January 29, 2013 at 1:57 PM

Laura Ingraham was railing against amnesty this morning.

TxAnn56 on January 29, 2013 at 2:15 PM

I think it’s kind of funny how completely Rubio is destroying himself. Funny in that he think he’s cutting edge. But he’s the MSM version of what should constitute “leaddership” for Republicans, to packaged perfection; it’s Rand Paul who is really the cutting edge figure, defying the MSM model by truly listening to the grassroots.

rrpjr on January 29, 2013 at 2:18 PM

we MUST secure the border first else those evil Mexicans will sneak those evil nontracable assualt weapons across the border to Americans thus causing more violence like sandy hook right here in our country for the chillins we must secure our border. s/

ConcealedKerry on January 29, 2013 at 2:20 PM

i toldja guys the fat man sold his soul. the first hint was the trophy wife and elton john playing at his wedding. next we had him pushing tea and romney.
now rush pushing for amnesty rubio.

we are so screwed. guess we’ll just have to depend on ourselves.

renalin on January 29, 2013 at 2:21 PM

Folks, this is going to pass the Senate.

You need to call your House rep, their phone needs to ring off the hookNO TO AMNESTY.

Rebar on January 29, 2013 at 2:22 PM

John McCain said the “final decision” about whether the border is secure will be made by the Department of Homeland Security.

The Department of Homeland Security which is currently stockpiling billions of rounds of ammunition, purchasing tens of thousands AR-15′s (which they describe as personal defense weapons) and positioning arms depots in cities across the country complete with armored personnel vehicles?

That Department of Homeland Security?

John, you might want to send DHS a map showing them where our borders are.

Dusty on January 29, 2013 at 2:22 PM

JAY CARNEY, WHITE HOUSE PRESS SECRETARY: When it comes to border security, I think anyone who looks at this honestly will note the tremendous strides we have made in the past four years in protecting our borders. In fact, they have never been better enforced than they are now. And over the past four years this administration has dedicated unprecedented resources to secure the border, taken important steps to make interior and worksite enforcement of our immigration law smarter and more effective. And we have made historic investments in manpower, technology and infrastructure to help secure our borders.
And, like I said, our borders now are more secure than they have ever been in history. That work continues.

J_Crater on January 29, 2013 at 2:23 PM

Why is it Republican officials in Texas can be elected with up to 40 percent of Latino vote? Oh, yeah, Perry and Bush and Cruz aren’t idiots. Neither is Rubio. A lot around this place, though.

Marcus on January 29, 2013 at 11:12 AM

Finally a voice of reason.

Redford on January 29, 2013 at 2:25 PM

JAY CARNEY, WHITE HOUSE PRESS SECRETARY: ….And, like I said, our borders now are more secure than they have ever been in history. That work continues.

J_Crater on January 29, 2013 at 2:23 PM

2 obvious points on the last 2 sentences.

1) I should hope the borders are more secure now, given the fact that we have over 11 million illegals in the country already.

2) This is an admission that the border is still not secure as it needs to be. “That work continues”

weaselyone on January 29, 2013 at 2:28 PM

Folks, this is going to pass the Senate.

You need to call your House rep, their phone needs to ring off the hook – NO TO AMNESTY.

Rebar on January 29, 2013 at 2:22 PM

The Senate is still iffy. Here’s the math. You need 60 for cloture. Start with 55 Dems. There are 7 red state Dems up for re-election in 2014. Let’s say 5 vote no. You’re down to 50, so you need 10 Rs. Half of the gang of traitors is 4. You need 6 more Rs. The question is where would those remaining 6 come from.

TxAnn56 on January 29, 2013 at 2:28 PM

And after the interview it sounds like Rush Limbaugh had a female orgasm for Rubio.

If Rubio is the future of the “conservative” movement, as Rush says, then I guess that’s the end of the conservative movement.

FloatingRock

I don’t think that’s any longer in doubt.

Right now Rush is playing audio from the backers of the 1986 amnesty, and you have to laugh. It’s no different than what is being said right now. It’s almost word for word.

xblade on January 29, 2013 at 2:29 PM

Why is it Republican officials in Texas can be elected with up to 40 percent of Latino vote? Oh, yeah, Perry and Bush and Cruz aren’t idiots. Neither is Rubio. A lot around this place, though.

Marcus on January 29, 2013 at 11:12 AM

Because as of now, there is still a majority white voting electorate. My math says 40% is still less than 60%. Cruz, being Cuban and all, only got 40% of the vote. If the state were all hispanic, he would still lose. You can’t seem to understand that most of the illegals are natural Democratic voters.

TxAnn56 on January 29, 2013 at 2:32 PM

You can’t seem to understand that most of the illegals are natural Democratic voters.

TxAnn56 on January 29, 2013 at 2:32 PM

This.

Mr. Arrogant on January 29, 2013 at 2:34 PM

I think it’s kind of funny how completely Rubio is destroying himself. Funny in that he think he’s cutting edge.

This.

He sounds canned and naive. Sick of his references to his childhood, his background etc. as if it’s some kind of silver bullet.

LetsBfrank on January 29, 2013 at 2:36 PM

Finally a voice of reason.

Redford

A voice that apparently doesn’t realize that Cruz campaigned against amnesty and defeated an opponent who supported it. But thanks for playing.

xblade on January 29, 2013 at 2:41 PM

This.

He sounds canned and naive. Sick of his references to his childhood, his background etc. as if it’s some kind of silver bullet.

LetsBfrank on January 29, 2013 at 2:36 PM

It’s all he’s got. He’s the GOP Obama minus the base enthusiasm. Now let’s see how many more times HA can work his mug into the “Top Picks” section.

ddrintn on January 29, 2013 at 2:55 PM

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/jan/29/arrests-signal-9-percent-jump-illegal-immigration/

According to U.S. Border Patrol, illegal border crossings were up 9% last year. (And remember, the Border Patrol catches only a tiny percentage of those who enter the U.S. illegally).

Clearly, the border is more secure than ever! \

AZCoyote on January 29, 2013 at 2:59 PM

Because as of now, there is still a majority white voting electorate. My math says 40% is still less than 60%. Cruz, being Cuban and all, only got 40% of the Latino vote. If the state were all hispanic, he would still lose. You can’t seem to understand that most of the illegals are natural Democratic voters.

TxAnn56 on January 29, 2013 at 2:32 PM

Left that out of original post.

TxAnn56 on January 29, 2013 at 3:02 PM

A thought to ponder:
Largely the same people tell us that you “can’t deport them all” about ~20 million lawbreakers, and that we can somehow stop gun violence by banning “assault weapons” and regulating magazine sizes with something like 300 million arms in circulation.

GWB on January 29, 2013 at 3:39 PM

They all want U.S. to hand jobs over to the illegls, then the illegals get green cards, they get gandma over, they get anchor babies, ect. dole, emergacy room medical on our dime.

Then they promise they will secure the wide open border they have with malice left open from 1986 to this very hour.

If the American people fall for this con, they are marks and hopeless.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on January 29, 2013 at 5:27 PM

Limbaugh nibbled a little on Rubio’s BS sandwich, but he didn’t swallow it whole the way Levin did.

bw222 on January 29, 2013 at 1:31 PM

But then Levin thinks Obama is a natural born American and that Rubio is too. The man really ought to read the Constitution one of these days and not just the parts he likes.

VorDaj on January 29, 2013 at 6:07 PM

This is what happens when you join a Gang of Anything in the Senate,Marco! You own it and it will destroy you.What did you think was going to happen when you ally yourself with the likes of McCain and Graham.Hope you enjoy the support you will get from a handful of Hispanics,Rubio-because you have lost a whole lot more in disgusted conservatives!

redware on January 29, 2013 at 6:19 PM

Marco McAmnesty is radioactive to conservatives.
He’d better hope the WSJ and NYT can deliver lots of votes for him.
I’ll vote for anyone running against him.

james23 on January 29, 2013 at 10:35 PM

why stop at border security when 1/2 of the illegals come on a plane and overstay their visas. lets shut down the airports too That’ll teach those alien varmints to obey our laws.

Conservatives are being played for fools on this issue. The only reason for illegal immigration is that we allow too few legal immigrants into the country. Yes you can get an immigrant visa but it takes 10-15 years because we have a quota. We allow only allow 1 million legal immigrants into the US per year. If there was a functioning system for legal immigration there would be little illegal immigration.

Why do we need any limit on the number of LEGAL immigrants. If people are willing to work hard, aren’t diseased, aren’t criminals won’t become a public charge why not let them in?

We don’t let them in because it would create competition for low skill low wage union jobs. Business isn’t hurt because they merely ship the jobs to where the low cost labor is. Whenever someone wants to do something about immigration this side starts screaming about border security. You are merely doing a huge favor to big labor who repays you by blaming you for the problem with the Hispanic electorate.

Please Please stop being such A holes on this subject. Illegal immigration is caused by democratic policies for the benefit if democratic interest groups. Stop helping them.

oznerola on January 30, 2013 at 9:26 PM

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