McCain: DHS Secretary to have final word on border security?

posted at 9:01 am on January 29, 2013 by Ed Morrissey

That’s not what Marco Rubio thinks, but we’ll get back to that in a moment.  John McCain appeared on CBS This Morning to talk about the Gang of Eight proposal on immigration reform, and he starts out by insisting that “border security is a pre-requisite” for immigration reform.  But who gets to define when the border is secured in the Senate compromise plan?  Later in the interview, McCain says not the commission described in the plan, but the Obama administration:

And while McCain has previously said that the path to citizenship should be contingent upon securing the border with Mexico first, he insists the process of securing the border will not slow progress toward legislation.

The border state Senator will convene a “commission made up of the most knowledgeable people including border state governors,” and explained, “the final decision will be made by the secretary of homeland security.”

Later, though, McCain rebukes Jeb Bush’s criticism of the borders-first approach by telling Charlie Rose that “the people living in the southern part of my state deserve the same security you have in your studios.”  Perhaps the “recommendations” of the commission are stronger than what McCain suggests, but the entire premise sounds like they are merely consultants to the process.  Granted, if the commission insists that the border isn’t secure while the DHS Secretary certifies them as such, there will be some political blowback, but that’s not a guaranteed brake on the normalization process.

In my interview with Marco Rubio yesterday, he seemed to believe that he had signed up for the guaranteed brake.  And if the package doesn’t have it, Rubio committed to bailing out of it:

Yesterday, I spoke with Rubio about the proposal, and specifically about the trigger. “That’s one of the issues we have to work on,” Rubio said. “What was announced today was a set of principles.” Rubio explained that it will take a few weeks to move those principles into specific legislative language, but when that happens, the trigger has to work to make enforcement take priority. “I can tell you that based on my principles,” Rubio asserted, “I will not be supporting any law that does not ensure that the enforcement [prerequisites] happen, because I don’t want to be here in five or 10 years dealing with this again.” Otherwise, we will end up encouraging more people to flood into the U.S. illegally over the next few years, Rubio explained, while referencing what happened in 1986. “This is only worth doing if we ensure that this doesn’t happen again.”

Just to be sure, I asked the question a second time at the end of the interview. “You are committing that without an enforcement mechanism that requires the border security and the visa reform to be in place and be effective and certified by a commission in some sense, you are not going to go forward with the rest of this package?”

“I’m not going to support anything and I don’t want us to do anything,” Rubio replied, “that brings us right back to this point again in the future. And that’s why that we have to make sure that the way this law is structured, [it] ensures — guarantees — that the enforcement things happen. … Yes. That’s absolutely one of the key standards I bring, it’s one of the key parts of our principles.”

In my column for The Week, I write that Rubio is really the key to this deal:

That presents a problem for the other seven members of this group, if the final legislative language does not include those guarantees. If the trigger is real and has teeth, Rubio’s support could move a significant number of Republican votes in the Senate, and put pressure on House Republicans to finally put this issue to rest.

If Rubio peels off and announces his opposition to the effort, though, all bets are off. The Senate might still pass immigration reform, but they won’t find many Republicans other than McCain and Graham for cover; Jeff Flake could follow Rubio out of the deal under those circumstances. Without Rubio (and especially without both Rubio and Flake), the deal will go exactly nowhere in the House, which will only act on the bill if it gets substantial Republican support in the upper chamber first. John Boehner will have a tough time on this package as currently composed even with Rubio’s support. Without Rubio, it might prompt a real leadership fight, and Boehner’s unlikely to test out his standing to push through a proposal with the stench of 1986 on it, regardless of Democratic support.

It seems that even the members of this Gang of Eight are having trouble figuring out exactly what their own agreement meant.  As Greg Sargent put it on Twitter:

They will have a tough enough time pushing this through Congress even with a guaranteed brake on the process based on a lack of progress on border security and visa reform.  Without it, it’s going nowhere.  Maybe the Gang of Eight should compare notes a little more.


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Sure. No one believes any of this nonsense. Well maybe I shouldn’t say nobody.

Bmore on January 29, 2013 at 9:03 AM

the fix is in

mjbrooks3 on January 29, 2013 at 9:04 AM

Should have sealed that Southern border after 9-11. Didn’t then won’t now. Its all smoke and mirrors. The GOP is destined to lose this.

Bmore on January 29, 2013 at 9:04 AM

Just infuriating! Who knew Rubio would end up starring as Johns mini-me. Arrrgh!

Bmore on January 29, 2013 at 9:06 AM

Almost impossible not to believe Rubio is a twit, a liar, or both at this point.

aniptofar on January 29, 2013 at 9:06 AM

What tripe from McCain

He’s going to let Janet have final say…. Puhleeze

Rubio better get out now…. this will be so watered down

cmsinaz on January 29, 2013 at 9:07 AM

cmsinaz on January 29, 2013 at 9:07 AM

Someone mentioned that might be his plan all along. Go along and bail. Politically smart. I can’t say that I find that a good plan on his part. It is however a legitimate observation.

Bmore on January 29, 2013 at 9:09 AM

I can hear dear leader already…. if this doesn’t pass its ALL the gops fault ….don’t blame me Latino community

And the lsm will help with the message

cmsinaz on January 29, 2013 at 9:09 AM

Obama will veto anything with enforcement and then E.O. an amnesty mandate…………All Hail!

dmann on January 29, 2013 at 9:10 AM

A Bush with a tan. Let’s make the GOP the third party in 2016!

Archivarix on January 29, 2013 at 9:10 AM

What on earth is it going to take to get some honest to God good leadership in this Country?

Bmore on January 29, 2013 at 9:11 AM

Vichy Republicans.

kingsjester on January 29, 2013 at 9:11 AM

Where is our new wannabe hero, Rand Paul, on all of this?

And please, just retire and go drool on yourself somewhere, McRINO.

M240H on January 29, 2013 at 9:11 AM

THIS is what surrender looks like.

How about a simple solution—-secure the border first THEN talk? Can the GOP not see that this is a winning strategy? Unless of course your plan is complete and total surrender.

dirtseller on January 29, 2013 at 9:12 AM

Say anything to get elected, then get right back to work on dismantling out Republic.

I loathe them all.

Naturally Curly on January 29, 2013 at 9:13 AM

Bottom line- Jeff Sessions is the only one who got it right yesterday. Enforce the laws on the books before we start talking about pathways to citizenship. Securing the border and meaning it would be a good first step followed closely by enforcing laws against employers hiring illegals.

These two steps would solve much of the problems without a bunch of “Republicans” intent on winning elections by pandering even if it means selling out the nation.

Happy Nomad on January 29, 2013 at 9:14 AM

If the border security/enforcement is left up to Big Sis, there will be zero enforcement. They’re trying to force the American people to accept amnesty yet they’re not even talking about what this may do to the job market. Last night a local news station reported how Intel and other hi-tech companies are looking forward to hiring engineers, etc. So, these people are not taking just the migrant jobs and jobs Americans supposedly won’t do, they’re taking well paying jobs too.

GrannySunni on January 29, 2013 at 9:14 AM

Where is our new wannabe hero, Rand Paul, on all of this?

M240H on January 29, 2013 at 9:11 AM

Not sure, good question. Let me check my inbox, cause Blue Buddha loves to email me!…………………..Nope nothing. Why is it none of this surprises me anymore?

Bmore on January 29, 2013 at 9:14 AM

If the trigger is real and has teeth, Rubio’s support could move a significant number of Republican votes in the Senate, and put pressure on House Republicans to finally put this issue to rest.

Someone please remind me the last “Trigger” that worked, other than Roy Rogers Horse?

dirtseller on January 29, 2013 at 9:14 AM

Juan Queeg the Senator the GOP cannot flush…..

my dog’s senator smells bad and I can’t get him to use the toilet….

I call him “Lindsey Graham”

harlekwin15 on January 29, 2013 at 9:16 AM

Happy Nomad on January 29, 2013 at 9:14 AM

Yep. Sessions doesn’t seem to dig any of this idiocy. To early to tell with Cruz. Trey Gowdy is the one hedging his bets that surprise me a little.

Bmore on January 29, 2013 at 9:16 AM

Why all the teeth gnashing? Why all the theater? We all know where this is going. The system is fixable, right? ***crickets***

Limerick on January 29, 2013 at 9:17 AM

They can’t even figure out if the bill requires the border be secured before the normalization process begins? That tells me the answer is a definitive no.

Doughboy on January 29, 2013 at 9:19 AM

Rubio, the new heir to the ‘Maverick’ throne. He skillfully used the tea party to catapult his career, and now that McCain is old, Rubio is the new maverick.

tommy71 on January 29, 2013 at 9:19 AM

Obama is flying to Las Vegas today to give his speech on immigration reform at a high school. He’ll spend less than 3 hours there and the trip will cost taxpayers at least $1.5 million. That’s an expensive photo op on our dime!

GrannySunni on January 29, 2013 at 9:19 AM

As long as there is path to citizenship for the illegal immigrants then this whole deal is very destructive… Legalize them but with NO PATH TO CITIZENSHIP what so ever, not even Green Card… Just give them work visas that can be renewed every 5 years with a fee under the condition that they cannot have any government benefits (social security, medicare, medicaid, welfare, housing, food stamps, etc…) and as long as they do not commit any crimes and not just serious crimes… Also they should not be paying social security taxes or medicare taxes because they are not going to benefit it from them…

mnjg on January 29, 2013 at 9:19 AM

Retire John. Or just change your party affiliation and get it over with.

LoganSix on January 29, 2013 at 9:20 AM

They’ll make every concession they can think of for criminals, as if being here illegally is somehow a civil right. The day they stopped using the term ‘illegal alien’ and started calling them ‘undocumented workers’, I knew the entire matter would end up with a free ride for the criminals.

Liam on January 29, 2013 at 9:21 AM

appreciate the good work that senators in both parties have put into trying to fix our broken immigration system. There are some good elements in this proposal, especially increasing the resources and manpower to secure our border and also improving and streamlining legal immigration. However, I have deep concerns with the proposed path to citizenship. To allow those who came here illegally to be placed on such a path is both inconsistent with rule of law and profoundly unfair to the millions of legal immigrants who waited years, if not decades, to come to America legally.

-Senator Ted Cruz

Naturally Curly on January 29, 2013 at 9:21 AM

McShame, Rubio, Graham, Flake …

Despicable, lying scumbags, just like the dems they are colluding with against America. They are all low-lifes. Only Barky is a lower form of existence than these pond scum, but they’re all in it together, anyway. The whole gang should be deported to Mexico, so that they can live with the people they are truly working for. Barky can go eat dogs in Jakarta.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on January 29, 2013 at 9:21 AM

the fix is in

mjbrooks3 on January 29, 2013 at 9:04 AM

The fight has not even began so do not surrender that early… In 2007 the democrats controlled both houses of Congress and they could not pass this shit despite that President Bush and others Republicans were supporting it…

mnjg on January 29, 2013 at 9:21 AM

I loathe this man. There isn’t a principle of the Democratic Party that he won’t fight for.

Resist We Much on January 29, 2013 at 9:22 AM

Never trust anyone on immigration enforcement who refuses to even use the word “illegal”, and instead uses the “undocumented” language of the left. That category now includes Rubio.

Jon0815 on January 29, 2013 at 9:23 AM

DHS Secretary to have final word on border security? … OMG

We would be in a much better position to achieve immigration reform if the Obama Administration had spent that last four years enforcing federal law rather than dismantling it. Brave immigration agents have been left with no recourse but to sue their own Department head, simply so that they—like any other law officers—will be allowed to do their jobs. Just last Friday a federal judge made an important preliminary ruling in their favor. The ICE union also held their own agency head, John Morton, in no confidence with a unanimous vote. The first task for every media agency in the country ought to be to study this lawsuit, to listen to the long-documented complaints of ICE agents, and to review the record of stymied attempts at congressional oversight of DHS.

J_Crater on January 29, 2013 at 9:23 AM

Yepper Bmore

cmsinaz on January 29, 2013 at 9:24 AM

Rubio, the new heir to the ‘Maverick’ throne. He skillfully used the tea party to catapult his career,

tommy71 on January 29, 2013 at 9:19 AM

Meh. It was Charlie Orange Crisp who catapulted Rubio. He was never really any sort of Tea Party darling. Those Tea Partiers who knew nothing about Rubio kinda liked him but the ones who knew anything about him weren’t so enthusiastic. It was the media that claimed he was a big Tea Party favorite, but anyone running against Orange Crisp would have been a Tea Party favorite at the time.

Rubio was known by many to be retarded slime since way back when. Now, everyone knows.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on January 29, 2013 at 9:24 AM

The gang of eight don’t mean most of what was said yesterday. Border security first, paying back taxes, learning English, and going to the back of the line are all meaningless gestures. This is all about a path to amnesty and nothing else. Don’t be distracted by strong but meaningless words.

The fact of the matter is that any illegal that is drawing public welfare in any form is not worth protecting in any immigration reform.

Happy Nomad on January 29, 2013 at 9:25 AM

What a sad, sad situation. We used to have a two-party system. Now, one is desperately trying to imitate the other.

kingsjester on January 29, 2013 at 9:28 AM

Rubio’s cred is really on the wane with me. Here’s the worse part. I get the feeling he doesn’t give a rats ass about trying to repair it. Must be the water up there in D.C. or something.

Bmore on January 29, 2013 at 9:28 AM

Anyone know where Schadenfreude is? I am missing his sunny disposition.

can_con on January 29, 2013 at 9:29 AM

The word on Capitol Hill, including from a source who has worked extensively on immigration issues, is that the folks developing this Senate deal on the Republican side lack a solid understanding of immigration law, and are likely to have circles run around them by their Democratic counterparts and the advocacy groups that advise them.

Powerline.

One thing I recall from the 2007 shamnesty was that there would be a whole new host of immigration hearing officers to hear the illegals’ cases.

The requirements for such an officer limited the possible applicants only to to those who had experience representing illegal aliens.

Wethal on January 29, 2013 at 9:30 AM

Dang it! This makes me so freaking mad! To think its my day off. I have to find something positive to do today. I’m out.

Bmore on January 29, 2013 at 9:30 AM

Janet Renopolitano is nuts and shouldn’t have say over anything.

The Rogue Tomato on January 29, 2013 at 9:30 AM

can_con on January 29, 2013 at 9:29 AM

Check Bishop’s bunker.

Limerick on January 29, 2013 at 9:31 AM

Someone mentioned that might be his plan all along. Go along and bail. Politically smart. I can’t say that I find that a good plan on his part. It is however a legitimate observation.

Bmore

Rubio will be voting for whatever plan eventually comes out, despite his grandstanding. And Ed will say it’s a good thing because it takes immigration off the table just like he did yesterday, which is possibly the dumbest, most illogical argument around, yet seems to be a favorite among Rinos these days.

xblade on January 29, 2013 at 9:32 AM

What on earth is it going to take to get some honest to God good leadership in this Country?

Bmore on January 29, 2013 at 9:11 AM

Trademark that!

Ed,
Please place aforementioned trademark right next to the HA banner!

herm2416 on January 29, 2013 at 9:32 AM

@can_con lol

tommy71 on January 29, 2013 at 9:32 AM

Why do the idiots in Arizona keep re-electing this clown and allowing him to ruin the country? Why not just elect a democrat and get it over with? And the same goes for Grahamnesty.

RoadRunner on January 29, 2013 at 9:33 AM

McCain, retire already!

Ward Cleaver on January 29, 2013 at 9:33 AM

Face it, amnesty is the ultimate Cloward/Piven weapon in finalizing the destruction of America. If the messiah led government is for it, who dare be against it?

The dirty secret is that the elite in the GOP want this as badly, but they have an assigned role to play, until the last curtain drops.

Don L on January 29, 2013 at 9:33 AM

xblade on January 29, 2013 at 9:32 AM

It is an addiction to the game, no matter that you know the roulette wheel is rigged. You just gotta keep playing.

Limerick on January 29, 2013 at 9:34 AM

Obama is flying to Las Vegas today to give his speech on immigration reform at a high school. He’ll spend less than 3 hours there and the trip will cost taxpayers at least $1.5 million. That’s an expensive photo op on our dime!

GrannySunni on January 29, 2013 at 9:19 AM

I asked a few questions at the Post just a bit ago:

Finally, we have again a bipartisan bill coming out of the Senate that looks promising, and Obama’s going to Vegas to what? Ask for “more liberal” language that Republicans or Democrats will find harder to vote for? Why would the President get in the way of progress? What’s the motivation this time around Mr. Obama? Does the fact that the Senate is WORKING TOGETHER really upset some hidden agenda? What ever happened to “the great uniter”? What “special interest” is involved this time around?

It’s not a photo-op Granny, the man just can’t stand to see legislation passed without his royal stamp of approval on it. Mr. Ego strikes again.

Rovin on January 29, 2013 at 9:35 AM

Fire up those popcorn poppers!

Naturally Curly on January 29, 2013 at 9:36 AM

AMNESTY!!!!!

FREEBIES for more Illegals!!!!

More incentive to empty Mexico!

More votes demanding BIGGER government!!!

More cheap labor for Big business.

North American Union.

Did I miss anything????

PappyD61 on January 29, 2013 at 9:37 AM

Will Obama be delivering his sermon at Sanctimonious High?

can_con on January 29, 2013 at 9:39 AM

Rubio’s cred is really on the wane with me. Here’s the worse part. I get the feeling he doesn’t give a rats ass about trying to repair it. Must be the water up there in D.C. or something.

Bmore on January 29, 2013 at 9:28 AM

Rubio is on the outs with me as well. Really good personal story but he’s from Cuba which is a totally different immigration experience than sneaking across the border. But more importantly, he’s becoming more “moderate” with each and every speech.

Jindal is also losing it in his attempt to pander to the parasites, moochers, and others who don’t give a rat’s behind about anything but getting free stuff.

Happy Nomad on January 29, 2013 at 9:40 AM

Thaaaat’s why Big Sis ordered all those assault rifles. She’s gearing up to defend the southern border. Isn’t this plan the same as the old plan? Must have gotten the wash, rinse, and repeat treatment in McLame’s office.

Kissmygrits on January 29, 2013 at 9:40 AM

What’s fascinating to me is that they can’t even bother to construct a decent lie about enforcement given how quickly the enforcement fantasy collapsed in the last day or two. Much like the MSM, a lot of these chameleon politicians are now showing their true colors.

Not sure, good question. Let me check my inbox, cause Blue Buddha loves to email me!…………………..Nope nothing. Why is it none of this surprises me anymore?

Bmore on January 29, 2013 at 9:14 AM

A lot of Ron Paul types are big fans of open borders, so this isn’t really surprising.

Doomberg on January 29, 2013 at 9:42 AM

The totally O/T “Maps of the Day” in the spirit of Superbowl Week…

An Enclave Of Steelers Fans In Oregon? The Surprising Maps That Show How The Country Is Divided Over The NFL

Resist We Much on January 29, 2013 at 9:44 AM

Why do the idiots in Arizona keep re-electing this clown and allowing him to ruin the country?

RoadRunner on January 29, 2013 at 9:33 AM

The GOP and the squishes (including idiots like ace) jumped all over JD Hayworth (just as they’ve done with every conservative and did this last presidential primary to force that POS Romney on us) and made some play of a big deal; because he did friggin infomercials while he was out of politics. McShame was helped along by the media, mainstream (i.e. leftist commies) and the right (i.e. classic democrats) and slimed back into the Senate even after he had made himself the most detested person in the GOP and then the biggest loser in the GOP. Lucky for McShame that he has no shame. Otherwise, he’d be in big trouble.

Anyway, the medias – left/commie and right/squish – and the GOP always take their jobs very seriously to deride and demonize any conservatives to insure that pieces of sh!t like McShame keep getting back into office and slugs like the Weeping Boner maintain their leadership positions after they’ve been unmitigated, embarrassing disasters of historic proportions.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on January 29, 2013 at 9:45 AM

Rubio wants to be President, but he has to know that after his amnesty is passed, there will never be another Republican President.

I have a theory: As soon as amnesty is passed and 30 million new democrat voters are registered, Rubio will run for President as a DEMOCRAT! GOP won’t even bother putting up a candidate.

Alabama Infidel on January 29, 2013 at 9:45 AM

whenever you hear about “Gang of ##” groups in the Senate you know it’s time to be afraid about what type of BS they’ll come up with.

gsherin on January 29, 2013 at 9:48 AM

What’s fascinating to me is that they can’t even bother to construct a decent lie about enforcement given how quickly the enforcement fantasy collapsed in the last day or two.

Doomberg on January 29, 2013 at 9:42 AM

That’s because they’re some pretty dumb, incompetent people who really couldn’t think their way out of a wet paper bag. Poliltics attracts the dregs of society. The stupid dregs.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on January 29, 2013 at 9:50 AM

Didn’t Big Sis already tell us the border was secure?

We winter in Mission, TX, right on the border. We were told that Big Sis came down and rode the Rio Grande with about 10 gun boats all around her. She remarked how secure the area was!

Yet at least on a weekly basis, Border Patrol down here are chasing illegals through the cane fields. Of course they don’t cross while 10 gun boats are speeding down the Rio Grande.

katablog.com on January 29, 2013 at 9:51 AM

OT: Obamacare Exchanges tax flaw?

http://m.washingtonpost.com/blogs/thinktanked/wp/2013/01/28/will-obamacare-unravel-cato-scholar-issues-debate-challenge/

Excerpt:

Michael Cannon, director of Health Policy Studies at the libertarian Cato Institute, has been at the forefront of one attempt to dismantle the ACA, one that has been gaining steam. He argues that Congress meant for the subsidies to help individuals purchase health insurance through state (not federally) created exchanges. “If a state opts instead for a federal exchange, as more than 30 states have, the IRS has zero authority to penalize employers there,” Cannon wrote last month.

RWM: your thoughts?

can_con on January 29, 2013 at 9:54 AM

Instead of typing here all day. I’ll be on the phone with my reps indicating my displeasure with this bill and the GOP leadership in general. You should do the same.

Mr. Arrogant on January 29, 2013 at 9:54 AM

whenever you hear about “Gang of ##” groups in the Senate you know it’s time to be afraid about what type of BS they’ll come up with.

gsherin on January 29, 2013 at 9:48 AM

That’s not entirely true but when the subject is amnesty for illegals and the group includes the slimiest of the filth in the Senate including McCain, Graham, Durbin, and Schumer…… there is no question that this is a bad deal for America.

Happy Nomad on January 29, 2013 at 9:55 AM

appreciate the good work that senators in both parties have put into trying to fix our broken immigration system.

The system isn’t broken. The effort to enforce the existing laws is broken.

Mimzey on January 29, 2013 at 9:55 AM

Rubio wants a promotion in four years. This is what this is all about. And really I’d like to actually wina national election… M’Kay. I also love how Rubio is now an evil RINO.. He agrees with you 80% of the time.

Illinidiva on January 29, 2013 at 9:58 AM

I’m with Jonathan Turley and Glenn Beck
( unlikely pair ) . We need a third party that
stands up for the constution and the rule of
law .

Lucano on January 29, 2013 at 10:01 AM

Where is our new wannabe hero, Rand Paul, on all of this?

M240H on January 29, 2013 at 9:11 AM

The same place he is on ending the Bush Wars and Obama Occupations: not destroying his career fighting basically alone for something few if any politicians will back him up for.

And I’m sorry but a group that is increasingly in the minority is not going to make up for that.

MelonCollie on January 29, 2013 at 10:01 AM

Can we trade off McCain to Vietnam for a communist to be named later?

chicken thief on January 29, 2013 at 10:01 AM

I also love how Rubio is now an evil RINO..

He’s a low-life scumbag who needs to STFU and FOAD. Rubio’s also an idiot.

He agrees with you 80% of the time.

Illinidiva on January 29, 2013 at 9:58 AM

I share 96% of my DNA with an ape. I don’t think you understand much about percentages and what they really say. Rubio is wrong on the important issues. Amnesty is a total deal-breaker and anyone who wasn’t in a coma for the years 2006-2008 understands that the GOP committed suicide on pushing amnesty over and over. Rubio is, evidently, too friggin stupid to understand that. He needs to just go the fvck away. He’s a worm.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on January 29, 2013 at 10:03 AM

Sen. McCain, you look tired, retire today. Why in the world would you put this in the hands of a political appointee? We barely trust the people we voted to put there, let alone some partisan hack. And quit trying to make citizens of people before we know who they are, they aren’t going to vote for you anyway.

Cindy Munford on January 29, 2013 at 10:04 AM

I’m with Jonathan Turley and Glenn Beck
( unlikely pair ) . We need a third party that
stands up for the constution and the rule of
law .

Lucano on January 29, 2013 at 10:01 AM

THIS…and we get an inflatable Gumby, to boot!

(Turley has been known to bring an inflatable Gumby to his ConCrimPro classes on occasion. Semper Gumby! lol)

Resist We Much on January 29, 2013 at 10:07 AM

Rubio wants a promotion in four years. This is what this is all about. And really I’d like to actually wina national election… M’Kay. I also love how Rubio is now an evil RINO.. He agrees with you 80% of the time.

Illinidiva on January 29, 2013 at 9:58 AM

Yeah, but sometimes that 20% can kill you. We’re not talking about a disagreement over naming a Post Office. We’re talking about fundamentaly changing the country. Wait a minute, where have I heard that?

Alabama Infidel on January 29, 2013 at 10:09 AM

Dollars to donuts say Obama will torpedo any deal they make. He will keep the issue alive and further inflame it to divide the GOP and “pulverize” the party in time for the 2014 elections.

petefrt on January 29, 2013 at 10:10 AM

Yep. Sessions doesn’t seem to dig any of this idiocy. To early to tell with Cruz. Trey Gowdy is the one hedging his bets that surprise me a little.

Bmore on January 29, 2013 at 9:16 AM

Sessions is always the unsung hero. He, DeMint and Vitter were instrumental in defeating amnesty in 2006/2007. I called his DC office this morning to thank him. The good guys need to know we appreciate what they’re doing.

NumbersUSA has already sent out fax alerts to members in Gowdy’s district asking to him to clarify his wobbly statement.

On my way to Cruz’s Houston office this morning to thank him for issuing a statement, and to urge him to stand strong because he’s gonna feel the heat from the other side. Jennifer Rubin has already started.

TxAnn56 on January 29, 2013 at 10:13 AM

Trey Gowdy is the one hedging his bets that surprise me a little.

Bmore on January 29, 2013 at 9:16 AM

I’ll say. The only thought about illegals and enforcement that should be on the mind of anyone with a brain is the impeachment of Barky for his dictatorial, Sukarno-like decision that he can pick and choose among laws to do as he wishes in order to “legalize” the little illegals. Instead, we have a rush of GOPers to be accessories to Barky’s un-Constitutional act and the rest are wobbling about how much collusion with the Indonesian criminal dictator is appropriate.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on January 29, 2013 at 10:18 AM

It is an addiction to the game, no matter that you know the roulette wheel is rigged. You just gotta keep playing.

Limerick

That’s as good an explanation as any, lol.

Rubio wants a promotion in four years. This is what this is all about. And really I’d like to actually wina national election… M’Kay. I also love how Rubio is now an evil RINO.. He agrees with you 80% of the time.

Illinidiva

You’re clearly ok with advancing liberal causes, so you did win in 2012, didn’t you?

xblade on January 29, 2013 at 10:21 AM

Just reading drudge dear leader will include language allowing same sex couples access to green cards…..

cmsinaz on January 29, 2013 at 10:23 AM

Just plain CRAZY!
Why do the folks in AZ keep voting this old worn out lousy pilot into office?
I just don’t get it. He should get the heck out and live off his wife’s money…
Just can’t stand him, Gramnisty, of Shummer or anyone who thinks like them.
You give them a position and they take everything away from the people who put them in office.
The voters in this country are just plain stupid!

Delsa on January 29, 2013 at 10:27 AM

You’re clearly ok with advancing liberal causes, so you did win in 2012, didn’t you?

xblade on January 29, 2013 at 10:21 AM

Ummm.. Yeah totally enjoyed those tax increases this year. Also, enjoy the fact that I’m paying money to Medicare and Social Security and won’t get any benefits in return. Frankly, I find Sandra Fluke, Lena Dunham, and the Occupy Wall Street crowd more dangerous to the U.S. than a Mexican guy who wants to pick fruit for less than minimum wage in the U.S. And if immigration bill helps us win an election in 2016 and stop the Sandra Flukes and other upper middle class spoiled liberal brats from emptying the U.S. Treasury than I’m all for it.

Illinidiva on January 29, 2013 at 10:30 AM

Homeland Security Wants 7,000 AR-15s For “Personal Defense”

Cool ! Don’t worry Mr. Reno will protect us all .

Lucano on January 29, 2013 at 10:35 AM

rankly, I find Sandra Fluke, Lena Dunham, and the Occupy Wall Street crowd more dangerous to the U.S. than a Mexican guy who wants to pick fruit for less than minimum wage in the U.S.

Illinidiva on January 29, 2013 at 10:30 AM

Call them what they are: criminals.

And there’s tens of millions of them

THAT is the problem.

MelonCollie on January 29, 2013 at 10:36 AM

THIS…and we get an inflatable Gumby, to boot!

Now that’s a bonus I can live with !

Lucano on January 29, 2013 at 10:37 AM

Now that’s a bonus I can live with !

Lucano on January 29, 2013 at 10:37 AM

:-)

Resist We Much on January 29, 2013 at 10:40 AM

TxAnn56 on January 29, 2013 at 10:13 AM

Good for you Ann!

JusDreamin on January 29, 2013 at 10:46 AM

“the final decision will be made by the secretary of homeland security.”

Hasn’t Big Sis already declared our southern border to be secure?

Why, yes she has

AZfederalist on January 29, 2013 at 10:47 AM

With a president that can ignore the law and rule like a Caesar, what good are any agreements that we make with democratics?

Amnesty happens in an instant, while the closing of the border has to be maintained for decades. That fact demonstrates that you can’t trade one for the other.

slickwillie2001 on January 29, 2013 at 10:50 AM

And if immigration bill helps us win an election in 2016 and stop the Sandra Flukes and other upper middle class spoiled liberal brats from emptying the U.S. Treasury than I’m all for it.

Illinidiva

So you think Dick Durbin, Chuck Schumer and Robert Menedez are pushing this amnesty bill because they think it will help us win the election in 2016?

Bwaaaaaha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha…..

Stop it, you’re killing me.

xblade on January 29, 2013 at 10:56 AM

I’ll be on the phone with my reps indicating my displeasure with this bill and the GOP leadership in general. You should do the same.
Mr. Arrogant on January 29, 2013 at 9:54 AM

Done. I got a squishy answer about Sen. Hagan’s (D) position on these propasals (which was very much expected), but I informed her office that I will be watching closely and that I will certainly actively work against her re-election effort in 2014 if she comes out in favor. (I’ll be doing that no matter what she says anyway.) Sen. Burr’s(R) office was a little more re-assuring that he would not be going along with this, but made no actual commitment one way or the other yet. I’ll be calling many more times as this progresses.
Call all your Congressional reps. at (202) 224-3121.

lynncgb on January 29, 2013 at 10:57 AM

MelonCollie on January 29, 2013 at 10:36 AM

Ummm.. And coming across the border for better opportunities strikes me as nobler than 30-year-old spoiled trust fund brat doing a Veruca Salt impression over paying for her birth control. Your ancestors probably came over here in search of a better life. And if you were in their shoes, I’m sure many would come for better opportunities. Latino guy willing to pick fruit for minimum wage is more valuable to this country than the Sandra Fluke crowd.

Illinidiva on January 29, 2013 at 11:00 AM

xblade on January 29, 2013 at 10:56 AM

Okay.. Well, then I guess that we should just all admit conservatism is dead, so we can pack up and go home. I won’t have to vote in another election again.

Illinidiva on January 29, 2013 at 11:05 AM

Frankly, I find Sandra Fluke, Lena Dunham, and the Occupy Wall Street crowd more dangerous to the U.S. than a Mexican guy who wants to pick fruit for less than minimum wage in the U.S.

Illinidiva

Frankly, that’s just one reason why you’re an idiot out of many. You do know the vast majority of the 20-30 million Mexican citizens to be actually agree with Dunham and Fluke, right?

You’re not fooling anyone.

xblade on January 29, 2013 at 11:07 AM

Okay.. Well, then I guess that we should just all admit conservatism is dead, so we can pack up and go home. I won’t have to vote in another election again.

Illinidiva

You’re no conservative, so I’m guessing that’s a good thing as far as you’re concerned.

xblade on January 29, 2013 at 11:09 AM

Guy worked ng a minimum wage job has a much great work ethic that someone who has been living off Mom and Dad into her thirties.

Illinidiva on January 29, 2013 at 11:12 AM

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