Audio: Rush Limbaugh and Marco Rubio on immigration reform

posted at 3:12 pm on January 29, 2013 by Allahpundit

Via the Examiner, here’s the acid test of Rubio’s conservative-media charm offensive on immigration. Are his retail political skills so formidable that he can sell Rush and his enormous grassroots audience on a bill which, by McCain’s own admission, is little different from what Ted Kennedy was pushing circa 2007? Actually, that’s the wrong question. He’s not really selling the Senate bill here. What he’s selling is the idea that comprehensive reform is the conservative thing to do, even if this particular bill ends up going down in flames when the enforcement mechanisms prove too weak. (He emphasizes at around 3:30 that he won’t support it if there’s no meaningful enforcement trigger in the final draft, a point he made yesterday on Ed’s show too.) Rush issues no official verdict but he does congratulate Rubio on doing something “admirable and noteworthy” in “recognizing reality,” just a day after he said of the Senate bill, “I don’t know that there’s any stopping this. It’s up to me and Fox News, and I don’t think Fox News is that invested in this.” Whatever ends up passing or not passing, sounds like Rubio’s immunized himself from charges of RINO-dom, which I think is one of his core goals in courting righty media so aggressively.

BuzzFeed thinks the key passage is where Rubio says he won’t vote for the bill without real enforcement measures built in, but as I say, we already knew that from Ed’s show yesterday. The real key comes at around 4:00 when Rush asks the million-dollar question, i.e. won’t a path to citizenship mean millions more votes for Democrats on balance? Rubio’s telling reply:

I am confident that, given a fair chance, I can convince most Americans, including Americans of Hispanic descent, that limited government and free enterprise is better for them and better for their upward mobility than big government is. Because that’s the reason why they came here.

If you share that confidence, you should feel much better about the Senate bill (and future reform efforts) than doomsayers do. If you don’t, and I don’t for various reasons, then no. But note the “I” instead of “we” or “Republicans” or “conservatives.” That’s the sound of a man who’s supremely confident in his ability to move mountains through the sheer force of his charisma. (Can you think of any prominent Democrats who feel the same way about themselves?) This interview, and his other interviews lately, are a demonstration of it: Can he convince the most deeply skeptical members of his own party to at least keep an open mind about the sort of bill that made McCain’s “Maverick” label a curse word among conservatives? He’s doing pretty well so far, no? The real target audience here, I think, isn’t Rush’s audience but centrist Republicans and media types who are desperate to make the base more open to centrist policy ideas but completely confounded as to how to do it. Rubio’s message: I can do it. And maybe he’s right. Maybe each side’s ideological principles are basically only as sturdy as the support they get from charismatic leaders at the top. Ask an anti-war Obama voter about that, if you can still find one.

Exit question: There are bound to be a handful of Democratic defections in the Senate on the immigration bill, which means, realistically, Reid needs at least 10 or so Republicans to vote yes. Can he possibly get there if Rubio votes no?


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xblade on January 29, 2013 at 7:10 PM

My brother just called me and said that Levin was giving Rubio a pass. Have all the “conservative” media been giving their marching orders from someone? All except the handful like the Boss Emeritus and Laura Ingraham. Rubio’s spouting the same crap for days now thinking that if he repeats it enough, we’ll roll over and magically embrace amnesty.

If you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor…..

TxAnn56 on January 29, 2013 at 7:16 PM

Rah, rah, sis boom bah!

Here we go again. Romney redux.

rrpjr

Terry is a mental patient. Just say a prayer and hope she better some day.

xblade on January 29, 2013 at 7:19 PM

My brother just called me and said that Levin was giving Rubio a pass. Have all the “conservative” media been giving their marching orders from someone? All except the handful like the Boss Emeritus and Laura Ingraham. Rubio’s spouting the same crap for days now thinking that if he repeats it enough, we’ll roll over and magically embrace amnesty.

If you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor…..

TxAnn56 on January 29, 2013 at 7:16 PM

Savage is anti-Amnesty. Borders. Language. Culture.
His Nationalist Party idea is gaining traction.

Mr. Arrogant on January 29, 2013 at 7:19 PM

Has anyone asked Rand Paul what he thinks of this? I’m guessing that Rand Paul is being ignored so that we don’t hear any objections.

Vince on January 29, 2013 at 4:21 PM

Sen Paul has already signed on the Rubio plan. That should cause a firestorm….:)

11 million are already here..is that amnesty? People don’t understand it….

Redford on January 29, 2013 at 7:19 PM

I gave up on Rush Limbaugh when he was bragging about spending
the night at the White House in the Lincoln bedroom when Bush
was president.

Amjean on January 29, 2013 at 7:22 PM

My brother just called me and said that Levin was giving Rubio a pass. Have all the “conservative” media been giving their marching orders from someone? All except the handful like the Boss Emeritus and Laura Ingraham. Rubio’s spouting the same crap for days now thinking that if he repeats it enough, we’ll roll over and magically embrace amnesty.

If you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor…..

TxAnn56

Your brother is right. Levin actually just said Rubio’s plan is more conservative than his hero Ronald Reagan’s plan was. I wasn’t a big Romney fan, but if Romney had been running around spewing the crap Rubio has been spewing today, Levin would have torn him a new one.

xblade on January 29, 2013 at 7:24 PM

xblade on January 29, 2013 at 7:10 PM

Thanks for the link.

FloatingRock on January 29, 2013 at 7:24 PM

Levin: the ultimate betrayal

WordsMatter on January 29, 2013 at 7:26 PM

I love Rush, but this bill is a pathetic crap sandwich

None of these people should been given any kind of public assistance or be allowed to vote, much less full citizenship

TexasJew on January 29, 2013 at 7:27 PM

Your brother is right. Levin actually just said Rubio’s plan is more conservative than his hero Ronald Reagan’s plan was. I wasn’t a big Romney fan, but if Romney had been running around spewing the crap Rubio has been spewing today, Levin would have torn him a new one.

xblade on January 29, 2013 at 7:24 PM

He just called again and said what you did. You’re right though, Levin would have nailed Romney to the wall. I don’t know if someone has threatened to yank his time slot or his show or what. My brother said the word amnesty wasn’t used and Rubio kept saying “undocumented”. The big bad Rs can’t say illegal alien anymore because that would be mean and raaaaaciiiisssttttt. Good luck Senor Rubio, because like it or not you still can’t win without the base. And Rubio has essentially told the base to eff off.

TxAnn56 on January 29, 2013 at 7:29 PM

RUSH: I’ll support amnesty. We’ll make ‘em full-fledged citizens. But as a penalty for having been here illegally, they can’t vote for 25 years.

kakypat on January 29, 2013 at 7:31 PM

TxAnn56 on January 29, 2013 at 7:16 PM

I just turned Levin on and listened to about two minutes between commercial breaks and it sounded to me like Levin was giving Rubio a pass.

FloatingRock on January 29, 2013 at 7:32 PM

IMO, Rush, Hannity and Levin are holding their fire until they see the actual bill, which has not yet been written.

kakypat on January 29, 2013 at 7:34 PM

Thanks for the link.

FloatingRock

No problem. If you click around, you can find links to most any talk show you want there.

Levin: the ultimate betrayal

WordsMatter

It’s really uncanny. He knows it’s a bad deal, but refuses to call Rubio out on it. This is what happens when these guys become friends with politicians.

xblade on January 29, 2013 at 7:35 PM

IMO, Rush, Hannity and Levin are holding their fire until they see the actual bill, which has not yet been written.

kakypat on January 29, 2013 at 7:34 PM

I don’t know. I do know that Hannity “evolved” 2 days after the election because Fox News owner Rupert Murdoch, who is a huge amnesty supporter, told him to evolve. He’s going to dance to whatever tune Murdoch tells him. I’m just really surprised at Rush and Levin, and Levin even had Sessions on first, who is on the front lines fighting this monstrosity.

TxAnn56 on January 29, 2013 at 7:40 PM

Bush was elected to 2 terms and got (IIRC) 45% of the Latino vote. Romney lost by some ~500,000 votes across about 4 states to the worst president in history and got about ~27% of the Latino vote.

They are the fastest growing demographic. We don’t need to win them (right now) – we just need to not get crushed by them. If Rubio passes this and is the GOP nominee, I think they’re calculating they might be able to clear Bush’s numbers.

When it comes to guns, the people voting on the primary basis of gun rights will almost always select the R over the D, but it’s not a primary voting issue for many – certainly not enough to single-handedly pull you over the finish line. Anyone with a pulse knew before the election Obama would erase the 2nd Amendment right out of the Constitution if he could.

crrr6 on January 29, 2013 at 7:08 PM

Well, I think they want to remove immigration as an issue, particularly the GOP, so they’re not bludgeoned with it during campaign season. But, I think it’s foolish to believe the GOP will get credit for anything here. Obama will sign it, it’ll be Obama that will claim credit, and the media will be all too willing to back him up. The GOP’s role will be minimized, if acknowledged at all, and the Left will continue to demagogue the hell out of the issue.

I don’t know what the answer here is…having millions of illegals here is a problem, and short of shipping them all back (which isn’t happening) I don’t know what you do with them. But, this “reform” doesn’t sound like the best solution, especially when there’s no way this admin will bother with the enforcement pieces.

changer1701 on January 29, 2013 at 7:40 PM

He just called again and said what you did. You’re right though, Levin would have nailed Romney to the wall. I don’t know if someone has threatened to yank his time slot or his show or what. My brother said the word amnesty wasn’t used and Rubio kept saying “undocumented”. The big bad Rs can’t say illegal alien anymore because that would be mean and raaaaaciiiisssttttt. Good luck Senor Rubio, because like it or not you still can’t win without the base. And Rubio has essentially told the base to eff off.

TxAnn56 on January 29, 2013 at 7:29 PM

McCain was still the nominee in ’08 after pushing amnesty under Bush.

changer1701 on January 29, 2013 at 7:42 PM

In 1980, Carter received 56% of the Hispanic vote while Reagan only got 37% — a difference of 19%.

In 1984, Mondale received 66% of the Hispanic vote while Reagan only got 34.82% — a difference of 31.18%.

In 1986, President Ronald Reagan signed The Immigration Reform and Control Act of 1986 a/k/a Simpson-Mazzilo into law, which granted amnesty to 3 million illegal immigrants, the vast majority of which were Hispanic.

In 1988, Michael Dukakis won 70.15% of the Hispanic vote while the Vice-President of the man who legalised millions of Hispanics, George H W Bush, received a mere 30.85% — a difference of 39.3%.

If Hispanics could be purchased with amnesty, then they would have overwhelmingly voted Republican in 1988. They didn’t so that should tell the “brains” in the GOP something.

Continuing on…

In 1992, Bill Clinton won 61% of the Hispanic vote while President George H.W. Bush won 25% – a difference of 36%.

In 1996, President Bill Clinton won 72% of the Hispanic vote while Senator Bob Dole received a mere 21% – a difference of 51%.

In 2000, Vice-President Al Gore won 62% of the Hispanic vote while George W Bush won only 35% – a difference of 27%.

In 2004, Senator John Kerry won 58% of the Hispanic vote while President George W Bush won 40% – a difference of 18%.

In 2008, Senator Barack Obama, who voted AGAINST President Bush’s immigration reform, won 67% of the Hispanic vote while Senator John McAmnesty won a mere 31% – a difference of 36%.

In 2012, President Barack Obama won 71% of the Hispanic vote while Mitt Romney won only 27% – a difference of 44%.

Immigration Reform: If The Past Is Prologue…

M2RB: Lynyrd Skynryd

Resist We Much on January 29, 2013 at 7:44 PM

TxAnn56 on January 29, 2013 at 7:40 PM

While I agree with you on Hannity, though I haven’t heard him lately, I believe Rush and Levin (who don’t normally have many guests, especially Rush) had Rubio on today as a courtesy. I believe that, after the bill is written and they’ve had a chance to study the details, depending on what they are, Rush and Levin probably won’t be so kindly disposed.

kakypat on January 29, 2013 at 7:45 PM

Has anyone asked Rand Paul what he thinks of this? I’m guessing that Rand Paul is being ignored so that we don’t hear any objections.

Vince on January 29, 2013 at 4:21 PM

Sen Paul has already signed on the Rubio plan. That should cause a firestorm….:)

11 million are already here..is that amnesty? People don’t understand it….

Redford on January 29, 2013 at 7:19 PM

Try 20 to 30 million, Jack. And, use E-Verify And NO BENEFITS for illegals, there is no incentive to be here. Unless you like being covered in ticks.

RovesChins on January 29, 2013 at 7:45 PM

Very telling how many strict enforcement-only bills have died in Congress:

Sensenbrenner’s (R) Dec. 2005 bill, with a DEMOCRAT-voted poison pill.

Heath Shuler’s (D – NC) twice-ignored (2006 and 2008) SAVE Act, once with 200 plus co-sponsors, but Pelosi wouldn’t hold a vote, and almost all Democrat cosponsors refused to demand a vote on it!!

Lamar Smith’s 2011/12 HR 2885 mandatory and universal E-Verify bill died in Dave Camp’s (R) Ways and Means committee. (with thanks to Boehner)

Open borders fans are holding America’s security hostage by demanding the reward of the ill-gotten goods (residency) to those who have stolen it.

fred5678 on January 29, 2013 at 7:47 PM

McCain was still the nominee in ’08 after pushing amnesty under Bush.

changer1701 on January 29, 2013 at 7:42 PM

He was next-in-line, and had weak competition.

Jon0815 on January 29, 2013 at 7:47 PM

Rubio is not pushing for amnesty.

He accepts that there is nothing he or the GOP can do to stop that single article with in the immigration bill that is being wrote today. He’s being reasonable not dogmatic in the face of overwhelming odds for amnesty. Your absolutism stands in the way of your ability to reason in the face of the odds. Rubio [and some others, including four Democrats] want much more applied to this “reform” bill.

Perhaps before commenting u hit ‘play’ and actually LISTEN to the tape

Redford on January 29, 2013 at 7:51 PM

Rubio is not pushing for amnesty.

He accepts that there is nothing he or the GOP can do to stop that single article with in the immigration bill that is being wrote today. He’s being reasonable not dogmatic in the face of overwhelming odds for amnesty. Your absolutism stands in the way of your ability to reason in the face of the odds. Rubio [and some others, including four Democrats] want much more applied to this “reform” bill.

Perhaps before commenting u hit ‘play’ and actually LISTEN to the tape

Redford on January 29, 2013 at 7:51 PM

The rule of law still means something to some people.
Bend over if you like.

RovesChins on January 29, 2013 at 7:54 PM

Redford on January 29, 2013 at 7:51 PM

Strap on this helmet. Here it comes!

thebrokenrattle on January 29, 2013 at 7:59 PM

Rubio is not pushing for amnesty.

Redford

Of course not. He’s pushing comprehensive immigration reform for undocumented citizens….also known as amnesty, lol.

xblade on January 29, 2013 at 8:01 PM

I don’t know what the answer here is…having millions of illegals here is a problem, and short of shipping them all back (which isn’t happening) I don’t know what you do with them. But, this “reform” doesn’t sound like the best solution, especially when there’s no way this admin will bother with the enforcement pieces.

changer1701 on January 29, 2013 at 7:40 PM

You are repeating (inadvertently?) the false dichotomy of Newt Gingrich and everyone else who says, “We can’t deport 12 million illegal aliens, THEREFORE we must make them citizens.”

Here is what to do: attrition through enforcement – look at the numbers. Attrition is by far the most popular, efficient, inexpensive, and just method (WHEN it is tried!!)

And listen to an illegal alien explain why Georgia’s strict law sent him packing, along with his family.

fred5678 on January 29, 2013 at 8:03 PM

Here is what to do: attrition through enforcement – look at the numbers. Attrition is by far the most popular, efficient, inexpensive, and just method (WHEN it is tried!!)

fred5678

Interestingly, blacks support it more than whites. Also interesting…there were 12 million illegals then. 7 years later, they’re telling us there are only 11 million, lol. These clowns will lie about anything, and useful idiots like Redford will lube up and beg for more.

xblade on January 29, 2013 at 8:11 PM

Illegal aliens already have all the emergency medical treatment they want.

Does Rubio know how much illegal aliens cost per year for just one procedure in just one hospital? $20 million.

Federal law states that hospitals cannot refuse emergency treatment to anyone. (Just that citizens pick up the tab.)

Two-part solution – thorough attrition through enforcement and an end to ALL benefits, jobs, welfare, etc. to illegal aliens; and an end to birthright citizenship.

Back in 1993 a Senate bill was introduced by a now-famous Senator that was enforcement-only, and it also ended birthright citizenship!!! See who it was here.

More here.

fred5678 on January 29, 2013 at 8:34 PM

Why on earth should we feel confident that the American people will embrace limited government-they just re-elected a socialist.I can’t believe that Limbaugh would fall for this nonsense from Rubio-who somehow has self-deluded into believing that these illegals he will be saving will grace him with their votes.What a rude awakening when it will be white conservatives who deny him the opportunity of finding out.Rubio’s association with losers like McCain and Graham will insure his defeat for the nomination.The GOP’s flirtation with amnesty will insure their quick demise as a viable political entity.

redware on January 29, 2013 at 8:35 PM

McCain was still the nominee in ’08 after pushing amnesty under Bush.

changer1701 on January 29, 2013 at 7:42 PM

McCain lost. And Romney lost alot of the white blue collar vote because they stayed home. That’s what made the difference. The base will be even less motivated if Rubio runs because he will have sold them and the country out. And he’ll lose.

TxAnn56 on January 29, 2013 at 8:42 PM

Umm.. Yeah, blacks aren’t going vote Republican. That vote has sailed. Dubya spent lots of time on civil rights.. He got less black voters than Dole. Seriously, Dubya’s pastor was a black guy, he was all about the soft bigotry of low expectations, and his main accomplishment is endon the scourge of AIDS in Africa. Latinos might. We don’t need a majority. We need about thirty five percent. If there is about seven to weight percemt of middle/working class Latinos who appreciate the fact that Rubio is part of the community… He speaks Spanish and I’m sure that we’ll all get pictures of little Amanda Rubio’s quincineria …and are appreciative of the fact that he pushed forward immigration reform then than is a good thing.

Illinidiva on January 29, 2013 at 8:53 PM

I’m sick of Rubio. There is nothing grassroots about him. He’s Jeb Bush’s lap dog. Access to Barbara Bush’s rolodex got the best of him.

He is the Obama for the gopE side of the aisle, a legend in his own mind. He can talk just like Obama, BFD!

Rush has proved himself to be a Bush Crime family mouthpiece.

I am surprised at Levin.

Ef you Rubio and the corrupt Bush horse you rode in on. Please leave the stage you’ve been dethroned for Cruz.

Did Jeb Bush’s lap dog vote to confirm Lerch today too? The word is three Republicans voted against Kerry — Texas Sens. Ted Cruz and John Cornyn and Sen. James Inhofe of Oklahoma.

I live in Florida Marco and I wouldn’t vote for you for dog catcher.

Time for this career opportunist to get a real job. He’s been living on the government dole forever. The founder’s never meant for career politicians.

This cretin is the poster child for Bannon and Schweizer’s “Boomtown.” He’s in debt and came to DC to make millions off of our backs.

Jayrae on January 29, 2013 at 8:54 PM

Umm.. Yeah, blacks aren’t going vote Republican.

Latinos might.

Illinidiva on January 29, 2013 at 8:53 PM

http://www.people-press.org/2011/12/28/little-change-in-publics-response-to-capitalism-socialism/?src=prc-number

51% of Blacks hold a negative view of capitalism.
55% of Hispanics hold a negative view of capitalism.

sharrukin on January 29, 2013 at 8:57 PM

I am confident that, given a fair chance, I can convince most Americans, including Americans of Hispanic descent, that limited government and free enterprise is better for them and better for their upward mobility than big government is. Because that’s the reason why they came here.

What about without a fair chance? You’re not that naive are you Rubio?

Elchasebo on January 29, 2013 at 8:58 PM

Here is the framework that the 8 worked up. It’s not a bill, just a framework that is subject to change.
Each of the 8 have there own ideas and I think Rubio is expressing his but that doesn’t mean any of them are not subject to change.
I know the others won’t all agree with Rubio.

http://images.politico.com/global/2013/01/28/bipartisan_framework_for_immigration_reform.html

My opinion is that nothing be done until they secure the border!!
Period.

bluefox on January 29, 2013 at 8:59 PM

Why isn’t this thread in Top Picks, so we can have 5 Rubio pics on that side? Get with it, HA. You’re slipping on the Rubio-pushing front.

ddrintn on January 29, 2013 at 6:10 PM

Are you still considering making a move to Breitbart? I registered there today.

Kataklysmic on January 29, 2013 at 6:16 PM

Yeah, I registered there last night (or was it the night before?).

ddrintn on January 29, 2013 at 9:03 PM

Jayrae on January 29, 2013 at 8:54 PM

Were you aware that Rush isn’t an elected official? Or do you just like to trash Conservatives?

bluefox on January 29, 2013 at 9:04 PM

My opinion is that nothing be done until they secure the border!!
Period.

bluefox on January 29, 2013 at 8:59 PM

Oh, and enforce the laws that are on the books now. This whole fiasco is about votes for the Dems and nothing else!

bluefox on January 29, 2013 at 9:07 PM

Why isn’t this thread in Top Picks, so we can have 5 Rubio pics on that side? Get with it, HA. You’re slipping on the Rubio-pushing front.

ddrintn on January 29, 2013 at 6:10 PM

Ask and you shall receive.

Kataklysmic on January 29, 2013 at 6:25 PM

But of course.

Rubio 2016!

terryannonline on January 29, 2013 at 6:40 PM

Rah, rah, sis boom bah!

Here we go again. Romney redux.

rrpjr on January 29, 2013 at 7:15 PM

Well, they have to get the aura of inevitability going. Just as in the case of Romney: “Look, he’s the ONLY serious candidate and the ONLY chance we have…” They’re doing it earlier now to prevent some “undesirables” from gaining traction. It was all very, very predictable. And as (I think) unseen astutely observed in another thread, the GOP will cave repeatedly in order to avoid a resurgence of the Tea Party or something similar.

I’ll tell you what: if Palin or Walker or whoever doesn’t run, I hope she and others are instrumental in blowing up the GOP so something halfway useful might emerge. I’d rather move to some other country than exist in some one-party state.

ddrintn on January 29, 2013 at 9:09 PM

Levin even had Sessions on first, who is on the front lines fighting this monstrosity.

TxAnn56 on January 29, 2013 at 7:40 PM

Sen. Sessions calls for ICE Director Morton’s resignation: ‘No comprehensive immigration reform as long as he’s the person in charge’

http://dailycaller.com/2013/01/29/sen-sessions-calls-for-ice-director-mortons-resignation-no-comprehensive-immigration-reform-as-long-as-hes-the-person-in-charge/

bluefox on January 29, 2013 at 9:10 PM

O/T I was listening to WABC out of N.Y. since Levin’s site was down.

Michael Savage just came on at 9PM! I hadn’t heard him in a long time, LOL

bluefox on January 29, 2013 at 9:12 PM

I’m ready for a third party any time. If Republicans allow amnesty to pass I think I might join Michael Savages new “nationalist” party that was linked to on Drudge…

FloatingRock on January 29, 2013 at 7:12 PM

I don’t like that. That sounds white-supremacist.

ddrintn on January 29, 2013 at 9:13 PM

Latinos might. We don’t need a majority. We need about thirty five percent.

Illinidiva

Yes, let’s destroy the country based on a might that is rejected by over 40 years of history.

Oh, by the way, Romney would have still lost if he had gotten Bush’s 40% outlier. And so will any future republican candidates who go along with this nonsense. Thank you for playing.

51% of Blacks hold a negative view of capitalism.
55% of Hispanics hold a negative view of capitalism.

sharrukin

Yeah, but SQUIRREL!

xblade on January 29, 2013 at 9:14 PM

51% of Blacks hold a negative view of capitalism.
55% of Hispanics hold a negative view of capitalism.

sharrukin

Yeah, but SQUIRREL!

xblade on January 29, 2013 at 9:14 PM

Neither of those groups have any interest in the American constitution. They want goodies from the government and vote accordingly.

sharrukin on January 29, 2013 at 9:18 PM

Michael Savage just came on at 9PM! I hadn’t heard him in a long time, LOL

bluefox on January 29, 2013 at 9:12 PM

I doubt if Savage will cave like Rush has.

Marco Rubio wins big praise from Rush Limbaugh

TxAnn56 on January 29, 2013 at 9:27 PM

It’s up to me and Fox News

What a creepy egomaniac.

What about hundreds of other conservative radio hosts, bloggers, authors, & commentators?

What about grass-roots efforts?

What difference does it make? It’s all about Rush.

itsnotaboutme on January 29, 2013 at 9:33 PM

Umm…Romney got a low level of the Latino vote but he still got a heck of a lot more than African americans. Dubya’s whole spiel was compassionate conservatism. His pastor was African American, he wanted to help inner city schools, and he spent lots of money in Africa.. Thing I love about Dubya is that he saved millions of people there.

Illinidiva on January 29, 2013 at 9:35 PM

itsnotaboutme on January 29, 2013 at 9:33 PM

I don’t care how much Rush or Levin slobber over Rubio. It may make the battle tougher, but it won’t change the minds of most who do not want amnesty no matter how much it’s dressed up.

TxAnn56 on January 29, 2013 at 9:36 PM

Umm…Romney got a low level of the Latino vote but he still got a heck of a lot more than African americans.

Illinidiva on January 29, 2013 at 9:35 PM

The “worst” Republican showings among Latinos haven’t differed much. Bob Dole got 23% of the two-party vote in 1996, which is the same as Mitt Romney in 2012. This narrow band of difference tends to follow the voting patterns of African Americans and American Jews (staple demographic groups in the American electorate) in the past 30 years. We also haven’t seen much movement among these groups – even with extensive voter outreach.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/jan/29/immigration-reform-republicans-latino-voters

By a 75% to 19% margin, Latinos are more likely to believe in a bigger government, with more services, to a smaller one.

2. Latinos are liberal

Latinos have said openly they won’t change their vote because of immigration policy. Only 31% of Latinos in the LD survey said they would be more likely to vote GOP, if the Republican party took a leadership role in immigration reform. A full 58% said they didn’t know or it would have no effect, while 11% said it would actually make them less likely to vote Republican.

So 31% say they might consider voting for the GOP if they caved on immigration and historically they haven’t done so.

sharrukin on January 29, 2013 at 9:44 PM

Rush would be wise to keep his distance from Jeb Rubio. The guy is radioactive.

james23 on January 29, 2013 at 10:28 PM

I don’t like that. That sounds white-supremacist.

ddrintn on January 29, 2013 at 9:13 PM

Buddy if you aren’t even thinking white nationalist by now you are hopelessly indoctrinated with the liberal nonsense of “we’re all equal” or you’re so scared of ‘racism’ you’re running your own thought-police department.

When the welfare money runs out the rioters will not be Republican whites, they’ll be Democrat minorities. That’s a fact, jack.

Why the hell do you think Democrats are pushing so hard for amnesty? Because the vast majority of Latinos want nothing but free stuff from their hands. They’re literally one more round away from making the unproductive classes a supermajority.

MelonCollie on January 29, 2013 at 10:32 PM

Now you guys are waking up. Limbaugh has never been a conservative and Hannity is a loon. Libertarians (pro life libertarians) are the conservatives of long ago. That’s what will save the country.

air_up_there on January 29, 2013 at 11:09 PM

“It’s really uncanny. He knows it’s a bad deal, but refuses to call Rubio out on it. This is what happens when these guys become friends with politicians.”

Absolutely right on. Sickening.

ncjetsfan on January 29, 2013 at 11:46 PM

Levin let Rubio filibuster him. So did Rush.

Embarrassing.

ncjetsfan on January 29, 2013 at 11:48 PM

11 million are already here..is that amnesty? People don’t understand it….

Redford on January 29, 2013 at 7:19 PM

Here is where this entire Rubio-Plan/Obama-Plan nonsense should be alarming to reasonably abled-thinking people:

*IF* (so we’re continually told, by Rubio, by Obama, by McCain, etc.) that “11 million people are here, we can’t do anything about that, they’re not leaving, so we have to figure out how to…”

*THEN* their vows and promises to “enforce the law” and/or “secure the border” as to “enforcement” proclamations ARE ILLOGICAL, IRRATIONAL, RIDICULOUS.

*BECAUSE* here these amnesty-types all proclaim some sort of helplessness or ineffectiveness AT ENFORCING THE LAW (“11 million here, we can’t do anything, they’re not leaving, oh, woe…”) BUT THEN THEY CLAIM THEY’LL SOMEHOW ENGAGE IN “ENFORCEMENT” AND “SECURITY” **if** we allow them to pass some variation of another amnesty.

It’s nonsensical.

First they press on about some impossibility of enforcement and border security, then they claim they’re selling us enforcement and border security CONTINGENT UPON (or, rather, “if we agree to pass amnesty, etc.”) them granting (amnesty, DREAM acts, whatever variation).

So where and how and when, specifically, is this *magic bean* (or, snake oil) D.C.politicos and other activists claim *will happen* going to happen?

If they’re helpless, unable, incompetent or otherwise discouraged about ever engaging in “enforcement” and “security” and “securing the border”,

…then howinheck are they ever going to engage in “comprehensive reform” BASED UPON SECURING THE BORDER and, otherwise, “enforcement”?

STOP BEING LED INTO A STONED STATE OF MIND BY THIS NONSENSICAL POLITICAL JIBBER-JABBER.

Lourdes on January 30, 2013 at 1:00 AM

Marco Rubio has to do this, he has to put his reasonable ideas on the table. He is new, he needs to have his position staked out.

We all know that there is no carefully written law, that can restrain the ill will of democrats who won’t enforce them. Rubio really knows that, but he has to say what he is for at this point in the game.

He is strong enough to take them on. I don’t think this bill gets passed, I think like with every other bill we try to pass, the devil will be in the details and derail it. Marco has to be out front as pro immigrant, because the other side is looking to RUIN him ahead of time.

When the Obama Administration enforces the laws that are now on the books, instead of skirting them with presidential directives, I mean, when hell freezes over, then we can go over the check list and see if it is time to fix some of the “broken” parts of our immigration law.

I would suggest that the republican House send some individual bills to the Senate, to see how they react.

Single issue bills. Border security. Deportation of criminals…they have to take their family back with them. Background checks and fingerprinting to keep Visa entrants from changing identities. A database that really works to PROTECT employers from being exploited by sneaky illegals.

Single issue legislation, and then see if Obama will enforce it.

No amendments, no pork, no waivers, no get out of jail free passes, and no question that the Administration has to prioritize funding for these efforts; And clear up the problem ICE is having enforcing the LAWS that are on the books.

I am with Rubio, if he wants a frontal assault on each thing the Administration is doing wrong. Someone will have to pay to get our side out in the airwaves, the MSM is made up of Clinton administration hacks.

Fleuries on January 30, 2013 at 10:26 AM

I am a bit perplexed how anyone could state that Rubio has been given a “pass”.

What the senator did was give a very reasoned and precise accounting of the agreement principles. He most notably said that enforcement would need to occur first and that no federal benefits would be conferred to anyone in this status. He also stated the goal was to prevent a re-occurrence of this issue.

Senator Rubio also stated is he is willing to have a conversation and attempt to negotiate an agreement on immigration and the final product would determine his vote.

That’s frankly what Mr. Rubio was elected to do- to address the problems and the de facto amnesty these illegal immigrants currently enjoy.

Bravo. Let’s have that conversation, make our case and abide by principle in order to make a final determination.

Marcus Traianus on January 30, 2013 at 10:57 AM

Rubio’s argument is but what the left does:

1)when they encourage kids to have sex, because, “They’re going to do it anyway!”

And, when they hand out clean needles to addicts, “They’re going to do it anyway.”

And when they argue for aborting innocent life. “They’re going to do it anyway” (back alleys)

Any means to an end!

Maybe someday we’ll learn that both parties have been playing Americans like a fiddle and grabbing unlimited power in the process.

Rush is short-sighted. As soon as they achieve amnesty, the supreme court won’t find that 25 year voting/citizen wait unconstitutional. I never realized how naive he could be.

What an opportunity to wake up the black community that they are about to be replaced as weapon #1 for the left. But, alas, there are no principled trustworthy leaders anymore.

Don L on January 30, 2013 at 1:10 PM

Rush and Rubio in a tree….what a pair of dipwad Rinos. No Amnesty allowed you idiot Cuban traitor! Tell Rush that he is about to get a big thumping in his ratings. I’m over the fat fluck!

el Vaquero on January 30, 2013 at 2:58 PM

This won’t go anywhere. It’s not important to keep Rubio or anyone else in the game.

We need to get back to the tanking economy, which continues to “surprise” our leaders.

virgo on January 31, 2013 at 1:06 AM

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