Rubio: We need an immigration-reform plan that recognizes reality

posted at 12:01 pm on January 28, 2013 by Ed Morrissey

Tomorrow, Barack Obama will launch his immigration-reform effort with a speech in Las Vegas.  Marco Rubio beats him to it by publishing a column in today’s Las Vegas Review-Journal explaining the bipartisan compromise that he helped to shape.  To continue to do nothing in a standoff, Rubio explains, would perpetuate the current de facto “amnesty” that has been in place for years, a fact that should worry both sides of the debate:

Both sides should want this kind of common-sense reform. To those concerned about illegal immigration, what we have now is de facto amnesty. To those looking to help the undocumented, families will continue being separated by deportations as long as politicians keep bickering and trying to outdo each other.

Mostly, though, Rubio wants to bolster support from his own side, while getting ahead of Obama and keeping the Republicans in play on the solution.  Rubio argues today that the plan represents an improvement over past proposals by forcing illegal immigrants to go to the back of the line and to provide substantial effort to remain in the country.  And that won’t come through a special process, but through a reformed immigration process that works the same for everyone:

It’s not a good idea to have millions of people permanently trapped in an immigration status that keeps them forever at a distance from our society. Therefore, once our new enforcement measures are certifiably in place, they should be allowed to apply for permanent status – not through a special pathway, but through the new and modernized legal immigration process we envision. They will have to wait behind everyone who applied before them legally. And when their turn comes up, they will have to meet the conditions of the visa they apply for.

In the past, efforts to accommodate the undocumented have failed because the enforcement measures were never implemented. That’s why this option to apply for a green card and get in the back of the line should not be made available until it is certified that significant progress has been made on enforcement of our immigration laws.

Will Rubio’s popularity with Tea Party Republicans help to quell opposition to bipartisan reform?  Matt Lewis notes that Rubio’s involvement forced the other members of the Gang of Eight to move to the right on border enforcement and visa reform, but that the test will be whether Republicans will accept a compromise that moves this issue off the table:

It’s one thing for Republicans to say they want to reform immigration policy, but the real test will be how they respond to the notion that a deal might actually pass.

Some will likely conclude that any bipartisan deal means our side is being “played.” This, of course, is a catch-22 — sort of like Groucho Marx’s line about not wanting to belong to any club that would accept him as a member.

No one likes having to cut deals, but voters in their less-than-infinite wisdom brought back split government to Washington, and that’s the only way that we will resolve this issue with any conservative input over the next four years.  We’ll see if the GOP puts its “prudence” strategy to work in this case, or lets Rubio twist in the wind.

Addendum: Senator Rubio will join me on today’s Ed Morrissey Show at 4 ET.


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Rubio: I want to be president, and I don’t care how I get there, because it’s my turn.

Pork-Chop on January 28, 2013 at 12:03 PM

To those concerned about illegal immigration, what we have now is de facto amnesty

Nope… they can’t vote yet.

Is the GOP really going to roll over for this? If there is nothing with regard to Plyler v Doe in this bill then it’s worthless.

Our ancestors screwed up not picking their own cotton… now we’re screwing up not picking our own vegetables.

ninjapirate on January 28, 2013 at 12:05 PM

It’s not a good idea to have millions of people permanently trapped in an immigration status that keeps them forever at a distance from our society.

Rubio is right. It is time to figure out how to send these folks back to their legal homeland and set up a guest worker program. Face it, the individuals who we are talking about are not college-educated workers in the tech industry. Why are we bending over backwards to give them some version of amnesty when they are essentially manual laborers and/or agents of Mexican drug cartels? What do they bring to better our society?

Happy Nomad on January 28, 2013 at 12:07 PM

Reality : If any other country had 12 million people cross their border with intent to stay indefinitely and steal from the inhabitants, they would have called it an illegal invasion and declared war.

LoganSix on January 28, 2013 at 12:07 PM

Addendum: Senator Rubio will join me on today’s Ed Morrissey Show at 4 ET.

With all due respect, Rubio is an idiot. We do not need immigration reform, it will do nothing. Immigration reform is exactly the same as adding more gun laws. if the criminals won’t obey the 2000 plus gun laws already on the books, why would they obey any new gun laws. Well the same is 100 percent true of Immigration laws.

What we need is to arrest the mayors and governors of every city and state that have declared themselves sanctuary cities or states. IF we actually enforced the laws we already have on the books we wouldn’t have an immigration problem.

SWalker on January 28, 2013 at 12:07 PM

college-educated workers in the tech industry. Why are we bending over backwards?

Happy Nomad on January 28, 2013 at 12:07 PM

Don’t fool yourself. Bill Gates is lying. We don’t need any more H1-b visas either.

LoganSix on January 28, 2013 at 12:09 PM

ninjapirate on January 28, 2013 at 12:05 PM

Heartbreaking to think that my Dad and his 3 brothers all fought in WWII for absolutely nothing. I have a message for Mr. Rubio from flyover country, but it screams “ban me”, so I’ll bite my tongue for now.

P.S. People, burn up the phone lines. Now.

TxAnn56 on January 28, 2013 at 12:09 PM

Ted Cruz may become the anti-Rubio on this issue:

“Could One of the Senate’s Few Hispanics Lead the GOP Push Against Immigration?

As a group of conservative GOP lawmakers and activists gathered this week behind closed doors to talk strategy ahead of the coming immigration battle with President Obama, one intriguing face was in the crowd: Sen. Ted Cruz of Texas.”

http://www.nationaljournal.com/congress/could-one-of-the-senate-s-few-hispanics-lead-the-gop-push-against-immigration-20130125

Jon0815 on January 28, 2013 at 12:09 PM

Rubio wants to give the Democrats 30 million new voters and blow up the economy by dumping them all on welfare, and he has the nerve to lecture us about “reality?”

The “reality” is we can’t pay for them, and we will never be able to make up the voting shortfall if we legalize them. But as Pork Chop said, Rubio really wants to be president and imagines this is the way to do it.

Doomberg on January 28, 2013 at 12:10 PM

The Great Latino Hope!

HerneTheHunter on January 28, 2013 at 12:11 PM

BTW, there has been nothing more damaging to the long term sustainability of the United State’s as a political unit than industrial agriculture’s “need” for cheap labor.

There was no slavery accross the appalachian mountains when the US was founded… and the US civil war was pretty much over the Southern elite’s greed to futher extend slavery to the Pacific Ocean.

This whole process is playing out again.

(BTW, I grew up on a small farm and worked along side Mexicans detasselling corn for Monsanto)

ninjapirate on January 28, 2013 at 12:12 PM

1. This “you can not send 11 million illegals home is pure bull shit from bull shitters aks liberals and RINO’s.

2. Two Party Evil Money Cult in Washington D.C..

3. We here in Texas are calling Ted Cruz and putting him on notice.

4. We here in Texas have John “RINO” Cornyn on our list of the next un-elected one from Texas.

5. Fight now for your Constitution, your liberty, your jobs, your income, your very lives (decendants lives) or you (they) will be out numbered, out gunned, out voted, and you or (they) will meet others later at a front door and there will be that last fight, fact is it will be more of an execution.

6. We, the Americans have become the New Apache, and they come now for our gold, our land , our freedom and as prior some of our on tribes act now as scouts for others and they lead the evil one to our back doors and let them in for the 30 coins of Judas payment.

7. Vote slaves for Democrats, wage slaves for Republican elites, one way or the other it is a coming slave condition for many.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on January 28, 2013 at 12:12 PM

Ted Cruz may become the anti-Rubio on this issue:

Jon0815 on January 28, 2013 at 12:09 PM

That’s yet to be seen. I called every one of his offices today and got the same non-committal answer that he has to see what’s in it. That doesn’t bode well for someone who campaigned on no amnesty. My House rep was an unequivocal no way no how.

TxAnn56 on January 28, 2013 at 12:12 PM

Reality: welcome 15 to 20 million Democrat voters and bye to TX as it turns blue in so many years, then it truly will be over

journeymike on January 28, 2013 at 12:13 PM

Marco, Marco, Marco. You’re asking people who would and did sit home last election because their purity test wasn’t met to “recognize reality”. You crack me up. Just carry on because they’re going to bitch, piss, and moan and sit out the NEXT election, too.

Marcus on January 28, 2013 at 12:13 PM

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canopfor on January 28, 2013 at 12:14 PM

LoganSix on January 28, 2013 at 12:07 PM

Whole heartedly agree. As a Canadian, I find it inconceivable that this hasn’t been dealt with as a high priority.

I feel for ya.

can_con on January 28, 2013 at 12:14 PM

Reality: welcome 15 to 20 million Democrat voters and bye to TX as it turns blue in so many years, then it truly will be over

journeymike on January 28, 2013 at 12:13 PM

I can see Dem super majorities and gun confiscation from my house.

TxAnn56 on January 28, 2013 at 12:15 PM

Rubio: We need an immigration-reform plan that recognizes reality

No, we need fearless politicians who can fight the Left. That’s “the reality.” Figure it out, hotshot.

rrpjr on January 28, 2013 at 12:15 PM

Rubio: We need an immigration-reform plan that recognizes reality

…reality is…a lot of prisons are over crowded…let’s let out ALL the non-violent law-breakers…give them a “path to probation”…

KOOLAID2 on January 28, 2013 at 12:16 PM

“We need an immigration plan that destroys the Republican Party.”

WordsMatter on January 28, 2013 at 12:16 PM

Reality.
Illegal immigrants come here for a better life than they can get back home.
Illegal immigrants will leave here if we do not offer them a better life than they can get back home.
As evidenced by the recession, illegal immigrants can self deport in large numbers if their lives here become burdensome to themselves.

Reality says, in order to fix our immigration problem the following should be done.

1) work place enforcement of current laws. Put the people in jail who hire illegals.
2) Extend that jail time to people who hire day laborers that are illegally in the nation. It is very simple to check if they are legal, they either will have a proper US ID or an Immigration Visa on their person. No papers, not hire or go to prison!
3) End illegal alien children being in schools.
4) End illegal alien access to free health care. If the provider does not get proof of citizenship or residence, then they are liable for the care and will not be reimbursed.
5) End illegal alien (for that matter all legal ones too) access to any and all welfare. Put penalties on government employees that give benefits to said illegal aliens.
6) Lastly, make it known that once caught in America illegally, the person will be deported, and will be barred any future entry to the United States and if they are ever again found in the nation, they shall be placed in a hard labor tent prison camp for life. If they do not work hard enough to provide for themselves in said labor camp, they shall then be executed.

astonerii on January 28, 2013 at 12:18 PM

…2016 has not even started!…and Rube already is off my list…along with the guy who announced to the world…I belong to the ‘stupid party’…

KOOLAID2 on January 28, 2013 at 12:19 PM

Secure the boarder first !
Then we’ll talk .

Lucano on January 28, 2013 at 12:19 PM

Gee, Bush got nearly half of the Hispanic vote in Texas and there’s worry the Republicans will lose that UNLESS we continue the “send all them mexicans home” mantra. Which of course is so popular with Hispanic Texans voting Republican.

Some of you bigots are un-real. Thank God for Governor Perry and Senators Rubio and Cruz. Might give us a chance in 2014 and 2016 from the Troglodyte wing.

Marcus on January 28, 2013 at 12:19 PM

People actually imagined that Rubio was conservative LONG LONG LONG before he ever accomplished anything.

I am getting so sick and tired of all your people’s ignorant moronic stupid pathetic and downright destructive need to have a hero in your lives.

astonerii on January 28, 2013 at 12:20 PM

I’m a pragmatic person and realize that this is a club being used against the Right even though the Left is equally culpable. I will be interested in the final product and it implementation, those are always good for some entertainment value.

Cindy Munford on January 28, 2013 at 12:20 PM

Don’t fool yourself. Bill Gates is lying. We don’t need any more H1-b visas either.
LoganSix on January 28, 2013 at 12:09 PM

You do if you’re a giant software company looking for a very cheap source of programmers.

tommyboy on January 28, 2013 at 12:20 PM

Ed, ask Rubio how they plan to not become obsolete once they legalize a voting blog k that will vote over 75% for the democrats disguised as Santa Claus.

Also, will they put in there a date certain that after that point if you come here illegally, you will never be able to be a citizen?

And why do we have to give the current illegals a path to citizenship? Why not create a kind of visa saying you either entered here illegally or overstayed your legal entry – while we won’t deport you since you have been here so long, the visa we issue to you can never be converted to citizenship and you can’t get taxpayer subsidies of any kind.

karenhasfreedom on January 28, 2013 at 12:20 PM

Why should foreigners who intentionally break U.S. law EVER be allowed to vote in any U.S. election? I like Rubio, but he loses me on this every time because it is just dead wrong and offensive. Get rid of the citizenship BS, and I bet support will increase.

CantCureStupid on January 28, 2013 at 12:21 PM

REALITY: the 20+ MILLION ILLEGALS violated US immigration laws. Traitors like Rubio now want to give them a free pass, like they have SQUATTERS” RIGHTS!!!!! The ONLY reasonable and rational solution is to DEPORT THEM.

TeaPartyNation on January 28, 2013 at 12:23 PM

What we have now is worse than de facto amnesty.

besser tot als rot on January 28, 2013 at 12:23 PM

Its a done deal. Its over. You can burn up the phone lines all you want, but this is bipartisan, and will pass DC. After the GE, I was one of the first to comment that immigration reform was now inevitable. I was mocked severely. Well, here it is.

tommy71 on January 28, 2013 at 12:23 PM

Reality.
Comprehensive.
Normalcy.

Gotta love them buzz words.

TimBuk3 on January 28, 2013 at 12:24 PM

1) The first requirement is ‘better border security’; problem is, the requirement is for more ‘resources’ (tax money- actually deficit spending), NOT for RESULTS. More spending does not equal results, as our education system has proved for decades. Heck, they could spend the ‘resources’ on more signs warning U.S. citizens to stay away from the area.
2) Legalized status for illegal workers here will translate into a massive loss of their jobs, dumping many into the entitlement system. Because one of the primary requirements of the employment is that they ARE ILLEGAL, and therefore devoid of the expense of workman’s comp, insurance, withholding taxes, safety regulations and hundred of other rules that massively drive up the cost of an employee. Your lawn service Luis will come to you and tell you the cost of doing your lawn will have to go up to $40, instead of $25. When he loses enough clients, Luis becomes our newest welfare recipient, a net LOSS to the taxpayers.
3) NEW illegal immigrants will flood across the border to take these lost jobs, not impeded in the least by new ‘resources’ on the border. The new guy Juan will come to your door and offer to do the yard for $25 as before.

The result: more deficit spending, more welfare cases, and another wave of illegal immigrants, with that situations every bit as bad as before.

BTW: Obamacare’s massive health insurance costs and fines will encourage even MORE use of illegal immigrant labor to avoid those costs- not those that are legalized. NEW illegal immigrants.

michaelo on January 28, 2013 at 12:24 PM

Gee, Bush got nearly half of the Hispanic vote in Texas and there’s worry the Republicans will lose that UNLESS we continue the “send all them mexicans home” mantra. Which of course is so popular with Hispanic Texans voting Republican.

Some of you bigots are un-real. Thank God for Governor Perry and Senators Rubio and Cruz. Might give us a chance in 2014 and 2016 from the Troglodyte wing.

Marcus on January 28, 2013 at 12:19 PM

Do you honestly think their plan will work?

ninjapirate on January 28, 2013 at 12:24 PM

Fortunately, border enforcement will be a top priority in the legislation.:)

a capella on January 28, 2013 at 12:24 PM

If we had started a full scale deportation program back the Bush Administration as many wanted, we’d be pretty close to being done right now.

“Can’t deport every illegal alien”

Oh yes we can.

BobMbx on January 28, 2013 at 12:25 PM

To those looking to help the undocumented, families will continue being separated by deportations as long as politicians keep bickering and trying to outdo each other.

I’m sorry, but why do we allow this? Send the entire family back.

If a legal citizen left their child at home for more than a second, some bleeding heart liberal would have social services in the house to take the child before the ink dries.

Where is the outrage from the left about these parents choosing to leave their children in this country when they are sent home?

LoganSix on January 28, 2013 at 12:26 PM

All and any ‘teeth’ in the Republican bill will be stripped.

We’ll get another amnesty and the Democrats will register a few more tens of millions of votes.

catmman on January 28, 2013 at 12:26 PM

We’ll see if the GOP puts its “prudence” strategy to work in this case, or lets Rubio twist in the wind.

door #2 monty

cmsinaz on January 28, 2013 at 12:27 PM

Rubio? LOL

Mr. Arrogant on January 28, 2013 at 12:27 PM

The ONLY reasonable and rational solution is to DEPORT THEM.

TeaPartyNation on January 28, 2013 at 12:23 PM

KILL THEM!!! Take that mexican mother from those three screaming babies and shoot her right between the eyes. Save deportation time and money and space. 20 million is a lot. We got a train that big? Man that’s gonna be a lot of mexican wailing we’re going to have to put up with, yep, just shoot em first sight. 20 million we got to deport? Damn, that might take 2 or 3 weeks!

Marcus on January 28, 2013 at 12:30 PM

I have a question for you conservative and republican voters…

Look at your country now. How in the hell do you justify your Patriotism now? How in the hell would you justify your support of the military? How in the hell would just justify voting for the GOP? How in the hell do you justify free market orthodoxy?

I could go on and on…

ninjapirate on January 28, 2013 at 12:30 PM

Its a done deal. Its over. You can burn up the phone lines all you want, but this is bipartisan, and will pass DC. After the GE, I was one of the first to comment that immigration reform was now inevitable. I was mocked severely. Well, here it is.

tommy71 on January 28, 2013 at 12:23 PM

Burn up the phone lines ? You can’t even get through !
PS
I ever mocked you …. I agreed .

Lucano on January 28, 2013 at 12:31 PM

Some of you bigots are un-real.

Marcus on January 28, 2013 at 12:19 PM

F*ck off. You can’t point to one bigoted comment. It’s the truth of the total political analysis and its implications to civil society you can’t abide or handle.

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canopfor on January 28, 2013 at 12:32 PM

Gee, Bush got nearly half of the Hispanic vote in Texas and there’s worry the Republicans will lose that UNLESS we continue the “send all them mexicans home” mantra. Which of course is so popular with Hispanic Texans voting Republican.

Some of you bigots are un-real. Thank God for Governor Perry and Senators Rubio and Cruz. Might give us a chance in 2014 and 2016 from the Troglodyte wing.

Marcus on January 28, 2013 at 12:19 PM

Will Cruz be a “bigot” and “Troglodyte” if he ends up voting against Rubio’s amnesty (which he probably will)?

And get back to me when Perry or any other GOP Hispanderer actually wins a majority of the Hispanic vote. Which eventually they will have to do to prevent Texas from turning blue, and which they have never done, despite Texas Hispanics being less liberal than Hispanics generally.

Jon0815 on January 28, 2013 at 12:32 PM

Ninja, I can justify all your quests, but its an awfully huge list. If you take it part by part, no problemo with me.

tommy71 on January 28, 2013 at 12:33 PM

No one will ever be good enough for you guys. No one who can be elected anyway. Learn this and get over it. We aren’t going to send everyone home and build a fence to keep them out.

We have to gain control. If we have to take a step or two back I’m willing to do it.

You don’t win without power.

tomas on January 28, 2013 at 12:35 PM

The only reality should be to get supposedly birth right citizenship before the Supreme Court.

Millions of invalid votes are the issue.

The notion that your mother could give birth on an airplane over Florida on its way to Mexico and you’re automatically able to chain migrate your entire family into our welfare cradle, is remarkably insane.

Speakup on January 28, 2013 at 12:35 PM

Some of you bigots are un-real. Thank God for Governor Perry and Senators Rubio and Cruz. Might give us a chance in 2014 and 2016 from the Troglodyte wing.

Marcus on January 28, 2013 at 12:19 PM

Well YEAH, because we’re all whiteys who only want to send Mexican illegals home, and only because of their brown skin.

Bishop on January 28, 2013 at 12:35 PM

And I’m sure the deal with do nothing for the current victims of illegal immigrant-driven identity theft (many of whom are children). Screw you, corporate welfare GOP.

Best of all, they won’t get a lick more of the vote they are attempting to buy. Pathetic.

batter on January 28, 2013 at 12:36 PM

Eleven million new Democrat voters? Awesome!

/

Ward Cleaver on January 28, 2013 at 12:36 PM

So, these R’s in the Senate are working this as important.

Yet this very hour ,, what $16 Trillion debt set to go to $20 Trillion and upward.

Current intrest payment on the $16 Trillion (U.S. very short term treauarys)at historic low intrest rates of 3%, =’s $480 Billionn per year.

Yet, if intrest rates go a bit higher say 5% =’s (on the $20 Trillion) =’s $1 trillion per year.

Yet, if intrest rates go higher when the lenders (China etal) lose faith in the U.S.’s abilty to pay and the rate goes to say 8% =’s $1.8 trillion (possible higher) per year.

And all this bunch of liar frauds can find to do is shooting the current U.S. citizens in the back.

spit

APACHEWHOKNOWS on January 28, 2013 at 12:37 PM

Rubio we need a Republican party that acknowledges MATH!

If adding 30 million aliens on a whim is a good idea than abolsihing INS is an awesome one.

You cannot make a single argument that the Republic is better served by allowing mexico to dump its poor in here en mass while we have stupid economic laws that does not support abolishing INS.

“They need to speak English?’

Yeah that is why “press 1 for spanish” is cropping up more and more here and “English” is number two….

History is gonna laugh at Pan-Anglia’s mad desire to blow its own brains out.

harlekwin15 on January 28, 2013 at 12:37 PM

20 quotes on immigration reform

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canopfor on January 28, 2013 at 12:38 PM

I have a question for you conservative and republican voters…

ninjapirate on January 28, 2013 at 12:30 PM

You’re posting in the wrong blog.

Mr. Arrogant on January 28, 2013 at 12:38 PM

The ONLY reasonable and rational solution is to DEPORT THEM.

TeaPartyNation on January 28, 2013 at 12:23 PM

KILL THEM!!! Take that mexican mother from those three screaming babies and shoot her right between the eyes. Save deportation time and money and space. 20 million is a lot. We got a train that big? Man that’s gonna be a lot of mexican wailing we’re going to have to put up with, yep, just shoot em first sight. 20 million we got to deport? Damn, that might take 2 or 3 weeks!

Marcus on January 28, 2013 at 12:30 PM

O_O

Jeebus…talk about channeling your inner liberal. Dial it back a notch, seriously.

Bishop on January 28, 2013 at 12:38 PM

No one will ever be good enough for you guys. No one who can be elected anyway. Learn this and get over it. We aren’t going to send everyone home and build a fence to keep them out.

We have to gain control. If we have to take a step or two back I’m willing to do it.

You don’t win without power.

tomas on January 28, 2013 at 12:35 PM

We don’t even win when we are in power. The whole game is rigged.

ninjapirate on January 28, 2013 at 12:38 PM

Addendum: Senator Rubio will join me on today’s Ed Morrissey Show at 4 ET.

I guess an interview on the Ed Morrissey Show is Rubio’s victory lap for amnesty. Looks like Rubio got Levin on board and Fox News cleared earlier. I’ll be curious to find out what Rush says about amnesty today. If he’s also on board, then it’s a done deal.

sauldalinsky on January 28, 2013 at 12:38 PM

Man that’s gonna be a lot of mexican wailing we’re going to have to put up with, yep, just shoot em first sight. 20 million we got to deport? Damn, that might take 2 or 3 weeks!

Marcus on January 28, 2013 at 12:30 PM

Ever hear of Operation Wet…back? Took place in 1954.

Deported 1 million illegal aliens from the Southwest America in about two months.

So, yes, it can be done.

sentinelrules on January 28, 2013 at 12:40 PM

This is a serious issue so I think we should address it using the Bark Doctrine.

My regime’s solution involves drone strikes in concert with DevGru (if they can take a break from making awful movies and writing even worse books).

CorporatePiggy on January 28, 2013 at 12:41 PM

Rubio: We need an immigration-reform plan that recognizes reality

How about recognizing sovereignty and law, you despicable POS?

Rubio, FOAD.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on January 28, 2013 at 12:42 PM

Gee, I wonder if this bill will rival Obamacare in size and complexity and if we’ll have to pass it before we can know what’s in it?

Dusty on January 28, 2013 at 12:42 PM

I have a question for those who want the GOP to give in on amnesty so that we can regain the presidency.

OK, once “we” win the presidency again, what would “we” do? The only answer I can think of anymore is SCOTUS nominees but I don’t care about that anymore either.

Do you people just want to “win” for “winnings” sake even you have have to take positions where the people who vote for you lose out?

ninjapirate on January 28, 2013 at 12:42 PM

I’m not so sure Rubio guy is much of an improvement over ol’ Charlie Crist, bless his little orange-colored soul. If I ever need a Bush with a tan, I’ll rather buy my wife a tanning-salon pass.

Archivarix on January 28, 2013 at 12:44 PM

We need Rubio to STFU and stop his cooperation with Progressives. Or drop his charade.

rayra on January 28, 2013 at 12:44 PM

Obama has created a culture of the need in 4 short years. We can create a culture of laws and self-sufficiency IF we have power.

tomas on January 28, 2013 at 12:45 PM

Can I go out and break into someone’s house and receive amnesty, too?

kingsjester on January 28, 2013 at 12:46 PM

ninja, ‘give in on amnesty?’. Where did that come from? This was a bipartisan deal, dude. Both the pubs and dems decided that this was the way forward. No giving in at all. Just as I predicted.

tommy71 on January 28, 2013 at 12:47 PM

O_O

Jeebus…talk about channeling your inner liberal. Dial it back a notch, seriously.

Bishop on January 28, 2013 at 12:38 PM

Bishop:

Oh boy,that kind of talk,(Marcus at 12:30PM)is going to bring a
2000LB JDAM,from a XR-47B,Ban-Hammer AirStrike!:)

Oh,and a Mexican Holocaut train,good grief!

canopfor on January 28, 2013 at 12:47 PM

Ed, ask him why Citizenship needs to be tied to illegal aliens? Can’t they just get a work visa, no citizenship, no entitlements but a limited privilege to work for 10 years, then they can reapply for a work visa. Also, get ride of the “Squat and Drop Citizenship”, reaffirm that birthright citizenship comes only from Legal Residents!

rgranger on January 28, 2013 at 12:47 PM

I say, what’s the hurry? In another six months, the current Venezuelan regime won’t be able to hide Chavez’s state of health. Without Venezuelan money, the Cubans will be left with narco money for their ambitions to keep fighting the Cold War. Illegal monies are easier to interdict on their way to rebels, and easier to keep out of political campaigns. Without funds for FARCs and Obrador campaigns, foreign investment may make the job market down south better for unskilled Spanish-speakers than here. Why have amnesty to keep them here?

Sekhmet on January 28, 2013 at 12:49 PM

Why don’t these spineless politicians who swore an oath to uphold the laws and defend the nation do their sworn duty first?

If they won’t enforce the laws we already have, adding more laws is meaningless bullsh!t.

profitsbeard on January 28, 2013 at 12:49 PM

Marcus on January 28, 2013 at 12:30 PM

Gee, you don’t think you might be overreacting at touch there do you? Obama tricks don’t work here.

Cindy Munford on January 28, 2013 at 12:50 PM

I guess an interview on the Ed Morrissey Show is Rubio’s victory lap for amnesty. Looks like Rubio got Levin on board and Fox News cleared earlier. I’ll be curious to find out what Rush says about amnesty today. If he’s also on board, then it’s a done deal.

sauldalinsky on January 28, 2013 at 12:38 PM

Fox is taking their marching orders from Murdoch, who loves amnesty. Hannity’s show also lost 50% of its viewers and I bet it had something to do with his “evolution” on amnesty.

TxAnn56 on January 28, 2013 at 12:51 PM

Whole heartedly agree. As a Canadian, I find it inconceivable that this hasn’t been dealt with as a high priority.

I feel for ya.

can_con on January 28, 2013 at 12:14 PM

Canadian immigration policy is more sane, I am seriously considering moving there warts and all to try to earn an honest living on the prairies.

If things fall apart here too hard and the US govt gets too out of control you’ll know what we feel like soon, without the “spanish.”

I’ve lived in Alberta, and I like the idea of a more Conservtive Canada.

harlekwin15 on January 28, 2013 at 12:51 PM

This is funny. I’m pretty sure that the only reason Obama is pushing gun control legislation that will never get passed is to make Republicans in general look like deranged maniacs who rather see dead children than gun show background checks.

Now it turns out that Rubio is a Democratic mole, introducing perfectly reasonable, bipartisan immigration reform and making the Republicans again look like dangerous extremists.

Please, guys, get outraged, talk more about how Hispanics are shiftless, welfare-stealing criminals and make opposition to the bill that emerges a litmus test for the ’16 nominee. You could guarantee us the White House for a generation.

I wonder how many U.S. citizen anchor babies reach voting age every year.

urban elitist on January 28, 2013 at 12:51 PM

here’s some more “reality” for our RINO leadership:

– Latinos believe in social welfare and big govt. That’s just their culture. They will vote leftist forever, whether we pander to them or not. Ask Reagan how that worked out

– Giving 15 million illegals the right to vote, which means 70% casting ballots against you for generations, is political suicide. It’s the end of the Republican party, the end of conservatism, and the end of the Republic

– Giving 15 million illegals access to Medicaid, Welfare, SS, food stamps, etc will destroy our country within just a few years.

Here’s your “reality”. Ted Cruz only got ~40% of the Latino vote in Texas of all places, where Latinos are less liberal than the West coast even

thurman on January 28, 2013 at 12:51 PM

[ThePrimordialOrderedPair on January 28, 2013 at 12:42 PM]

His bill doesn’t recognize reality. It ignores reality for another 10 to 20 years.

The reality is there are few, if any, laws Congress passes that addresses the promises made about it. At this point Congress is nothing more than a huge money distributing machine, enriching the favored at the expense of everyone else, and that constantly encroaches on the freedoms of it’s citizens, to the point that it basically makes every man a criminal who the government can then prosecute at it’s pleasure.

Dusty on January 28, 2013 at 12:52 PM

Marcus on January 28, 2013 at 12:19 PM

Let’s see how compassionate you are. I’m serious about this. If you care so much, go to the ID dealers and offer up your identity for them to sell to illegal immigrants who want work instead of using my childrens’ or somebody else’s identity.

Will you do so? Or is it easier to stick your head in the sand and pretend the victims do not exist? Quit your on-sided compassion schtick.

batter on January 28, 2013 at 12:52 PM

Our immigration laws have been ignored since the Amnesty of 1986! That was to be a ONE-TIME_AMNESTY! I hope everyone notices who some of the enablers are….like the press, the entire television media, including FOX…they all refer to the Illegal Aliens as, Illegal Immigrants!
If this problem were just about people seeking a better life, we would have allowed them to stay, legally! No, this is about votes and who can garner the most from this crop of lawbreakers!
People should read what George Washington and James Madison said about immigration and “assimilation!” those ideas are what led to our country becoming the great nation it was……a true melting pot, not a Euro-model multicultural dysfunctional morass!
The usual suspects of Senator’s McCain and Graham are now joined by Rubio and some other patsy Republican.

tomshup on January 28, 2013 at 12:53 PM

Notice the ad hominems, emotional outbursts, fear-mongering, diversions and strawmen at the very mention of solving the immigration issue.

Why don’t we proceed based on facts and known qualities of the proposal?

Is it better to leave things as they are- for anyone? How about we make one-sided proposals which solve nothing and never have a chance at passing?

Honestly, we are better than that folks. Let’s negotiate the best solution possible.

Marcus Traianus on January 28, 2013 at 12:55 PM

Please, guys, get outraged, talk more about how Hispanics are shiftless, welfare-stealing criminals and make opposition to the bill that emerges a litmus test for the ’16 nominee. You could guarantee us the White House for a generation.

I wonder how many U.S. citizen anchor babies reach voting age every year.

urban elitist on January 28, 2013 at 12:51 PM

So the basis of liberals winning is not ideology or ideas, but that a certain demographic (Latinos) breed like rabbits because the Catholic Church forbids birth control.

Brilliant strategy.

sentinelrules on January 28, 2013 at 12:55 PM

Illegals have good marketing. You see the one yung guy working hard, but you don’t see his entire extended family getting welfare.

Mormontheman on January 28, 2013 at 12:56 PM

urban elitist on January 28, 2013 at 12:51 PM

Go back to Daily Koz, or better yet FOAD troll. I bet you were offering the same “advice” after the Arizona SB 1070.

sauldalinsky on January 28, 2013 at 12:57 PM

Rubio wants to give the Democrats 30 million new voters and blow up the economy by dumping them all on welfare, and he has the nerve to lecture us about “reality?”

Doomberg on January 28, 2013 at 12:10 PM

It pains me to say this, but you’re right. Creating 12 million new Democratic voters in places like Texas, Florida, Colorado, and the Carolinas makes it nearly impossible for the GOP to win another national election. Doing so amounts to a suicide pact.

The only plan that made any sense was the Bush plan in 2007, which did not create a path to citizenship but only allowed for a “guest worker program” coupled with an easy, instant verification system and heightened penalties for employers who hire illegals. Bush understood that once you leveled the playing field between immigrant and U.S. labor (by taking away the illegal immigrant black market), the demand for migrant labor would drop and illegal immigrants would return home. But, his messaging on the immigration bill was “hopeful” and “positive,” sending Hispanics the message that the GOP didn’t hate them. It was perfect.

Outlander on January 28, 2013 at 12:57 PM

I have a fantastic solution for all immigration problems. Kill the welfare – every flaming program in it, from S-CHIP to EBT to Obamaphones to EIC to everything else. Then let everyone who wants in, except for known security threats, enter the country and apply.

Archivarix on January 28, 2013 at 12:57 PM

Can I go out and break into someone’s house and receive amnesty, too?

kingsjester on January 28, 2013 at 12:46 PM

Even better than amnesty, you get to keep all the stuff you manage to steal and obtain legal rights to stay in the house (along with a path to having your name put on the title!).

But, you’ll be one of the last 30 million to be allowed such …

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on January 28, 2013 at 12:58 PM

I’ve lived in Alberta, and I like the idea of a more Conservtive Canada.

harlekwin15 on January 28, 2013 at 12:51 PM

You are more than welcome to come up here and give it a 2nd go.

At a minimum, never hurts to start buying our Dollar!

can_con on January 28, 2013 at 1:00 PM

Victory is political reality and until you control that you do them best you can to get it.

You just have to sell it correctly. Right now we let the dems paint us as extremists and we are right now as far as most see it. That is harsh I know, but if you get control you can enforce those laws.

If you don’t crack down on businesses who hire them it doesn’t matter. No republican has really been willing to do that.

tomas on January 28, 2013 at 1:01 PM

Illegals have good marketing. You see the one yung guy working hard, but you don’t see his entire extended family getting welfare.

Mormontheman on January 28, 2013 at 12:56 PM

Yep. Could you imagine what this country would look like if all the European immigrants at the turn of the 20th Century would have been eligible for all the welfare programs that today’s immigrants are? We would have become a third-world country by WWII!

Outlander on January 28, 2013 at 1:01 PM

Bigot ? No .
Law abiding citizen ? Yes .

Lucano on January 28, 2013 at 1:02 PM

Ed, pleeeeease ask Senator Rubio why he is supporting the leftist canard that the only two options are citizenship or deportation. That is a total crock. Ask him if he realizes that a path to legal residence (NOT CITIZENSHIP) kills the “Deport Granny” narrative while not rewarding intentional lawbreakers with the privilege of U.S. citizenship, which is what most law abiding citizens find so offensive about this debate. I would love to hear his response.

CantCureStupid on January 28, 2013 at 1:02 PM

Please, guys, get outraged, talk more about how Hispanics are shiftless, welfare-stealing criminals and make opposition to the bill that emerges a litmus test for the ’16 nominee. You could guarantee us the White House for a generation.

I wonder how many U.S. citizen anchor babies reach voting age every year.

urban elitist on January 28, 2013 at 12:51 PM

So the basis of liberals winning is not ideology or ideas, but that a certain demographic (Latinos) breed like rabbits because the Catholic Church forbids birth control.

Brilliant strategy.

sentinelrules on January 28, 2013 at 12:55 PM

That’s the kind of thing I want to hear more of: frankly racist comments that make fun of Hispanics’ religion, too (I thought you conservatives were all with the Pope on the birth control thing).

We do indeed have ideas, like tolerance and compassion, and the belief that the United States should be a land of opportunity even for poor people with brown skins. We also have politics, and if our ideology attracts key demographic groups, it’s a win-win.

urban elitist on January 28, 2013 at 1:03 PM

We have to get what we can get. We don’t need huge majorities, just enough.

tomas on January 28, 2013 at 1:03 PM

You can whine all you want, but its a done deal. If its bipartisan, it’ll pass DC. I look at the future. We don’t want the hispanics to go the way of the blacks. Its time to broaden the tent. Wonder why GWB got much more hispanic votes than McCain and Romney? Cos he was perceived as a SoCon. Our next Preezy nominee should be a fusion of fisc con, socon and defense con. But I see none on the horizon, which would probably mean a loss, again.

tommy71 on January 28, 2013 at 1:03 PM

You are more than welcome to come up here and give it a 2nd go.

At a minimum, never hurts to start buying our Dollar!

can_con on January 28, 2013 at 1:00 PM

I’m 40, I took the wife to Montreal 18 years ago on our honeymoon. The USD was worth 1.43 Canadian. Amazing what printing press economics does for a nation.

My grandfather had Canadian holdings but never took citizenship, and I lived with him on a ranch up north. He warned me that if the United States ever finished its evolution to LBJ’s soft marxist state to find a Socialist state where you liked the scenery. If I go back I will try to become a citizen and renounce my US citizenship and pay the spare taxes for ten years I guess.

At least Canadians grasp that the super state has bills to pay and uses its resources to do so.

All respect,
H

harlekwin15 on January 28, 2013 at 1:04 PM

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