Report: Boy Scouts may drop ban on gay scouts, scout leaders
posted at 5:44 pm on January 28, 2013 by Allahpundit
A case study in why (most) gay-marriage supporters won’t despair even if SCOTUS ends up upholding Prop 8 this year: Over time, cultural change will help them achieve what courts can’t or won’t. The Scouts won an epic Supreme Court discrimination case in 2000 protecting their right as a private organization to exclude members based on orientation. A little more than a decade later, they may be ready to jettison the ban and let the local sponsors and parents involved with individual Scout units decide whether gays should be admitted. (Call it the “federalist approach.”) How come? Pressure, from both within and without. But mostly without:
Two corporate CEOs on BSA’s national board, Randall Stephenson of AT&T and James Turley of Ernst & Young, have also said they would work to end the ban. Stephenson is next in line to be the BSA’s national chairman. During the 2012 presidential campaign, both Barack Obama and Mitt Romney said the BSA should admit gay scouts and scout leaders.
About 50 local United Way groups and several corporations and charities have concluded that the ban violates their non-discrimination requirements and have ceased providing financial aid to the Boy Scouts. An official of The Human Rights Campaign, an advocate for gay rights, said HRC planned to downgrade its non-discrimination ratings for corporations that continue to give the BSA financial support.
“It’s an extremely complex issue,” said one Boy Scouts of America official, who explained that other organizations have threatened to withdraw their financial support if the BSA drops the ban.
Curious that the Scouts aren’t worried about counter-boycotts by more socially conservative organizations. Maybe they should be:
The Southern Baptist Convention views homosexuality as sinful based on scripture and not acceptable as normal behavior, Mohler said. Ending a national policy on gays would raise a question in the mind of every Scout’s parent and require families to research the policy of each Scout troop and sponsoring organization before joining, he said.
“This is going to raise a fundamental question for the Southern Baptist Convention at national level and in the churches” about whether to reconsider a decades-old relationship with the Boy Scouts, Mohler said.
While that decision would be up to individual Southern Baptist churches, Mohler said: “I’m quite assured that those churches will be reconsidering that relationship if this policy goes into effect.”
Yeah, the key question here obviously is whether the “federalist approach” can satisfy either side or whether individual units’ decision to admit/deny gay Scouts will trigger a national ban of the BSA by some groups. Mohler seems to be hinting that it will in that excerpt (“at the national level”); a GLAAD spokesman who talked to USA Today called the new Boy Scout proposal a good “first step,” so presumably they’re hoping for further action (like, say, an order from the national board requiring individual Scout units to admit gays?) too. According to CNN, 70 percent of Boy Scout troops are affiliated with a church or religious group, but “some Scouts and Scout parents say that passing the decision to the local level will have little effect on the ground, because many troops have been ignoring the national policy anyway.” How that shakes out under the new policy, I don’t know. Does it actually end up being counterproductive by re-energizing a divisive issue at which most troops were already looking the other way?
Exit quotation from the GOP’s last presidential nominee: “‘I feel that all people should be allowed to participate in the Boy Scouts, regardless of their sexual orientation,’ Romney said in the video from 1994 recently re-surfaced by the Gay and Lesbian Alliance Against Defamation. He added at the time that he supports ‘the right of the Boy Scouts of America to decide what it wants to do on that issue.’”
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Hellfire, I’m doing it right now while I boil eggs.
Jeddite on April 29, 2013 at 10:03 PM
Couldn’t. Care. Less. Let’s hurry up and get all this coverage over with so we can back to talking about things that matter.
badtemper on April 29, 2013 at 10:05 PM
My comment got eaten.
Dogs are female b$tches. Thats me!
CW misses B9.
Melle and BB are right. Except, men are dawgs..women are b$tches.
I am 51% B.
bazil9 on April 29, 2013 at 10:08 PM
Eh, no one cares but predictable..400 posts.
I could care a less. I don’t watch the NBA,
but from
the comments…
if retiring..not brave. Whateverz.
bazil9 on April 29, 2013 at 10:10 PM
Wow talented..
All the good men are gay I guess..
melle1228 on April 29, 2013 at 10:18 PM
There’s a special emoticon for scrounging around CraigsList for sex:
D:
In 72 font.
Jeddite on April 29, 2013 at 10:22 PM
Who do you think will be the first active athlete to openly declare heterosexuality?
paulsur on April 29, 2013 at 10:33 PM
Meh. I’m reminded of Lisa Simpson’s reaction to ‘we’re here, we’re gay, get used to it’ chanting in a gay pride parade: a tired ‘we are already…’ Ok, so, to paraphrase homosexual activist Marshall Kirk, we’ve been standing under the shower so long now that although we don’t appreciate being wet, at least we’re used to it. So will you please all shut the — up now? Very tired of hearing that you’re somehow supposed to be oppressed and it’s oh, so brave to admit your homosexuality in public.
The Thin Man Returns on April 29, 2013 at 10:39 PM
Check this out: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ROXTFfkcfo
ZachV on April 29, 2013 at 11:06 PM
I wonder who gets more hate: Jason Collins for coming out publicly, or Tim Tebow for praying publicly.
TheLoudTalker on April 29, 2013 at 11:06 PM
I’d like to use this nationally viewed website to formally announce that I am heterosexual. I love women. I feel it is very important that you all know this about me.
I understand that some of you will be upset and offended by my admission, and I don’t really care because it’s not about you, its all about me. I shouldn’t have to “hide” my feelings towards women. I should be able to openly express my love for women and have everyone accept this about me. I am very brave for making this public.
jetch on April 29, 2013 at 11:12 PM
jetch…. you the man
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I had to laugh….some CBS sports guy called Collins the Rosa Parks of the gay movement. Parks had to worry about getting killed . Collins has to worry about which talk show he will get to do first and if the fawning will get old or not. What a joke.
CW on April 29, 2013 at 11:26 PM
Now, every team in every sport will be expected to have a gay player. If not, here goes the boycotts, the special media reports, the arm waving politicians.
Because, that’s how gay/pc politics works. Once they start, they want it all.
Moesart on April 29, 2013 at 11:34 PM
Watch as Chris Broussard gets excoriated while Rosa , I mean Collins visits Good Morning America.
CW on April 29, 2013 at 11:46 PM
Media is stupid. He is not the first to come out while playing. Glenn Burke is as far as I know. I’m not paid to write this shit and do research, though.
Kanyin on April 30, 2013 at 12:05 AM
Don’t care. I don’t look at him any differently or care any more or less than before. He’s gay. So what? That doesn’t make you a hero or brave or worthy of a parade.
Yakko77 on April 30, 2013 at 1:02 AM
Sorry, but I care. Frankly, so does everyone else. I worked a while back with a guy who was out. We all “tolerated” him until he was out of the room, and then we all let it be known what we really thought.
And that’s the truth of it, isn’t it? This is not about tolerance. I don’t have to tolerate ice cream — I *like* ice cream. I only have to tolerate the things I don’t like, but that’s not the gheys’ definition — tolerance in their mind is equivalent to approval, and I can’t get there.
Put plainly, my God doesn’t approve of this — He called it an abomination, and that’s just what it is.
And enough with the “dogs are gay, dolphins are gay too” business. My dog will hump a couch leg, a table leg, and your leg. That doesn’t make him gay any more than it makes my dog a couch-o-sexual. It just means he likes the feeling when he gets off.
RationalIcthus on April 30, 2013 at 2:59 AM
So you’re a two-faced phony who talks crap behind people’s backs? I fail to see the point of your comment. Why would you feel the need to gossip like schoolgirls about your coworkers?
Anyway, it seems like the tables have turned. A few decades ago the subject of homosexuality was taboo, and now it is viewed as a normal part of life. It used to be quite acceptable to mock and demean gays, but now those who talk of homosexuality as an “abomination” are being demeaned and mocked. It is becoming increasing socially unacceptable to be anti-gay. Of course people who, because of their religion, don’t approve of homosexuality, shouldn’t necessarily be demeaned, but at least they are going to know what the gays must have felt like before this societal shift took place. And, make no mistake, there has certainly been a shift. The shoe is on the other foot now.
People here who post so much about how they “don’t care” about this athlete’s sexual orientation obviously do care care or else they wouldn’t be posting so much. They say they don’t like the hoopla surrounding the coverage? Ok, well, if it weren’t for the long standing animus and discomfort regarding gays, then this announcement wouldn’t have been an issue.
These kind of announcements are to help normalize homosexuality. And why shouldn’t it be normalized? Consensual homosexuality among adults is a perfectly normal part of the human existence.
bluegill on April 30, 2013 at 4:26 AM
If that’s true, why all the celebration today over the coming out of an NBA player no one has heard of?
Uh, no it isn’t. It is about as abnormal as you can get. And for the record, I don’t care where anyone sticks their pee pee as long as it’s legal, but that doesn’t mean it’s normal.
xblade on April 30, 2013 at 4:55 AM
Is all human sexuality nothing more than “getting off” to you? How is homo different than hetero in this regard? And tell us again why you care whether someone is attracted to same or opposite sex. Is all non-procreative sex an abomination? Or just when it involves people of the same sex engaging in it?
bluegill on April 30, 2013 at 5:13 AM
No, it is normal in the sense that it is something unremarkable, everyday and commonplace. Don’t where you’ve been living your life, but homosexuality is NOT “as abnormal as you can get.”
bluegill on April 30, 2013 at 5:18 AM
Who cares? In other news, Michael Jordan, arguably the greatest player to ever play basketball, got married over the weekend…..to a woman!!!!
Boats48 on April 30, 2013 at 5:26 AM
Probably because there are still areas (like the NBA) where it would be considered surprising to see homosexuals. This is sort of like putting an exclamation point on the notion that it is a normal part of life.
Of course the coverage is overblown because of the media’s political leanings. But many people find this fascinating. Would there have been the same reaction if a top ice skater had announced his homosexuality? I think not. The fact that this guy is in the NBA challenges people’s ideas of where homosexuality would be found.
The fact is that young people are very supportive of homosexuality. These issues will be even less newsworthy in the future, and it will be increasingly unacceptable to condemn people for being homosexual or for engaging in homosexual acts, as if there were a meaningful distinction to draw there.
bluegill on April 30, 2013 at 5:32 AM
Interesting point. Out of curiosity, is
an any more or any less
than the presence of religious people who are now quite acceptably
?
rogerb on April 30, 2013 at 6:42 AM
You’re sooo open-minded darling. Clink and a wink there baby.
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CW on April 30, 2013 at 7:19 AM
Watch as this plays out… you will find the brave one are the ones that stand up to it. Quit acting like he is some great brave person…… he will be going to all the great cocktail parties while Broussard will be lucky to have a job.
CW on April 30, 2013 at 7:21 AM
BIG NEWS: Both Kris Humphree and Jason Collins are not attracted to Kim Kardashian!! ///
monalisa on April 30, 2013 at 7:32 AM
You know of course this means the loopy lunatics from Fred Phelps’ warped-out Westboro Baptist Church will most likely soon be gracing their GOD HATES FAGS! placards at every single NBA game from now until whenever.
pilamaye on April 30, 2013 at 7:33 AM
95% No-Shiz-Agreed!
Ladysmith CulchaVulcha on April 30, 2013 at 8:21 AM
LOLOL!!
Ladysmith CulchaVulcha on April 30, 2013 at 8:28 AM
Some people want to be known for their ideology. Some want to be know for their faith. Some want to be known for their professional skills. Some want to be known for their patriotism. Some want to be known for their kindness. Some want to be known for their drive and determination.
And then there’s Jason Collins, who wants to be known for the sexual acts he prefers to engage in.
Remember the quaint old days when the Supreme Court invalidated State sodomy laws because one’s sexual conduct was an issue of “privacy”? About the only way Jason Collins could be less private about his sexuality would be for him to post youtube videos flagrante delicto.
olesparkie on April 30, 2013 at 8:46 AM
Awwww
Somebody is butthurt.
What’s the matter blue? A little too close for home for you?
HotAirian on April 30, 2013 at 9:08 AM
When can 310.4 million Americans who admit they’re straight expect their personal phone call from the president?
jangle12 on April 30, 2013 at 9:15 AM
Regarding the purported sodomy of Ambassador Stevens.
I take snopes, & other sites like this with a grain of salt.
But that video from Gateway pundit no longer exists regarding the Libyan Free Press broadcast.
So really, I’m going to have to not believe Stevens was sodomized at this point.
Badger40 on April 30, 2013 at 9:22 AM
Is rectal prolapse repair as normal as tonsillectomies?
I wonder how many rectal prolapse repairs are performed annually, what percentage of those are performed on sodomists, and how many on normal men.
My guess is that the numbers are way skewed in the direction of men who let other men insert their peepees into their anuses, and therefore, is indeed therefore abnormal.
But then narcissists tend to think that their concerns and propensities are normal, and therefore, I understand why you think it’s everyday and commonplace.
Akzed on April 30, 2013 at 10:10 AM
Thank you for setting me straight.
cptacek on April 30, 2013 at 10:33 AM
12 years? Not so brave at all by coming out now. After this season he will retire. Now go away.
jake49 on April 30, 2013 at 10:36 AM
Ah, but what about heterosexual females who let “men insert their peepees into their anuses”? Since you see things on such a base level, isn’t the same also true?
At least you aren’t screaming about how much you don’t care, like many here. They “don’t care” until a person wants to marry someone of the same sex, then it’s a matter of the destruction of civilization.
TedInATL on April 30, 2013 at 10:42 AM
I should be clear. I did not participate in the comments or backbiting, and only showed this man the respect he deserves as an individual. I use the story to point out that people will say just about anything to avoid being labeled homophobic, but what they feel inside is quite different.
Of course not. But all sex that lies outside of God’s plan for marriage is. I have just as much issue with sex outside of marriage as I do homosexuality. Note that I don’t make a practice of walking down the street with signs, but if in the course of conversation (or a blog post on the subject) it becomes appropriate to express my view, I will.
Put plainly, my point in bringing up the dogs & dolphins is to point out that nature doesn’t have homosexuals. It has animals that can’t control their behavior. That goes for gays just as much as it goes for the guys that can’t keep it in their pants whenever a hot girl walks by. It’s a maturity issue that goes directly to man’s ability to live above his animal instincts. There are just some things that should not be done.
RationalIcthus on April 30, 2013 at 10:55 AM
He is not “active” because no team has picked him up and this is all a publicity stunt by him to try to get on a team after having terrible stats the last few years.
JeffinSac on April 30, 2013 at 11:56 AM
It’s an aberration concerning natural purposes.
Anal sex is always an aberration. It is not normal. And no attemp to normalize it concerning natural procreative practices is going to make it so.
My bulls that engage in f#@king each other in the a$$ are doing it bcs they have no self control over their sexual urges.
Some people consider sodomy an abomination. It certainly disgusts me.
I also consider pi$$ing on your partner disgusting AKA an abomination, as well as jack!ng off to porn.
You are never going to make everyone accept your abominable behaviors no matter how normal you try & make them.
Badger40 on April 30, 2013 at 12:10 PM
John Amaechi came out in 2007. Yawn.
OxyCon on April 30, 2013 at 12:16 PM
1. Still nasty & wrong, IMO.
2. YES.
3. I’m making the argument about it being unnatural bcs as humans, we are not born gay. It really comes down to choosing how you will behave, no matter what your urges are.
Marriage should only be a state sanctioned institution concerning how society will deal with broken marriage/union contracts. Not the Fed.
Polygamy needs to be decided upon as appropriate or not by the states, as well, for the reasons regarding contracts, division of property, children/parental rights, etc.
I don’t advocate enforcing/having sodomy laws.
I do advocate letting citizens in their respective states decided if they want the local govt to recognize certain unions.
Badger40 on April 30, 2013 at 12:20 PM
At this stage, I think it’s fair to say that 400+ commenters don’t care at all about this.
Nope…just don’t care.
Not one bit.
Got nothing to say about it…no siree.
Just, like…yawn.
Not even thinking about it.
At all.
verbaluce on April 30, 2013 at 12:33 PM
at the end of a pro career where he averaged 1 point and 1 rebound per game, he finally figured out how to get noticed. i guarantee when nobody signs him during the off season the liberals will scream about the ‘prejudice’ of the NBA
burserker on April 30, 2013 at 12:36 PM
Speaking of, we missed you on last week’s Hillary/Benghazi thread, btw:
Not even 100 comments on that headline, and zero posts from our resident (D)s, including you.
Sorry, what were you saying again?
rogerb on April 30, 2013 at 1:06 PM
The CBS radio sports blurb last hour was mocking Tim Tebow basically for thinking he’s God or something.
The dope who was reading whatever he was handed was no doubt very pleased with himself over his acceptance of an NBA player who could possibly kill a fellow player by bleeding on him.
Akzed on April 30, 2013 at 2:29 PM
Polygamy “…is contrary to the spirit of Christianity, and of the civilization which Christianity has produced in the western world.” 136 U.S. 1, LATE CORPORATION OF THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER-DAY SAINTS et al. v. UNITED STATES, May 19, 1890
Akzed on April 30, 2013 at 2:32 PM
This jerk was engaged to a woman, and she wasted 8 years of her prime on him. She had no idea that he was sleeping with men while they were together. He’s supposed to be a hero? Disgusting.
Smoothies on April 30, 2013 at 6:19 PM
Ruh-roh.
slickwillie2001 on April 30, 2013 at 6:31 PM
The reason there isn’t the same reaction to an NBA guy being gay, as there is to a male figure skating guy being gay is that “man bites dog” is always going to be a bigger story than “dog bites man”.
It’s funny-I think this whole “cmon you gay athletes-come out of the closet and let us know who you are” thing is actually going to work out the opposite of the way certain sectors of society are hoping it does.
So Collins comes out, and then probably one or two more guys from the other pro sports over the next year or so.
And…..that will be it.
And then it will become very obvious that there really are very few gay male pro athletes. Supposedly, about what…3% of the population is gay….it will become apparent, after a time, that the percentage of pro athletes who are gay males is a fraction of a fraction of one percent.
And when that sinks in these little coming out parties will not exactly be the “normalizing” events that some people are hoping for.
After all-more than 35 years after Dave Kopay “came out” and wrote his book and appeared on the Phil Donohue Show with Paul Hornung and all, the list of known gay male pro athletes could fit on a very small piece of paper.
I don’t care if someone is gay or not, I’d vote for a gay president I agree with, and I wouldn’t care if my favorite team’s QB was gay either, as long as he had a high average yards/pass attempt and didn’t throw a lot of interceptions.
But I really hate all the PC crap, and getting snowed, and being told that up is down and black is white. And that Jason Collins is the new Jackie Robinson.
Sometimes there’s a lot of truth in stereotypes.
Dreadnought on April 30, 2013 at 11:54 PM
Certainly would be an odd way of going about getting hired. Is there a team owner who would now like to make any special annoucements?
virgo on May 1, 2013 at 9:21 AM
Is anyone keeping an eye on the basket…balls?
JackM on May 1, 2013 at 12:52 PM
So when Jason Collins says he’s been dribbling all night, none of us are allowed to snicker?
JackM on May 1, 2013 at 12:58 PM
If opposing teams intentionally keep the balls away from Collins’ grasp, will they be called for a technical?
JackM on May 1, 2013 at 1:01 PM
What do you do when your team mate announces he plays for the other team?
JackM on May 1, 2013 at 1:08 PM
One time, during a game, the ref told Collins to go to the free throw line, and Collins thought he said, free blow line…
It got real ugly from there.
JackM on May 1, 2013 at 1:25 PM
I think it’s sad that a gay sports player is celebrated and patted on the back while at the same time a sports player is fired because he is a christian (Tebow). Welcome to Rome my friends.
Redglen on May 1, 2013 at 3:05 PM
Uh Oh…
JackM on May 1, 2013 at 3:59 PM
I’m not saying I condone it Akzed.
And yes, I am LDS as you probably know. Which I guess is why you posted this?
But the power for the states to regulate marriage still remains in their power.
I wouldn’t think any states would want to do this.
But in the spirit of all this gayness HA keeps pumping out, I saw fit to mention the obvious.
Badger40 on May 1, 2013 at 7:36 PM
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