Quotes of the day

posted at 10:19 pm on January 28, 2013 by Allahpundit

A marginalized group emerged from the shadows today to assert that they indeed have a voice, and a future, in American society. We speak, of course, of members of Congress. After years of scurrying for political cover, a brave handful of senators held a daylight, weekday news conference in Washington to present — in writing — a surprisingly detailed outline for overhauling the nation’s immigration laws…

Trey Gowdy, a second-term Republican who is chairman of the House Judiciary Committee’s immigration subcommittee, is known as a hawk on illegal immigration. Yet he told a newspaper in his home state of South Carolina that he wants a system that reflects “the humanity that I think defines us as a people, and the respect for the rule of law that defines us as a republic.” If that’s the standard Congress maintains for immigration reform, millions will be on a path to citizenship, and the nation will be on the high road to success.

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Advocates expect to lose at least five Democrats in the Senate, which means they will need upwards of a dozen Republicans to vote for the legislation. That’s where Rubio and other tea party favorites like Sen. Mike Lee of Utah will come into play. Rubio and Lee are newcomers to an old discussion among Republican veterans like McCain and Sen. Lindsey Graham of South Carolina. Newly elected Sen. Jeff Flake of Arizona will be a key Republican player as well…

Boehner has to be careful. He only has so many chances to put incendiary legislation on the floor before his caucus stages an all-out revolt. To appease them, he will probably offer one or two high-profile House votes, where Democrats will protest like crazy, on enforcement-only immigration legislation. That gets the dealmakers to the next step, a conference committee where anything can happen. As Kennedy was fond of saying, “We’ll fix it in conference.”

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“As I’ve stated before, elections, elections,” said McCain, who along with seven colleagues spoke out at a Monday afternoon Capitol Hill press conference about a set of bipartisan principles for reform they had released a day earlier.

“The Republican Party is losing the support of our Hispanic citizens, and we realize there are many issues in which we think we are in agreement with our Hispanic citizens, but this is a pre-eminent issue for those citizens,” said McCain, his party’s standard-bearer in the 2008 presidential election.

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Why won’t this new reform be a repeat of the 1986 reform, when the amnesty provisions were implemented but the enforcement half was blocked by ACLU-style lawsuits and bureaucratic weakness? The result was a broken border and the approximately 11 million new unauthorized immigrants we’re talking about giving amnesty to today. (If it wouldn’t bother you if an Obama amnesty attracted millions of new unauthorized immigrants, then let’s be open about that.)…

Are we really that good at assimilating? Yes, American culture is powerful. But now there is an entrenched lobby for bilingual education, and identity politics curricula that teach young people they’re right to resist assimilation. Formal and informal race preferences reward Americans for maintaining separate ethnic identies. And then there’s Univision, which would go out of business if too many people spoke the common language.

Isn’t Mexico special? Other immigrants had to cross oceans and cut ties to get here–and many still do. But half of our new unauthorized immigrants come from a single country a day’s drive away–a nation with a not-implausible claim to much of our Southwestern territory. The “border” may mean something else to them than it does to us, or to other immigrants. Everywhere else in the world this is a recipe for turmoil. Why are we immune?

***

As the Hispanic electorate becomes less Cuban, more Mexican and Central American, it becomes less susceptible to GOP cultural themes. The claim that Hispanic voters are “natural Republicans” is based on nothing but wishful thinking, fortified by ignorance.

Economically struggling Hispanics need and want more government than the GOP will offer them, and the 11 million illegals soon to embark on their “path to citizenship” will need and want even more: Earned Income Tax Credits, Medicaid, Section 8 housing, food stamps, and so on. Even into the fourth generation after joining the American workforce, Mexican-Americans remain strikingly less likely to finish college than Anglo-Americans.

It’s not true for everyone, of course, but it’s true for enough to ensure that Democrats will win the larger share of the Hispanic vote for a long time to come.

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By definition, creating a path to citizenship turns illegal aliens into potential voters, and any serious analysis of Hispanic opinion tells you that those new voters’ interests and beliefs will tend to align with the Democratic Party. No, not necessarily forever, but across the next few decades of American politics there is simply no plausible case that gratitude to Marco Rubio and Jeff Flake will convert a liberal-leaning voting bloc into a true swing constituency, let alone a Republican-tilting demographic. Which makes it very, very easy to imagine a future where immigration reform helps Republicans win a slightly higher percentage of the Hispanic vote, but costs them many more votes in absolute terms by accelerating the ongoing demographic shifts in the electorate. (And that’s without getting into the incentives that such a deal would create for future migration, or its disillusioning impact on the working class white voters the G.O.P. still can’t win without …)

Presumably these costs would be reduced if the reform’s path to citizenship were long and arduous enough, with more waiting and more hurdles than a straightforward amnesty. But then the immediate political benefits to Republicans become much more uncertain as well, since they would still be playing the “bad cop” role in a policy debate that would no doubt extend for many years after the initial bill were passed. (The ads write themselves: “Republican candidate X says that he supports immigration reform, but he’s voted again and again to keep hardworking immigrants in legal limbo, deny their children benefits, etc. …”)

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[O]pen-borders advocacy groups are signaling that they will fight any enforcement measures that are enacted into law. One activist writes at the Huffington Post that any amnesty package should terminate a program that prosecutes border infiltrators (it’s a misdemeanor on the first offense, a felony afterward). You would think they’d be willing to support such a program after an amnesty and after the Senate outline’s provision for effectively unlimited immigration go into effect. But apparently they understand better than clueless Republican pols that an amnesty bill will serve as a magnet for more illegal immigration because the enforcement promises are fake, and they want to make sure that flow is not impeded.

Also, the ACLU has made clear that it will wage a legal jihad against the provision mandating the screening of all new hires with the E-Verify system. E-Verify is the main enforcement bait the open-borders crowd holds out to attract naïve conservatives to back amnesty (though the Senate outline was careful not to mention E-Verify specifically, because Schumer wants to replace it with something “better,” a process which wouldn’t be completed until years after all the current illegals are legalized — if ever). Preventing its full implementation is key to crippling future enforcement and ensuring that illegal immigration continues.

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U.S. Sen. Ted Cruz (R-TX) issued the following statement regarding today’s bipartisan immigration reform proposal:

I appreciate the good work that senators in both parties have put into trying to fix our broken immigration system. There are some good elements in this proposal, especially increasing the resources and manpower to secure our border and also improving and streamlining legal immigration. However, I have deep concerns with the proposed path to citizenship. To allow those who came here illegally to be placed on such a path is both inconsistent with rule of law and profoundly unfair to the millions of legal immigrants who waited years, if not decades, to come to America legally.

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Today, Senator Mike Lee made the following statement with regard to the Statement of Principles on immigration reform released by the Group of Eight:…

I remain greatly supportive of what the group aims to accomplish and will continue to work with my colleagues to solve many of the challenges this important issue presents. Although I am encouraged by the process and continue to support efforts to make real progress on immigration reform, I am not able to sign the Statement of Principles released today.

These guidelines contemplate a policy that will grant special benefits to illegal immigrants based on their unlawful presence in the country. Reforms to our complex and dysfunctional immigration system should not in any way favor those who came here illegally over the millions of applicants who seek to come here lawfully.

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A House conservative who has taken a leading role in the lower chamber’s discussions on immigration, Rep. Raul Labrador (R-Idaho), said the ideas released Monday were “good principles” that were similar to those that members of both parties in the House were discussing.

But he said the group’s proposal for a path to citizenship stuck out as a concern and would be “tough” to accept in the House.

“I think that’s going to be one of the sticking points between the House and the Senate,” Labrador said. “We have to be careful about rewarding people for illegal activity with citizenship.”…

Labrador said he and other conservatives are looking for signs that President Obama wants a “policy victory” on immigration and not simply a “political victory” that comes from blaming Republicans for a failure to pass legislation.

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Which brings us back to Mr. Obama. The President will lay out his own reform principles Tuesday, but the question is whether he wants an achievement or a political issue. If he wants a genuine reform, the Senate framework shows how much Republicans have already moved his way. GOP leaders can read the 2012 exit polls, and thanks to the persuasion of Mr. Rubio, Jeb Bush and a few others, more conservatives are now more amenable to reform.

Yet neither Mr. Obama nor his White House have reached out to Mr. Rubio, and many Democrats want to use the immigration issue to drive turnout in election after election. Their goal is to have a legislative dance and then blame Republicans for killing reform sometime in 2014.

If that is Mr. Obama’s real goal, he’ll demand too much—by gutting the guest-worker program again or complicating it with too much bureaucracy, or by insisting on a quick and easy path to citizenship for illegals. Mr. Obama will have to decide if he wants a legacy of reform, or more partisanship.

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One of the things to look for is whether Obama has the good sense to lead from behind and not claim this plan as his own crusade. That is the surest way to piss off Congress, especially congressional Republicans, just as it is children and bosses. Letting them come up with the plan and showing a willingness to sign off on it would probably be the best bet. If it’s seen as Obama’s plan, they’ll reflexively oppose it. If it’s Marco Rubio’s plan, even if it bears little difference from Obama’s, Republicans—who want Hispanics’ love even more than a tax cut—will embrace it…

Getting to the finish line on immigration won’t be easy despite the new receptivity. There are policy questions: Will the E-Verify system be widely demanded or not? What’s the route to green cards? There are political ones: Can the tea party back off its tough stand on immigration? Can labor and Hispanic groups accept tougher documentation standards? There’s a reason we haven’t had a big immigration bill in more than a generation. Knowing when to have a light touch will require the president to be less assertive than he was in his inaugural address.

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“If we do succeed, and I think we will, it will be a testimonial to Ted Kennedy’s effort years ago that laid the groundwork for this agreement,” said Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.), a member of the bipartisan group of senators that on Monday backed a set of principles for comprehensive immigration reform.

“You will find that this agreement has very little difference from that of the legislation that was led by Sen. Kennedy some years ago.”

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“I think it’s important before we let the moment pass to acknowledge that the progress we’re seeing embodied in the priniciples put forward by this bipartisan group is happening for a reason: I think it’s happening because consensus is developing in the country, a bipartisan consensus, and it’s happening because the president has demonstrated significant leadership on this issue,” Carney said.

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Via Greg Hengler.


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arnold ziffel on January 29, 2013 at 1:13 AM

arnold, if you and I could harness our anger, and put that excess energy to a good use, I believe we could build one heII of a ship! Then we could sail away from it all. ; ) or at least go out sailing and have a few beers. Lol!

Bmore on January 29, 2013 at 1:21 AM

SparkPlug on January 29, 2013 at 1:18 AM

See!! Just absolutely perfect!

It all makes sense…

I don’t know what to say! Lmao!!

Scrumpy on January 29, 2013 at 1:22 AM

We will get there. We simply must for the good of our country and for ourselves.

Bmore on January 29, 2013 at 1:08 AM

I hope you are right Bmore. I’m afraid that this past election has shown us that too many in this country want to be ruled. It is at that point that a division will need to happen, because at least 47% of us don’t.

AZfederalist on January 29, 2013 at 1:22 AM

Whenever BMore makes a type you can sure hear his touch scream.

haha. Darn iPad thingy. H/T BMore

SparkPlug on January 29, 2013 at 1:25 AM

All right, listen up froods. Your towels

spike heals

wonder birds don’t drink Fanta

not trap

*zzzzzzzzzzz*

*autopoof*

Axe on January 29, 2013 at 1:26 AM

Bmore on January 29, 2013 at 1:16 AM

If you think it’s necessary I’ll respect your judgement, and I’m certain that you’ll make the adjustments of which you speak seamlessly. :)

thatsafactjack on January 29, 2013 at 1:26 AM

*autopoof* ?

why didn’t I think of that one? Could have made a fortune.

SparkPlug on January 29, 2013 at 1:27 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TT8sl9ZyICE

World crisis…

Scrumpy on January 29, 2013 at 1:27 AM

Axe on January 29, 2013 at 1:26 AM

Goodnight, Axefellow. Dream of wondrous things. Sleep well and deep. :)

thatsafactjack on January 29, 2013 at 1:27 AM

type typo

I misspelled the word typo.

SparkPlug on January 29, 2013 at 1:28 AM

Good Night Axe!!

Scrumpy on January 29, 2013 at 1:28 AM

AZfederalist on January 29, 2013 at 1:22 AM

I know AZ, I had no idea how far off course we were. I seriously gave our countrymen way to much credit for reason. I thought even Mitt was gonna make it , no problem. Never in my wildest dreams did I think we had gotten to this level. Out numbered so badly. I could not have been more wrong. It’s not likely to happen again. I got the message. Soon though, I may have to concentrate exclusively on my family and let them have the rest. Would hate to go that route, but ultimately I have to protect me and mine.

Bmore on January 29, 2013 at 1:29 AM

SWalker on January 29, 2013 at 1:21 AM

Hilarious!!

Scrumpy on January 29, 2013 at 1:29 AM

How do you say poof in Spanish? I guess we got some learning to do.

tommy71 on January 29, 2013 at 1:31 AM

For Arnold!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=puSkP3uym5k

Scrumpy on January 29, 2013 at 1:14 AM

Thanks. I have a question (hope it’s not dumb) for instrument players. Why is a ukelele sound higher—tinky? The strings or the fact the instrument is smaller than a guitar?

arnold ziffel on January 29, 2013 at 1:32 AM

How do you say poof in Spanish? I guess we got some learning to do.

tommy71 on January 29, 2013 at 1:31 AM

“petho” ;)

arnold ziffel on January 29, 2013 at 1:33 AM

Schadfellow, where art thou?

SparkPlug on January 29, 2013 at 1:33 AM

SparkPlug on January 29, 2013 at 1:25 AM

Lol! I need one of those screen cover silencer thingys. Might help with all the smearing too. But dang $20, I’m so frugal, I hate to spend it.

Bmore on January 29, 2013 at 1:33 AM

Bmore on January 29, 2013 at 1:29 AM

Bmore. 94 million eligible voters failed to cast a ballot last election. We only lost by 1=2% of the total vote. We need to get these fence sitters to the polls, and because Obama isn’t going to be running next election, the Democrat turnout won’t be what it was this round. Hang in there.

thatsafactjack on January 29, 2013 at 1:33 AM

Good Night Axe, Sleep Well.

Bmore on January 29, 2013 at 1:34 AM

I have a better idea Trey Gowdy why don’t you pass Mexico’s immigration laws word for word in Spanish and cross out a few lines of “spanish” and relace it with “English”….

I say we show Mexico the same compassion they show Hondurans and Guatemalans….

harlekwin15 on January 29, 2013 at 1:35 AM

Coulda sworn I saw Dire around here somewhere. Where the heII did he go?

Bmore on January 29, 2013 at 1:35 AM

tommy71 on January 29, 2013 at 1:31 AM

Good evening, Tommy. Good to see you.

“Rubio?” oh… wait.. that’s for ‘squish’ or ‘panderer’… gee… guess I don’t know. :)

thatsafactjack on January 29, 2013 at 1:35 AM

arnold, if you and I could harness our anger, and put that excess energy to a good use, I believe we could build one heII of a ship! Then we could sail away from it all. ; ) or at least go out sailing and have a few beers. Lol!

Bmore on January 29, 2013 at 1:21 AM

lol, Mr B. You seem mellow tonight. I’m more in the mood of a battleship with withering all day fire, land the Marines and take no prisoners.

arnold ziffel on January 29, 2013 at 1:36 AM

Schadfellow, where art thou?

SparkPlug on January 29, 2013 at 1:33 AM

Verily!

I miss our Schadenfreude.

thatsafactjack on January 29, 2013 at 1:36 AM

Coulda sworn I saw Dire around here somewhere. Where the heII did he go?

Bmore on January 29, 2013 at 1:35 AM

He’s probably just lost in the back of his Limo again… ;p

SWalker on January 29, 2013 at 1:37 AM

Goodnight all. Out for the evening

AZfederalist on January 29, 2013 at 1:37 AM

thatsafactjack on January 29, 2013 at 1:33 AM

Yes, as soon as certain factors take hold, more and more will realise just what 0 is doing and that nothing is ever free, we all pay a price, it depends still, unfortunately, on the capability of the repubs to get the message out, and for still many many more to Wake The FU!!

This country was built by blood sweat and tears, I sure hope we don’t have to go there…

People, wake UP!!

Scrumpy on January 29, 2013 at 1:37 AM

Good night AZ!

Scrumpy on January 29, 2013 at 1:38 AM

Goodnight all. Out for the evening

AZfederalist on January 29, 2013 at 1:37 AM

Night AZ…

SWalker on January 29, 2013 at 1:38 AM

AZfederalist on January 29, 2013 at 1:37 AM

Goodnight, AZ. Sleep well. :)

thatsafactjack on January 29, 2013 at 1:38 AM

Hey Juan Queeg…you talking about Teddy Kennedy swearing to end easy EUropean immigraion in the late 60s, or are you talking about his lies in 1986, or his attempt to grant defacto citizenship to all of mexico in 1997?

McCain when Obama destroys this nation YOU are to blame.

You John not me.

harlekwin15 on January 29, 2013 at 1:39 AM

arnold ziffel on January 29, 2013 at 1:32 AM

I would be guessing, a bit of both maybe?

I don’t play any instrument.

May be SW has an answer?

Scrumpy on January 29, 2013 at 1:40 AM

Scrumpy on January 29, 2013 at 1:37 AM

They will, Scrumpy. When they feel the pain they’ll pay attention. Stand fast. The pendulum has reached its maximum arc to the left… is beginning its arc to the right. It just takes time. :)

thatsafactjack on January 29, 2013 at 1:41 AM

thatsafactjack on January 29, 2013 at 1:41 AM

That it is…

I have to have faith, things will swing back to the right…

Scrumpy on January 29, 2013 at 1:42 AM

Hi there, Jackie. Hows you? Happy and content, I hope.

tommy71 on January 29, 2013 at 1:43 AM

It’s time fur 4grace to visit us.

I didn’t want to say for 4 so I said fur 4.

SparkPlug on January 29, 2013 at 1:43 AM

thatsafactjack on January 29, 2013 at 1:33 AM

Oh, I know it ended close, within the margin of cheating almost. Just can’t quite see how slightly more than half of us are either low info, leftest’s. meanwhile each day 0 is adding, what 600 new fed employees. It’s pathetic that folks are seeming to dig this. Liberals were never this way. These progressives and leftists have been. All the Liberals I’ve known though we’re at least intelligent enough to vote for self interest pocket book type issues. Which it’s pretty apparent we are in rough shape on that front and costs are heading up, up, up. I suppose there are many things at play. But really we are outnumbered. It’s not good.

Bmore on January 29, 2013 at 1:43 AM

Tango en Skai – Dyens

thatsafactjack on January 29, 2013 at 1:44 AM

May be SW has an answer?

Scrumpy on January 29, 2013 at 1:40 AM

He is a doobie blogger.

SparkPlug on January 29, 2013 at 1:46 AM

arnold ziffel on January 29, 2013 at 1:36 AM

Lol! Just a bit tired. I’m taking a day for myself tomorrow, hence me being up late. The better half has jury duty. The defendant better hope she doesn’t get picked. She’s in a hang em high mood. ; )

Bmore on January 29, 2013 at 1:46 AM

AZ crashed? Good Night AZ.

Bmore on January 29, 2013 at 1:48 AM

Tango en Skai – Dyens

thatsafactjack on January 29, 2013 at 1:44 AM

That was amazing, just like you.

SparkPlug on January 29, 2013 at 1:48 AM

Bmore on January 29, 2013 at 1:43 AM

Being outnumbered was the day I have dreaded. I have mentioned before that we are fast becoming an endangered ‘species’.

The dems pretty much have it locked down, I have wracked my brain to see a way out and up…

The fault lies, as has been said many times before, with a complicit media.

I thought the TEA Party would be the uniting factor, but it is now no more than a local thing.

It will take somthing truly drastic to wake folk the heck up.

I am at a loss right now…

Scrumpy on January 29, 2013 at 1:51 AM

Bmore on January 29, 2013 at 1:46 AM

Take a day off. Once your battery is charged you will come up with more wonderful whirligigs.

SparkPlug on January 29, 2013 at 1:51 AM

thatsafactjack on January 29, 2013 at 1:41 AM

Meant to mention, I saw an entry on a thread from you today. A nice long one. I like it when you do that. You should try to do it more often. You have a solid way with words.

Bmore on January 29, 2013 at 1:51 AM

Bmore on January 29, 2013 at 1:43 AM

I can only advise you that I’ve seen this same type of thing before… and a saturation point on spending will come and there will be fiscal restraint.

There are 100 million Americans on the 83 separate means tested welfare programs in this nation ( and I note here that these do not include spending for Social Security, Medicare, and the VA) and this spending is the single largest expenditure of the federal government today. There are only 310 million people in the entire nation. The average welfare recipient on these programs receives about $44,000 /yr in benefits combining cash, subsidies, and health care. It actually costs the taxpayers about $61, 000/year for each recipient though, as there are administrative costs to run those agencies. This sum… $44,000 per year per recipient, is more than middle class families make in much of Europe. No one suggests that those European families are ‘poor’. This welfare class cannot continue to live at the expense of their neighbors. There must be cuts to the programs and these people must be forced to find employment. The middle class of this nation has been brutalized.. and as Obamacare and the bills for the 20 new taxes it holds come due… on top of rising premiums.. with rationing.. and gas prices continue to climb.. and food prices spiral upward as inflation bites hard… people will demand these programs be cut.
Hang in there, my friend. It’s not as bleak as it appears.

thatsafactjack on January 29, 2013 at 1:52 AM

Cheer up, Scrumpy. It all happens in tides. We’re at a low tide right now. But sooner or later, we’ll be at high tide.

tommy71 on January 29, 2013 at 1:53 AM

Bmore on January 29, 2013 at 1:51 AM

LOL! Thank you.

I would love to be able to comment here more frequently, but I’m working on the novels and its time consuming. I’m deeply gratified that you think well of my posts, though. It means a lot to me. :)

thatsafactjack on January 29, 2013 at 1:54 AM

Night vision goggles = Check

Warm clothing = Check

Tabasco Spray = Check

Once more around the Glade…

BRB!!

Scrumpy on January 29, 2013 at 1:55 AM

I am at a loss right now…

Scrumpy on January 29, 2013 at 1:51 AM

I know you have had enough without all this other bs. I find myself thinking perhaps its gonna take a lot of pain before their attention is grabbed. I don’t like the concept, but it just might be what it takes to get them thinking.

Bmore on January 29, 2013 at 1:55 AM

SparkPlug on January 29, 2013 at 1:48 AM

Thank you, Spark. I think you’re pretty amazing, too. :)

Dyens is a favorite.

thatsafactjack on January 29, 2013 at 1:56 AM

SparkPlug on January 29, 2013 at 1:48 AM

I’m sorry! I accidentally struck myself out! LOL! Misfire! :)

thatsafactjack on January 29, 2013 at 1:56 AM

tommy71 on January 29, 2013 at 1:53 AM

Oh I am cheerful enough, but reality sucks…

Thank You!! You are so kind!

Scrumpy on January 29, 2013 at 1:57 AM

Scrumpy on January 29, 2013 at 1:55 AM

If you see Dire sitting under his oak tree directing the pixie orchestra…tell him we’re looking for him ! :)

thatsafactjack on January 29, 2013 at 1:58 AM

Glade all secure! :-)

Scrumpy on January 29, 2013 at 1:58 AM

Hang in there, my friend. It’s not as bleak as it appears.

thatsafactjack on January 29, 2013 at 1:52 AM

Jackie, I can only hope you are right. However, living in CA the wind was taken out of my sails in 2010 and the hull hit the reef in 2012. Those two elections made me realize too many people are beyond reason.

arnold ziffel on January 29, 2013 at 1:59 AM

thatsafactjack on January 29, 2013 at 1:58 AM

Not a creature is stirring not even a mouse!

No sign :-(

Scrumpy on January 29, 2013 at 1:59 AM

thatsafactjack on January 29, 2013 at 1:52 AM

Oh, I’ll be fine, in great shape and well prepared. It’s some of our countrymen who may not have the same wear with all , I worry about. The ones who are hurt the easiest by the least. As you know, the moocher s can starve as far as I’m concerned. To heII with em. It’s the fine people who play by the rules bust their balls everyday to make it work. Those are who I worry. The rest can “sacrifice” or starve.

Bmore on January 29, 2013 at 2:02 AM

May be SW has an answer?

Scrumpy on January 29, 2013 at 1:40 AM

He is a doobie blogger.

SparkPlug on January 29, 2013 at 1:46 AM

Well, actually rumor has it I’m a hoopy frood who really knows where his towel is… ‘)

SWalker on January 29, 2013 at 2:02 AM

The bewitching hour has come and gone

I must off to my bed!

God Bless and Good night all!

It is always such a pleasure to be amongst your company.

Sweet dreams and sleep good!

*Schwule*

Scrumpy on January 29, 2013 at 2:04 AM

arnold ziffel on January 29, 2013 at 1:59 AM

I worry about you. Ca. Is starting to sound not very promising.

Bmore on January 29, 2013 at 2:05 AM

Nite, Scrumpy.

tommy71 on January 29, 2013 at 2:05 AM

Good Night Scrumpy, Pleasant Dreams.

Bmore on January 29, 2013 at 2:06 AM

arnold ziffel on January 29, 2013 at 1:59 AM

I understand you feelings and your reality in California completely, Arnold.

However, California is the laboratory for the progressive experiment. The fact is that California has 1/12 of the nations population, and 1/3 of its welfare recipients. They offered the most benefits and subsidies of any state… and the opportunists came. Then, there’s the fact that it’s been a sanctuary state for some time. LA was the first city to declare it would not obey federal immigration law, and that it was a ‘sanctuary city’. Again, the illegals came. California has an annual deficit of about $22-24 Billion/yr. California spends around $24 Billion on social services for illegal aliens alone every year. This figure does not include the cost of the judiciary or penal system. California also has the highest state tax rate, along with NY, of all 50 states. Business fled, beginning in 2000, and accelerating until the present, to state income tax free, or low tax, states.

Fortunately, the rest of the nation is in better shape, and will fight to remain that way. The governors are already drawing the line in the sand, they can see what has transpired in California, and have been taking notes. Even California will have to cut those programs and see that the welfare class finds employment and becomes self sufficient. They will also have to cut the public union workforce and benefit packages. Its only a matter of time, since what they’ve got is completely unsustainable.

thatsafactjack on January 29, 2013 at 2:11 AM

Well big day off tomorrow. What will I do? Be lazy for a change perhaps. I’m not very good at that.

Bmore on January 29, 2013 at 2:11 AM

Scrumpy on January 29, 2013 at 2:04 AM

Goodnight, Spritely One! Moonbeams attend thee to sweet and gentle dreams. :)

thatsafactjack on January 29, 2013 at 2:12 AM

Bmore on January 29, 2013 at 2:11 AM

No you’re not, it’s a fact. I have a plan for you. Look at it as your job to relax and have a marvelous day! It doesn’t mean you can’t do something you enjoy… and it is … after all… your job. :)

thatsafactjack on January 29, 2013 at 2:13 AM

Bmore on January 29, 2013 at 1:13 AM

Hang in there!..:)

PS..Good evening..:)

Dire Straits on January 29, 2013 at 2:14 AM

thatsafactjack on January 29, 2013 at 2:11 AM

I’m not sure they will cut. I really am starting to think they will just continue until it consumes everything. I think it’s what they ultimately are after. Total state authoritarian control.

Bmore on January 29, 2013 at 2:15 AM

You can always pop in for an hour or 12, B. ;-)

tommy71 on January 29, 2013 at 2:15 AM

PS..Good evening..:)

Dire Straits on January 29, 2013 at 2:14 AM

There he is! How are you Dire? Snow?

Bmore on January 29, 2013 at 2:17 AM

As The Years Go Passing By- Moore

So much work.. so little time. :)

I bid you all a fond goodnight. It’s been a pleasure, as always. See you soon.

thatsafactjack on January 29, 2013 at 2:18 AM

thatsafactjack on January 29, 2013 at 2:13 AM

Yeah, I’ll probably piddle. This or that, maybe a nap.

Bmore on January 29, 2013 at 2:18 AM

You can always pop in for an hour or 12, B. ;-)

tommy71 on January 29, 2013 at 2:15 AM

That’s the beauty and the curse of my work. I can come and go as I please. Pay attention to this place and still be getting a sizable amount of work done. Of course sometimes I have to concentrate more than other times. And of course other times I’m not around devices. It just varies.

Bmore on January 29, 2013 at 2:22 AM

Dire, you’re not really here are you?

Bmore on January 29, 2013 at 2:23 AM

Ok, this story is funny- ‘A Malaysian lodged a report against a stallion for ‘ra*ing’ and ‘mur*ering’ his racehorse. The owner of the mare lodged the report to obtain the autopsy results from Universiti Putra, Malaysia’s veterinary clinic on the cause of her death at a stable. The business man from Kampung Pandan Dalam, who was the victim’s owner, said that the results were needed as proof to remove the suspect, an Arabian stallion, from the place before he attacked and kil*ed other horses’. Those darn Arabian stallions. Even their horses are wild. /s

tommy71 on January 29, 2013 at 2:25 AM

Well it’s a late night for me at any rate. I can’t link tunes on this device. Sorry.

Good Night All.

Bmore on January 29, 2013 at 2:25 AM

Nite, Jackie and B.

tommy71 on January 29, 2013 at 2:27 AM

thatsafactjack on January 29, 2013 at 2:13 AM

Yeah, I’ll probably piddle. This or that, maybe a nap.

Bmore on January 29, 2013 at 2:18 AM

Well, you piddle on the rug and I’ll smack you with a rolled up newspaper…

SWalker on January 29, 2013 at 2:27 AM

Mornin’ or whatevs. I’ve beenup for almost 24 hrs and won’t get to finally sleep foranother 12 hrs .

annoyinglittletwerp on January 29, 2013 at 2:27 AM

tommy71 on January 29, 2013 at 2:25 AM

Something tells me that is a true story. ; )

Bmore on January 29, 2013 at 2:28 AM

lol, B. But a horse accused of ra*e? Too funny.

tommy71 on January 29, 2013 at 2:30 AM

Hiya, twerp. Why are you up so late?

tommy71 on January 29, 2013 at 2:31 AM

Morning alt, I’m out.

SWalker I won’t.

Jackie, have to get my eyes checked. Missed you signing out. Good night , pleasant dreams.

Bmore on January 29, 2013 at 2:32 AM

lol, B. But a horse accused of ra*e? Too funny.

tommy71 on January 29, 2013 at 2:30 AM

And murder, apparently after ra*ing the Mare, he needed to kill her because she was a whore…

SWalker on January 29, 2013 at 2:33 AM

Bwahahahahaha, SW

tommy71 on January 29, 2013 at 2:34 AM

I’m at o’hare…and my next sleep is in Lubbock.

annoyinglittletwerp on January 29, 2013 at 2:35 AM

Jeez, twerp. You must be incredibly tired and a nervous wreck. And without sleep. Thats bad.

tommy71 on January 29, 2013 at 2:38 AM

k, I gotta go, too. Take care, twerp. Have a safe journey. And once you arrive at your destination, sleep for a straight 12 hours. God bless.

tommy71 on January 29, 2013 at 2:47 AM

Political boundaries/borders are racist.

Well, for the U.S. anyway.

Just try to sneak into one of these (other) Banana Republics and see what happens to you.

Dr. ZhivBlago on January 29, 2013 at 4:47 AM

One of the things to look for is whether Obama has the good sense to lead from behind and not claim this plan as his own crusade.

too late…he’s already claiming victory and his leadership that got this going….

las vegas-campaign stop on my immigration plan

it looks like in the headlines, he’s already going to block out secured borders first (like that was going to happen anyways)

cripe….how are they going to enforce knowing english first….everything from canned goods to store signage is in both english and spanish…that won’t have to do squat to become legal and dear leader will make sure it stays that way

cmsinaz on January 29, 2013 at 5:43 AM

lsm giddy that gop is on the wrong side of another issue especially evil rush and fox news…lsm even admits that gop caving to this will not make the latinos vote gop, it’s just more dem voters for them and hillary….

cmsinaz on January 29, 2013 at 5:45 AM

what the heck is on the front of drudge…seriously…

bashing gop for being stupid for not passing immigration by morning joe in short order

cmsinaz on January 29, 2013 at 5:50 AM

something you won’t hear on lsm
dear leader opposed the ’07 immigration bill

cmsinaz on January 29, 2013 at 6:05 AM

Salutations and Greetings

tommy71 on January 29, 2013 at 6:07 AM

tommy71 on January 29, 2013 at 6:07 AM

morning T

cmsinaz on January 29, 2013 at 6:09 AM

those border security components are too much for dear leader
-mj crew

cmsinaz on January 29, 2013 at 6:10 AM

This amnesty deal is garbage. They will become legal, and nothing will be done for border security.

Changes better be made to this plan.

bluegill on January 29, 2013 at 6:11 AM

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