Quotes of the day

posted at 10:19 pm on January 28, 2013 by Allahpundit

A marginalized group emerged from the shadows today to assert that they indeed have a voice, and a future, in American society. We speak, of course, of members of Congress. After years of scurrying for political cover, a brave handful of senators held a daylight, weekday news conference in Washington to present — in writing — a surprisingly detailed outline for overhauling the nation’s immigration laws…

Trey Gowdy, a second-term Republican who is chairman of the House Judiciary Committee’s immigration subcommittee, is known as a hawk on illegal immigration. Yet he told a newspaper in his home state of South Carolina that he wants a system that reflects “the humanity that I think defines us as a people, and the respect for the rule of law that defines us as a republic.” If that’s the standard Congress maintains for immigration reform, millions will be on a path to citizenship, and the nation will be on the high road to success.

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Advocates expect to lose at least five Democrats in the Senate, which means they will need upwards of a dozen Republicans to vote for the legislation. That’s where Rubio and other tea party favorites like Sen. Mike Lee of Utah will come into play. Rubio and Lee are newcomers to an old discussion among Republican veterans like McCain and Sen. Lindsey Graham of South Carolina. Newly elected Sen. Jeff Flake of Arizona will be a key Republican player as well…

Boehner has to be careful. He only has so many chances to put incendiary legislation on the floor before his caucus stages an all-out revolt. To appease them, he will probably offer one or two high-profile House votes, where Democrats will protest like crazy, on enforcement-only immigration legislation. That gets the dealmakers to the next step, a conference committee where anything can happen. As Kennedy was fond of saying, “We’ll fix it in conference.”

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“As I’ve stated before, elections, elections,” said McCain, who along with seven colleagues spoke out at a Monday afternoon Capitol Hill press conference about a set of bipartisan principles for reform they had released a day earlier.

“The Republican Party is losing the support of our Hispanic citizens, and we realize there are many issues in which we think we are in agreement with our Hispanic citizens, but this is a pre-eminent issue for those citizens,” said McCain, his party’s standard-bearer in the 2008 presidential election.

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Why won’t this new reform be a repeat of the 1986 reform, when the amnesty provisions were implemented but the enforcement half was blocked by ACLU-style lawsuits and bureaucratic weakness? The result was a broken border and the approximately 11 million new unauthorized immigrants we’re talking about giving amnesty to today. (If it wouldn’t bother you if an Obama amnesty attracted millions of new unauthorized immigrants, then let’s be open about that.)…

Are we really that good at assimilating? Yes, American culture is powerful. But now there is an entrenched lobby for bilingual education, and identity politics curricula that teach young people they’re right to resist assimilation. Formal and informal race preferences reward Americans for maintaining separate ethnic identies. And then there’s Univision, which would go out of business if too many people spoke the common language.

Isn’t Mexico special? Other immigrants had to cross oceans and cut ties to get here–and many still do. But half of our new unauthorized immigrants come from a single country a day’s drive away–a nation with a not-implausible claim to much of our Southwestern territory. The “border” may mean something else to them than it does to us, or to other immigrants. Everywhere else in the world this is a recipe for turmoil. Why are we immune?

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As the Hispanic electorate becomes less Cuban, more Mexican and Central American, it becomes less susceptible to GOP cultural themes. The claim that Hispanic voters are “natural Republicans” is based on nothing but wishful thinking, fortified by ignorance.

Economically struggling Hispanics need and want more government than the GOP will offer them, and the 11 million illegals soon to embark on their “path to citizenship” will need and want even more: Earned Income Tax Credits, Medicaid, Section 8 housing, food stamps, and so on. Even into the fourth generation after joining the American workforce, Mexican-Americans remain strikingly less likely to finish college than Anglo-Americans.

It’s not true for everyone, of course, but it’s true for enough to ensure that Democrats will win the larger share of the Hispanic vote for a long time to come.

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By definition, creating a path to citizenship turns illegal aliens into potential voters, and any serious analysis of Hispanic opinion tells you that those new voters’ interests and beliefs will tend to align with the Democratic Party. No, not necessarily forever, but across the next few decades of American politics there is simply no plausible case that gratitude to Marco Rubio and Jeff Flake will convert a liberal-leaning voting bloc into a true swing constituency, let alone a Republican-tilting demographic. Which makes it very, very easy to imagine a future where immigration reform helps Republicans win a slightly higher percentage of the Hispanic vote, but costs them many more votes in absolute terms by accelerating the ongoing demographic shifts in the electorate. (And that’s without getting into the incentives that such a deal would create for future migration, or its disillusioning impact on the working class white voters the G.O.P. still can’t win without …)

Presumably these costs would be reduced if the reform’s path to citizenship were long and arduous enough, with more waiting and more hurdles than a straightforward amnesty. But then the immediate political benefits to Republicans become much more uncertain as well, since they would still be playing the “bad cop” role in a policy debate that would no doubt extend for many years after the initial bill were passed. (The ads write themselves: “Republican candidate X says that he supports immigration reform, but he’s voted again and again to keep hardworking immigrants in legal limbo, deny their children benefits, etc. …”)

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[O]pen-borders advocacy groups are signaling that they will fight any enforcement measures that are enacted into law. One activist writes at the Huffington Post that any amnesty package should terminate a program that prosecutes border infiltrators (it’s a misdemeanor on the first offense, a felony afterward). You would think they’d be willing to support such a program after an amnesty and after the Senate outline’s provision for effectively unlimited immigration go into effect. But apparently they understand better than clueless Republican pols that an amnesty bill will serve as a magnet for more illegal immigration because the enforcement promises are fake, and they want to make sure that flow is not impeded.

Also, the ACLU has made clear that it will wage a legal jihad against the provision mandating the screening of all new hires with the E-Verify system. E-Verify is the main enforcement bait the open-borders crowd holds out to attract naïve conservatives to back amnesty (though the Senate outline was careful not to mention E-Verify specifically, because Schumer wants to replace it with something “better,” a process which wouldn’t be completed until years after all the current illegals are legalized — if ever). Preventing its full implementation is key to crippling future enforcement and ensuring that illegal immigration continues.

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U.S. Sen. Ted Cruz (R-TX) issued the following statement regarding today’s bipartisan immigration reform proposal:

I appreciate the good work that senators in both parties have put into trying to fix our broken immigration system. There are some good elements in this proposal, especially increasing the resources and manpower to secure our border and also improving and streamlining legal immigration. However, I have deep concerns with the proposed path to citizenship. To allow those who came here illegally to be placed on such a path is both inconsistent with rule of law and profoundly unfair to the millions of legal immigrants who waited years, if not decades, to come to America legally.

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Today, Senator Mike Lee made the following statement with regard to the Statement of Principles on immigration reform released by the Group of Eight:…

I remain greatly supportive of what the group aims to accomplish and will continue to work with my colleagues to solve many of the challenges this important issue presents. Although I am encouraged by the process and continue to support efforts to make real progress on immigration reform, I am not able to sign the Statement of Principles released today.

These guidelines contemplate a policy that will grant special benefits to illegal immigrants based on their unlawful presence in the country. Reforms to our complex and dysfunctional immigration system should not in any way favor those who came here illegally over the millions of applicants who seek to come here lawfully.

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A House conservative who has taken a leading role in the lower chamber’s discussions on immigration, Rep. Raul Labrador (R-Idaho), said the ideas released Monday were “good principles” that were similar to those that members of both parties in the House were discussing.

But he said the group’s proposal for a path to citizenship stuck out as a concern and would be “tough” to accept in the House.

“I think that’s going to be one of the sticking points between the House and the Senate,” Labrador said. “We have to be careful about rewarding people for illegal activity with citizenship.”…

Labrador said he and other conservatives are looking for signs that President Obama wants a “policy victory” on immigration and not simply a “political victory” that comes from blaming Republicans for a failure to pass legislation.

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Which brings us back to Mr. Obama. The President will lay out his own reform principles Tuesday, but the question is whether he wants an achievement or a political issue. If he wants a genuine reform, the Senate framework shows how much Republicans have already moved his way. GOP leaders can read the 2012 exit polls, and thanks to the persuasion of Mr. Rubio, Jeb Bush and a few others, more conservatives are now more amenable to reform.

Yet neither Mr. Obama nor his White House have reached out to Mr. Rubio, and many Democrats want to use the immigration issue to drive turnout in election after election. Their goal is to have a legislative dance and then blame Republicans for killing reform sometime in 2014.

If that is Mr. Obama’s real goal, he’ll demand too much—by gutting the guest-worker program again or complicating it with too much bureaucracy, or by insisting on a quick and easy path to citizenship for illegals. Mr. Obama will have to decide if he wants a legacy of reform, or more partisanship.

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One of the things to look for is whether Obama has the good sense to lead from behind and not claim this plan as his own crusade. That is the surest way to piss off Congress, especially congressional Republicans, just as it is children and bosses. Letting them come up with the plan and showing a willingness to sign off on it would probably be the best bet. If it’s seen as Obama’s plan, they’ll reflexively oppose it. If it’s Marco Rubio’s plan, even if it bears little difference from Obama’s, Republicans—who want Hispanics’ love even more than a tax cut—will embrace it…

Getting to the finish line on immigration won’t be easy despite the new receptivity. There are policy questions: Will the E-Verify system be widely demanded or not? What’s the route to green cards? There are political ones: Can the tea party back off its tough stand on immigration? Can labor and Hispanic groups accept tougher documentation standards? There’s a reason we haven’t had a big immigration bill in more than a generation. Knowing when to have a light touch will require the president to be less assertive than he was in his inaugural address.

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“If we do succeed, and I think we will, it will be a testimonial to Ted Kennedy’s effort years ago that laid the groundwork for this agreement,” said Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.), a member of the bipartisan group of senators that on Monday backed a set of principles for comprehensive immigration reform.

“You will find that this agreement has very little difference from that of the legislation that was led by Sen. Kennedy some years ago.”

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“I think it’s important before we let the moment pass to acknowledge that the progress we’re seeing embodied in the priniciples put forward by this bipartisan group is happening for a reason: I think it’s happening because consensus is developing in the country, a bipartisan consensus, and it’s happening because the president has demonstrated significant leadership on this issue,” Carney said.

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Via Greg Hengler.


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Bishop!!

KCB on January 28, 2013 at 10:20 PM

Egg.

Bmore on January 28, 2013 at 10:20 PM

Second?

KCB on January 28, 2013 at 10:21 PM

HAH!!!!!

Solaratov on January 28, 2013 at 10:21 PM

lol you guys!!

Scrumpy on January 28, 2013 at 10:21 PM

Ooops. sorry wrong thread. What?

Bmore on January 28, 2013 at 10:21 PM

Guess not. Hi B!

KCB on January 28, 2013 at 10:21 PM

Or not…as the case may be. :(

Solaratov on January 28, 2013 at 10:21 PM

Howdy, yolkels.

Rusty Allen on January 28, 2013 at 10:22 PM

Hi KCB! Sorry about the egg thingy. It was to MKH.

Bmore on January 28, 2013 at 10:22 PM

We’ve Seen This Senate Amnesty Movie Before

Substantively, the main point of this outline is mass amnesty for all 11 million illegal aliens. The shiny objects the tricksters dangle about employment verification and border enforcement are nothing. They’re nonstarters for those who’ve paid attention to past immigration debates

INC on January 28, 2013 at 10:22 PM

I guess the squeaky floor gave me away as I was slinking to be first! lol

Scrumpy on January 28, 2013 at 10:22 PM

Keep in mind that the GOP can lose this in too ways .. it can pass a bad bill or walk away from a good bill

After listening around, I’m beginning to get the feeling that this “framework” may .. I stress may .. become a fairly decent bill.

I’m also beginning to sense that the Democrats are now trying to convince the GOP that it is a bad bill (since when has David Frum been right about anything). This allows them to show that they care more about Hispanics (but not those Mexicans that Fast and Furious helped killed) and keep this thorny issue alive that pays dividends for Democrats at the polls.

So far this is merely a “framework” not a bill. I suggest that we find out what it really is before forming a judgement.

J_Crater on January 28, 2013 at 10:23 PM

Good evening fellas and ladies!!

Scrumpy on January 28, 2013 at 10:23 PM

Nothing says “WE HAVE AMERICALAND’S BEST INTERESTS AT HEART” like a jpeg of Juan McCain, “Chuck You” Schumer, “Turban” Durbin, and “Jeb Pulls My Strings” Rubio.

Jeddite on January 28, 2013 at 10:24 PM

Is someone cooking eggs around here??

can_con on January 28, 2013 at 10:25 PM

This up next!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WwMWpP71aJ8

Scrumpy on January 28, 2013 at 10:25 PM

Last!
And I stand behind it.

Electrongod on January 28, 2013 at 10:26 PM

well, that cinches it

the only way to combat 11 million new Dem voters is to become the party of legal marijuana. Get on the train GOP

Slade73 on January 28, 2013 at 10:26 PM

Good evening fellas and ladies!!

Scrumpy on January 28, 2013 at 10:23 PM

Hello Chrissy and Tigger too.

KCB on January 28, 2013 at 10:26 PM

Substantively, the main point of this outline is mass amnesty for all 11 million illegal aliens. The shiny objects the tricksters dangle about employment verification and border enforcement are nothing. They’re nonstarters for those who’ve paid attention to past immigration debates

INC on January 28, 2013 at 10:22 PM

Another sad day for this country. I guess the deficit and wild spending is never going to be addressed.

JPeterman on January 28, 2013 at 10:27 PM

So far this is merely a “framework” not a bill. I suggest that we find out what it really is before forming a judgement.

J_Crater on January 28, 2013 at 10:23 PM

Nancy?

sauldalinsky on January 28, 2013 at 10:28 PM

I could just wipe that smirk off of Schumer’s face in the screen cap.

gophergirl on January 28, 2013 at 10:29 PM

Chuck Schumer just looks plain evil. Like a movie character or something.

visions on January 28, 2013 at 10:29 PM

J_Crater on January 28, 2013 at 10:23 PM

You must work on Capitol Hill. You already tried this on the other thread.

All we need to know about its “framework” is those who are “framing” it.

Even amnesty advocates acknowledge that the enforcement provisions of any package deal are bogus. For instance, over at the Plum Line, Greg Sargent writes about the Senate outline’s proposal for a commission of southwestern leaders to certify control over the border before the “provisionally” amnestied illegals get green cards:

And if this “commission” doesn’t ever decide the border is secure, couldn’t that result in 11 million people being stranded in second-class legal limbo?

That’s a legitimate worry, according to Frank Sharry, the executive director of America’s Voice, a group advocating for immigration reform. But he tells me that on a conference call yesterday, Democratic Senators reassured immigration advocates that this commission won’t be constructed in a way that will hold up the process for too long.

As Sharry put it, Democrats realize that they can’t “allow the commission to have a real veto” over setting in motion the path to citizenship. He noted that Dems see the commission as “something that gives the Republicans a talking point” to claim they are prioritizing tough enforcement, giving themselves cover to back a process that “won’t stop people from getting citizenship.”

In other words the certifying commission is a lie.

INC on January 28, 2013 at 10:30 PM

A marginalized group emerged from the shadows today to assert that they indeed have a voice, and a future, in American society. We speak, of course, of members of Congress.

Not even funny to me. Just disgusting.

Axe on January 28, 2013 at 10:30 PM

Hi everyone

trust me gg, Durbin and Menendez’s smirks were no better!

CoffeeLover on January 28, 2013 at 10:30 PM

Scrumpy is feeling all better. That means that she wiped out the sus…..japanese and the koreans too. ;-)

tommy71 on January 28, 2013 at 10:31 PM

I could just wipe that smirk off of Schumer’s face in the screen cap.

gophergirl on January 28, 2013 at 10:29 PM

I can’t stand to look at him. He’s so slimy. Oh and good evening GG!

KCB on January 28, 2013 at 10:31 PM

…there’s a sight for sore eyes…Schumer, McCain and Rubio!

KOOLAID2 on January 28, 2013 at 10:31 PM

Another sad day for this country. I guess the deficit and wild spending is never going to be addressed.

JPeterman on January 28, 2013 at 10:27 PM

That is salt on the wound.

The Republicans are not spending their time and energy working to fence in Obama and the Dems.

They’re not addressing power grabs. They’re spending their time with Dems crafting a “bipartisan” bill that a majority of Americans don’t want.

INC on January 28, 2013 at 10:32 PM

If that’s the standard Congress maintains for immigration reform, millions will be on a path to citizenship, and the nation will be on the high road to success.

Yeah, just like those paradises the immigrants all came from, right?

Cleombrotus on January 28, 2013 at 10:33 PM

“If we do succeed, and I think we will, it will be a testimonial to Ted Kennedy’s effort years ago that laid the groundwork for this agreement,” said Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.)

This is so dagblamed annoying!!

Scrumpy on January 28, 2013 at 10:33 PM

Fatal mistake to have the path to citizenship for illegal immigrants… Under no circumstances they should become citizens… not even a green card holders (permanent residents)… Issue them temporary working visa that can be renewed every five years if they have not committed any crimes (nit just the serious crimes) with a fee and no access to any benefits what so ever… Do not let them pay social security taxes or medicare taxes so they will not be entitled to those benefits in the future… Just they pay federal income tax and state income tax if there is one…

mnjg on January 28, 2013 at 10:33 PM

gg is trying to kick schumer with a sprained toe. Bad idea. ;-)

tommy71 on January 28, 2013 at 10:33 PM

Focusing on jobs…like a laser!

d1carter on January 28, 2013 at 10:34 PM

A marginalized group emerged from the shadows today to assert that they indeed have a voice, and a future, in American society. We speak, of course, of members of Congress.

Not even funny to me. Just disgusting.

Axe on January 28, 2013 at 10:30 PM

I agree. An oligarchy that lives at the expense of the rest of the country as they exempt themselves from the onerous parts of bills they inflict on the rest of us.

INC on January 28, 2013 at 10:35 PM

tommy71 on January 28, 2013 at 10:31 PM

Done and done!! ;-)

I was hungry like a bear who’d hibernated the winter away!!

Scrumpy on January 28, 2013 at 10:35 PM

Hillary would have fixed this by now.

Rusty Allen on January 28, 2013 at 10:36 PM

First Menendez hires non Union hookers and now he won’t dignify them with a comment?

war on womenzes

Slade73 on January 28, 2013 at 10:36 PM

gg is trying to kick schumer with a sprained toe. Bad idea. ;-)

tommy71 on January 28, 2013 at 10:33 PM

It won’t go away either – grrrrr

gophergirl on January 28, 2013 at 10:36 PM

If that’s the standard Congress maintains for immigration reform, millions will be on a path to citizenship, and the nation will be on the high road to success.

Yeah, just like those paradises the immigrants all came from, right?

Cleombrotus on January 28, 2013 at 10:33 PM

:( Never heard it called that before.

Next time I flush a toilet, I’m going to shout down the pipe, “Don’t worry! You’re on the high road to success!”

Axe on January 28, 2013 at 10:36 PM

I would not trust one thing that Schumer has his fingers on.

onlineanalyst on January 28, 2013 at 10:37 PM

I never thought I’d witness the descent of the country into a one-party oligarchy. And if I did, it would be because of a second civil war.

Nah. The Republicans are just surrendering. Hope those cocktail parties you 30 senators and 110 Congressmen will get invited to in the future by your betters are AWESOME.

Darin on January 28, 2013 at 10:38 PM

Scrumpy on January 28, 2013 at 10:33 PM

Oh man, when will he ever retire?

Cleombrotus on January 28, 2013 at 10:39 PM

So I finally got my health care costs for next year. Up 13%. Not terrible as I thought it would be worse than that.

Wonder if people will connect the dots.

gophergirl on January 28, 2013 at 10:39 PM

Just give it some time, gg. Its winter. Takes time to heal. I sprained my ankle a month and a half ago, but still, a niggle persists.

tommy71 on January 28, 2013 at 10:40 PM

Nah. The Republicans are just surrendering. Hope those cocktail parties you 30 senators and 110 Congressmen will get invited to in the future by your betters are AWESOME.

Darin on January 28, 2013 at 10:38 PM

The Republicans are just revealing themselves for what they are. They never intended to fight, because they never believed in what they campaigned on.

sharrukin on January 28, 2013 at 10:40 PM

Not to throw cold water on any of it at the QOTD, but all this has got me to thinking that we are just going to quit growing. Everyone was funning over at the Egg thread, the whole Solis debacle with farm labor and Sesqui and he/she stupid global warming crap that RWM rightly blew a hole in, it all adds up that we will stop growing. We will get to the point where we keep looking in, where we stop being pioneers, explorers at least in the rugged sense. It won’t be some catastrophe, the world will end with the Sun, people will survive wars, famine and the like for sure, but you already see it now. Birth rates are off with a lot of cultures, eventually it will continue with the others, we engineer ourselves too much inward. We have gotten lazy, distracted, apathetic. Nature will eventually remind us that we are not the smartest thing on the planet no doubt. We won’t run out of oil, energy, forest or that, and we will see mass die offs of humans again, be it by our hand with war or by natures, she’ll get us with a strain that we can’t cure because we have inoculated ourselves to death and become immune to the fact that we can’t beat her. No, in a way I am having an abstract Axe moment, I guess because stopped wondering to the point we will do something. If someone said that they were headed to Mars to terra form tomorrow I would pack up Mrs MarshFox(Lila Munro) and go and never look back, even if it meant never coming back. Why, because we weren’t meant to be stacked on top of each other like we are, and it would be harsh, and hard there, only the rugged would go, which means freedom would be mine again, so would reality. Guess in the end my trapper cabin will have to suffice, but when will they come encroach on me there, the libfrees, sesquis, HALs, they won’t stop, yet somehow I think that in the end, and we probably won’t see it, our thoughts here will finally see vindication, because we will return to the simpler life!

MarshFox on January 28, 2013 at 10:42 PM

In other words the certifying commission is a lie.

INC on January 28, 2013 at 10:30 PM

Wish your comments on this issue weren’t so concise and clear. There’s very little wiggle room for self-deception.

Axe on January 28, 2013 at 10:42 PM

I agree. An oligarchy that lives at the expense of the rest of the country as they exempt themselves from the onerous parts of bills they inflict on the rest of us.

INC on January 28, 2013 at 10:35 PM

And where is it in the Constitution that says we have to kneel at the altar of the almighty phking illegal alien?

*hits forehead with hand* I forgot, we no longer use the Constitution.

TxAnn56 on January 28, 2013 at 10:42 PM

Bishop!!

KCB on January 28, 2013 at 10:20 PM

If you were smart you would find an American “Coyote” to smuggle you into Mexico.

Bishop on January 28, 2013 at 10:42 PM

The Republicans are just revealing themselves for what they are. They never intended to fight, because they never believed in what they campaigned on.

sharrukin on January 28, 2013 at 10:40 PM

There are a select few fighting.

gophergirl on January 28, 2013 at 10:42 PM

Sorry I’m late I’ve been hunting skeet.

Shot at a couple but missed. Soon as I get one I’m bringing it home for b9 to cook.

SparkPlug on January 28, 2013 at 10:43 PM

The Republicans are not spending their time and energy working to fence in Obama and the Dems.

They’re not addressing power grabs. They’re spending their time with Dems crafting a “bipartisan” bill that a majority of Americans don’t want.

INC on January 28, 2013 at 10:32 PM

There is no difference between the Democrats or the Republicans any more.

And since we’re going to let these 11 million in here on a free ride, will they also get thrown into the unemployment figures?

JPeterman on January 28, 2013 at 10:44 PM

MarshFox on January 28, 2013 at 10:42 PM

There is seriously no good news anymore. Ever notice that?

Cleombrotus on January 28, 2013 at 10:44 PM

@MarshFox uh…..um…..k. Whatever you say. Sort of.

tommy71 on January 28, 2013 at 10:44 PM

MarshFox on January 28, 2013 at 10:42 PM

Spoken like the PIONEER you are!! Well said!

I have no fear you and Mrs Marshfox (not her real name) will survive and thrive!!

Scrumpy on January 28, 2013 at 10:44 PM

But half of our new unauthorized immigrants come from a single country a day’s drive away–a nation with a not-implausible claim to much of our Southwestern territory.

.
Can someone explain this plausible claim?

News2Use on January 28, 2013 at 10:45 PM

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Senators almost literally falling over each other to answer questions and get in complementary points as news conference comes to a close – seems to be real enthusiasm to move this proposal forward and spread its ideas, at least among this group.

by Reuters Politics 3:19 PM

Schumer explains that upon the passage of their proposal as a bill, there would be an immediate clearance for working and living legally in the U.S., with a path to citizenship.

by Reuters Politics 3:16 PM

“Vamanos!” McCain offers when discussing importance of passing reform and ensuring that issue of large numbers in U.S. illegally doesn’t arise again.

by Reuters Politics 3:13 PM

Rubio also closes his brief remarks in Spanish, references his family’s history of immigrantion to the United States.

by Reuters Politics 3:03 PM

… And Rubio takes the podium, joking to McCain that he “doesn’t agree with anything Bob just said about you in Spanish.”

by Reuters Politics 3:00 PM

Menendez offers remarks in Spanish to end his portion of the press conference.

by Reuters Politics 2:58 PM

Menendez says proposal’s road to citizenship for immigrants in the U.S. illegally “will be an arduous one, but a fair one.”

by Reuters Politics 2:57 PM

Senators not present who are in the so called “Immigration Gang of 8″ are Flake (R-AZ), Graham (R-SC), Bennet (D-CO). Full rundown of the group here from the Washington Post.

by Reuters Politics 2:54 PM

Senators on stage, one more time: McCain (R-AZ), Schumer (D-NY), Durbin (D-IL), Rubio (R-FL), Menendez (D-NJ)

by Reuters Politics 2:49 PM

McCain on immigrants currently in U.S. illegally: “I think everyone agrees that it’s not been beneficial to our country to have these people here, hiding in the shadows.”

by Reuters Politics 2:47 PM

Reuters: Schumer says hopes for Senate passage of immigration reform bill by mid-year

by Reuters Politics 2:45 PM

McCain emphasizes importance of technology as part of border security / enforcement part of proposal, including UAVs (unmanned aerial vehicles) and radar, mentions importance of this issue in his home state of Arizona.

by Reuters Politics 2:44 PM

Schumer introduces McCain as “the glue of our group” of senators from both sides involved in the reform proposal. McCain thanks other presents onstage Rubio and Menendez, as well as
Graham (“uncharacteristically absent from this gathering”).

by Reuters Politics 2:42 PM

Schumer, taking lead at presser, emphasizes proposed bipartisan framework of enabling illegal immigrants in country currently to have a path to citizenship, but only along with efforts to secure borders against future illegal immigration.

by Reuters Politics 2:41 PM

canopfor on January 28, 2013 at 10:45 PM

There are a select few fighting.

gophergirl on January 28, 2013 at 10:42 PM

Kudos to Senator Jeff Sessions from my ancestral home of Alabama. He and DeMint were on the front lines in 2006/2007. And Rep. Steve King of Iowa.

TxAnn56 on January 28, 2013 at 10:45 PM

The good thing is that once the 20 million illegals are made citizens they won’t be replaced by 20 million new illegals.

Nosiree bob, I doubt word has gotten out that you want to be in-country soon so as to claim your American citizenship.

Bishop on January 28, 2013 at 10:46 PM

There are a select few fighting.

gophergirl on January 28, 2013 at 10:42 PM

Yes there are. Too few, but there are some. I heard that Cruz hasn’t said what his position is, so it may be even fewer than we imagine.

sharrukin on January 28, 2013 at 10:46 PM

Can someone explain this plausible claim?

News2Use on January 28, 2013 at 10:45 PM

it has something to do with Davey Crockett

Slade73 on January 28, 2013 at 10:46 PM

Yes there are. Too few, but there are some. I heard that Cruz hasn’t said what his position is, so it may be even fewer than we imagine.

sharrukin on January 28, 2013 at 10:46 PM

Cruz is against.

gophergirl on January 28, 2013 at 10:46 PM

Bishop on January 28, 2013 at 10:42 PM

Oh, uh Hi Bishop!

KCB on January 28, 2013 at 10:47 PM

Can someone explain this plausible claim?

News2Use on January 28, 2013 at 10:45 PM

The claim is that since the territories were taken by force in the Mexican-American war they are illegitimate. It’s nonsense, but that is what they mean.

sharrukin on January 28, 2013 at 10:48 PM

The bipartisan love affair. What a sight to behold!

tommy71 on January 28, 2013 at 10:48 PM

“As I’ve stated before, elections, elections,” said McCain, who along with seven colleagues spoke out at a Monday afternoon Capitol Hill press conference about a set of bipartisan principles for reform they had released a day earlier.

“The Republican Party is losing the support of our Hispanic citizens, and we realize there are many issues in which we think we are in agreement with our Hispanic citizens, but this is a pre-eminent issue for those citizens,” said McCain, his party’s standard-bearer in the 2008 presidential election.

In 1980, Carter received 56% of the Hispanic vote while Reagan only got 37% — a difference of 19%.

In 1984, Mondale received 66% of the Hispanic vote while Reagan only got 34.82% — a difference of 31.18%.

In 1986, President Ronald Reagan signed The Immigration Reform and Control Act of 1986 a/k/a Simpson-Mazzilo into law, which granted amnesty to 3 million illegal immigrants, the vast majority of which were Hispanic.

In 1988, Michael Dukakis won 70.15% of the Hispanic vote while the Vice-President of the man who legalised millions of Hispanics, George H W Bush, received a mere 30.85% — a difference of 39.3%.

If Hispanics could be purchased with amnesty, then they would have overwhelmingly voted Republican in 1988. They didn’t so that should tell the “brains” in the GOP something.

Continuing on…

In 1992, Bill Clinton won 61% of the Hispanic vote while President George H.W. Bush won 25% – a difference of 36%.

In 1996, President Bill Clinton won 72% of the Hispanic vote while Senator Bob Dole received a mere 21% – a difference of 51%.

In 2000, Vice-President Al Gore won 62% of the Hispanic vote while George W Bush won only 35% – a difference of 27%.

In 2004, Senator John Kerry won 58% of the Hispanic vote while President George W Bush won 40% – a difference of 18%.

In 2008, Senator Barack Obama, who voted AGAINST President Bush’s immigration reform, won 67% of the Hispanic vote while Senator John McAmnesty won a mere 31% – a difference of 36%.

In 2012, President Barack Obama won 71% of the Hispanic vote while Mitt Romney won only 27% – a difference of 44%.

Resist We Much on January 28, 2013 at 10:49 PM

Cruz is against.

gophergirl on January 28, 2013 at 10:46 PM

At least some good news.

sharrukin on January 28, 2013 at 10:49 PM

Kudos to Senator Jeff Sessions from my ancestral home of Alabama. He and DeMint were on the front lines in 2006/2007. And Rep. Steve King of Iowa.

TxAnn56 on January 28, 2013 at 10:45 PM

Yep!

Mike Lee and Ted Cruz too. Both are all over this.

gophergirl on January 28, 2013 at 10:49 PM

MeanWhile…………..

Republican Rep. Lamar Smith pans Senate immigration proposal as ‘amnesty’ for illegal immigrants – @thehill

6 hours ago from thehill.com by editor
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“When you legalize those who are in the country illegally, it costs taxpayers millions of dollars, costs American workers thousands of jobs and encourages more illegal immigration,” Smith said in a brief statement. “By granting amnesty, the Senate proposal actually compounds the problem by encouraging more illegal immigration.”
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http://thehill.com/homenews/house/279625-house-republican-pans-amnesty-in-senate-immigration-plan

canopfor on January 28, 2013 at 10:49 PM

Yes there are. Too few, but there are some. I heard that Cruz hasn’t said what his position is, so it may be even fewer than we imagine.

sharrukin on January 28, 2013 at 10:46 PM

Cruz’s statement today. Weak, but a start. He’s about to be pummelled with more outrage this week.

TxAnn56 on January 28, 2013 at 10:50 PM

All this time I had amnesty and Amtrak confused. I get off the rails sometimes.

Rusty Allen on January 28, 2013 at 10:50 PM

There is a certain group of illegal immigrants who monopolize social services. I won’t say who they are until its time for their siesta. I don’t want La Raza to stalk me

SparkPlug on January 28, 2013 at 10:50 PM

I could just wipe that smirk off of Schumer’s face in the screen cap.

gophergirl on January 28, 2013 at 10:29 PM

Shumer is thinking, “I can’t believe these a-holes are so f’ing stupid.”

McCain looks like he is about to have the “big one.” False alarm.

bw222 on January 28, 2013 at 10:50 PM

Yowza! Trying again…

In 1980, Carter received 56% of the Hispanic vote while Reagan only got 37% — a difference of 19%.

In 1984, Mondale received 66% of the Hispanic vote while Reagan only got 34.82% — a difference of 31.18%.

In 1986, President Ronald Reagan signed The Immigration Reform and Control Act of 1986 a/k/a Simpson-Mazzilo into law, which granted amnesty to 3 million illegal immigrants, the vast majority of which were Hispanic.

In 1988, Michael Dukakis won 70.15% of the Hispanic vote while the Vice-President of the man who legalised millions of Hispanics, George H W Bush, received a mere 30.85% — a difference of 39.3%.

If Hispanics could be purchased with amnesty, then they would have overwhelmingly voted Republican in 1988. They didn’t so that should tell the “brains” in the GOP something.

Continuing on…

In 1992, Bill Clinton won 61% of the Hispanic vote while President George H.W. Bush won 25% – a difference of 36%.

In 1996, President Bill Clinton won 72% of the Hispanic vote while Senator Bob Dole received a mere 21% – a difference of 51%.

In 2000, Vice-President Al Gore won 62% of the Hispanic vote while George W Bush won only 35% – a difference of 27%.

In 2004, Senator John Kerry won 58% of the Hispanic vote while President George W Bush won 40% – a difference of 18%.

In 2008, Senator Barack Obama, who voted AGAINST President Bush’s immigration reform, won 67% of the Hispanic vote while Senator John McAmnesty won a mere 31% – a difference of 36%.

In 2012, President Barack Obama won 71% of the Hispanic vote while Mitt Romney won only 27% – a difference of 44%.

Resist We Much on January 28, 2013 at 10:50 PM

Why, because we weren’t meant to be stacked on top of each other like we are…

MarshFox on January 28, 2013 at 10:42 PM

I know some people get tired of hearing the Founders’ wisdom but you reminded me of a Thomas Jefferson quote:

When we get piled upon one another in large cities, as in Europe, we shall become as corrupt as Europe.

Fallon on January 28, 2013 at 10:51 PM

At least some good news.

sharrukin on January 28, 2013 at 10:49 PM

There a handful of Senators and congress people who are holding firm on this, the debt ceiling, the crap to Egypt, the gun control crap, Sandy pork, etc.

God bless them.

gophergirl on January 28, 2013 at 10:51 PM

Oh, uh Hi Bishop!

KCB on January 28, 2013 at 10:47 PM

You can say to St. Peter.

Bishop on January 28, 2013 at 10:51 PM

Cruz is against.

gophergirl on January 28, 2013 at 10:46 PM

He’s been in office for 3 weeks, he’ll become entrenched with the rest of the idiots and will eventually cave.

JPeterman on January 28, 2013 at 10:51 PM

Cleombrotus on January 28, 2013 at 10:44 PM

That is very true, actually SWalker has the corner market on that, he’s really hit the nail on the head at how treasonous the world media, but in particular how bad ours has been. They enable the subjugation, period!

MarshFox on January 28, 2013 at 10:52 PM

Wish your comments on this issue weren’t so concise and clear. There’s very little wiggle room for self-deception.

Axe on January 28, 2013 at 10:42 PM

:)

The great enemy of clear language is insincerity. When there is a gap between one’s real and one’s declared aims, one turns as it were instinctively to long words and exhausted idioms, like a cuttlefish spurting out ink.

George Orwell, Politics and the English Language.

INC on January 28, 2013 at 10:52 PM

Cruz’s statement today. Weak, but a start. He’s about to be pummelled with more outrage this week.

TxAnn56 on January 28, 2013 at 10:50 PM

However, I have deep concerns with the proposed path to citizenship. To allow those who came here illegally to be placed on such a path is both inconsistent with rule of law and profoundly unfair to the millions of legal immigrants who waited years, if not decades, to come to America legally. - Ted Cruz

That seems alright. There doesn’t seem to be much in the way of weasel words in that.

sharrukin on January 28, 2013 at 10:52 PM

gophergirl on January 28, 2013 at 10:49 PM

One of the reports from a NumbersUSA caller said that a Cruz aide cried when she was grilled on his position because the calls had been overwhelming. They were giving out the “the senator has to see what’s in the bill” line during the day and people were demanding his position.

TxAnn56 on January 28, 2013 at 10:53 PM

Cruz’s statement today. Weak, but a start. He’s about to be pummelled with more outrage this week.

TxAnn56 on January 28, 2013 at 10:50 PM

TxAnn56:

I do hope,that your back-yard,isn’t really close to the
Mex/Texas Border:)

Yup,speaking out,will get you that,considering the way the
MSM/Proxies,will be in Silencing Mode:)

canopfor on January 28, 2013 at 10:53 PM

Once we get done digesting the MFing population of Mexico we are going to feel like we ate a sloppy jose burrito with an x-lax chaser.

SparkPlug on January 28, 2013 at 10:54 PM

As an illegal, which a Texan is in the minds of the Beltway Bilge, I am quite proud of that status and only wish I could make it permanent. Being a citizen of the United States, unfortunately, is becoming less and less desirable as time goes by.

TXUS on January 28, 2013 at 10:55 PM

One of the reports from a NumbersUSA caller said that a Cruz aide cried when she was grilled on his position because the calls had been overwhelming. They were giving out the “the senator has to see what’s in the bill” line during the day and people were demanding his position.

TxAnn56 on January 28, 2013 at 10:53 PM

Poor thing – I hope he gave her the afternoon off.

gophergirl on January 28, 2013 at 10:56 PM

Keep in mind that the GOP can lose this in too ways .. it can pass a bad bill or walk away from a good bill

After listening around, I’m beginning to get the feeling that this “framework” may .. I stress may .. become a fairly decent bill.

J_Crater on January 28, 2013 at 10:23 PM

STFD and STFU. There are no good immigration reform bills. There are only worthless lying a$$hole politicians pushing crap on the American people which will screw the American people and personally benefit those politicians.

SWalker on January 28, 2013 at 10:56 PM

That seems alright. There doesn’t seem to be much in the way of weasel words in that.

sharrukin on January 28, 2013 at 10:52 PM

I learned with Cornyn in the 2006/2007 battle that if the initial response isn’t a solid, no way in hell, you’ve got to crank up the outrage and keep it going.

TxAnn56 on January 28, 2013 at 10:56 PM

ϕ

equanimous on January 28, 2013 at 10:56 PM

If you were smart you would find an American “Coyote” to smuggle you into Mexico.

Bishop on January 28, 2013 at 10:42 PM

There’s a lot of truth to that. All the misfits Mexico doesn’t want will be here, living of the U.S. Taxpayers.

bw222 on January 28, 2013 at 10:56 PM

i didn’t read any of this stuff, or watch any of the vids. I did however read this post, which i thought pretty much sums up the day

canopfor on January 28, 2013 at 10:45 PM

except I would add one thing, that the left is again in a giggle-snort mood…via WaPo article about barry bigfooting the process with a more ‘liberal’ approach (not too sure we can have those long wait times guys…we need those vote Now..the Urgency of Now)

Angela Kelley, an immigration expert at the Center for American Progress, a liberal think tank, called the parallel efforts “a healthy competition” between the White House and the Senate.

so this is a competition between the ‘center’, barry the lib, and the open borders and indigenous peoples’ rights lawyers

think of it as an open out-cry auction

r keller on January 28, 2013 at 10:56 PM

Results for #immigration

https://twitter.com/search?q=%23immigration&src=hash

The New Yorker ‏@NewYorker

MT @tnyjohncassidy: Why guaranteeing a Green Card to all foreign-born science graduates is a bad idea. http://nyr.kr/14p5xSS
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Michelle Malkin ‏@michellemalkin

Criminey. RT @MarkSKrikorian There’s a bipartisan amnesty gang in the House, too: http://www.star-telegram.com/2013/01/27/4579162/stealth-lawmakers-secretly-crafted.html … … #immigration

canopfor on January 28, 2013 at 10:57 PM

I learned with Cornyn in the 2006/2007 battle that if the initial response isn’t a solid, no way in hell, you’ve got to crank up the outrage and keep it going.

TxAnn56 on January 28, 2013 at 10:56 PM

Can’t argue there. The GOP hasn’t exactly earned anyone’s trust.

sharrukin on January 28, 2013 at 10:57 PM

MarshFox on January 28, 2013 at 10:42 PM

OT/Cross-post:

Kids are expensive to raise. Why would any responsible adult bring one into the world knowing that he or she couldn’t afford to raise it without welfare?

JimLennon on January 28, 2013 at 1:14 PM

It brings up an interesting point. Imagine this: believing the world is a place where you and the people around you are growing and building, and where you and the people around you look at your own futures optimistically and enthusiastically and can’t wait to hand all your huge dreams and hard work over to your sons and daughters to continue on.

Now, re-read JimLennon’s assessment.

Without making any judgement’s at all about whether JimLennon’s assessment is right, the first attitude might be expected to fill the streets with fat humanlets, and the second, to empty them out.

Axe on January 28, 2013 at 8:11 PM

http://hotair.com/greenroom/archives/2013/01/28/chicago-tribune-wonders-say-where-are-all-the-children/comment-page-1/#comment-141850

Axe on January 28, 2013 at 10:57 PM

As an illegal, which a Texan is in the minds of the Beltway Bilge, I am quite proud of that status and only wish I could make it permanent. Being a citizen of the United States, unfortunately, is becoming less and less desirable as time goes by.

TXUS on January 28, 2013 at 10:55 PM

I was in a meeting and someone made a crack about Texas being “another country”. I had to bite my tongue not to make a smarta$$ed comment.

gophergirl on January 28, 2013 at 10:59 PM

SparkPlug on January 28, 2013 at 10:50 PM

Watch yer back!!

I got the front!

Scrumpy on January 28, 2013 at 10:59 PM

tommy71 on January 28, 2013 at 10:44 PM

Don’t worry, just a rant, seem we don’t want to be free anymore. We will end up like the Maya, Aztecs, Mesopotamian and so on, we will grow so big, then we just stop, I just think it will happen on a world scale.

Scrumpy on January 28, 2013 at 10:44 PM

We will, and thanks for the encouragement, it just seems like if you want a quite slow life, you can’t and that if you do your some type of outcast, plus all this racing for the next greatest thing and yet galaxies exist, but we settle for american Idol and whatever reality show is next.

MarshFox on January 28, 2013 at 11:00 PM

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