Quotes of the day

posted at 10:19 pm on January 28, 2013 by Allahpundit

A marginalized group emerged from the shadows today to assert that they indeed have a voice, and a future, in American society. We speak, of course, of members of Congress. After years of scurrying for political cover, a brave handful of senators held a daylight, weekday news conference in Washington to present — in writing — a surprisingly detailed outline for overhauling the nation’s immigration laws…

Trey Gowdy, a second-term Republican who is chairman of the House Judiciary Committee’s immigration subcommittee, is known as a hawk on illegal immigration. Yet he told a newspaper in his home state of South Carolina that he wants a system that reflects “the humanity that I think defines us as a people, and the respect for the rule of law that defines us as a republic.” If that’s the standard Congress maintains for immigration reform, millions will be on a path to citizenship, and the nation will be on the high road to success.

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Advocates expect to lose at least five Democrats in the Senate, which means they will need upwards of a dozen Republicans to vote for the legislation. That’s where Rubio and other tea party favorites like Sen. Mike Lee of Utah will come into play. Rubio and Lee are newcomers to an old discussion among Republican veterans like McCain and Sen. Lindsey Graham of South Carolina. Newly elected Sen. Jeff Flake of Arizona will be a key Republican player as well…

Boehner has to be careful. He only has so many chances to put incendiary legislation on the floor before his caucus stages an all-out revolt. To appease them, he will probably offer one or two high-profile House votes, where Democrats will protest like crazy, on enforcement-only immigration legislation. That gets the dealmakers to the next step, a conference committee where anything can happen. As Kennedy was fond of saying, “We’ll fix it in conference.”

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“As I’ve stated before, elections, elections,” said McCain, who along with seven colleagues spoke out at a Monday afternoon Capitol Hill press conference about a set of bipartisan principles for reform they had released a day earlier.

“The Republican Party is losing the support of our Hispanic citizens, and we realize there are many issues in which we think we are in agreement with our Hispanic citizens, but this is a pre-eminent issue for those citizens,” said McCain, his party’s standard-bearer in the 2008 presidential election.

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Why won’t this new reform be a repeat of the 1986 reform, when the amnesty provisions were implemented but the enforcement half was blocked by ACLU-style lawsuits and bureaucratic weakness? The result was a broken border and the approximately 11 million new unauthorized immigrants we’re talking about giving amnesty to today. (If it wouldn’t bother you if an Obama amnesty attracted millions of new unauthorized immigrants, then let’s be open about that.)…

Are we really that good at assimilating? Yes, American culture is powerful. But now there is an entrenched lobby for bilingual education, and identity politics curricula that teach young people they’re right to resist assimilation. Formal and informal race preferences reward Americans for maintaining separate ethnic identies. And then there’s Univision, which would go out of business if too many people spoke the common language.

Isn’t Mexico special? Other immigrants had to cross oceans and cut ties to get here–and many still do. But half of our new unauthorized immigrants come from a single country a day’s drive away–a nation with a not-implausible claim to much of our Southwestern territory. The “border” may mean something else to them than it does to us, or to other immigrants. Everywhere else in the world this is a recipe for turmoil. Why are we immune?

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As the Hispanic electorate becomes less Cuban, more Mexican and Central American, it becomes less susceptible to GOP cultural themes. The claim that Hispanic voters are “natural Republicans” is based on nothing but wishful thinking, fortified by ignorance.

Economically struggling Hispanics need and want more government than the GOP will offer them, and the 11 million illegals soon to embark on their “path to citizenship” will need and want even more: Earned Income Tax Credits, Medicaid, Section 8 housing, food stamps, and so on. Even into the fourth generation after joining the American workforce, Mexican-Americans remain strikingly less likely to finish college than Anglo-Americans.

It’s not true for everyone, of course, but it’s true for enough to ensure that Democrats will win the larger share of the Hispanic vote for a long time to come.

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By definition, creating a path to citizenship turns illegal aliens into potential voters, and any serious analysis of Hispanic opinion tells you that those new voters’ interests and beliefs will tend to align with the Democratic Party. No, not necessarily forever, but across the next few decades of American politics there is simply no plausible case that gratitude to Marco Rubio and Jeff Flake will convert a liberal-leaning voting bloc into a true swing constituency, let alone a Republican-tilting demographic. Which makes it very, very easy to imagine a future where immigration reform helps Republicans win a slightly higher percentage of the Hispanic vote, but costs them many more votes in absolute terms by accelerating the ongoing demographic shifts in the electorate. (And that’s without getting into the incentives that such a deal would create for future migration, or its disillusioning impact on the working class white voters the G.O.P. still can’t win without …)

Presumably these costs would be reduced if the reform’s path to citizenship were long and arduous enough, with more waiting and more hurdles than a straightforward amnesty. But then the immediate political benefits to Republicans become much more uncertain as well, since they would still be playing the “bad cop” role in a policy debate that would no doubt extend for many years after the initial bill were passed. (The ads write themselves: “Republican candidate X says that he supports immigration reform, but he’s voted again and again to keep hardworking immigrants in legal limbo, deny their children benefits, etc. …”)

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[O]pen-borders advocacy groups are signaling that they will fight any enforcement measures that are enacted into law. One activist writes at the Huffington Post that any amnesty package should terminate a program that prosecutes border infiltrators (it’s a misdemeanor on the first offense, a felony afterward). You would think they’d be willing to support such a program after an amnesty and after the Senate outline’s provision for effectively unlimited immigration go into effect. But apparently they understand better than clueless Republican pols that an amnesty bill will serve as a magnet for more illegal immigration because the enforcement promises are fake, and they want to make sure that flow is not impeded.

Also, the ACLU has made clear that it will wage a legal jihad against the provision mandating the screening of all new hires with the E-Verify system. E-Verify is the main enforcement bait the open-borders crowd holds out to attract naïve conservatives to back amnesty (though the Senate outline was careful not to mention E-Verify specifically, because Schumer wants to replace it with something “better,” a process which wouldn’t be completed until years after all the current illegals are legalized — if ever). Preventing its full implementation is key to crippling future enforcement and ensuring that illegal immigration continues.

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U.S. Sen. Ted Cruz (R-TX) issued the following statement regarding today’s bipartisan immigration reform proposal:

I appreciate the good work that senators in both parties have put into trying to fix our broken immigration system. There are some good elements in this proposal, especially increasing the resources and manpower to secure our border and also improving and streamlining legal immigration. However, I have deep concerns with the proposed path to citizenship. To allow those who came here illegally to be placed on such a path is both inconsistent with rule of law and profoundly unfair to the millions of legal immigrants who waited years, if not decades, to come to America legally.

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Today, Senator Mike Lee made the following statement with regard to the Statement of Principles on immigration reform released by the Group of Eight:…

I remain greatly supportive of what the group aims to accomplish and will continue to work with my colleagues to solve many of the challenges this important issue presents. Although I am encouraged by the process and continue to support efforts to make real progress on immigration reform, I am not able to sign the Statement of Principles released today.

These guidelines contemplate a policy that will grant special benefits to illegal immigrants based on their unlawful presence in the country. Reforms to our complex and dysfunctional immigration system should not in any way favor those who came here illegally over the millions of applicants who seek to come here lawfully.

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A House conservative who has taken a leading role in the lower chamber’s discussions on immigration, Rep. Raul Labrador (R-Idaho), said the ideas released Monday were “good principles” that were similar to those that members of both parties in the House were discussing.

But he said the group’s proposal for a path to citizenship stuck out as a concern and would be “tough” to accept in the House.

“I think that’s going to be one of the sticking points between the House and the Senate,” Labrador said. “We have to be careful about rewarding people for illegal activity with citizenship.”…

Labrador said he and other conservatives are looking for signs that President Obama wants a “policy victory” on immigration and not simply a “political victory” that comes from blaming Republicans for a failure to pass legislation.

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Which brings us back to Mr. Obama. The President will lay out his own reform principles Tuesday, but the question is whether he wants an achievement or a political issue. If he wants a genuine reform, the Senate framework shows how much Republicans have already moved his way. GOP leaders can read the 2012 exit polls, and thanks to the persuasion of Mr. Rubio, Jeb Bush and a few others, more conservatives are now more amenable to reform.

Yet neither Mr. Obama nor his White House have reached out to Mr. Rubio, and many Democrats want to use the immigration issue to drive turnout in election after election. Their goal is to have a legislative dance and then blame Republicans for killing reform sometime in 2014.

If that is Mr. Obama’s real goal, he’ll demand too much—by gutting the guest-worker program again or complicating it with too much bureaucracy, or by insisting on a quick and easy path to citizenship for illegals. Mr. Obama will have to decide if he wants a legacy of reform, or more partisanship.

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One of the things to look for is whether Obama has the good sense to lead from behind and not claim this plan as his own crusade. That is the surest way to piss off Congress, especially congressional Republicans, just as it is children and bosses. Letting them come up with the plan and showing a willingness to sign off on it would probably be the best bet. If it’s seen as Obama’s plan, they’ll reflexively oppose it. If it’s Marco Rubio’s plan, even if it bears little difference from Obama’s, Republicans—who want Hispanics’ love even more than a tax cut—will embrace it…

Getting to the finish line on immigration won’t be easy despite the new receptivity. There are policy questions: Will the E-Verify system be widely demanded or not? What’s the route to green cards? There are political ones: Can the tea party back off its tough stand on immigration? Can labor and Hispanic groups accept tougher documentation standards? There’s a reason we haven’t had a big immigration bill in more than a generation. Knowing when to have a light touch will require the president to be less assertive than he was in his inaugural address.

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“If we do succeed, and I think we will, it will be a testimonial to Ted Kennedy’s effort years ago that laid the groundwork for this agreement,” said Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.), a member of the bipartisan group of senators that on Monday backed a set of principles for comprehensive immigration reform.

“You will find that this agreement has very little difference from that of the legislation that was led by Sen. Kennedy some years ago.”

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“I think it’s important before we let the moment pass to acknowledge that the progress we’re seeing embodied in the priniciples put forward by this bipartisan group is happening for a reason: I think it’s happening because consensus is developing in the country, a bipartisan consensus, and it’s happening because the president has demonstrated significant leadership on this issue,” Carney said.

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Via Greg Hengler.


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Dear Virginia: There is a Santa Clause, but there is no help coming to your rescue if you elect McAuliffe as your next governor.

A Santa Clause? As in the Tim Allen movie?

Ward Cleaver on May 17, 2013 at 7:28 PM

Terry Mac is a stooge in so many ways, his energy stance is only one of them.

Don’t pull a Minnesota, you Virginians, just don’t. They’re planning a massive tax increase for us this year and we don’t have oil to cushion the blow.

Bishop on May 17, 2013 at 7:30 PM

but he’s such a dedicated public servant. he even left his wife in labor to attend a political fundraiser. /

Lost in Jersey on May 17, 2013 at 7:36 PM

Four comments or bust.

viking01 on May 17, 2013 at 7:50 PM

If we elect Terry we are done. Cuccinelli is the real deal, but these morons in NoVa will probably screw it up.

La Troienne on May 17, 2013 at 7:57 PM

McAuliffe is an awful choice but I’ve got to say that one of the Dems running for LT Gov is even more intriguing. He’s actually running as a proud former member of the Obama administration. Can’t let the stupid women that vote with their private parts and all the illegals that are on the commonwealth’s rolls forget just who cares about the 2012 elections

Happy Nomad on May 17, 2013 at 8:30 PM

Could Virginia voters be any more stupid than Minnesota voters….

crosshugger on May 17, 2013 at 8:34 PM

I’ll never vote for that apostate Terry.

Spade on May 17, 2013 at 8:36 PM

The local free papers around Charlottesville are promoting MacAwful pretty shamelessly. And the local news has been constantly running negative stories about McDonnell even though he’s been a neutral to slightly popular governor.

stefanite on May 17, 2013 at 8:56 PM

There is another (earlier) election in Virginia that is just about as important. Special election on August 6 to replace outgoing State Senator Blevins (R). The senate is currently tied 20-20, with tying vote going to the lt. gov. There are about a half dozen people running for the lt gov nomination, all claiming they will side with conservatives on the tie. But it won’t matter if the Republicans lose the special election on August 6. Expect a flood of liberal interest money to pour into the 14th district this summer.

My oldest (18-year-old) has been working on the Cuccinelli campaign. We’ve suggested he switch over to the Cosgrove campaign for the summer.

CJ on May 17, 2013 at 9:03 PM

Dear America: There is a Santa Clause, but there is no help coming to your rescue if you reelect Obama as your next president. Do your homework. Listen to what they are saying. If you blow this one, you have nobody to blame but yourselves. .

I took a few liberties with your sentence. The LIV didn’t do their homework and reelected Obama. I have no sympathy for any of them.

TulsAmerican on May 17, 2013 at 9:43 PM

There’s a more important reason we need to elect Republicans at every level at this point. We need to remove activist partisans from appointed positions and begin a process of removing them from hired positions through attrition. What we are seeing with the IRS and other scandals are not a reflection of Barack Obama and his administration, they are a reflection of what Democrats have become more generally. This is a systemic problem within the Democratic Party and they must be purged at all levels; federal, state, and local.

crosspatch on May 17, 2013 at 9:53 PM

I took a few liberties with your sentence. The LIV didn’t do their homework and reelected Obama. I have no sympathy for any of them.

TulsAmerican on May 17, 2013 at 9:43 PM

The “low information voter” concept is a canard to excuse the fact that the conservative movement and the GOPe fail at messaging. I’m not using that crutch again.

Myron Falwell on May 17, 2013 at 10:07 PM

McAuliffe is a uberdouche.

Hopefully my fellow Virginians will work that out. We did in 2009, we can do it again.

22044 on May 17, 2013 at 10:30 PM

A Santa Clause? As in the Tim Allen movie?

Ward Cleaver on May 17, 2013 at 7:28 PM

would’ve been better if he said ‘Sanity Clause’, as in the Marx Brothers.

Fenris on May 17, 2013 at 10:49 PM

Could Virginia voters be any more stupid than Minnesota voters….

crosshugger on May 17, 2013 at 8:34 PM

Hmmmmm…. Let’s see.

A republican Governor, Lt. Governor and attorney general and Eric Cantor.

Versus Al Franken.

You tell me.

BacaDog on May 17, 2013 at 11:21 PM

If we elect Terry Mac I’ll have to move again dammit. I already fled one Dem controlled state (MD) and I only have a year left on my degree now.

SgtSVJones on May 17, 2013 at 11:34 PM

Could Virginia voters be any more stupid than Minnesota voters….

crosshugger on May 17, 2013 at 8:34 PM

cough, ahem.

S. D. on May 18, 2013 at 2:48 AM

If we elect Terry we are done. Cuccinelli is the real deal, but these morons in NoVa will probably screw it up.

La Troienne on May 17, 2013 at 7:57 PM

Not all of us are morons up here.

zoyclem on May 18, 2013 at 6:40 AM

Dear Virginia, Terry McAuliffe is not your friend.

Terry McAuliffe is nobody’s friend. If Terry McAuliffe were an ice cream flavor, he’d be Jamocha almond idiot.”

BigGator5 on May 18, 2013 at 8:35 AM

He is one of the consummate liars we see from the left quite frequently. Susan Rice, Stephanie Cutter, Bill Burton, Joe Lockhart, Jay Carney – they can all look you in the eye and not even flinch when lying.

I will say this though, Terry is dedicated. Nothing will stand in his way of political gamesmanship and fleecing the taxpayers. He’ll even drop his wife off at the hospital to have one of their children while he attends a political fundraiser. What more could a left winger ask?

iamsaved on May 18, 2013 at 8:36 AM

Could Virginia voters be any more stupid than Minnesota voters….

crosshugger on May 17, 2013 at 8:34 PM

Hey, give Virginia a break. Hundreds of thousands of liberals from primarily the Northeast and from other left wing bastions have been flocking to Northern Virginia as political appointees, government contractors, and federal bureaucrats sucking up tax dollars at the government trough.

Rick Perry, the Texas Governor, better be careful inviting all those companies to come to Texas for a “better” life. The liberals will leave the dung hills they’ve created on the Left Coasts and turn Texas blue.

iamsaved on May 18, 2013 at 8:42 AM

I voted for Governor McDonnell, but I’ve been saying “anybody but Cuccinelli” for years, ever since it was first rumored that he might run. I was hoping to get the chance to vote against him in a Republican primary. Cuccinelli is as Christian as John Ashcroft and as willing to use his office for political gain as Barack Obama. Neither of those facts bode well for freedom in Virginia.

Also, it should be pointed out that, at the state level, the political parties have different divisions than they do at the national level. Here in Virginia, for instance, the Republican Party supports taxing northern Virginia to build roads in southern Virginia, while the Democratic Party supports the opposite. Given that NoVA already pays more in taxes than the rest of the State, and given that traffic in NoVA is far worse than anywhere else, voting for Democrats every once in a while is a necessity. And the Republicans have only themselves to blame for letting their share of Richmond become corrupt.

hicsuget on May 18, 2013 at 9:05 AM

No one to blame but yourselves? Seems we had the same to blame in the election last year. But many did not have the benefit of articles like this one where the press had, and failed, its obligation to bring the American people the truth of what was going on. The press had the where-with-all to dig into the IRS, and Benghazi and absolutely failed. The American people, it turns out, don’t pay much attention but more might have if given the chance which was absent. AP is the one area where the press should have learned its lesson that these politicians can not be trusted. Politicians with a desire to destroy this country are even more of a reason the press should be interested in doing its job. That is the premise that all should consider when they think about the current brand of politician and deal accordingly. The question that gnaws at lot of us now is: are the press so liberal and so ideological that they want to destroy our country also?

Pardonme on May 18, 2013 at 9:20 AM

Given that NoVA already pays more in taxes than the rest of the State, and given that traffic in NoVA is far worse than anywhere else, voting for Democrats every once in a while is a necessity.

hicsuget on May 18, 2013 at 9:05 AM

Explain how state taxation in NoVA is higher than down South? What tax do they pay that I don’t?

Oldnuke on May 18, 2013 at 9:37 AM

hicsuget on May 18, 2013 at 9:05 AM

You’re absolutely right about the traffic. Haven’t been North of the Rappahannock in years. I understand that the Springfield mixing bowl is still a mess even after all the ‘Improvements’.

Oldnuke on May 18, 2013 at 9:40 AM

Terry McAuliffe is Terry McAuliffe’s best friend, and that’s as far as it will ever go.

SomeCallMeJohn on May 18, 2013 at 9:43 AM

“…voting for Democrats every once in a while is a necessity.”

hicsuget on May 18, 2013 at 9:05 AM

Only if you despise the Republic and believe Obeyme and other liars are worthy of your worship.

oldleprechaun on May 18, 2013 at 9:45 AM

Only if you despise the Republic and believe Obeyme and other liars are worthy of your worship.

oldleprechaun on May 18, 2013 at 9:45 AM

You’re either an idiot or you didn’t read what I wrote. (Or both–I guess they’re not mutually-exclusive alternatives.) You seem, in particular, to have missed that I said I am opposed to Cuccinelli in part because he is too much like Obama.

I vote for Democrats only often enough to keep Republicans honest, and usually only at the state and local levels. If more people voted against their preferred party when their party nominated a dunce or a scoundrel or a fascist, our Republic would be in much better shape.

hicsuget on May 18, 2013 at 10:01 AM

I vote for Democrats only often enough to keep Republicans honest, and usually only at the state and local levels. If more people voted against their preferred party when their party nominated a dunce or a scoundrel or a fascist, our Republic would be in much better shape.

hicsuget on May 18, 2013 at 10:01 AM

And Cuccinelli is none of those. Either do some more research, or take your stupidity elsewhere.

22044 on May 18, 2013 at 10:38 AM

I imagine the Virginia gubernatorial election is going to come down to whether Cucinelli can avoid saying something really stupid in the next few months. If he follows in the footsteps of Angle, Akin and Mourdock, McAuliffe becomes Governor. Otherwise, he keeps his lead until election day.

Mister Mets on May 18, 2013 at 10:50 AM

I imagine the Virginia gubernatorial election is going to come down to whether Cucinelli can avoid saying something really stupid in the next few months. If he follows in the footsteps of Angle, Akin and Mourdock, McAuliffe becomes Governor. Otherwise, he keeps his lead until election day.

Mister Mets on May 18, 2013 at 10:50 AM

He’s known as a disciplined campaigner. Before he was AG, he was a state representative in a district that is more D.
Ron Johnson, Ted Cruz, Scott Walker, & others were both conservatives and good candidates, hopefully Ken gets added to that list.
The evil media will throw squirrels at him, though – hoping to get him off-track.

22044 on May 18, 2013 at 11:05 AM

If he follows in the footsteps of Angle, Akin and Mourdock…

Mister Mets on May 18, 2013 at 10:50 AM

Or, closer to home, George Allen.

And Cuccinelli is none of those….

22044 on May 18, 2013 at 10:38 AM

I wasn’t implying he was all three–dunce and scoundrel in particular are difficult to achieve in one person. I was instead speaking broadly about the need to support the other party when your party nominates a dud. Such an action is a boon, not only to the Commonwealth, but also to the long-term health of your own preferred party. Federalist No. 10 is useful here.

hicsuget on May 18, 2013 at 11:20 AM

Here in Virginia, for instance, the Republican Party supports taxing northern Virginia to build roads in southern Virginia, while the Democratic Party supports the opposite. Given that NoVA already pays more in taxes than the rest of the State, and given that traffic in NoVA is far worse than anywhere else, voting for Democrats every once in a while is a necessity.

hicsuget on May 18, 2013 at 9:05 AM

You’re full of it. NoVa is NOT overtaxed. And the roads there are NOT worse than elsewhere in the state. I have driven the length and breadth of Virginia in the last dozen years, and a vast chunk of revenue to Richmond comes from Hampton Roads, and very little of it returns to there. It mostly goes to Northern Virginia to keep all the national teat sucklers happy.

Hundreds of thousands of liberals from primarily the Northeast and from other left wing bastions have been flocking to Northern Virginia as political appointees, government contractors, and federal bureaucrats sucking up tax dollars at the government trough.

iamsaved on May 18, 2013 at 8:42 AM

Absolutely correct. The only reason the roads need so much money in NoVa is because there are 8 lanes worth of traffic flowing into DC and its environs every dang day.

Not all of us are morons up here.

zoyclem on May 18, 2013 at 6:40 AM

Yes, that is true.

GWB on May 18, 2013 at 11:36 AM

You’re full of it. NoVa is NOT overtaxed. And the roads there are NOT worse than elsewhere in the state. I have driven the length and breadth of Virginia in the last dozen years, and a vast chunk of revenue to Richmond comes from Hampton Roads, and very little of it returns to there. It mostly goes to Northern Virginia to keep all the national teat sucklers happy.

Hundreds of thousands of liberals from primarily the Northeast and from other left wing bastions have been flocking to Northern Virginia as political appointees, government contractors, and federal bureaucrats sucking up tax dollars at the government trough.

GWB on May 18, 2013 at 11:36 AM

While I disagree with almost everything hicsuget wrote I have to give him a little due here. He didn’t say the roads in NoVA are worse than the rest of the state he said traffic is worse. I’m pretty sure he’s right about that for reasons

iamsaved on May 18, 2013 at 8:42 AM

pointed out. In addition all those liberal government teat-sucking imports don’t live in the district. A lot of them don’t even live in NoVA they commute from out in the hinterlands making a bad traffic situation even worse.

Oldnuke on May 18, 2013 at 12:34 PM

I understand that the Springfield mixing bowl is still a mess even after all the ‘Improvements’.

Oldnuke on May 18, 2013 at 9:40 AM

I used to drive that area every day many years ago. Basically the reason for it was the way the road grid was laid out. The roads were at that time like spokes of a wheel radiating outward from Arlington. If you lived in Springfield and worked in Herndon, lets say, you had to drive IN to the Beltway, go around the beltway to get your “spoke” going out. This means that the traffic on the spokes is carrying all North/South traffic as well as East/West traffic. A “Springfield Bypass” had been in the planning stages for decades at that time but none of the communities wanted it cutting through their neighborhood. And from my glance at a map just now, it doesn’t look like anything resembling what was envisioned then has been built even today. So if you live in Lorton or Woodbridge and work in Reston, you still have to go in, around, and out. The notion of an expressway that went from Springfied or Newington across the county to Fairfax and Reston doesn’t seem to have ever materialized.

Bottom line is the best of government planning can not do a bit of good if the people who live in the area keep making it impossible to do. This expressway was being actively discussed 30 years ago and had already been in the planning stages for nearly 20 years at that time. Once the town of Burke Centre was created and populated, that was pretty much the end of the discussion. The people Burke have fought every single development effort since the 1950′s. That is also where Dulles Airport was originally going to be, but they fought that, too, so it was built way out in Chantilly.

Basically, if you don’t like the traffic in NoVa, blame Burke.

crosspatch on May 18, 2013 at 1:20 PM

Oldnuke on May 18, 2013 at 12:34 PM

Heh, I think you split the quote there. I don’t want to take credit for iamsaved’s “Hundreds of thousands of liberals…”.

I will stand corrected on the difference between “traffic” and “roads”, though I don’t know why you need money “because of traffic” if you’re not spending it on roads. So, I’ll repeat what I said in the middle of that rant:

The only reason the roads need so much money in NoVa is because there are 8 lanes worth of traffic flowing into DC and its environs every dang day.

Whereas, the roads in Hampton Roads have some real problems. And not as much money (though this might have changed in the last two years) dedicated to them as NoVa.

GWB on May 18, 2013 at 1:39 PM

Given that NoVA already pays more in taxes than the rest of the State, and given that traffic in NoVA is far worse than anywhere else, voting for Democrats every once in a while is a necessity.

hicsuget on May 18, 2013 at 9:05 AM

Yeah, right. And just when in recent memory has a Democrat done anything at all to improve traffic conditions?

zoyclem on May 18, 2013 at 1:43 PM

… In addition all those liberal government teat-sucking imports don’t live in the district. A lot of them don’t even live in NoVA they commute from out in the hinterlands making a bad traffic situation even worse.

Oldnuke on May 18, 2013 at 12:34 PM

The teat suckers who work for agencies like HUD live mostly in Maryland. Us NoVA folks work mostly for DoD. Freedom isn’t free.

You’re full of it. NoVa is NOT overtaxed. …
GWB on May 18, 2013 at 11:36 AM

It is true that we pay taxes at the same rates as the rest of the State. However, we make a lot more money than the rest of the State, so we end up in higher tax brackets and make an outsized contribution to the coffers. Some might find it ironic that, in Virginia at least, the Republican Party represents the looters and the Democrat Party represents the producers.

hicsuget on May 18, 2013 at 2:34 PM

However, we make a lot more money than the rest of the State, so we end up in higher tax brackets and make an outsized contribution to the coffers.

hicsuget on May 18, 2013 at 2:34 PM

Off the taxpayer’s dime. Somehow I don’t think that endears you to the rest of us on April 15th. And, you get paid a lot of those higher rates because of a self-perpetuating cycle of “cost-of-living adjustments” that inflate your pay, which drives up the costs more, which further inflates your pay, etc….

As to the Democrats not being the looters? You probably need to look around at all those folks living in NoVa who work in DC. Awful lot of Dems in that demographic. Hmmm, let’s see…. Looks like 8 out of 12 counties near DC went >+10 for Obama in 2012, while the entire state went just +3. Hmmmmmmm. No, working in DC doesn’t make you automatically a looter, but it sure doesn’t give you the benefit of the doubt.

GWB on May 18, 2013 at 3:18 PM

You’re either an idiot or you didn’t read what I wrote. (Or both–I guess they’re not mutually-exclusive alternatives.) You seem, in particular, to have missed that I said I am opposed to Cuccinelli in part because he is too much like Obama.

I vote for Democrats only often enough to keep Republicans honest, and usually only at the state and local levels. If more people voted against their preferred party when their party nominated a dunce or a scoundrel or a fascist, our Republic would be in much better shape.

hicsuget on May 18, 2013 at 10:01 AM

If Cuccinelli is “like Obama” could you please back that statement with facts? And if you vote for Marxists to “keep Republicans honest” you’re helping them pack local and state boards and courts with other Marxists. Once they are able to pack local courts with far-left judges, guess where those judges go. Federal courts. But then it’s tough to figure that out when you’re an idiot.

oldleprechaun on May 18, 2013 at 4:29 PM