New GOP strategy: Run subtle, run deep

posted at 11:01 am on January 28, 2013 by Ed Morrissey

Just three months after losing what most thought was a winnable election, the Republican Party believes it has a handle on how to proceed over the next two years as it rebuilds.  Instead of sharp public attacks on Barack Obama and brinksmanship with Harry Reid, the GOP needs to promote a positive agenda — and insist on using the proper processes of governing as a means to advance it:

The fractious GOP hierarchy seems to have finally settled on a message when it comes to President Barack Obama: take a deep breath and don’t take the bait.

Overtly in speeches and more subtly with their actions, GOP leaders and potential 2016 presidential candidates are sending a message to their party that it ought not let itself be radicalized by Obama’s ambitious and decidedly left-leaning second-term agenda.

If that sounds a bit like political jiu-jitsu, you’re on the right track.  In wrestling and grappling martial arts, combatants are trained to use their opponents’ strength and moves against them.  This is a similar strategy.  Obama has given every signal of going more sharply to his left in his second term, both with his appointments and his legislative strategies.  Rather than respond by going more sharply right, especially in rhetorical terms, the GOP will become more reasonable rhetorically while responding with an agenda that can attract the center as well as the right.

Paul Ryan calls this a “prudence” strategy:

GOP officials are calling for a more strategic mix of opposition and accommodation, though of course they wouldn’t dare call it that. Broadly put, it looks something like this: fight Obama on some issues but don’t give him easy public relations wins by getting bogged down in fiscal fights and obstructing proposals like immigration reform. And, oh yes, offer an agenda of your own.

Wisconsin Rep. Paul Ryan has been the most explicit about this new tack and gave it a name, or perhaps a euphemism, in a speech in Washington on Saturday at a conference staged by the National Review Institute: “prudence.”

“He’ll try to divide us with phony emergencies and bogus deals,” Ryan warned of Obama. “He’ll try to get us to fight with each other — to question each other’s motives—so we don’t challenge him. If we play into his hands, we will betray the voters who supported us — and the country we mean to serve. We can’t let that happen. We have to be smart. We have to show prudence.”

What is “prudence”?  The decision not to pick fights that one can’t possibly win, and which Republicans simply won’t take to the mat.  That’s why the GOP abandoned the idea of using the debt ceiling as a bargaining chip.  As I wrote earlier, it’s the wrong issue anyway; the issue is authorized spending by Congress, not the debt ceiling itself, and no one really believed that the GOP would force the issue of a default, or anything close to it.  They are on much better ground when it comes to spending cuts, which also have the virtue of being the right issue, and one on which a large majority of Americans agree.  Forcing a government shutdown over the budget makes a lot more sense — and is much more prudent — than risking another credit downgrade over the debt ceiling.

It also requires that Republicans present their own plan for governing rather than just saying “no” to Obama.  That applies to the spending-cut issue, too.  Obama has slammed the GOP for talking about spending cuts but proposing few specifics.  That’s because specific cuts are going to be unpopular, but eventually, the GOP has to put their cards on the table.  The time to do that is when Obama is making his left turn, when it will be easy to show how his agenda will explode spending rather than contain it.

If the GOP wants to win control of the Senate and keep the House in 2014, they will need to demonstrate that they are more ready to govern reasonably than Democrats.  That’s not really a hard lift, but they have only about eighteen months to make the case.


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If the GOP wants to win control of the Senate and keep the House in 2014, they will need to demonstrate that they are more ready to govern reasonably than Democrats. That’s not really a hard lift, but they have only about eighteen months to make the case.

Uh… Cap’n Ed… yes, it is.

Jeddite on January 28, 2013 at 11:05 AM

It is hard to defeat a cult.

tomas on January 28, 2013 at 11:07 AM

If the GOP wants to win control of the Senate and keep the House in 2014, they will need to demonstrate that they are more ready to govern reasonably than Democrats. That’s not really a hard lift, but they have only about eighteen months to make the case.

If they pass amnesty, there is NO way to retain the House, NO way!

Prediction:

By the end of the 2016 election, 100 or less in the House, 30 or less in the Senate. Welcome back super-majority!

jjnco73 on January 28, 2013 at 11:08 AM

Yeah Ed…

the media who reported fairly on all the economic data that showed Obama was a failure is gonna report on GOP “sense.”

The game is rigged brother, I spend many posts interacting with Jake Tapper to find out he doesn’t really care about “fair” he cares about the barest adherence to strict ethical guidelines.

The Republic is dead.

harlekwin15 on January 28, 2013 at 11:08 AM

If the GOP wants to win control of the Senate and keep the House in 2014, they will need to demonstrate that they are more ready to govern reasonably than Democrats.

Impossible with the media we have. Any talks of cuts, and it’s “Throw Grandma off a cliff”. Any talks of welfare cuts and it’s “You want children to starve while living in a car”.

The Liberal media complex must be destroyed if the Republicans want to get a clean message out.

portlandon on January 28, 2013 at 11:08 AM

The GOP plan of caving to the left, which they have been following since 2005 has been such a success – let’s go for more of it!

Give people and echo and they will vote for the leftist with a D by his name. The the people a choice and they will vote for the conservative.

18-1 on January 28, 2013 at 11:09 AM

New GOP strategy: Run, subtle stumble, run then deeply compromise your principles by giving Obama everything he wants.

Resist We Much on January 28, 2013 at 11:09 AM

You missed a point Ed Jiu-Jitsu only works if you can grab or control the guy going for a knock out punch or choke….

He delivers the blow with speed and proper force you’re done.

The “referee” ie the media and schools are not unbiased observers.

This ain’t UFC this is the WWE.

The game is scripted.

harlekwin15 on January 28, 2013 at 11:11 AM

hey ed, sorry to break it to you, but i think ryan’s angling for a spot in the clinton 2016 cabinet.

reaching across the aisle. compromise. noodling with the opposition.

renalin on January 28, 2013 at 11:11 AM

He’ll try to roll you with shiny squirrels .

Lucano on January 28, 2013 at 11:11 AM

The Republic is dead.

Indeed. Killed by Republican cowardice and the State Media.

Baring a miracle, leftwing national socialism is here to stay.

18-1 on January 28, 2013 at 11:14 AM

New GOP strategy: Run, subtle stumble, run then deeply compromise your principles by giving Obama everything he wants.

The truly sad part? We haven’t even run a presidential candidate right of center since 2004 – and Bush 43 was only barely so.

How do we expect to win when we can’t even nominate a conservative to lead the supposed conservative party?

18-1 on January 28, 2013 at 11:16 AM

Forcing a government shutdown over the budget makes a lot more sense — and is much more prudent — than risking another credit downgrade over the debt ceiling.

Ed, you’re normally 100% spot on, but this doesn’t pass the smell test. The Left likes to parrot that debt ceiling line and lay 100% of the blame on Republicans for the last downgrade. It’s our federal government’s inability to reduce debt and deficits, not the supposed brinksmanship we saw in July 2011 that puts our credit rating at risk.

Common Sense Floridian on January 28, 2013 at 11:17 AM

Raise a banner of no bold colors, but pale pastels

- Not Ronald Reagan

steebo77 on January 28, 2013 at 11:17 AM

“That’s not really a hard lift, but they have only about eighteen months to make the case.”

What is a spine for $16,000,000,000,000.00 Alex? Right amount of 0′s. I can hardly tell anymore.

Bmore on January 28, 2013 at 11:18 AM

There a big difference between wussing out and using your opponent’s leverage against them.

I’m seeing a lot of the former, and none of the later.

kingsjester on January 28, 2013 at 11:19 AM

How do we expect to win when we can’t even nominate a conservative to lead the supposed conservative party?

18-1 on January 28, 2013 at 11:16 AM

What conservative party?

BabyGrace on January 28, 2013 at 11:20 AM

The Pubs will do one of two things: fade away like the Whigs, are become so irrelevant to politics that many ‘defect’ to the Democrats just so they can retain their seat.

Liam on January 28, 2013 at 11:20 AM

Forcing a government shutdown over the budget makes a lot more sense — and is much more prudent — than risking another credit downgrade over the debt ceiling.

Oh come now – we know that Boehner and co will “compromise” over the “budget” too. They’ll get some trivial cuts now, Obama will get more tax increases, and we will still post $1T+ budget deficits forever.

18-1 on January 28, 2013 at 11:20 AM

If that sounds a bit like political jiu-jitsu, you’re on the right track.

It sounds like caving, capitulating, surrendering, acquiescing, yielding, giving up, bowing, scraping, kneeling, succumbing, laying down, relenting, relinquishing, flying the white flag, ceding the fight, abdicating responsibility, losing the base and conceding 2014 midterms.

sauldalinsky on January 28, 2013 at 11:21 AM

Instead of sharp public attacks on Barack Obama and brinksmanship with Harry Reid, the GOP needs to promote a positive agenda — and insist on using the proper processes of governing as a means to advance it:

LOL. The GOP needs to FOAD. They are scum, just about as bad as the America-hating dems they ally with.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on January 28, 2013 at 11:21 AM

The GOP is going to flip the demorats across the room by agreeing with an amnesty plan. The demorats will be so caught off guard by the political ju-jitsu that they will immediately offer to repeal BarkyCare. Or something.

Bishop on January 28, 2013 at 11:22 AM

Ed, be a trailblazer. Replace jiu-jitsu with SAMBO.

Long live the last emporer: Fedor Emilianenko

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fedor_Emelianenko

If Sambo was easy, they would call it Jiu Jitsu!

can_con on January 28, 2013 at 11:24 AM

Not gonna happen

cmsinaz on January 28, 2013 at 11:25 AM

The GOP is going to flip the demorats across the room by agreeing with an amnesty plan. The demorats will be so caught off guard by the political ju-jitsu that they will immediately offer to repeal BarkyCare. Or something.

Bishop on January 28, 2013 at 11:22 AM

They will grasp that the public has a right to guns and self-defense and that gun control flies in the face of an empowered people, will grasp even a 5 year old’s understanding of wealth of nations, and will support a sensible defense budget and freeing people below 50 from their failed retirement schemes….

because that is what Schumer, Pelosi, and Obama embody….the ability to embrace new ideas…..

Article V break it up shut it down America for Americans since we will never be United again.

harlekwin15 on January 28, 2013 at 11:25 AM

“Trust us” the new theme for the GOP in 2014.

-But what about amnesty which you agreed to in 2013?

“We uh…used an open hand technique on the democrats, and then a crane form, and confused the hell out of them. Trust us on this, the democrats are on the ropes so vote GOP.”

Bishop on January 28, 2013 at 11:26 AM

+1 harlekwin at 11:08

The lsm will twist everything around

cmsinaz on January 28, 2013 at 11:27 AM

So, GOP strategists decide to remain feckless then come up with a rationale for it and call it a “strategy”. Brilliant.

ncjetsfan on January 28, 2013 at 11:27 AM

The GOP is playing their Matador Defense…Ole!

And, then they either run behind the board or jump into the stands.

kingsjester on January 28, 2013 at 11:28 AM

The GOPe Plan is to continue flailing about like a drowning man, grabbing and forcing under anyone who attempts to come to their rescue, like the TEA Party.

SWalker on January 28, 2013 at 11:28 AM

Republicans have been playing nice with Democrats for years. Playing nice with Lenin turned Russia into the Soviet Union and got millions of Russians murdered.

The main problem we have is the media. Conservatives need to take over or take down some key mainstream media outlets or the American people who don’t pay much attention to politics or who don’t seek out alternate sources will never hear anything but, “Democrats=good, Republicans=bad.”

If you have a D next to your name, the media will lie to protect your lies. Homeless people cease to exist when a D is in office, war is just, $16 trillion national debt is no big deal, $5 gas prices and 9% unemployment are good signs, major scandals are blips not worth mentioning, running guns to drug cartels in Mexico is just fine, empowering radical Islam is creating an Arab Spring. When an R is in office, war is for oil and the enrichment of cronies, $2 gas prices and 5% unemployment signal economic ruin. If you’re an R who starts to gain traction, any minor gaffe you or anyone in your party makes will be repeated endlessly, and you and your family will be regularly smeared, demonized, and ridiculed.

Cara C on January 28, 2013 at 11:30 AM

The GOP is playing their Matador Defense…Ole!

And, then they either run behind the board or jump into the stands.

kingsjester on January 28, 2013 at 11:28 AM

More likely they just bend over and take the bulls horns right up the ole poop-chute…

SWalker on January 28, 2013 at 11:31 AM

Hey Ryan, Fight like a girl wimp.

idesign on January 28, 2013 at 11:31 AM

New GOP strategy: Run, subtle stumble, run then deeply compromise your principles by giving Obama everything he wants.

Resist We Much on January 28, 2013 at 11:09 AM

…got that right!…same old same old!

KOOLAID2 on January 28, 2013 at 11:32 AM

If the GOP wants to win control of the Senate and keep the House in 2014, they will need to demonstrate that they are more ready to govern reasonably than Democrats.

Does that mean candidates and hangers-on who can keep their yaps shut about “legitimate rape” and gay-marriage?

Here in Minny, gay-marriage is gonna be a big DFL problem in the state legislature, but I’m pretty sure GOP stupidity will provide them with a bail and scapegoat two-fer.

Wisely picking battles isn’t really the GOP’s strong suite…

Bruno Strozek on January 28, 2013 at 11:32 AM

Wisely picking battles isn’t really the GOP’s strong suite…

Bruno Strozek on January 28, 2013 at 11:32 AM

No one snatches defeat out of the jaws of victory like the GOPe

SWalker on January 28, 2013 at 11:35 AM

While an unpopular stance here at HA, I do think the GOP is on the right track. As we all know the press is so far into Obama’s derrier that they will only take sides with him on fights. Boehner got the message by not picking a fight on gun control, and passing that onto the Senate.

Tater Salad on January 28, 2013 at 11:38 AM

“proper process in governing”. That’ll practically sell itself.

Anything else just wouldn’t be prudent.

forest on January 28, 2013 at 11:39 AM

Being prudent and subtle doesn’t seem to have crossed the mind of one Republican leader….LA Governor Bobby Jindal, with his very public denunciation of STUPID Republicans.This is exactly the kind of soundbite that will come back to haunt all Republicans during the next cycle in 2014! Jindal and Ryan are two of the more bitter disappointments among the younger, supposedly conservative leaders!

tomshup on January 28, 2013 at 11:40 AM

More like “Run Away!” in ‘Monty Python and the Holy Grail’

michaelo on January 28, 2013 at 11:42 AM

While an unpopular stance here at HA, I do think the GOP is on the right track. As we all know the press is so far into Obama’s derrier that they will only take sides with him on fights. Boehner got the message by not picking a fight on gun control, and passing that onto the Senate.

Tater Salad on January 28, 2013 at 11:38 AM

Right so the key to stopping Barack Obama from getting everything he wants is to give him 85% of what he wants at 105% of the price and gifting the donks with 30 million new voters who feel no loyalty to America as rendered.

Yeah brilliant strategy.

Can you refer me to the part of the Constitution or Bill of rights that gives a biased protected by federal rules media control of the United States?

*I* sent the GOP to represent *my* point of view, I have never asked the GOP to violate the Bill of Rights or ignore the rules as rendered.

If the *GOP* has as its “best” enabling Barky Choom in enacting the “dreams of my absentee daddy” then I need a new party or a new nation.

Article V the game is rigged.

harlekwin15 on January 28, 2013 at 11:43 AM

Boy… we sure do have a whiny bunch today. ;-)

I suppose that is the downside of adopting Leftist tactics to use towards conservative ends. Stirring up the desire to fight back is understandable… and has been somewhat successful here and there (see 2010). Tapping into people’s frustrations and stoking the fire of anger is a powerful weapon indeed!

But, the problem seems to be that once that fire is stoked, people want to stay angry… and eventually nothing is good enough for them. Everything makes them mad. They either want to perpetually fight against everyone who doesn’t agree with them 100% (read: everyone, period)… or they just want to give up and walk away.

Neither endgame is very helpful.

A lasting and effective conservatism will not come from angry reactions to Leftward lurches. We should remember that.

RightWay79 on January 28, 2013 at 11:44 AM

…suckers.

equanimous on January 28, 2013 at 11:46 AM

Our society and media has been feminized, and it seems republicans have lost women… and the brand may be beyond repair. We need a like-able, cheerful candidate who’s less “republican” and more genuine. Alternatively, maybe the strategy should be more photo-ops with puppies and kittens.

MT on January 28, 2013 at 11:47 AM

Does that mean candidates and hangers-on who can keep their yaps shut about “legitimate rape” and gay-marriage?

Bruno Strozek on January 28, 2013 at 11:32 AM

Huh? The damage in the Akin case was done by the GOP jumping all over him instead of understanding that he merely mis-worded his position (whether you agree with it or not) that he was against all abortions.

I don’t know what you are talking about with respect to gay pretend marriage. The whole idea of gay pretend marriage is a sick joke and no one should keep their mouth shut about that. It’s just stupid and laughable in the face of Nature, not to mention the character and purpose of a “marriage”.

But, none of this matters, since I’m not a GOP voter, anyway. They can jump ugly all over conservatives (which is the GOP’s favorite pastime) and can give in to all forms of cultural deviance. That’s cool. I’m not voting for them, anyway.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on January 28, 2013 at 11:49 AM

harlekwin15 on January 28, 2013 at 11:43 AM

I never said give Obama what he wants and if you read such you read it wrong. My take is to ignore him; as with his gun proposals, why should Boehner even take it up, it won’t pass the Democratically controlled Senate so why waist the time and the fight.

That is smart strategy.

Tater Salad on January 28, 2013 at 11:50 AM

A lasting and effective conservatism will not come from angry reactions to Leftward lurches. We should remember that.

RightWay79 on January 28, 2013 at 11:44 AM

Conservative “victory” is not possible when success is defined as “if we cave enough then the donks will deweaponize race and put down the Marx so let’s cave some more…”

Barack Obama launched his political career in Bill “Mr 25 million” Ayers’ living room.

You are killing the Constitution and rule of law by pretending you are “negotiating” with a sane actor in good faith.

Any cave towards him is a cave towards a red diaper baby who is unvetted by willful media collusion.

Article V and let the Conservative states go….we do not want to be rewarded for our frugality by being Illinois and California’s piggy bank.

Break it up and shut it down.

harlekwin15 on January 28, 2013 at 11:52 AM

I never said give Obama what he wants and if you read such you read it wrong. My take is to ignore him; as with his gun proposals, why should Boehner even take it up, it won’t pass the Democratically controlled Senate so why waist the time and the fight.

That is smart strategy.

Tater Salad on January 28, 2013 at 11:50 AM

Speaker Boehner is going to cave on immigration.

I watched him play Euchre as one of DeWine’s volunteers back in the day.

I respect Speaker Boehner but will not follow this.

Article V break it up, shut it down.

harlekwin15 on January 28, 2013 at 11:53 AM

Where are the articulate female republican leaders in congress? Are there any now? We need more, regardless.

MT on January 28, 2013 at 11:55 AM

But, the problem seems to be that once that fire is stoked, people want to stay angry… and eventually nothing is good enough for them. Everything makes them mad. They either want to perpetually fight against everyone who doesn’t agree with them 100% (read: everyone, period)… or they just want to give up and walk away.

Neither endgame is very helpful.

A lasting and effective conservatism will not come from angry reactions to Leftward lurches. We should remember that.

RightWay79 on January 28, 2013 at 11:44 AM

Agreed, so much dumb talk about the end of the republic and such. Letting the Dems fail and picking up the pieces after they fail seems so much smarter than wailing about the end and how we can go f*** ourselves. Fight Obama, not each other.

thebrokenrattle on January 28, 2013 at 11:56 AM

Break it up and shut it down.

harlekwin15 on January 28, 2013 at 11:52 AM

Since that’s not going to happen, what do you honestly propose we do?

Both ‘sides’ live in this country.

We’re going to have to figure out a way to peacefully co-exist. My preference is to take the long view. A ‘Fabian-type Conservative” movement seems to me like it would be much more philosophically consistent with Conservatism in general. Certainly much moe consistent than screaming at Liberals until we are blue (red?) in the face and calling for radical, sweeping changes. (Even if those radical sweeping changes are simply moving us back to the Center as a country).

Far more effective and good for COnservatism in the long run to give the Left just enough rope to hang themselves with.

It’s a strategy mush easier said than done… and one which Republican leaders to this point have not gotten right.

But… one that it is worth risking everything for. (For, if it succeeds, everyone will be the better off).

RightWay79 on January 28, 2013 at 12:01 PM

Maybe the GOP should take up gardening instead.

Bmore on January 28, 2013 at 12:03 PM

Very good strategy. I approve.

tommy71 on January 28, 2013 at 12:04 PM

Agreed, so much dumb talk about the end of the republic and such. Letting the Dems fail and picking up the pieces after they fail seems so much smarter than wailing about the end and how we can go f*** ourselves. Fight Obama, not each other.

thebrokenrattle on January 28, 2013 at 11:56 AM

It is not dumb, I have defended the GOP since the last Juan Queeg “screw you gringo” surge with Bush.

What do you not get about Conservative small R republicans having finally met the point they are going to say “enough” and let the only roadblock to this idiocy end?

He has more unemployed than “evil Bush”, his policies are inhibiting growth, he laughs about forcing energy prices up and could care less about declining standards of living for the poor and lower middle that MUST follow…..

the media will NOT REPORT ON ANY OF HIS POLICY WINS’ LOSSES EVER.

Any Republican that thinks caving silently or hoping and praying the media will report that “the poor Senate can’t get things done oh darn!’ is at best naive and at worst stupid.

I begged, snarked, browbeat and tried to cajole the epic in stupidity Ron Paul wing and libertarian uber alles types to stop this Closeted marxist fool from getting another go at it and I used Paul Ryan being added as proof of the Conservative bona fides to try to do it and the GOP “leadership” rewards me with Paul Ryan trying to be too cute by half and saying “you know HILLARY! would have fixed all this by now?”

The Soccer moms he is trying to win back are idiots, and they will swoon at HISTORIC 2 THE FIRST REAL LADY Presdiental CANDIDATE FOR THE AGES! that the M*ther F***ing media will run 24/7…..

No elected Republican is making the case for fiscal sanity, and the party as a whole refuses to engage and call the media on their bias so over the top they may as well get checks from Organizing for America.

You do not get it, you are not dealing an empowered tanned Dukakis this guy sees using EOs as an extra Constitutional dodge as a moral imperative….

he is not any Americans’ friend if the American is a friend of the Constitution and sadly I am not seeing a lot of friends in the GOP.

harlekwin15 on January 28, 2013 at 12:06 PM

But… one that it is worth risking everything for. (For, if it succeeds, everyone will be the better off).

RightWay79 on January 28, 2013 at 12:01 PM

Pick up a history book.

Ask the Social Revolutionaries how “bargaining with Marxists” works out.

Fabian Conservatism cannot save us from the flaws in the socialist model. The democrats are being ran to destroy the Republic and Bill of Rights and get rid of “archaic impediments towards doing good.”

I would ask only that they use the Amendatory process and be forced to be honest in their goals.

You would rather aid them in the pursuit of them by at best driving over the cliff at 5 MPH.

Good luck let me know what the glide path of a buick is, Ted Kennedy already tested crash depth.

The Soviet Union would last forever too comrade.

I will not aid the GOP and I will not stop the democrats.

Have fun, my family was in Ohio before the United States and my family will be here long after.

Without adherence to the limits in that document you and by extension this nation will not have my loyalty.

harlekwin15 on January 28, 2013 at 12:10 PM

You missed a point Ed Jiu-Jitsu only works if you can grab or control the guy going for a knock out punch or choke….

He delivers the blow with speed and proper force you’re done.

The “referee” ie the media and schools are not unbiased observers.

This ain’t UFC this is the WWE.

The game is scripted.

harlekwin15 on January 28, 2013 at 11:11 AM

Wow this is spot on

The ridiculous degree the media placed its thumb on the scale in 2008 and especially 2012 is disgusting

It’s going to be damn tough to win national elections from here on out no matter what, until we destroy the leftist media/entertainment complex, especially combined with the automatic 47% of parasites who vote Dem no matter what for perpetuity now

Maybe if we’re running Rubio vs Cuomo in 2016 we might have an even shot, that’s about it

If Shillary runs, it doesn’t matter how much “outreach” or jiu jitsu or pandering we do, the race is over before it even starts

thurman on January 28, 2013 at 12:12 PM

Loser.

rrpjr on January 28, 2013 at 12:17 PM

If Shillary runs, it doesn’t matter how much “outreach” or jiu jitsu or pandering we do, the race is over before it even starts

thurman on January 28, 2013 at 12:12 PM

Condi would make it interesting.

MT on January 28, 2013 at 12:21 PM

This new strategy is all nice and good…don’t be baited…but Democrats and their trusty media will simply counter by finding some Republican with an illegal immigrant as an intern, or another having sex with underage girls in some Latin American country…and start the demonizing all over again.

jan3 on January 28, 2013 at 12:22 PM

Fabian Conservatism cannot save us from the flaws in the socialist model. The democrats are being ran to destroy the Republic and Bill of Rights and get rid of “archaic impediments towards doing good.”

harlekwin15 on January 28, 2013 at 12:10 PM

I get it…truly, I do.

The Left’s aim is to make statutory the fundamental transformation of our society that they have already achieved culturally.

The tradiational (in the Burkean and “Kirk-ian” sense) Conservative is fated to fight a losing battle.

For every two steps they take “Forward”, our goal is to push them back rightwards by one step.

Such is our lot as reasonable folk. We will fight, but we will ( over the fullness of time) lose, because that is human nature and it is the inevitability of our Fallen World to continue it’s many millenial march towards societal destruction.

Civilazations rise and fall and eventually the world will be made new and humanity’s part here will have been played out.

Our role is simply to pull a Buckley on our country and stand athwart it yelling “Stop!”

Sometimes the country will listen, sometimes it won’t. But in the times (like the one we currently are taking part in) when it won’t Stop… our goal is simply to make it Slow Down.

It is simply my opinion that we can’t even get things to Slow Down if we consider the Left our enemies and treat them as such. Though we be treated as scum by them, it would be anathema to Conservatism to return the favor.

RightWay79 on January 28, 2013 at 12:25 PM

It is simply my opinion that we can’t even get things to Slow Down if we consider the Left our enemies and treat them as such. Though we be treated as scum by them, it would be anathema to Conservatism to return the favor.

RightWay79 on January 28, 2013 at 12:25 PM

I am under no more duty to allow them to destroy me extra-Constiutionally than the founders were to let the King decree.

Why are YOU so afraid to take the idiots at Kos at their word in 2005 and start over?

Article V exists for a reason and if we were not to even try to use it to start over or break up the monster and remove the mask the Super Statists are using to pretend they are not against “liberty” we are unworthy of such liberty anyway.

They do not have nice things in store for us, and those of us they cannot brainwash, and cannot break they will destroy or marginalize.

I’ve seen this movie before, I know how the GOP’s “brilliant path” ends.

That article where the idiot Native Brit felt entitled to the dole as the price for her liberty because “uh mom and dad paid taxes’ is the future, not a sane society.

No other nation on the planet is expected to act this stupidly.

We are idiots.

harlekwin15 on January 28, 2013 at 12:30 PM

It is simply my opinion that we can’t even get things to Slow Down if we consider the Left our enemies and treat them as such.

RightWay79 on January 28, 2013 at 12:25 PM

The Left are nihilistic enemies of civilization and are particularly enemies to the idea of the American Republic.

The GOP are useful idiots to the useful idiots of the Left and they seem bent on the political suicide run they initiated with the amnesty push in 2006. This time they’ll be successful.

And America is already gone. I thought Benedict Roberts made that perfectly clear to everyone. You now live in the American Socialist Superstate …. and the GOP thinks it’s just peachy keen.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on January 28, 2013 at 12:40 PM

Sure because quietly RINO is a marked improvement over publicly proclaiming the GOP is secretly liberal.

Doesn’t teddy bear, brown nose politics suck?

Or is the majority of the Right glad to have the clean up with your tongues position?

Speakup on January 28, 2013 at 12:45 PM

If only there was a mainstream conservative alternative to the main stream media… and Fox is not it. Until then, no facts will get out.

beatcanvas on January 28, 2013 at 12:52 PM

So. The GOP is starting to figure out that you can’t be something with nothing? The fact that they are just coming to this realization now tells you how incompetent and clueless they are.

besser tot als rot on January 28, 2013 at 12:53 PM

The flaw in any new “tact” by the R party is that they all lack two fundamental components:

(A) No proposal they come up with or are likely to come up with goes after the systemic problems we face as a nation (the health care money bomb on the horizon, a sick and declining social security system, an embarrassing pre-college education system and a runaway, pork-laden spending obsession by BOTH parties). BOTH parties are either witting or unwitting partners in all of the above.

(B) There is Zero likelihood that Republicans (outside of maybe Ted Cruz if they don’t strangle him first, or Rand Paul, maybe) will stand their ground and actually fight for anything. Nobody trusts them, for good and well-earned reasons.

These parties are in a conjugal dance with each other. Each focused on beating the other at the margins to win the next election so they can be the we of we vs. them for a while. To paraphrase RR, they are the problem. How are we to look to them for the solution?

So we can see John Boehner on a news show in a few months saying, “Oops, maybe I messed up, sorry.” This is leadership? Getting schooled by a man who rides a girl’s bicycle (not innuendo, check the photos) and who claims he shot some dude named “Skeet” once at Camp David? And saying you’re sorry later?

We are all tired of this show. Time to change the reel.

IndieDogg on January 28, 2013 at 1:07 PM

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on January 28, 2013 at 11:49 AM

Do you live in the real world?

The one where the MSM spins any GOP stupidity into a preexisting epic narrative?

You understand the Progressive Left won the Culture War, right?

And that any attempt at starting a roll-back will require a degree of message discipline that incompetents like Akin etc. a loathe to deliver?

Really, Dude, try to get out more.

Bruno Strozek on January 28, 2013 at 1:16 PM

Both the Republicans and the Democrats are governing for the present American electorate that craves freebies and handouts. No one gives more faster than a Democrat, so the Republican party is a lost cause in the current environment. Once the piggy bank has been completely robbed, anarchy and violence will be the only political parties left in America, so prepare yourself. I don’t think there is any stopping it.

Deano1952 on January 28, 2013 at 2:02 PM

I looked at Ryan’s speech the day he gave it.

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/338905/paul-ryan-addresses-nri-summit-nro-staff#

Early on in his speech he spoke about prudence.

Well, prudence is good judgment in the art of governing. Abraham Lincoln called it “one of the cardinal virtues.”

I would not define prudence that way. I would consider wisdom to be good judgment in the art of governing.

Anyway, prudence became the thread that he used to sort of weave the text together. He said the Founders were ‘men of prudence’ and used Madison’s work with the Constitution as an example.

Well, first of all men of prudence don’t fight revolutions. Second of all, while you could describe some of Madison’s work as prudent, but he wasn’t trying to work and compromise with people who wanted to make the U.S. a worker’s paradise even as they played the system for all the could get.

Then this was his ending.

Our country is worth the fight. With your help—and with a touch of prudence—we will win it.

Thank you.

The phrase touch of prudence is not what you want to say when you want to encourage people to hang tough and fight.

I’m not for going out and rabble rousing, but it was really weak tea. Not even tea.

You have to be able to express your ideas in a way that stiffens people’s resolve. This was not a speech that would enable people to stand against the likes of Obama and Reid.

INC on January 28, 2013 at 2:38 PM

ROFL….what a load of horsecrap. this is the GOp’s answer. Surrender? raise the white flag? Prudence? Are you freaking kidding me. The libs are advancing on all fronts and the GOPe answer is freaking Prudence?

The GOPe along with Ryan are a laughing stock.

Who would want to be a member of such a stupid political party.

Prudence? Seriously?

Freaking idiots. If they aren’t willing to fight they should just resign now and save us a lot of the effort its going to take to primary these idiots out of office.

unseen on January 28, 2013 at 2:45 PM

INC on January 28, 2013 at 2:38 PM

I wonder if Ryan thought Lincoln used prudence when he opened fire on Ft sumter?

note to GOPe yeah that’s you Ryan. Prudence is only for those who control and have power. You use prudence when governing from a position of strength. Obama needs to use prudence. The GOPe being the minority party atm doesn’t need prudence they need a set of balls and an ability and will to fight for their beliefs….oh wait they have neither balls nor beliefs.

unseen on January 28, 2013 at 2:50 PM

If only there was a mainstream conservative alternative to the main stream media… and Fox is not it. Until then, no facts will get out.

beatcanvas on January 28, 2013 at 12:52 PM

the USSR would have killed to have the media the political class in DC has today. Prvada had nothing on the MSM.

unseen on January 28, 2013 at 2:54 PM

I really hope people understand what this is. It is the opeing shot of the GOPe to try to shape the 2014 elections and not give the Tea party or anyone else ammo to create a wave election like in 2010. The GOPe has decided to not fire up the masses like they did in 2009 by actively opposing Obama and the libs. they are hoping that by using “prudence” people will stay on their couches and not turn out like in 2010.

Freaking cowards. They have no intention of winning 2014, of taking back the senate or of stopping obama. they will cave to everything. The push for immigration reform, gun control etc is occurring now because its an off year for elections and they want like the “fiscal cliff deal” it off the table before the election season comes into play.

unseen on January 28, 2013 at 2:58 PM

Subtle is fine, but in the subtle argument, there must be a unified message. There need to be talking points that every Repub refers back to (in their own words) to educate the American people what it means to be conservative. These talking points need to be spoken over and over, in interviews, debates and other public meetings.

Reagan was great at referring back to his beliefs each time he spoke in public. That’s what it seems we’re missing in this battle. We have arguments, but no foundation; we discuss the problems but we don’t demonstrate the history or benefits of being who we are. There needs to be a message, consistent, loud and strong.

But subtle.

scottjenn on January 28, 2013 at 3:04 PM

We have arguments, but no foundation; we discuss the problems but we don’t demonstrate the history or benefits of being who we are. There needs to be a message, consistent, loud and strong.

But subtle.

scottjenn on January 28, 2013 at 3:04 PM

And that may be where the problem is.

Conservatism (just as the GOP) has a rather large tent.

Conservatism is naturally set against itself because it is the (somewhat consistent) philosophy that tries to see the world as it is. Liberalism doesn’t have that problem because it ignores reality.

So, Conservatism strives to strike balances between the great, equal, and compelling notions of life.

Individual Liberty vs. Traditional Morality
Limited Government vs. Compassion for the Needy
Military Strength that ensures Safety vs. Non-interventionism

And there are many, many, many more “tensions” that Conservatism wrestles with.

Each Conservative will try to seek a balance… but, being human, we each tend to come down a little bit more on one side of things or the other.

So, no two Conservatives have exactly the same set of beliefs.

Still, it’s important for us to at least try to come up with some core things we can all agree on and present those… just like you mention.

I just think it’s more difficult to do that than it may seem.

RightWay79 on January 28, 2013 at 3:59 PM

So anyone still loving some Ryan 2016? How about Rubio 2016? How many times will the GOPe betray you. LIB

AH_C on January 29, 2013 at 12:58 AM