Good news: Bipartisan group of House members working on immigration bill too

posted at 7:24 pm on January 28, 2013 by Allahpundit

If you assume that some sort of terrible immigration reform bill is destined to pass, then maybe this is for the best.

According to a House member involved in the talks, the bipartisan group is extremely close to not only an agreement, but to actually producing legislation. While a specific time table is not yet known, a bill could be introduced in the next several weeks, according to this lawmaker.

“I’m very cautious because we’ve been here before,” the member said, pointing to previous failed efforts at reforming the system. But after four years of often intense, secretive negotiations by the group, legislation now appears to be close at hand.

A leadership aide offered a slightly more cautious assessment, but acknowledged the group which also includes border-state Republicans, Latino Democrats and others has made progress…

The involvement of Sen. Marco Rubio in the efforts both in the House and the Senate have been key, Democratic and Republican aides said. One Republican aide noted Rubio “has had extensive conversations with House members over the last three month” building on his unsuccessful efforts last year to find compromise on the Dream Act. Those discussions have included key committee chairmen as well as influential conseravtives like Rep. Raul Labrador, members of the Congressional Hispanic Caucus and leadership.

Boehner is reportedly “pretty optimistic” that a deal can be made, in case you thought House Republicans were prepared to torpedo the Senate’s efforts on immigration the way they’ll surely torpedo any significant gun-control bill that Reid can get through. So why is this, potentially, a positive development? Because, in theory, a House immigration bill will be more conservative than anything that comes out of the Senate and that’ll be useful in dragging Reid’s bill towards the right in the conference committee later. Although, admittedly, after the fiscal-cliff deal and the Sandy relief bill passed with only a minority of Republican votes, that’s a dodgier proposition. Maybe we’ve reached the point in the House now where Boehner’s all but abandoned the conservatives in the caucus and is prepared to pass key legislation with a huge majority of Democrats and a small but reliable band of Republican centrists — a total repudiation of the “Hastert Rule,” in other words. In that case, who knows just how squishy the eventual House bill will be? In fact, a friend who’s savvy about politics e-mailed me after the Sandy bill passed to say that immigration would be a true test of how far Boehner’s willing to go, and maybe also a test of how far conservatives are willing to let him go:

I’d suggest that something more subtle may be going on. What you *may* have on the GOP side with the Sandy bill, the fiscal cliff deal, and now a debt ceiling deal is a collective action dilemma. The party collectively does not want the political fallout from keeping those things from becoming law, but members don’t want to do the anti-conservative thing and vote for them, because they will catch hell back home. Thus, they have empowered Boehner to go make deals with the Democrats; that way, they get their cake and eat it, too: the spend-a-thon continues, but they can boast of how they voted against it.

The real test of my thesis versus the Roll Call article’s suggestion (that Dems control the House floor) will be on pieces of legislation that aren’t related to crises. Specifically, immigration and gun control, where the status quo of doing nothing is acceptable. We’ll have to see what Boehner does. If he lets the committee system do its work on these bills, then lets them go through Rules, and ultimately on to the floor with a majority of GOP support, that’s a signal the GOP caucus is in charge. If he negotiates with Reid/Obama, then brings bills directly to the floor, then yeah, the Dems are in charge.

Early bit of evidence in my favor: Boehner was elected Speaker just a day or two after the cliff deal. That tells me that he wasn’t really going against the will of the caucus. If he had, then we would have seen a bigger coup attempt than the idiotic one that happened.

Even if the draft of the House bill is more conservative than the Senate’s draft, the fact that Boehner has proved that he’s willing and able to get tough bills passed by relying on Democrats means Reid and Obama have every incentive to drive a hard bargain in the conference committee. They know there’s a moderate contingent in the House that’s prepared to defy the base; they also know that Republican leaders are in a white-knuckle panic about further alienating Latinos by being cornered on this issue. The votes will be there in the House for whatever Senate Democrats produce so there’s no reason to move to the right in their own draft. Only if the Republican caucus stuck together would the House have real leverage, but we already know that they won’t and thus don’t. In which case, I repeat what I said earlier: If the party really is convinced that a cynical, politically calculated cave on this subject is the only way to begin to heal the breach with Latino voters, despite even centrist conservative pundits warning them that that’s a sucker’s game, then they’re far better off voting for it unanimously than having a majority of the caucus split off and vote no on principle. That would be the ultimate gift to Obama but I think that’s what we’re destined to see. Influential voices on the right are already being raised against the bill, from Ted Cruz to Rush Limbaugh to the boss emeritus. Which House Republican from a strongly conservative district wants to run in 2014 with the base mad at him for voting to legalize illegals?


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Liam on May 17, 2013 at 12:19 AM

I’m glad.:)

thatsafactjack on May 17, 2013 at 12:23 AM

Didn’t mean it in a bad way. Everybody likes Suave!

KCB on May 17, 2013 at 12:21 AM

O, I understood. :) How could anyone mean it in a bad way? I mean, smell me!

*fans self into room*

I’m delicious.

Axe on May 17, 2013 at 12:23 AM

Y’all past players of dungeons and dragons?

bazil9 on May 17, 2013 at 12:10 AM

Elements of a mis-spent youth. D&D until 2 AM Saturday night, then up the next morning for church.

/Yep, them was fun days

AZfederalist on May 17, 2013 at 12:24 AM

Minor Swing

novaculus on May 17, 2013 at 12:24 AM

I’m glad.:)

thatsafactjack on May 17, 2013 at 12:23 AM

I call her Lady Princess, and she calls me Knight Liam.

She is the one I wish I married.

Liam on May 17, 2013 at 12:25 AM

must bow out-
laterz.
xo Plug and Ken.

bazil9 on May 17, 2013 at 12:25 AM

Two Pieces. Here and here. See what you think. ; )

Bmore on May 17, 2013 at 12:25 AM

You still around, RWM?

Liam on May 17, 2013 at 12:26 AM

Axe on May 17, 2013 at 12:22 AM

Good evening, Axefellow.:) I’m delighted to see you.

thatsafactjack on May 17, 2013 at 12:26 AM

RWM- that’s. Why I posed the kmer rouge analogy.

Low info’s.

It’s not the same with your examples, I don’t believe.

My grandfather was taught to hate Mussolini and Hitler’s policies. Not adore them.

Only home schooled teenagers would have any idea who Wilson was. Or FDR.

Public schools are run by progressives.

wolly4321 on May 17, 2013 at 12:27 AM

Shaw-Live

KCB on May 17, 2013 at 12:27 AM

Bmore, looks coold.

Pls. consider doing one with the Three Monkeys of Oblivion.

Obama
Holder
Hillary

Schadenfreude on May 17, 2013 at 12:27 AM

Night B9!

KCB on May 17, 2013 at 12:27 AM

Minor Swing

novaculus on May 17, 2013 at 12:24 AM

LOVE Django!

williamg on May 17, 2013 at 12:28 AM

Axe on May 17, 2013 at 12:20 AM

Ohhhhhhh yes! I sent her that one I think!!

Scrumpy on May 17, 2013 at 12:28 AM

Bmore, looks cool (cold too, but spelled right).

Schadenfreude on May 17, 2013 at 12:28 AM

Liam on May 17, 2013 at 12:25 AM

That’s a very touching story. You should write it. Fictionalize it if you wish, but that’s the heart and soul of a great story.

thatsafactjack on May 17, 2013 at 12:28 AM

You still around, RWM?

Liam on May 17, 2013 at 12:26 AM

Yes.

Resist We Much on May 17, 2013 at 12:28 AM

There were goon squads in the US under Wilson (American Protective League) and a little less obvious during FDR (NRA’s Blue Eagle enforcers).

Resist We Much on May 17, 2013 at 12:23 AM

For the young among us, that was the National Recovery Act — a socialist program passed by FDR and his democrat majority — NOT the National Rifle Association

AZfederalist on May 17, 2013 at 12:29 AM

Scump is smoking..just know it.
SP’s magic ball says so.

bazil9 on May 17, 2013 at 12:22 AM

The magic one is lefty. That’s righties big twin brother. They hang out together.

O_o <— evil laugh track goes here.

SparkPlug on May 17, 2013 at 12:29 AM

ozzy/lita

jrsrigmvr on May 17, 2013 at 12:29 AM

Bmore on May 17, 2013 at 12:25 AM

number two is good, but number one is money!

KCB on May 17, 2013 at 12:29 AM

There were goon squads in the US under Wilson (American Protective League) and a little less obvious during FDR (NRA’s Blue Eagle enforcers).

Resist We Much on May 17, 2013 at 12:23 AM

And peep this, people with un-this-peeped peepers.

And then peep this, to forget peeping that.

Axe on May 17, 2013 at 12:29 AM

Bmore on May 17, 2013 at 12:25 AM

number two is good, but number one is money!

KCB on May 17, 2013 at 12:29 AM

And stop by more often!

KCB on May 17, 2013 at 12:30 AM

novaculus on May 17, 2013 at 12:24 AM

Good evening, Nova! I hope you’re well. :)

So … you’re cuing up Django Reinhardt… very cool. :)

thatsafactjack on May 17, 2013 at 12:30 AM

Bmore gets inspired by pie. Then he does art.

SparkPlug on May 17, 2013 at 12:31 AM

That’s a very touching story. You should write it. Fictionalize it if you wish, but that’s the heart and soul of a great story.

thatsafactjack on May 17, 2013 at 12:28 AM

I write and get it out. But never overtly.

Liam on May 17, 2013 at 12:31 AM

Ohhhhhhh yes! I sent her that one I think!!

Scrumpy on May 17, 2013 at 12:28 AM

Well, exactly how many did you send her, young lady? :)

Everyone is so much faster than me to carpe their diems. And it’s not like I’m not carpe-ing my diem or something — far from it.

Axe on May 17, 2013 at 12:31 AM

jrsrigmvr on May 17, 2013 at 12:29 AM

FRED! Good evening. :)

Too cool. :)

thatsafactjack on May 17, 2013 at 12:32 AM

The Dream

novaculus on May 17, 2013 at 12:32 AM

Good evening, my friend. I’ve not seen you in a very long while. I hope all is well with you. :)

In-a-gadda-da-vida – Iron Butterfly

thatsafactjack on May 17, 2013 at 12:20 AM

Hey Jackie!

Everything is as well as should be: 2nd shift and no internet access makes me VERY depressed cuz i can’t timely comments…lol

All Right Now: Free

BlaxPac on May 17, 2013 at 12:32 AM

Axe on May 17, 2013 at 12:31 AM

2. I also sent Softer Still, it’s kinda ‘sexy’ :-)

Scrumpy on May 17, 2013 at 12:33 AM

BlaxPac on May 17, 2013 at 12:32 AM

I’ve missed you around here! I haven’t forgotten our popcorn fest, either! :)

That’s a very cool tune. Love that one. :)

thatsafactjack on May 17, 2013 at 12:33 AM

Good evening, Axefellow.:) I’m delighted to see you.

thatsafactjack on May 17, 2013 at 12:26 AM

Graceful Jackie. Unwound? :)

Axe on May 17, 2013 at 12:33 AM

Unusual

Schadenfreude on May 17, 2013 at 12:34 AM

thatsafactjack on May 17, 2013 at 12:30 AM

hi Jackie-

Check upstream for a couple of more tunes. Bromberg, Dan Hicks…

novaculus on May 17, 2013 at 12:34 AM

Yes.

Resist We Much on May 17, 2013 at 12:28 AM

Just some music for my time, maybe before you were born.

For your pleasure, if you will…

Ventura Highway, by America. An old fave of mine. I recall when it was new.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f5J54RVZjYs

Liam on May 17, 2013 at 12:35 AM

Yes.

Resist We Much on May 17, 2013 at 12:28 AM

lol — So, Resist, with blue eyes and what with earthquakes:

Y’all past players of dungeons and dragons?

bazil9 on May 17, 2013 at 12:10 AM

lol — Eh?

Axe on May 17, 2013 at 12:35 AM

Bmore on May 17, 2013 at 12:25 AM

Dang man!! Those are GOOD!!!

Scrumpy on May 17, 2013 at 12:35 AM

@BMore, I liked the punk one, but you should know my first thought, before looking close and reading, was bomb. :)

Axe on May 17, 2013 at 12:36 AM

Just a reminder…Obama had Marines violate their uniform code today…

What a Putz!

http://patterico.com/2013/05/16/compare-and-contrast/

workingclass artist on May 17, 2013 at 12:06 AM

workingclass artist:

Hopey’s a Klutz/Putz,which reminds me of when,Changey visited the
Queen in England,and decided to give a toast,and the Brits National
anthem started to play,and she gave him that look!!

Obama Trying To Toast To Queen Elizabeth During National Anthem
****************************************************************

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i2-KDETdxeE

canopfor on May 17, 2013 at 12:36 AM

Axe on May 17, 2013 at 12:35 AM

I’ve never played D&D. Seriously.

Resist We Much on May 17, 2013 at 12:36 AM

Axe on May 17, 2013 at 12:33 AM

LOL! Well… working on it. I was sideswiped by some last minute hitches today… but resolved them just in time for the video to burn out on my main computer. Its in the shop… and I’m using my backup. It’s been one long week. :)

thatsafactjack on May 17, 2013 at 12:37 AM

So, Axe what did you send Lila!

I KNOW it’s gotta be good!!

Scrumpy on May 17, 2013 at 12:37 AM

I’ve missed you around here! I haven’t forgotten our popcorn fest, either! :)

That’s a very cool tune. Love that one. :)

thatsafactjack on May 17, 2013 at 12:33 AM

After the last few months of doc-dumps from the Administration, i think my popcorn deficit is in the quad-triple digits…

Im working on Nacho Cheeze rice cakes now…lol

BlaxPac on May 17, 2013 at 12:37 AM

The TEA party was revived by Obama.

Nixon was redeemed by Obama.

Don’t forget that the TEA party was quieted after 2010.

They will surpass 2010 in 2014, with ferver.

Bravo Obama!!! A+ h/t Del

Schadenfreude on May 17, 2013 at 12:38 AM

Y’all past players of dungeons and dragons?

bazil9 on May 17, 2013 at 12:10 AM

bazil9:(I’m Kidding):)

DEVIL WORSHIPPERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
(sarc)

canopfor on May 17, 2013 at 12:39 AM

Unusual

Schadenfreude on May 17, 2013 at 12:34 AM

That was definitely unusual! Hi Schad!

KCB on May 17, 2013 at 12:40 AM

Schadenfreude on May 17, 2013 at 12:38 AM

I am pinning my hopes all on that!!

TP’ers United all across America!!

One huge fracking blow out!!

Hows about a 3 million TP march on DC for starters!!

Scrumpy on May 17, 2013 at 12:40 AM

NASCAR legend Dick Trickle commits suicide at 71, calling police beforehand to instruct them where to find his dead body

Resist We Much on May 17, 2013 at 12:35 AM

*Chiquita?*

An ‘old man’ should be at least one full man away from suicide. :/

Sad seeing that.

Axe on May 17, 2013 at 12:43 AM

….to be literal….it’s saxophones and a bass clarinet……

williamg on May 17, 2013 at 12:43 AM

Evil Woman

novaculus on May 17, 2013 at 12:43 AM

Schadenfreude on May 17, 2013 at 12:34 AM

WOW! That was incerdible!! Diving Giraffes!

Keep finding more like that!! I loved it!

Thanks that was brilliant!

Scrumpy on May 17, 2013 at 12:45 AM

Y’all past players of dungeons and dragons?

bazil9 on May 17, 2013 at 12:10 AM

Is 2 years ago considered the past, or do you mean the PAST past?

^x^

BlaxPac on May 17, 2013 at 12:46 AM

Actually that was fvcking ACE!!!!

Scrumpy on May 17, 2013 at 12:46 AM

Schadenfreude on May 17, 2013 at 12:34 AM

That was remarkable! There was a moment that reminded me of the poem “The Paris Metro” and then a scene that was very reminiscent of Esher’s stairs, and it moved into a surrealist feeling ala Dali, and then it flowed into a feel of ballet, straight into thinking of swans, and of when I was 7 and saw the trapeze artists at the circus, to a chorus line as the giraffes bowed to drink. It was so fascinating I couldn’t look away. I’ve bookmarked it and will definitely show it to friend with the appropriat hat tip to you. Thanks. :)

thatsafactjack on May 17, 2013 at 12:47 AM

So, Axe what did you send Lila!

I KNOW it’s gotta be good!!

Scrumpy on May 17, 2013 at 12:37 AM

All I’m going to send is The Mirage. :)

As soon as I fix two words . . . that keep sticking me.

I thought maybe I could ask her to sneak in a poem by me, secretly. Not sure about that yet. :) Most of my “serious” stuff is signed by real-world me.

I have to say, real world me is getting p!ssed at Axe being in the way. You know how many times RWM could have called me me by now?

Meh. brb. Fridge run.

Axe on May 17, 2013 at 12:47 AM

Hows about a 3 million TP march on DC for starters!!

Scrumpy on May 17, 2013 at 12:40 AM

We already had one with around half a million and no one bothered reporting it – or when they finally did they called it 50,000 people. O’Really gave us the benefit of the doubt and put the number at 65,000. And it didn’t get the GOP to do anything, anyway. They just sat by while Barky and the dems used every criminal technique in the book to shove BarkyCare through. Boner, as minority leader, wouldn’t even force one complete reading of one version of the the pathetic 2000+ page bill.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on May 17, 2013 at 12:47 AM

Turning in folks! TGIF. Well here..almost.

KCB on May 17, 2013 at 12:48 AM

“Common core”. Pretty much leads to nothing good.

If you have kids in school, you better google it.

A few states have gotten wise to it.

It. Is. Not. Good.

Maybe reseach how ideological it is.

Be advised, if it’s a gubmint site, they are selling it.

The progs are hell bent here in AZ.

wolly4321 on May 17, 2013 at 12:48 AM

Ah, well….nobody cares……..

G’night

williamg on May 17, 2013 at 12:48 AM

Dunno who this guy is, but ‘y’all’ might…

NASCAR legend Dick Trickle commits suicide at 71, calling police beforehand to instruct them where to find his dead body

Resist We Much on May 17, 2013 at 12:35 AM

Resist We Much:

I have heard of him,I’m more of a Drag Racing type of fan,
anywho,he must of been in some kind of turmoil in his life:)

canopfor on May 17, 2013 at 12:49 AM

Schadenfreude on May 17, 2013 at 12:38 AM

I am pinning my hopes all on that!!

TP’ers United all across America!!

One huge fracking blow out!!

Hows about a 3 million TP march on DC for starters!!

Scrumpy on May 17, 2013 at 12:40 AM

Count me in. The tea party is back huge I pray. Schad is right it’s cause of IrsObama.

SparkPlug on May 17, 2013 at 12:49 AM

Hi Ken!

Schadenfreude on May 17, 2013 at 12:49 AM

LOL! Well… working on it. I was sideswiped by some last minute hitches today… but resolved them just in time for the video to burn out on my main computer. Its in the shop… and I’m using my backup. It’s been one long week. :)

thatsafactjack on May 17, 2013 at 12:37 AM

U beat the hell out of your puter. :)

So cool. Burned. It. Up.

Axe on May 17, 2013 at 12:49 AM

williamg on May 17, 2013 at 12:48 AM

Hi. Stay here.

SparkPlug on May 17, 2013 at 12:50 AM

BlaxPac on May 17, 2013 at 12:37 AM

Hmm.. rice cakes… I hadn’t considered those in Nacho Cheese. Interesting. :)

thatsafactjack on May 17, 2013 at 12:50 AM

Ah, well….nobody cares……..

G’night

williamg on May 17, 2013 at 12:48 AM

williamg:Sweet Dreams WG:)

canopfor on May 17, 2013 at 12:51 AM

Ah, well….nobody cares……..

G’night

williamg on May 17, 2013 at 12:48 AM

Everyone cares. INC always talks common core. Malkin too. :)

Everyone gets invisible sometimes. I was complaining about that the other night. And I smell like Suave.

Axe on May 17, 2013 at 12:51 AM

You know how many times RWM could have called me me by now?

Meh. brb. Fridge run.

Axe on May 17, 2013 at 12:47 AM

Hah, you mean Sophie.

Schadenfreude on May 17, 2013 at 12:52 AM

Me bugging out as well,my stupid computer.,,,arghhh,

GoodNight Patriots,everyone have a great night——————:)

canopfor on May 17, 2013 at 12:54 AM

Evil Woman

novaculus on May 17, 2013 at 12:54 AM

Axe on May 17, 2013 at 12:47 AM

I already told my neighbours!! I am gonna gave a full house tomorrow!! Watching it…

Schadenfreude…

THAT was the best thing I have seen in ages!! Thank you for sharing {hugs}

Scrumpy on May 17, 2013 at 12:54 AM

Axe on May 17, 2013 at 12:49 AM

Yes… I’m afraid working straight through was too much for it.Ah well… it will be fixed up soon… they said Monday. Still… good to know I can outwork the thing. Yes… that’s right… Jackie beat the machine. Take that “Metropolis”! LOL!:)

thatsafactjack on May 17, 2013 at 12:55 AM

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on May 17, 2013 at 12:47 AM

Yes I know :-(.

But I believe this time (if there is) It will be impossible to ignore!

Scrumpy on May 17, 2013 at 12:55 AM

canopfor on May 17, 2013 at 12:54 AM

Goodnight, Canopfor! Good to know I’m not the only one going one on one with the machine. Sleep well. :)

thatsafactjack on May 17, 2013 at 12:56 AM

thatsafactjack on May 17, 2013 at 12:47 AM

Found it fascinating and liked all you described. I loved circuses as a kid. However, I find something very odd about the giraffes diving. Never knew they could do that.

Pls. share, freely. No need for h-tips :)

Schadenfreude on May 17, 2013 at 12:56 AM

Ah, well….nobody cares……..

G’night

williamg on May 17, 2013 at 12:48 AM

Thats not a good attitude to cop now is it?!!

Good Night williamg :-)

Scrumpy on May 17, 2013 at 12:56 AM

Speaking of Dali, Axe, study up. Sophie likes.

If you already know this, of course just ignore.

Schadenfreude on May 17, 2013 at 12:57 AM

Evil Woman

novaculus on May 17, 2013 at 12:57 AM

williamg on May 17, 2013 at 12:48 AM

Goodnight, williamg. Of course we care. There’s so much to do tonight, the thread is moving along, a lot of tunes and clips to view. I hope you don’t think I was ignoring you. Sleep well. :)

thatsafactjack on May 17, 2013 at 12:58 AM

Yes… I’m afraid working straight through was too much for it.Ah well… it will be fixed up soon… they said Monday. Still… good to know I can outwork the thing. Yes… that’s right… Jackie beat the machine. Take that “Metropolis”! LOL!:)

thatsafactjack on May 17, 2013 at 12:55 AM

*looks around at endless franken-equipment, held together by prayer and love*

*nods*

Axe on May 17, 2013 at 12:58 AM

KCB on May 17, 2013 at 12:48 AM

Hope your here, if not Good night Ken!! Sleep well!

Good night too to canopfor!!

God Bless you both

Scrumpy on May 17, 2013 at 12:58 AM

ac/dc

jrsrigmvr on May 17, 2013 at 12:59 AM

Then – this weary, winsome ballad fills my head…..

williamg on May 17, 2013 at 12:24 AM

Love this. Sorry that I didn’t catch up with you sooner, brilliant one.

Schadenfreude on May 17, 2013 at 12:59 AM

SparkPlug on May 17, 2013 at 12:49 AM

I will go even if it means flying!!

I wouldn’t miss it for ALL the tea in China nope sirree!!

Scrumpy on May 17, 2013 at 1:00 AM

So, the “Womp” business. Is that pronounced “woomp” or “wahmp”?

cptacek on May 17, 2013 at 1:00 AM

NASCAR legend Dick Trickle commits suicide at 71, calling police beforehand to instruct them where to find his dead body

Resist We Much on May 17, 2013 at 12:35 AM

Ugh. That’s awful. His name was always good for laugh for those who ever heard it, but he was a NASCAR icon in his own right. I’m sure FOX and NASCAR will do a tribute to him this Saturday. Ironically Saturday night is the all-star race (think NFL Pro Bowl or Major League All-Star Game).

Much of Trickle’s short-track success came in Wisconsin, where he was nicknamed the “White Knight” because of his SuperAmerica paint scheme.

Reigning Sprint Cup champion Brad Keselowski said Trickle was “the guy” when it came to Midwest short-track racing.
“He meant a lot to the local short-track racers,” Keselowski said after unveiling his Miller Lite fan mosaic paint scheme for Saturday’s All-Star race. “Kind of more the Midwest style of racing, which was track by track when NASCAR was more of a regional Southern sport before it had developed to the national platform it is now. He was the superstar of that style.

“It is very sad to see him go, and obviously difficult with the way it went.”

NotCoach on May 17, 2013 at 1:01 AM

This one is for Jackie:

Fool For You

novaculus on May 17, 2013 at 1:01 AM

Axe on May 17, 2013 at 12:58 AM

Actually, I get absurdly attached to these things. I hate it when I actually have to replace one. It’s silly, I know.

thatsafactjack on May 17, 2013 at 1:03 AM

NotCoach on May 17, 2013 at 1:01 AM

Sad to think he would take his own life…

Perhaps he was suffering and couldn’t endure it any longer…

God rest his weary soul may he R.I.P!!

Scrumpy on May 17, 2013 at 1:04 AM

KCB on May 17, 2013 at 12:48 AM

Hope your here, if not Good night Ken!! Sleep well!

Sneaked back in for a sec and saw this. XXXOOO!

KCB on May 17, 2013 at 1:04 AM

NotCoach on May 17, 2013 at 1:01 AM

Very sad news. Trickle was by all accounts a much respected racer. Anyone who ever saw him do an interview could see the humor and the magnetism of the guy. It’s a shame.

novaculus on May 17, 2013 at 1:05 AM

cptacek on May 17, 2013 at 1:00 AM

Whoomp maybe?

Scrumpy on May 17, 2013 at 1:05 AM

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