Good news: Bipartisan group of House members working on immigration bill too

posted at 7:24 pm on January 28, 2013 by Allahpundit

If you assume that some sort of terrible immigration reform bill is destined to pass, then maybe this is for the best.

According to a House member involved in the talks, the bipartisan group is extremely close to not only an agreement, but to actually producing legislation. While a specific time table is not yet known, a bill could be introduced in the next several weeks, according to this lawmaker.

“I’m very cautious because we’ve been here before,” the member said, pointing to previous failed efforts at reforming the system. But after four years of often intense, secretive negotiations by the group, legislation now appears to be close at hand.

A leadership aide offered a slightly more cautious assessment, but acknowledged the group which also includes border-state Republicans, Latino Democrats and others has made progress…

The involvement of Sen. Marco Rubio in the efforts both in the House and the Senate have been key, Democratic and Republican aides said. One Republican aide noted Rubio “has had extensive conversations with House members over the last three month” building on his unsuccessful efforts last year to find compromise on the Dream Act. Those discussions have included key committee chairmen as well as influential conseravtives like Rep. Raul Labrador, members of the Congressional Hispanic Caucus and leadership.

Boehner is reportedly “pretty optimistic” that a deal can be made, in case you thought House Republicans were prepared to torpedo the Senate’s efforts on immigration the way they’ll surely torpedo any significant gun-control bill that Reid can get through. So why is this, potentially, a positive development? Because, in theory, a House immigration bill will be more conservative than anything that comes out of the Senate and that’ll be useful in dragging Reid’s bill towards the right in the conference committee later. Although, admittedly, after the fiscal-cliff deal and the Sandy relief bill passed with only a minority of Republican votes, that’s a dodgier proposition. Maybe we’ve reached the point in the House now where Boehner’s all but abandoned the conservatives in the caucus and is prepared to pass key legislation with a huge majority of Democrats and a small but reliable band of Republican centrists — a total repudiation of the “Hastert Rule,” in other words. In that case, who knows just how squishy the eventual House bill will be? In fact, a friend who’s savvy about politics e-mailed me after the Sandy bill passed to say that immigration would be a true test of how far Boehner’s willing to go, and maybe also a test of how far conservatives are willing to let him go:

I’d suggest that something more subtle may be going on. What you *may* have on the GOP side with the Sandy bill, the fiscal cliff deal, and now a debt ceiling deal is a collective action dilemma. The party collectively does not want the political fallout from keeping those things from becoming law, but members don’t want to do the anti-conservative thing and vote for them, because they will catch hell back home. Thus, they have empowered Boehner to go make deals with the Democrats; that way, they get their cake and eat it, too: the spend-a-thon continues, but they can boast of how they voted against it.

The real test of my thesis versus the Roll Call article’s suggestion (that Dems control the House floor) will be on pieces of legislation that aren’t related to crises. Specifically, immigration and gun control, where the status quo of doing nothing is acceptable. We’ll have to see what Boehner does. If he lets the committee system do its work on these bills, then lets them go through Rules, and ultimately on to the floor with a majority of GOP support, that’s a signal the GOP caucus is in charge. If he negotiates with Reid/Obama, then brings bills directly to the floor, then yeah, the Dems are in charge.

Early bit of evidence in my favor: Boehner was elected Speaker just a day or two after the cliff deal. That tells me that he wasn’t really going against the will of the caucus. If he had, then we would have seen a bigger coup attempt than the idiotic one that happened.

Even if the draft of the House bill is more conservative than the Senate’s draft, the fact that Boehner has proved that he’s willing and able to get tough bills passed by relying on Democrats means Reid and Obama have every incentive to drive a hard bargain in the conference committee. They know there’s a moderate contingent in the House that’s prepared to defy the base; they also know that Republican leaders are in a white-knuckle panic about further alienating Latinos by being cornered on this issue. The votes will be there in the House for whatever Senate Democrats produce so there’s no reason to move to the right in their own draft. Only if the Republican caucus stuck together would the House have real leverage, but we already know that they won’t and thus don’t. In which case, I repeat what I said earlier: If the party really is convinced that a cynical, politically calculated cave on this subject is the only way to begin to heal the breach with Latino voters, despite even centrist conservative pundits warning them that that’s a sucker’s game, then they’re far better off voting for it unanimously than having a majority of the caucus split off and vote no on principle. That would be the ultimate gift to Obama but I think that’s what we’re destined to see. Influential voices on the right are already being raised against the bill, from Ted Cruz to Rush Limbaugh to the boss emeritus. Which House Republican from a strongly conservative district wants to run in 2014 with the base mad at him for voting to legalize illegals?


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Doubling down.

Bmore on January 28, 2013 at 7:25 PM

sucker’s game

Yep, Of which we have a good supply of.

Bmore on January 28, 2013 at 7:28 PM

Because, in theory, a House immigration bill will be more conservative than anything that comes out of the Senate and that’ll be useful in dragging Reid’s bill towards the right in the conference committee later.

You’re high.

besser tot als rot on January 28, 2013 at 7:29 PM

Bipartisan=All the institutions of your once great nation are being field dressed, wrapped in freezer paper, put into the freezer. Not a damn thing you can do about it either.

Bmore on January 28, 2013 at 7:29 PM

Good news: Bipartisan group of House members working on immigration bill too
posted at 7:24 pm on January 28, 2013 by Allahpundit

I don’t really think that is good news.

arnold ziffel on January 28, 2013 at 7:29 PM

If the party really is convinced that a cynical, politically calculated cave on this subject is the only way to begin to heal the breach with Latino voters, despite even centrist conservative pundits warning them that that’s a sucker’s game, then they’re far better off voting for it unanimously than having a majority of the caucus split off and vote no on principle.

Totally irrelevant. At that point, the party is operatively dead.

besser tot als rot on January 28, 2013 at 7:31 PM

Or should that have been, goodly?

Bmore on January 28, 2013 at 7:32 PM

Whigs?

Bmore on January 28, 2013 at 7:32 PM

Might as well start a third party for all the good the GOP does us. Wasn’t re-taking the House in 2010 wonderful?

I am to the point that when I get solicitation letters from the GOP I am going to fill the postage-paid envelopes so full that the return postage will cost at least $3.00. Think the USPS would accept the postage-paid return envelope if I pasted it to a brick?

bw222 on January 28, 2013 at 7:33 PM

Here’s an idea you buffoons, how about enforcing the laws already on the books? Or better yet, why haven’t you gone after Chairman Obama for his illegal EO on amenesty signed last summer?

Good to know you idiots are unconcerned about our huge debt and out of control spending.

JPeterman on January 28, 2013 at 7:34 PM

Boehner must go.

Nessuno on January 28, 2013 at 7:34 PM

Whenever I hear “bipartisan commission” I get that skin-crawling feeling and my copy of the Constitution starts crying.

Bishop on January 27, 2013 at 1:09 PM

INC on January 28, 2013 at 7:35 PM

The House GOP had their chance to remove BOHICA, and they didn’t even bother. So let them commit eternal political suicide while I don’t care. This may be the last time ever non-Socialists hold any role in government, period.

Myron Falwell on January 28, 2013 at 7:39 PM

I don’t even care anymore. Pass it, fine. I hate the idea of pandering to ethnic groups, but I think Democrats’ Latino support is a lot softer than blacks. Democrats feared losing the entire south forever after they capitulated on civil rights, and now they’re winning FL, VA, NM, NV, CO and making us vulnerable in NC.

Bush won reelection with something like 45% Hispanic support. Romney lost all the southern/southwestern swing states with about 27% Latino support. I hate doing these kinds of numbers, but immigration was arguably the most conservative plank of Romney’s platform. It sure seems like there’s an obvious connection.

Either way you go, we’re fighting a losing battle. Illegal immigrants are having kids that are, right now, declared citizens. If we keep talking about deporting them, they will vote against us.

crrr6 on January 28, 2013 at 7:39 PM

Congress is absolutely useless. What an assemblage of ignorant, elitist, a**holes.

ultracon on January 28, 2013 at 7:40 PM

Anything done in DC is pure theater to fool the masses. Don’t care, do what you want GOP. I won’t defend you any longer. I’m busy preparing.

SirGawain on January 28, 2013 at 7:40 PM

But after four years of often intense, secretive negotiations by the group, legislation now appears to be close at hand.

W.T.F.?? You mean all the way through the Tea Party rise, Arizona bill, etc, etc. nobody leaked anything? Congress is better at keeping secrets about an immigration bill than actual national security secrets about terrorists? How does that happen?

sauldalinsky on January 28, 2013 at 7:40 PM

Totally irrelevant. At that point, the party is operatively dead.

besser tot als rot on January 28, 2013 at 7:31 PM

Where is the grave so I can go piss on it.

SirGawain on January 28, 2013 at 7:40 PM

(flame away!)

crrr6 on January 28, 2013 at 7:41 PM

Think the USPS would accept the postage-paid return envelope if I pasted it to a brick?

bw222 on January 28, 2013 at 7:33 PM

Lol! Worth a try. Keep us updated as to whether it works or not.

Bmore on January 28, 2013 at 7:41 PM

You can’t fix stupid and the house is run by the truly stupid. There is no excuse for it any longer.

How are we going to afford the trillions of dollars this will cost? Silly me for asking. What difference does it make at this point.

aniptofar on January 28, 2013 at 7:42 PM

Yknow, if Canadia decides to invade Washington and annex Seattle, I might not even resist.

(their goofy beaver-money is still dumb, though)

Jeddite on January 28, 2013 at 7:42 PM

We all know this phony immigration “reform” can be stopped by the GOP in the House. So if it passes in order to pander to Hispanics I’m done with the GOP and will be voting third party. Since the GOP is pretty much worthless. Thankfully Sen Sessions called out this phony immigration “reform”.

Hera on January 28, 2013 at 7:42 PM

I no longer trust Rubio McCain Mini Me, at all, certainly not any farther than I can throw him. Rubio was big on the Arab Spring and probably still is. He, along with his new dad McCain, pushed at Obama to get even more involved in Libya, so Benghazi is blood on his hands too. Rubio, like McCain, seems absolutely incapable of learning anything. That’s ‘assuming’ that he is the least bit sincere. Be it about Muslims, who will never be for liberty, or illegal Mexicans, who if made legal will overwhelmingly vote democrat to the point of obliterating what’s left of the Republican party and much of America. When I look at Rubio, now all I see is Juan McCain staring back at me and can almost hear, “My friends”. It has become very clear that Rubio is The Man Who Never Was. He’s just an actor and I think more and more people are starting to see through his act.

VorDaj on January 28, 2013 at 7:43 PM

Which House Republican from a strongly conservative district wants to run in 2014 with the base mad at him for voting to legalize illegals?

You can also substitute House Democrat too. Over at NumbersUSA, people are posting the responses from calling their reps’ offices. There’s some Dems out there who have said no on amnesty. A good example is the case of NC (7) in November where a pro-amnesty Rep lost to an anti-amnesty Dem in a conservative district.

TxAnn56 on January 28, 2013 at 7:44 PM

W.T.F.?? You mean all the way through the Tea Party rise, Arizona bill, etc, etc. nobody leaked anything? Congress is better at keeping secrets about an immigration bill than actual national security secrets about terrorists? How does that happen?

sauldalinsky on January 28, 2013 at 7:40 PM

When you negotiate against yourself, you can keep it as tight-lipped as possible. No one needs to know just how much you look in the mirror and go reverse Stuart Smalley on yourself (that was how BOHICA crafted that fiscal cliff deal).

Myron Falwell on January 28, 2013 at 7:44 PM

But after four years of often intense, secretive negotiations by the group, legislation now appears to be close at hand.

Hmmm… so which reps do we think are involved? They have to have been in congress for 4 years (so no tea partiers), and be willing to work with dems, and be able to keep their mouths shut…

gang of 1, maybe?

Timin203 on January 28, 2013 at 7:45 PM

If the party really is convinced that a cynical, politically calculated cave on this subject is the only way to begin to heal the breach with Latino voters, despite even centrist conservative pundits warning them that that’s a sucker’s game, then they’re far better off voting for it unanimously than having a majority of the caucus split off and vote no on principle.

You just refuted your own point, AP.

Most of the GOP House knows it’s a sucker’s game. For that matter, so do all the Dems. They only people who don’t know they’re being had are, as usual, the RINOs.

The GOP will not gain one vote by caving on immigration. They can only lose votes. If they ignore the media noise and White House marching band, as they did in 2009 when they were blasted as retrograde bigoted Neanderthals, political inertia would carry them to another midterm blowout.

Instead, despite the rest of the party having just endured an entire year marching behind their handpicked candidate, the My Friends wing of the Republican party is going to stick it to the people who carried them to 48% to give their opponents another 20 million voters.

HitNRun on January 28, 2013 at 7:45 PM

I can’t wait for a retired Boehner to apologize to America for “one of the biggest mistakes of my tenure” (or something to that effect).

SouthernGent on January 28, 2013 at 7:46 PM

Boehner must go.

Nessuno on January 28, 2013 at 7:34 PM

The Reps that voted for him to stay Speaker must be considered a pariah to the party at best….traitors to the Republic at worst.

Mr. Arrogant on January 28, 2013 at 7:46 PM

You can also substitute House Democrat too. Over at NumbersUSA, people are posting the responses from calling their reps’ offices. There’s some Dems out there who have said no on amnesty. A good example is the case of NC (7) in November where a pro-amnesty Rep lost to an anti-amnesty Dem in a conservative district.

TxAnn56 on January 28, 2013 at 7:44 PM

Only thing is, enough amnesty votes will be cooked up to favor the Dem, so they won’t even need to worry.

As if we conducted elections in an honest manner…

Myron Falwell on January 28, 2013 at 7:47 PM

If Congress passes a crappy immigration bill, I hope for their sake it includes building a wall around DC.

Dusty on January 28, 2013 at 7:50 PM

As if we conducted elections in an honest manner…

Myron Falwell on January 28, 2013 at 7:47 PM

Boehner seems to like those fiscal cliff/Sandy relief scenarios where he gets most of the Dems and his hand picked minions to pass it. I told my congressman that if this passes and even if he votes no, I’m done. It passes, they all should suffer.

Amnesty = Dem majorities = Dem super majorities. And then you can expect gun confiscation. Maybe that will be the match that finally lights the proverbial fuse.

TxAnn56 on January 28, 2013 at 7:51 PM

Because, in theory, a House immigration bill will be more conservative than anything that comes out of the Senate and that’ll be useful in dragging Reid’s bill towards the right in the conference committee later.

Also in theory you could resurrect Jimi Hendrix and have him play the Star Spangled Banner at the Super Bowl, but chances are that theory will be proven wrong.

Bishop on January 28, 2013 at 7:51 PM

Those discussions have included key committee chairmen as well as influential conseravtives like Rep. Raul Labrador, members of the Congressional Hispanic Caucus and leadership.

Labrador just said today that he opposes a “path to citizenship” and thinks it will have a hard time passing the House.

Jon0815 on January 28, 2013 at 7:52 PM

Kill O’care and we will sign the Illegal Forgiveness Act…

hillsoftx on January 28, 2013 at 7:52 PM

The only reason we voted for them was so they could prevent this. Do they expect we’ll bother to vote for them next time if they do this? An all Democrat congress wouldn’t even be considering a white minoritization bill, and they didn’t touch it when they had both houses.

Buddahpundit on January 28, 2013 at 7:52 PM

No.. It will get a majority of House Republicans. The leader of the Republican Party supports it.. not Boehner, the actual leader. (Hint.. he ran for VP.). In fact it seems like Rubio and Ryan have been hatching something over then past few months.

Illinidiva on January 28, 2013 at 7:52 PM

The REASON was have (at least) 11 million illegal immigrants in this country is because our government refuses to enforce our existing laws.

We need to

1st: Look at the current laws and tweak them if it makes sense

2nd: Enforce the laws (just like any other country would)

last: decide what to do about the entrenched illegal immigrants currently living in this county.

LilyBart on January 28, 2013 at 7:52 PM

And..I’m sick of our ‘representatives’ looking at just one angle of the problem and not stepping back and looking at the whole.

In this case, with amnesty (which this will become) you are rewarding people who’ve broken our laws for their own benefit, and punishing people who’ve followed the rules. Is this really a good idea?

Our idiot liberal repubicans think we need to pander to the hispanics in order to get elected. I think they are wrong.

I’m PRO immigration. Legal Immigration, that is.

LilyBart on January 28, 2013 at 7:55 PM

Secretive negotiations, huh, well isn’t that nice. Maybe the Politburo will inform the proles when they have made a decision on how the nation will move forward. Or not. Whatever, it’s time for me to schlep off to my shift at the broom factory.

Bishop on January 28, 2013 at 7:56 PM

I wonder if Nancy Peloski will have the Speaker’s gavel platinum coated when she retakes it in 2014?

Mr. Arrogant on January 28, 2013 at 7:56 PM

From a commenter at NumbersUSA

“I called today, and I have good news. The leadership of the House (Cantor, Ryan, Rodgers, and the Speaker) are horrified at the angry backlash over this proposed amnesty. Call every day until this thing is defeated! If we can stop amnesty in a good economy (2007), then we can stop it when unemployment is closer to 12% (the true unemployment rate)!”

TxAnn56 on January 28, 2013 at 7:57 PM

If the party really is convinced that a cynical, politically calculated cave on this subject is the only way to begin to heal the breach with Latino voters,

How about the breach with conservative voters? That’s right they think we have no place else to go. I will show the national GOP a finger and work to put good conservatives into office at the local/state level.

chemman on January 28, 2013 at 7:58 PM

It should be noted again that the GOP will not gain a single Latino vote, for the same reason that nominating a decorated combat veteran did not gain the Democrats a single military vote in 2004. 1) You cannot promise more to Latinos than the Democrats will. The Democrats will be happy to one-up the RINOs up to and including care packages for new citizens and reparations to Mexico for stupid gringos. 2) The “would-be Republican” Latino voter is the biggest crock of —- since Republican Colin Powell, and anyway the supposed SoCon bent of Latinos is vanishing in the second generation, almost as young Latinos were growing up in big cities in the United States or something 3) Poor, unskilled, ethnically polarized people are not ever going to vote Republican.

You cannot outflank a Democrat on his Left. If the eventual fate of the GOP is to become irrelevant because of Latinos, than that’s their eventual fate. That’s decades away. Better to stand firm and effect the outcome somewhat. Even now the GOP could extract huge concessions on several topics in exchange for residency: no voting rights or a 20 year wait, total Dem surrender on school choice, or a number of other issues as important to the paradigm could radically altered if the GOP were willing to walk away from the table.

Eventually, as their numbers become smaller, whites will become more partisan, and as they become richer, Latinos would be less so. There’s no angle in giving the game away quickly in order to gain…nothing.

HitNRun on January 28, 2013 at 7:59 PM

The political winds are shifting.

In other words, screw what’s right, and the hell with what is right for the country, and cave in because public opinion is on the side of what’s wrong.

Like that’s going to garner votes for republicans?

Effing morons….

JannyMae on January 28, 2013 at 8:01 PM

I wonder why Hot Air has not posted Sen Sessions response to this phoney immigration “reform”. Is Hot Air like Obama only interested in hearing one side?

Hera on January 28, 2013 at 8:02 PM

WASHINGTON (AP) — Congress is sending a $50.5 billion emergency relief measure for Superstorm Sandy victims to President Barack Obama for his signature.

The Senate on Monday cleared the bill, 62-36. Northeast lawmakers say the money is desperately needed to help recovery efforts from the one of the region’s worst storms. The House passed the bill two weeks ago.

Betrayed once again.

Mr. Arrogant on January 28, 2013 at 8:02 PM

Also in theory you could resurrect Jimi Hendrix and have him play the Star Spangled Banner at the Super Bowl, but chances are that theory will be proven wrong.

Bishop on January 28, 2013 at 7:51 PM

lol, the posters here help keep me from crying or going crazy.

arnold ziffel on January 28, 2013 at 8:03 PM

The GOP is now about to kill itself. Unfortunately they will take the country with them if they pass an Amnesty.

I’ll do whatever I can to make sure the GOP is indeed finished should they pass this. I will vote straight Dem in the 2014 election and I will donate money to the Democrat challengers to any of the Republicans who are instrumental in passing an Amnesty bill.

Damn them to hell. Each and every one.

sartana on January 28, 2013 at 8:03 PM

Ummm… so Numbers USA gives you a propaganda spiel. Paul Ryan was so awfully horrified by the situation that he made sure to leak the fact that he is totally integral to the House proposal and brought everyone together. Latinos should support him for President. This is going to happen. It helps Rubio/ Ryan in a 2016. Let’s get past this xenophobic crap.

Illinidiva on January 28, 2013 at 8:03 PM

Come to Hot Air, where blogger opinion ranges from from “I love me some amnesty” (Ed) to “Maybe we should embrace amnesty since it’s destined to happen anyway” (AP)

Jon0815 on January 28, 2013 at 8:03 PM

Wow, I’m feeling really encouraged about the future of democracy, now that I know that a secret cabal of Democrat and renegade Republican “representatives” have been negotiating in secret for four years to determine how they’re going to nullify all the immigration laws and citizenship requirements we thought we lived under for the past 20 years. I’ll tell ya, it really makes you want to go out and vote, doesn’t it?

Socratease on January 28, 2013 at 8:04 PM

“I called today, and I have good news. The leadership of the House (Cantor, Ryan, Rodgers, and the Speaker) are horrified at the angry backlash over this proposed amnesty.
TxAnn56 on January 28, 2013 at 7:57 PM

I don’t believe anything they say anymore. This is all about them, career politicians who will say anything if it means keeping their jobs.

“We the people” do not matter to them anymore.

JPeterman on January 28, 2013 at 8:04 PM

I wonder why Hot Air has not posted Sen Sessions response to this phoney immigration “reform”. Is Hot Air like Obama only interested in hearing one side?

Hera on January 28, 2013 at 8:02 PM

Excuse me but, is your last name Van Winkle?

Mr. Arrogant on January 28, 2013 at 8:04 PM

The political winds are shifting.

Oh that they are, downwind from the sewer farm and the republicans apparently love that smell.

arnold ziffel on January 28, 2013 at 8:05 PM

I still think a problem with the GOP is not learning the value of strategic retreat and incrementalism. Democrats have mastered this to great effect. Obama got his ass kicked in 2010 and was immediately signing the high praises of the Bush Tax Cuts while resigning them into law. Democrats grumbled about this a little bit for the most part shut up about it.

We have principles. They have principles. But the difference is that they only present however much of their principles they can reveal based on the political landscape and sometimes a little less.

They want to eradicate the 2nd amendment. We want a border fence and enforcement of the laws on the books. Only one of us is up front about where we want to take the country. They win elections because they advance their agenda a little bit at a time so as to maximize crossover appeal. If they can get universal background checks and permanent modest limitations on magazine sizes, they’ll call it a victory and probably hold most of their numbers. They’re playing the long game. If we can get part of Obamacare dislodged after 2016, we’ll call it half-baked cop-out from a bunch of feckless RINO’s blowing their mandate.

crrr6 on January 28, 2013 at 8:07 PM

Bishop on January 28, 2013 at 7:51 PM

Any favorite Hendrix tune?

Bmore on January 28, 2013 at 8:08 PM

Giving away what isn’t theirs – the Sovereignty of the United States.

Wander on January 28, 2013 at 8:09 PM

Here’s an idea you buffoons, how about enforcing the laws already on the books? Or better yet, why haven’t you gone after Chairman Obama for his illegal EO on amenesty signed last summer?

Good to know you idiots are unconcerned about our huge debt and out of control spending.

JPeterman on January 28, 2013 at 7:34 PM

….THANKS JP…instead of making new laws they won’t inforce.^ ^ ^…I don’t have to say anything!

KOOLAID2 on January 28, 2013 at 8:11 PM

Come to Hot Air, where blogger opinion ranges from from “I love me some amnesty” (Ed) to “Maybe we should embrace amnesty since it’s destined to happen anyway” (AP)

Jon0815 on January 28, 2013 at 8:03 PM

I’ve termed it “Rinolist”, it’s the Right Wing version of Journolist. The Right blogoshere and radio talkers co-ordinate to drive the narrative just as the Left was exposed doing.

We’ll see it shift into overdrive on this issue over the next weeks and months.

sartana on January 28, 2013 at 8:12 PM

So why is this, potentially, a positive development? Because, in theory, a House immigration bill will be more conservative than anything that comes out of the Senate and that’ll be useful in dragging Reid’s bill towards the right in the conference committee later.

That’s … uh … really stupid. WTFF? My G-d, some of you people are just – I don’t want to say it … but think of the worst, most offensive thing you can … and then magnify that 1000-fold.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on January 28, 2013 at 8:12 PM

I wonder if Nancy Peloski will have the Speaker’s gavel platinum coated when she retakes it in 2014?

Mr. Arrogant on January 28, 2013 at 7:56 PM

May as well. Won’t be like she’ll be giving it up again until she’s dead.

besser tot als rot on January 28, 2013 at 8:13 PM

…I hate that picture!…it looks like he just got done sucking on Harry or JugEars again!

KOOLAID2 on January 28, 2013 at 8:13 PM

sartana on January 28, 2013 at 8:12 PM

They’re cunning enough to see how “the Latino issue” is “killing” Republicans – we’re just not smart enough to see it.

The way forward for the GOP is

1) Pander to Latinos
2) Lose the Latino vote 65-30 again
3) ????
4) Win election

HitNRun on January 28, 2013 at 8:13 PM

They aren’t called the stupid party for nothing.

AZfederalist on January 28, 2013 at 8:23 PM

Viva la Raza!

Even though millions of Mexicans have Spanish blood running through their veins, they are somehow reclaiming the land that the White man stole from them.

OxyCon on January 28, 2013 at 8:23 PM

I don’t believe anything they say anymore. This is all about them, career politicians who will say anything if it means keeping their jobs.

“We the people” do not matter to them anymore.

JPeterman on January 28, 2013 at 8:04 PM

I think the gist was that they, i.e. RINO poobahs, weren’t expecting this kind of backlash on day one of the rollout. I guess they assumed those of us who actually give a damn about this country and the rule of law would just roll over. Another person commented that they grilled the aide so much that she started crying because she had been overwhelmed with irate people yelling at her.

TxAnn56 on January 28, 2013 at 8:25 PM

That awful Hugh Hewitt is on the radio right now all excited about the ‘immigration reform’, He thinks we also need to give vouchers to the kids here illegally so they can go to good schools.

These idiot liberal republicans really think that if we join the ‘goodie gravy train’, the republican party will be back in the majority.

LilyBart on January 28, 2013 at 8:30 PM

Ummm… so Numbers USA gives you a propaganda spiel. Paul Ryan was so awfully horrified by the situation that he made sure to leak the fact that he is totally integral to the House proposal and brought everyone together. Latinos should support him for President. This is going to happen. It helps Rubio/ Ryan in a 2016. Let’s get past this xenophobic crap.

Illinidiva

When are you going to get past being a moron?

xblade on January 28, 2013 at 8:31 PM

The way forward for the GOP is

1) Pander to Latinos
2) Lose the Latino vote 65-30 again
3) ????
4) Win election

HitNRun on January 28, 2013 at 8:13 PM

You left one out:

5) Squawk about Todd Akin and Christine O’Donnell and the rest of those Tea Party Hobbitts

sartana on January 28, 2013 at 8:36 PM

I already changed my registration to independent from Republican, and now I don’t think I’m going to even bother to vote for them anymore.

What’s sad is the fastest path to conservatism is for conservatives to just vote Democrat and let them speed to the inevitable disaster. The faster “Let It Burn” happens the sooner the welfare state comes down.

Obama has already brought the collapse forward by at least 25 years, if we just chuck Weepy Boner and the rest of the sellouts from the House, we might just bring it to a head before the end of this decade.

You see, a Looter majority enslaving the producers is but a (VERY) temporary thing. When producing stops (as it inevitably will, as it’s already beginning to happen and accelerate the better the deal of not working and going on the dole becomes vs getting up and going to work daily) the whole thing dies.

wildcat72 on January 28, 2013 at 8:40 PM

That awful Hugh Hewitt is on the radio right now all excited about the ‘immigration reform’, He thinks we also need to give vouchers to the kids here illegally so they can go to good schools.

These idiot liberal republicans really think that if we join the ‘goodie gravy train’, the republican party will be back in the majority.

LilyBart on January 28, 2013 at 8:30 PM

Well I’m listening to Karl Rove on O’Reilly and he can’t shower enough praise on this plan and the remarkable Marco Rubio.

JPeterman on January 28, 2013 at 8:42 PM

Ummm… so Numbers USA gives you a propaganda spiel. Paul Ryan was so awfully horrified by the situation that he made sure to leak the fact that he is totally integral to the House proposal and brought everyone together. Latinos should support him for President. This is going to happen. It helps Rubio/ Ryan in a 2016. Let’s get past this xenophobic crap.

Illinidiva

You’re so infatuated with LoverBoy you have become incapable of rational thought.

If either Ryan or Rubio is on the ticket, there will be no more GOP. Millions of conservatives like me will vote third party. If 2010 has taught us anything, it’s that even when the GOP wins we lose.

bw222 on January 28, 2013 at 8:42 PM

Well I’m listening to Karl Rove on O’Reilly and he can’t shower enough praise on this plan and the remarkable Marco Rubio.

JPeterman on January 28, 2013 at 8:42 PM

Thanks for watching Fox News for me. I don’t have the stomach for it.

bw222 on January 28, 2013 at 8:44 PM

This is going to happen. It helps Rubio/ Ryan in a 2016. Let’s get past this xenophobic crap. Rollover and take it.

Illinidiva

Do we get lubed or just hosed?

arnold ziffel on January 28, 2013 at 8:44 PM

Karl Rove is talking right now, have an immigration high.

Thanks GOP!

Oil Can on January 28, 2013 at 8:45 PM

That awful Hugh Hewitt is on the radio right now all excited about the ‘immigration reform’, He thinks we also need to give vouchers to the kids here illegally so they can go to good schools.

LilyBart on January 28, 2013 at 8:30 PM

Hugh Hewitt doesn’t have to see the negative effects of illegals. He lives in Newport Beach, CA, demographically 87.3% white, 7.2% Hispanic. He lives in his little gated community, immune from the rest of us plebians who see it on a daily basis.

TxAnn56 on January 28, 2013 at 8:46 PM

Hugh Hewitt doesn’t have to see the negative effects of illegals. He lives in Newport Beach, CA, demographically 87.3% white, 7.2% Hispanic. He lives in his little gated community, immune from the rest of us plebians who see it on a daily basis.

TxAnn56 on January 28, 2013 at 8:46 PM

He needs to get his little fairy ass up the road to the central valley and see how special things are.

arnold ziffel on January 28, 2013 at 8:47 PM

Karl Rove is talking right now, have an immigration high.

Thanks GOP!

Oil Can on January 28, 2013 at 8:45 PM

Things will be fine. They know what they are doing.

arnold ziffel on January 28, 2013 at 8:49 PM

That awful Hugh Hewitt is on the radio right now all excited about the ‘immigration reform’, He thinks we also need to give vouchers to the kids here illegally so they can go to good schools.

These idiot liberal republicans really think that if we join the ‘goodie gravy train’, the republican party will be back in the majority.

LilyBart on January 28, 2013 at 8:30 PM

Hugh Hewitt is an even bigger RINO than our beloved Ed (if that’s possible). Illegal immigrants (and their children) are the very one who have destroyed many public schools. Look at California, which through the 1970s had the best K-12 school system in the country. Now Califonia students rank down with Mississippi and Arkansas students on standardized tests.

The GOP would be better off if Hugh and Ed became Democrats.

bw222 on January 28, 2013 at 8:49 PM

He needs to get his little fairy ass up the road to the central valley and see how special things are.

arnold ziffel on January 28, 2013 at 8:47 PM

He’s also welcome to visit my old neighborhood in Houston, once a nice middle class suburb with good schools. Now a version of a Juarez flea market with drop out rates through the roof.

TxAnn56 on January 28, 2013 at 8:51 PM

Paul Ryan was so awfully horrified by the situation that he made sure to leak the fact that he is totally integral to the House proposal and brought everyone together.

No surprise. Ryan always was a turd. His budget was a total joke and his VP run was pathetic – not to mention his many infuriating and ridiculous votes for some of the sh!ttiest bills to go through the House. Ryan is history.

Latinos should support him for President.

Tribalism. Yay!

This is going to happen. It helps Rubio/ Ryan in a 2016. Let’s get past this xenophobic crap.

Illinidiva on January 28, 2013 at 8:03 PM

LOL. More like Rubio/Chavez. Or maybe even Rubio/Castro. Go ahead and vote for them. I won’t. You’ll have to find an illegal to vote GOP in my place because I’m done with that sh!t party. They are replaying 2006-2008 and the result will be exactly the same – a dead political party that is a pariah to all. And there won’t be a Tea Party to dig them out of the grave they’ve dug for themselves. Either a third party will emerge and the GOP will just go away or there will be a national divorce and you folks and the lunatic left can enjoy what’s left of the American Socialist Superstate – but don’t you dare try to sneak over the border into the new Constitutional Union of American States. You won’t be welcomed and our borders, and the sovereign laws of the interior will be enforced.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on January 28, 2013 at 8:53 PM

Hugh Hewitt doesn’t have to see the negative effects of illegals. He lives in Newport Beach, CA, demographically 87.3% white, 7.2% Hispanic.

TxAnn56 on January 28, 2013 at 8:46 PM

And in Newport Beach, those 7.2% Hispanic are actually “White Hispanic”.

Hewitt doesn’t give a damn about what’s coming. As long as he’s left with his law license when the dust settles, he’ll be happy.

sartana on January 28, 2013 at 8:55 PM

Can’t watch or listen, you guys will keep me posted on their insanity!

Thank you for your sacrifice :-)

Scrumpy on January 28, 2013 at 8:55 PM

He’s also welcome to visit my old neighborhood in Houston, once a nice middle class suburb with good schools. Now a version of a Juarez flea market with drop out rates through the roof.

TxAnn56 on January 28, 2013 at 8:51 PM

Funny but not. Wife asked if I ever wanted to go to Mexico and I told her “honey we’re already there.”

arnold ziffel on January 28, 2013 at 8:56 PM

…but don’t you dare try to sneak over the border into the new Constitutional Union of American States. You won’t be welcomed and our borders, and the sovereign laws of the interior will be enforced.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on January 28, 2013 at 8:53 PM

I dream of that day. What seemed a fantasy even 10 years ago now looks like the only solution.

TxAnn56 on January 28, 2013 at 8:57 PM

I wonder why Hot Air has not posted Sen Sessions response to this phoney immigration “reform”. Is Hot Air like Obama only interested in hearing one side?

Hera on January 28, 2013 at 8:02 PM

Let me explain it to you. Hot Air is owned by Salem, which is anything but conservative, but HA is a moneymaker because it gets lots of hits.

AP is a Rockefeller Republican. Jazz is the world’s only Huntsman Republican. Ed is an establishment Republican, who wakes up excited every morning wondering what talking points have been emailed from the RNC. The girls run hot and cold, but they are far more conservative than the guys.

bw222 on January 28, 2013 at 8:59 PM

https://twitter.com/SenTedCruz/status/296039042972266496

I appreciate the good work that senators in both parties have put into trying to fix our broken immigration system. There are some good elements in this proposal, especially increasing the resources and manpower to secure our border and also improving and streamlining legal immigration. However, I have deep concerns with the proposed path to citizenship. To allow those who came here illegally to be placed on such a path is both inconsistent with rule of law and profoundly unfair to the millions of legal immigrants who waited years, if not decades, to come to America legally.

can_con on January 28, 2013 at 9:00 PM

Thanks for watching Fox News for me. I don’t have the stomach for it.

bw222 on January 28, 2013 at 8:44 PM

Update for you!

Rubio is on Hannity blah, blah, blah. He’s talking so fast I can’t keep up with him. Looks like Hannity has caved to this bullsh!t too.

JPeterman on January 28, 2013 at 9:07 PM

Chalk one up to Ted Cruz!!

Scrumpy on January 28, 2013 at 9:08 PM

@bw222 lol

tommy71 on January 28, 2013 at 9:09 PM

I think we’ve entered a psychotic period of American politics, unlike anything in our history. We’ve had periods of great and destructive passions, but what we’re dealing with now is unique and sick, I think. The Republicans seem to rush lemming-like toward policies destructive to themselves and the country with a frenzy in weird proportion to their increasing failures, as if madly seeking atonement, but from the wrong source. It’s a masochism, a frantic immoderate compulsion to prove their moderation on one hand and appease their enemy on the other. The Left, meanwhile, is being driven by this antic idiocy, like a predator sensing the spastic motions of its prey. Their own criminality and lust for power compounds daily; this makes sense, as they operate with no systemic checks and balances, from either the totally abject and deluded Republicans or their corrupted consort in the media. Where does all this end? We have no point of comparison for something this sick and strange.

rrpjr on January 28, 2013 at 9:10 PM

To allow those who came here illegally to be placed on such a path is both inconsistent with rule of law and profoundly unfair to the millions of legal immigrants who waited years, if not decades, to come to America legally.

can_con on January 28, 2013 at 9:00 PM

It took me 7 years and cost over $20,000 in fee’s, classes, lawyer costs etc.

JPeterman on January 28, 2013 at 9:10 PM

Rubio is on Hannity blah, blah, blah. He’s talking so fast I can’t keep up with him. Looks like Hannity has caved to this bullsh!t too.

JPeterman on January 28, 2013 at 9:07 PM

No, Hannity “evolved” two days after the election after Rupert Murdoch told him that he had to evolve. He also lost 50% of his viewership.

JP – I have an Indian friend who will be a citizen next year and he’s shooting blood through his eyes over this.

TxAnn56 on January 28, 2013 at 9:15 PM

Boehner is reportedly “pretty optimistic” that a deal can be made

Oh, goody. Perhaps it will include a clause that will reference how far the GOP is to bend over.

Any favorite Hendrix tune?

Bmore on January 28, 2013 at 8:08 PM

I know you asked Bishop but I was always partial to ‘Stone Free’. I want to dream while I still can.

ghostwalker1 on January 28, 2013 at 9:17 PM

It took me 7 years and cost over $20,000 in fee’s, classes, lawyer costs etc.

JPeterman on January 28, 2013 at 9:10 PM

Well they do say freedom isn’t free. Congratulations on your successful immigration!

Would you do it again?

can_con on January 28, 2013 at 9:17 PM

The Republican party is trying to destroy the Republican party. Surreal. Pure suicide.

KMav on January 28, 2013 at 9:18 PM

The Republican party is trying to destroy the Republican party. Surreal. Pure suicide.

KMav on January 28, 2013 at 9:18 PM

Yes, true.

rrpjr on January 28, 2013 at 9:20 PM

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