Democrats beg Obama: Please don’t offer your own immigration bill

posted at 3:51 pm on January 28, 2013 by Allahpundit

David Frum gave him the same advice vis-a-vis gun control last month. Anything O touches will be instantly polarized and generate entrenched GOP opposition, so if he’s serious about getting something done, why wade in? Simple answer: Because he knew no major gun-control legislation was going to pass regardless of whether he intervened or not. In which case, why not earn some goodwill with his base by using the bully pulpit to push one of their pet causes? Even if gun control goes down in flames in Congress, he’s given the issue some legs which Democrats might be able to use against the GOP in 2014.

Immigration’s different. Republicans are panicked over demographics and ready to cave on some sort of comprehensive reform. If O jumps in this time, he really might cost Democrats a valuable deal. Memo from top Latino party members to The One, then: Shut up.

Some senior Democratic members of the Congressional Hispanic Caucus used a private White House meeting Friday to urge President Obama not to unveil his own immigration legislation, for fear of blowing up delicate bipartisan talks, Democratic sources tell CNN…

In terms of substance, sources familiar with the both proposals, say the bipartisan Senate framework includes a border security trigger that the President’s plan does not include; specifically, the path to citizenship for the estimated 11 million undocumented immigrants would not open up until a council of border officials verifies that the border is secure…

“It would be a sabotage of the process [if Obama released his own bill],” said one immigration reform advocate familiar with internal discussions but not able to speak freely on the record.

To my amazement, some commentators on the center-right think Obama might want to sabotage the bipartisan bill so that he can keep using immigration as a wedge issue against the GOP and/or deny Rubio credit for a “major legislative achievement” ahead of 2016. Could O really be that much of a sucker? He has a chance to set millions of illegals on the path to citizenship, which, judging by current electoral trends, will mean millions of more Democratic votes on balance at some point in the not-distant future, and he’s going to pass on that so that he can keep on demagoging the GOP for a few more years? Wouldn’t that actually be a dream scenario for Republicans? They’ve got McCain, a former party nominee, and Rubio, a likely future nominee and the party’s biggest Latino star, out there in front of the cameras today talking up the virtues of reform. If Obama wades into this and the whole thing falls apart, the party can point to those two as proof that their heaviest hitters were prepared to pass something until O screwed everything up. Result: Credit to Rubio for having tried, blame for The One for meddling when he didn’t have to, and no new weak-tea “comprehensive” bill.

Beyond that, why would Obama try to kill the bill in hopes of preserving a wedge issue when he can pass the bill and preserve the wedge issue anyway? That was the point of my post this morning. If the GOP’s goal here is to defang Democratic attacks among Latinos, then it’s not a matter of caving once. They’ll have to cave repeatedly to Democratic demands at various points in the process. And here’s the very first one, courtesy of Greg Sargent. Remember, according to the bipartisan plan, there’ll be a commission composed of southwest border-state governors and AGs plus “community leaders” who’ll let Congress know when they think upgrades to border security are sufficient. This is supposed to be the key concession to immigration hawks — Congress won’t get to work on citizenship for people who are already here until we’ve done enough to make sure that there won’t be millions more crossing the border in the future. Except that, per Sargent, Democrats now claim that the commission’s findings will be … nonbinding.

I’ve now got clarification from Senate staff working on the bill, and it turns out that the enforcement commission’s judgments will only be advisory, and are entirely nonbinding. Congress’ actions will not be dictated by what this commission concludes; neither will actions taken by the Department of Homeland Security. The citizenship process will be triggered by other means (more on this soon).

This is central to the debate. If this commission had the power to dictate when the citizenship process begins, it could endanger the entire enterprise by giving people like Jan Brewer veto power. Second, this enforcement commission is being seen as a major concession Republicans won in exchange for agreeing to grant citizenship to the 11 million.

But the commission isn’t, for all practical purposes, really a major concession at all. If you look at the framework released by the bipartisan group of eight Senators today, it never quite says directly that the citizenship process can’t move forward until the commission reaches its findings. Rather, it says the plan creates a commission that will make a “recommendation” on when border security has been achieved, and doesn’t specify that this recommendation is what triggers the citizenship process.

In other words, the commission is a trigger that doesn’t trigger anything. Congress can get to work on citizenship regardless of what the commission says. A “source close to Rubio” e-mailed Sargent after he posted that to emphasize that Rubio thinks “all of the enforcement mechanisms must be in place and operational before a pathway to citizenship is made accessible to undocumented immigrants” and that the commission’s findings will be a “central component” in judging that, but we’ll see. The fact that Democrats are already working to neuter an already neutered border-enforcement gimmick like a blue-ribbon commission before the “comprehensive” bill has even been drafted tells you everything you need to know about their true ambitions here. In fact, I wonder if that’s the real reason why Obama is drafting his own, even more left-wing immigration bill. If negotiations in the Senate start to stall over this one, O could try to float a more radical proposal to make the Senate bill seem “moderate” by comparison, which might shake loose a few extra Republican votes for it. He wouldn’t be sabotaging the Senate bill by introducing his own, in other words, he’d be giving some GOPers cover to support it on grounds that it’s “too conservative” for Obama.

But I doubt he’ll float his own bill. He sounds pretty excited about the Senate plan, if Jay Carney is any indication.

Update: Just thinking: What incentive does Rubio have to vote yes on the final bill, assuming it resembles the outline we’ve heard today? Most of the political capital he’s going to earn from this process will come not from his vote but from his having appeared repeatedly on TV and in print recently to make the case for immigration reform. He stood out there today with McCain and Schumer to support bipartisan compromise. The goal here, in terms of his 2016 ambitions, is to brand himself as a leader who believes in the immigrant dream and wants to find a way to legalize illegals who are already here. He’s already basically done that. Now he has to worry about the GOP primaries, and the way to do that is to find a way to break with the McCain/Schumer group somehow. The disagreement over whether the commission’s findings should be nonbinding is one possibility. Then he can vote no on the bill and point to that as proof in the primaries that he was serious about enforcement while pointing in the general election to the fact that he was a visible leader in the reform effort. Anyone want to bet against that?


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Begging suits them.

Bmore on January 28, 2013 at 3:55 PM

This us dear leader of course he’s going go his own way

cmsinaz on January 28, 2013 at 3:56 PM

Or is it? Begging suits him? No matter, the R’s will screw this up royal.

Bmore on January 28, 2013 at 3:57 PM

Anyone for a game of, Lets get out in front of this train wreck? Regrets?

Bmore on January 28, 2013 at 3:59 PM

Bmore. They’re already screwed

cmsinaz on January 28, 2013 at 4:00 PM

Rubio is the conductor by the way. All a board?

Bmore on January 28, 2013 at 4:00 PM

Huh ?

White House press secretary Jay Carney on Monday welcomed an immigration deal reached by a bipartisan group of senators and gave credit to President Obama for pressing the issue.

So, how can Obama take credit for a proposal that is not his own, when it’s obvious he had his own proposal ?

Next, I suppose the White House will also take credit for helping Senator Bob Menendez procure sex with underaged Dominican prostitutes.

J_Crater on January 28, 2013 at 4:01 PM

cmsinaz on January 28, 2013 at 4:00 PM

Yes. ; ) But then aren’t we all?

Bmore on January 28, 2013 at 4:01 PM

To my amazement, some commentators on the center-right think Obama might want to sabotage the bipartisan bill so that he can keep using immigration as a wedge issue against the GOP and/or deny Rubio credit for a “major legislative achievement” ahead of 2016.

What? He’s done it before. Why wouldn’t he do it now, since his whole being seems to be to keep Republicans from getting any credit, even partial, for anything?

He, and the Democrats, would be happier with the problem (as they always have) than the solution.

JeffWeimer on January 28, 2013 at 4:01 PM

David Frum gave him the same advice vis-a-vis gun control last month.

Right…because opposition to gun control and amnesty totally depend on who proposes it. It doesn’t have anything at all to do with, you know, being opposed to it.

James on January 28, 2013 at 4:01 PM

Obama can’t seriously be this stupid. The GOP is committing political suicide. And not just for 2014, but potentially for eternity. He’d be wise to step aside and allow them to go through with it.

Doughboy on January 28, 2013 at 4:02 PM

At the risk of being pummeled here, I think it wasn’t such a bad idea to get in front of this and try to offer something. Yes I know it will probably blow up in their faces but the choices they have are limited right now… Okay, I’m ducking…

sandee on January 28, 2013 at 4:02 PM

Obama doesn’t want America punished with an anchor baby?

/

profitsbeard on January 28, 2013 at 4:04 PM

“Credit to Rubio for having tried, blame for The One for meddling when he didn’t have to, and no new weak-tea “comprehensive” bill.”

That’s not how it will play in the press. “Obama Wisdom Rejected by Old Man, Race Traitor” is the headlines you’ll see

NoVAHockey on January 28, 2013 at 4:04 PM

He hates being told no or don’t. This is what I think truly motivates him. He gets a kick out of pushing people and things to far. He gets his kicks out of seeing how much he can get away with. It has been the story of his entire life.

Flange on January 28, 2013 at 4:04 PM

Second look at Charlie Crist?

Jon0815 on January 28, 2013 at 4:05 PM

If 0 is truly as smart as he thinks he is. Just sit back watch and enjoy. I mean really, who doesn’t enjoy a good train wreck?

Bmore on January 28, 2013 at 4:05 PM

I don’t believe the GOP has taken enough rope yet.

Mr. Arrogant on January 28, 2013 at 4:05 PM

From The Hill last week.

House Speaker John Boehner in a talk before the Rip-on-US society last week Speaker Boehner said that leaders from the Republican and Democrats had been having “Secret Meetings” for 3 or 4 years on this immigration reform and they have reached an agreement in these meetings”.

So,
1. Are they saying that secert meetings are Constitutional as long as elected Republicans and Democrasts do so?

2. Are they saying that hearings and input from U.S. Citizens and Voters are no longer part of the “process” of making laws?

3. Is being a RINO the only way you can be a leader in the Republican Party?

In my now so humble opinion they all better hide and watch as in my humble opinion the American people still have the fight in them.

Call them, fax them, demand town hall meetings, go to D.C. ourselves if we can find a way.

find places that have facts and ideas on the net

http://www.alipac.us/

http://www.numbersusa.org

Fight.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on January 28, 2013 at 4:06 PM

He’s drunk on his own power, not unlike other Dictators of the past…

sandee on January 28, 2013 at 4:06 PM

I have to admit that I noted in earlier threads that I didn’t think this would happen. Both sides have too many contributors looking for cheap labor. We are being lead by phonies and theatrics. What a world!

Cindy Munford on January 28, 2013 at 4:07 PM

At the risk of being pummeled here, I think it wasn’t such a bad idea to get in front of this and try to offer something. Yes I know it will probably blow up in their faces but the choices they have are limited right now… Okay, I’m ducking…

sandee on January 28, 2013 at 4:02 PM

If the GOP Senators knew all along it would fail and just wanted to look like they were in support of immigration reform, so be it. But these folks are way too tone deaf and out-of-touch to be given that much credit.

Doughboy on January 28, 2013 at 4:07 PM

Tuning into Ed’s show……now.

Bmore on January 28, 2013 at 4:07 PM

It is unnecessary for obama to push his own destructive amnesty bill, because he has Rubio and McCain to do it for him – they are all on the same “progressive” page.

Pork-Chop on January 28, 2013 at 4:07 PM

I was all for Rand but this illegal immigration reform has chilled me to him.

A reasonable 3rd party with a humble , sane figure head will do it for me. And, at this point, he/she doesn’t even need to be charismatic for me to get on board. I’ll phone bank, no problem. Where is the 3rd party?

BoxHead1 on January 28, 2013 at 4:08 PM

Immigration’s different. Republicans are panicked over demographics and ready to cave on some sort of comprehensive reform.

Why does the GOP honestly think they can do anything?

The GOP will die because of business traitorism and free market ideological stupidity and blindness.

The GOP has constantly chosen money over blood and spirit and in the end they will lose everything.

ninjapirate on January 28, 2013 at 4:09 PM

Democrats plead with Obama to heed Napoleon’s advice:

“Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake.”

cool breeze on January 28, 2013 at 4:09 PM

I don’t trust the Democrats on border enforcement. Their goal is to keep importing illegals into Texas and Arizona until they can turn them blue – using illegal votes.

There is also no evidence that supporting immigration reform, or even granting amnesty, has ever helped the GOP win Hispanic votes.

TarheelBen on January 28, 2013 at 4:09 PM

It sounds like this border enforcement commission will carry as much weight as the abortion EO Barry signed to make Stupack feel better about his 30 pieces of silver.

Kataklysmic on January 28, 2013 at 4:10 PM

Why wouldn’t he do it now, since his whole being seems to be to keep Republicans from getting any credit, even partial, for anything?

Because Republicans won’t get much credit. Obama will get at least as much for having made immigration reform happen, and more importantly Democrats will net many millions of votes from legalizing illegals. You’re treating O here as though he demagogues Republicans just to spite them, to be a jerk. You deeply underestimate him if you think that. He’s trying to build a permanent Democratic majority and making a deal with the GOP here helps him do that.

Allahpundit on January 28, 2013 at 4:11 PM

There is also no evidence that supporting immigration reform, or even granting amnesty, has ever helped the GOP win Hispanic votes.

Reagan gave us an Amnesty and there is no way anyone like Reagan could ever win in California.

ninjapirate on January 28, 2013 at 4:11 PM

To my amazement, some commentators on the center-right think Obama might want to sabotage the bipartisan bill so that he can keep using immigration as a wedge issue against the GOP and/or deny Rubio credit for a “major legislative achievement” ahead of 2016. Could O really be that much of a sucker?

You do realise that you are talking about Obama, don’t you?

Thug Politics: If The GOP Wants To See What Obama Has Planned For Them, They Should Visit Chicago

Resist We Much on January 28, 2013 at 4:11 PM

“He has a chance to set millions of illegals on the path to citizenship…”

Good…!

… I didn’t want to pay back the $20 Trillion dollar debt all by myself.

Seven Percent Solution on January 28, 2013 at 4:13 PM

God, I wish Samuel Huntington was still alive.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Who_Are_We%3F_The_Challenges_to_America%27s_National_Identity

ninjapirate on January 28, 2013 at 4:13 PM

I like the idea of path to citizenship vs. amnesty because it is more fair to immigrants who have gone through or are going through the proper channels. However, it only works if the borders are secured and the laws are enforced. No one believes that Obama will do that. Nevertheless, the 11 million are already in the country, so it might as well go forward. Maybe a new Administration in 2016 will take this problem seriously by then when unemployment and healthcare costs are sky high.

If Obama thinks he inherited a mess, just think of the mess the next President will inherit.

lea on January 28, 2013 at 4:14 PM

I am afraid that the Republicans will continue their failed strategy of Passive Resistance and allow O and his minions to have their way with this.

kingsjester on January 28, 2013 at 4:15 PM

The goal here, in terms of his 2016 ambitions, is to brand himself as a leader who believes in the immigrant dream and wants to find a way to legalize illegals who are already here. He’s already basically done that. Now he has to worry about the GOP primaries, and the way to do that is to find a way to break with the McCain/Schumer group somehow. The disagreement over whether the commission’s findings should be nonbinding is possibility. Then he can vote no on the bill and point to that as proof in the primaries that he was serious about enforcement while pointing in the general election to the fact that he was a visible leader in the reform effort. Anyone want to bet against that?

Maybe, but does he really have to worry about a Yes vote coming back to haunt him in the primary? McCain’s pro-amnesty stance sure didn’t hurt him in 2008 in securing the nomination. Mittens being the godfather of Obamacare similarly had no impact on him in 2012.

Now granted a big reason each guy won his respective primary was due to the competition being almost non-existent, and that’s not likely to be the case in 2016. But I still don’t know if Rubio has all that much to fear in voting Yes considering how powerless the conservative base seems to be in the Republican primaries.

Doughboy on January 28, 2013 at 4:15 PM

You’re treating O here as though he demagogues Republicans just to spite them, to be a jerk. You deeply underestimate him if you think that. He’s trying to build a permanent Democratic majority and making a deal with the GOP here helps him do that.

Allahpundit on January 28, 2013 at 4:11 PM

True, Allah, but you also forget that Obama often acts stupidly. He strikes out at people that could help him all of the time. Look at how polarising he is and the tone he struck in his second inaugural speech.

His hubris often destroys situations where bipartisanship could occur.

“John, I won.”

Resist We Much on January 28, 2013 at 4:16 PM

Who are demorats to presume they know more than the Greatest Dog Eating Preznit Ever? This guy is an expert at everything so he should of course take the lead.

Bishop on January 28, 2013 at 4:17 PM

He’s trying to build a permanent Democratic majority and making a deal with the GOP here helps him do that.

Allahpundit on January 28, 2013 at 4:11 PM

Why don’t old fart pols like McCain see this? What do they get out of it?

Oil Can on January 28, 2013 at 4:18 PM

No way he’ll get in the way of the GOP shooting itself in the head. Obama wants to destroy the Republicans? Looks like they got there first.

SAMinVA on January 28, 2013 at 4:18 PM

“don’t skeet all over this bill Mr. President”

Slade73 on January 28, 2013 at 4:19 PM

Why don’t old fart pols like McCain see this? What do they get out of it?

Oil Can on January 28, 2013 at 4:18 PM

Two reasons. One, McCain isn’t a conservative. And two, he’s in his late 70′s now and is probably preoccupied with his legacy.

Well there is a third possibility. He’s senile.

Doughboy on January 28, 2013 at 4:20 PM

Why don’t old fart pols like McCain see this? What do they get out of it?

Oil Can on January 28, 2013 at 4:18 PM

McCain gets to be his little girl’s hero.

Kataklysmic on January 28, 2013 at 4:22 PM

A lot of if on all of this. Capitulation is the only exit door when the border won’t be sealed.

Bmore on January 28, 2013 at 4:22 PM

If Rubio does that, he’s going to keep falling into line as the GOP’s version of Obama. Well-spoken minority who claims to “lead,” then votes present on bills that are inconvenient to his national ambitions.

pplasse on January 28, 2013 at 4:24 PM

My bet at this point is our side will once again be snookered. 0 gets only the good credit. R’s only the bad. Lose, lose.

Bmore on January 28, 2013 at 4:24 PM

Why don’t old fart pols like McCain see this? What do they get out of it?

Oil Can on January 28, 2013 at 4:18 PM

Two reasons. One, McCain isn’t a conservative. And two, he’s in his late 70′s now and is probably preoccupied with his legacy.

Well there is a third possibility. He’s senile.

Doughboy on January 28, 2013 at 4:20 PM

4) his rich wife gets cheaper beer truck drivers.

profitsbeard on January 28, 2013 at 4:25 PM

Do the RINOs leading this like McCain think that Latinos will be more inclined to vote Repub after this amnesty debacle?
Not at all, these low income immigrants are going to want a bigger piece of that redistribution of income. They will vote Democrat / Socialist. There is no way this amnesty would benefit us. Stand firm in opposition in the house. Otherwise we are done. Get real before it’s too late!

anotherJoe on January 28, 2013 at 4:25 PM

It makes no difference who introduces a bill and when. With unemployment so high no bill is going anywhere.

Rocks on January 28, 2013 at 4:26 PM

Want to make your money donations count. Send it to the Brewer/Perry/martinez fund. One way bus tickets to Kalifornia for all illegals. Or to Washington. Your choice.

can_con on January 28, 2013 at 4:26 PM

Allahpundit on January 28, 2013 at 4:11 PM

Thanks for the reply AllahP, I appreciate it.

Fact is, he DOES demagogue Republicans just to spite them. You’ve reported on those very things over the years. Why wouldn’t he try to do the same thing here? Because he wins either way? That’s a reason to poke ‘em in the eye all by itself.

JeffWeimer on January 28, 2013 at 4:28 PM

Immigration Reform“: national suicide.

profitsbeard on January 28, 2013 at 4:28 PM

I was all for Rand but this illegal immigration reform has chilled me to him.

A reasonable 3rd party with a humble , sane figure head will do it for me. And, at this point, he/she doesn’t even need to be charismatic for me to get on board. I’ll phone bank, no problem. Where is the 3rd party?

BoxHead1 on January 28, 2013 at 4:08 PM

Don’t worry. If this “immigration reform” hits the fan, the GOP will become the third party…

Archivarix on January 28, 2013 at 4:28 PM

It makes no difference who introduces a bill and when. With unemployment so high no bill is going anywhere.

Rocks on January 28, 2013 at 4:26 PM

Man, I hope you are right but even Rush is having Rubio on to push amnesty. Unlike a new “assault” weapons ban, which was never going to happen, this thing looks like it’s a done deal.

BoxHead1 on January 28, 2013 at 4:29 PM

Two reasons. One, McCain isn’t a conservative. And two, he’s in his late 70′s now and is probably preoccupied with his legacy.

Well there is a third possibility. He’s senile.

Doughboy on January 28, 2013 at 4:20 PM

His McMuffin darling could be dating a Mexican?

Archivarix on January 28, 2013 at 4:29 PM

Man, I hope you are right but even Rush is having Rubio on to push amnesty. Unlike a new “assault” weapons ban, which was never going to happen, this thing looks like it’s a done deal.

BoxHead1 on January 28, 2013 at 4:29 PM

I don’t know. Maybe the GOP Senators do expect this bill to fail in the House. McCain reportedly just invoked Ted Kennedy’s name in an effort to garner support. Yeah, that’ll really win over conservatives in the House.

Doughboy on January 28, 2013 at 4:32 PM

It makes no difference who introduces a bill and when. With unemployment so high no bill is going anywhere.

Rocks on January 28, 2013 at 4:26 PM

It all depends on whether Boehner violates the Hastert Rule to pass it. If he doesn’t, it won’t pass.

Jon0815 on January 28, 2013 at 4:33 PM

Democrats beg Obama:

…BEG B!TCHES…BEG…!!!

KOOLAID2 on January 28, 2013 at 4:35 PM

If Obama wades into this and the whole thing falls apart, the party can point to those two as proof that their heaviest hitters were prepared to pass something until O screwed everything up. Result: Credit to Rubio for having tried, blame for The One for meddling when he didn’t have to

Yeah, that’s just how the New York Times and ABC will report it. /s

2ndMAW68 on January 28, 2013 at 4:37 PM

No, Allahpundit, I don’t want to bet against that. I think you’ve summed it up pretty well.

The political class, left and right, doesn’t care about representing the citizens and legal immigrants of this nation. They don’t care about eroding the rule of law. They don’t care that they are causing those who are low skilled to fall further down the ladder of employment by virtually guaranteeing a never ending stream of cheap illegal foreign laborers. The don’t care that there are already 100 million Americans on the 83 separate means tested welfare programs and that a full 42% of all immigrants, legal or illegal, who’ve been in this nation for 20 years or more are enrolled on one or more of those welfare programs. They don’t care that this amnesty will add millions to Obamacare, a bill already designed to make even further steep cuts in health care for the elderly and disabled while handing out ‘free’ birth control and ‘reproductive care’ and obesity treatment and preventative care to young, healthier working aged adults, driving the cost of medical care and services up even further through government subsidy. They don’t care that there are already 22.5 million unemployed and underemployed Americans.

They do care about their own career and remaining part of the political class professionally and socially. Thus, a drive to add millions to the voter rolls. Considering that 94 million eligible voters refused to vote in the last election, it’s apparent that the political class, left and right, have already lost millions of American voters. Congressional approval couldn’t be much worse than it is and has been. Perhaps the political class should begin to ponder how they can engage and reconnect with the people they are duly sworn to faithfully represent in proxy… rather than seek to replace them.

thatsafactjack on January 28, 2013 at 4:39 PM

Allahpundit on January 28, 2013 at 4:11 PM

Thanks for the reply AllahP, I appreciate it.

Fact is, he DOES demagogue Republicans just to spite them. You’ve reported on those very things over the years. Why wouldn’t he try to do the same thing here? Because he wins either way? That’s a reason to poke ‘em in the eye all by itself.

JeffWeimer on January 28, 2013 at 4:28 PM

Case in point: He blew up the budget/debt limit negotiations in 2011 because he might have been seen as letting the GOP get credit, according to Bob Woodward.

JeffWeimer on January 28, 2013 at 4:40 PM

Both sides have too many contributors looking for cheap labor. We are being lead by phonies and theatrics. What a world!

Cindy Munford on January 28, 2013 at 4:07 PM

I know that to be the case 10 years ago in Texas and after the last legislative session I believe its probably still true. I had the company of a state senator several years ago and he said between ag, oil, timber and housing construction (Bob Perry) that there was no desire on the GOP side to push for reform.

The Tea Party has them going silent now.

DanMan on January 28, 2013 at 4:41 PM

His McMuffin darling could be dating a Mexican?

Archivarix on January 28, 2013 at 4:29 PM

The Rich Man’s Snooki luvs her sum tamales.

Resist We Much on January 28, 2013 at 4:43 PM

Man, I hope you are right but even Rush is having Rubio on to push amnesty. Unlike a new “assault” weapons ban, which was never going to happen, this thing looks like it’s a done deal.

BoxHead1 on January 28, 2013 at 4:29 PM

Oh, even Rush can be manipulated. It means little. The bottom line of this bill’s passage is 11 million people immediately become legally eligible AND entitled to government programs. While many are already receiving these many are not because of their fear of deportation. Of those 11 million I would think 10 million live below the poverty line. Food Stamps, etc. will explode. Once the cost comes out the people in the House will run for the hills.

Rocks on January 28, 2013 at 4:44 PM

He’s trying to build a permanent Democratic majority

Allahpundit on January 28, 2013 at 4:11 PM

I agree with you 100%.

We need a “How Allahpundit would fix things if he were Czar” thread!

I haven’t seen anything workable from anyone else yet, *sigh*

cool breeze on January 28, 2013 at 4:45 PM

That picture of bho begs to say, ‘quiet only the fly knows’ what bho is going to do?
L

letget on January 28, 2013 at 4:47 PM

Interesting phenomenon going on right now, kind of Stockholm Syndrome on steroids. As we lose ground on one front, we rush to lose on another. As Obama and the Left presses the gun control war, rather than fighting back we trip over ourselves on immigration. Fascinating.

Could be a “defeat cascade.” Maybe America is ending a lot sooner than we thought.

rrpjr on January 28, 2013 at 4:50 PM

The Rich Man’s Snooki luvs her sum tamales.

Just to be clear, I was referring to food, not Mexicans.

Resist We Much on January 28, 2013 at 4:51 PM

I have to admit that I noted in earlier threads that I didn’t think this would happen. Both sides have too many contributors looking for cheap labor. We are being lead by phonies and theatrics. What a world!

Cindy Munford on January 28, 2013 at 4:07 PM

This is the most silly idea behind this whole thing. Once legal these people will no longer be cheap. They work at low wages because they have no recourse or choice. Once legal they do.

But employers who use them are not really concerned with wages. They are more concerned with the cost of benefits these people will now be legally entitled to and the fact that these people are subservient due to their fear of their legal status. These employers will have no interest in them once they are legal. They will hire the next batch of illegal immigrants.

Rocks on January 28, 2013 at 4:51 PM

” …why would Obama try to kill the bill in hopes of preserving a wedge issue when he can pass the bill and preserve the wedge issue anyway?

I don’t think Republicans understand how this process will play out, at all. Clueless.

novaculus on January 28, 2013 at 4:52 PM

Why don’t old fart pols like McCain see this?

Oil Can

Why do you assume they don’t? Make no mistake, they know exactly what it means. Not sure how anyone can doubt that at this point.

xblade on January 28, 2013 at 4:52 PM

Like Obama has ever cared what congress thinks. Why would he start now?

This guy is all about Obama. He is drunk on power and only cares about advancing himself and getting fawning Media propaganda.

Newsflash Obama: the media of today and the historians of tomorrow are two different beasts. Act accordingly.

can_con on January 28, 2013 at 4:56 PM

Rocks on January 28, 2013 at 4:51 PM

Seriously? Low wages or the cost of benefits, my point is the same. Both parties have contributors and constituents that benefit from illegals. It is just a matter of time to see who wins the argument, contributors or the chance of built in new voting block.

Cindy Munford on January 28, 2013 at 5:03 PM

DanMan on January 28, 2013 at 4:41 PM

It’s not just the GOP or Obama would have done it in his first four years. Or Buba would have done it. This is all smoke and mirrors for the public consumption.

Cindy Munford on January 28, 2013 at 5:05 PM

It’s all a game. Nobody cares about the country or the immigrants. It’s just a PR game. I hate politics.

petunia on January 28, 2013 at 5:06 PM

Seriously? Low wages or the cost of benefits, my point is the same. Both parties have contributors and constituents that benefit from illegals. It is just a matter of time to see who wins the argument, contributors or the chance of built in new voting block.

Cindy Munford on January 28, 2013 at 5:03 PM

Wages are not rising at 5-15% per year, benefits are. Mostly due to health care. But your point is a good one.

Rocks on January 28, 2013 at 5:06 PM

This is the most silly idea behind this whole thing. Once legal these people will no longer be cheap. They work at low wages because they have no recourse or choice. Once legal they do.

But employers who use them are not really concerned with wages. They are more concerned with the cost of benefits these people will now be legally entitled to and the fact that these people are subservient due to their fear of their legal status. These employers will have no interest in them once they are legal. They will hire the next batch of illegal immigrants.

Rocks on January 28, 2013 at 4:51 PM

Democrats want them legal so they can (a) join unions, and (b)start paying into Social Security and Medicare. Republicans want them legal because big business wants cheap labor. Even if they become legal they will still command lower wages than US-born workers due to their lack of education and skills.

The point of this all along has not necessarily been to create millions of new Democratic voters, it has been to put millions more wage-earning workers on the payroll tax rolls to stave off the demographic collapse that Democrats have known is coming for 35 years. This is one reason the Democrat leadership is so adamant about not reforming Social Security or Medicare. They think they can solve the math by just adding a few million immigrants to the rolls, who are younger and healthier, and voila! there is the money to pay for all of today’s and tomorrow’s old sick people.

rockmom on January 28, 2013 at 5:07 PM

So true Bmore

cmsinaz on January 28, 2013 at 5:09 PM

Rocks on January 28, 2013 at 5:06 PM

I think you would have to factor in the lack of jobs in general. If Obama sycophants, adjunct professors, aren’t getting Obamacare, is it crazy to think that illegals paid under the table are going to be covered?

Cindy Munford on January 28, 2013 at 5:11 PM

How about urging Congressmen to just do the right thing for a change, instead of worrying about how many votes it might buy for one “team” or the other? Or how it might set up a politician for his/her next office run? Honestly, it makes me sick to read conservative after conservative bemoaning immigration reform because too many “of them” will vote for Democrats.

jdp629 on January 28, 2013 at 5:11 PM

rockmom on January 28, 2013 at 5:07 PM

While that makes sense, it doesn’t explain why it hasn’t happened. If Obama could ram Obamacare down the throat of an unwilling nation without a word written by or vote for it by a Republican, why didn’t he fulfill his promise?

Cindy Munford on January 28, 2013 at 5:14 PM

jdp629 on January 28, 2013 at 5:11 PM

I have serious doubts about whether you could get more than five to agree on what is the right thing.

Cindy Munford on January 28, 2013 at 5:16 PM

rockmom on January 28, 2013 at 5:07 PM

Illegals are mot paid less due to education and skills. We have millions of citizens who are as stupid and unskilled as they are but will not do these jobs. Illegals are paid less because they have no choices. Given the choice, once they are legal, that our uneducated and unskilled citizens have of government benefits why would they be likely to continue doing these tough jobs? They won’t. They will go on the dole and a whole new crop off illegals will replace them.

Rocks on January 28, 2013 at 5:16 PM

I think you would have to factor in the lack of jobs in general. If Obama sycophants, adjunct professors, aren’t getting Obamacare, is it crazy to think that illegals paid under the table are going to be covered?

Cindy Munford on January 28, 2013 at 5:11 PM

Of course they don’t receive it now. They will once they are legal. They will not only receive it, it will be subsidized.

Rocks on January 28, 2013 at 5:21 PM

Given the choice, once they are legal, that our uneducated and unskilled citizens have of government benefits why would they be likely to continue doing these tough jobs? They won’t. They will go on the dole and a whole new crop off illegals will replace them.

Rocks on January 28, 2013 at 5:16 PM

Funny thing, over the years I hired many illegals for th rstaurant biz. After a while most bcame legal. Nobody went on the dole. Sold them quit a few houses too.
Just sold one down here to the granddaughter of my illegal Chinese busboy. And no dump either.

katy the mean old lady on January 28, 2013 at 5:26 PM

katy the mean old lady on January 28, 2013 at 5:26 PM

I think these people are being toyed with. Maybe I will be wrong this time.

Cindy Munford on January 28, 2013 at 5:29 PM

Funny thing, over the years I hired many illegals for th rstaurant biz. After a while most bcame legal. Nobody went on the dole. Sold them quit a few houses too.
Just sold one down here to the granddaughter of my illegal Chinese busboy. And no dump either.

katy the mean old lady on January 28, 2013 at 5:26 PM

And the many more who only worked temporarily and left? How many Chinese busboys do you think you could hire if they were legal Chinese immigrants? How would you know if they were receiving benefits anyway? They were working under the table right?

Rocks on January 28, 2013 at 5:36 PM

The fact that Democrats are already working to neuter an already neutered border-enforcement gimmick like a blue-ribbon commission before the “comprehensive” bill has even been drafted tells you everything you need to know about their true ambitions here.

That provision get’s neutered, so will a large segment of Congress if they vote for it.

GarandFan on January 28, 2013 at 5:41 PM

We all know that the final bill won’t secure the border first, so why just erase the border and let them all in, make it impossible for the GOP to ever win again, then the Democrats will be faced with all the blame when it burns. Yes, let it burn! Let the Atlas Shrugged prophecy be complete.

Decoski on January 28, 2013 at 5:46 PM

This all for show, it won’t get past the House without some real teeth. Rubio, is setting the stage for that to happen.

Tater Salad on January 28, 2013 at 5:47 PM

Who was it that said “When your enemy is making a huge mistake, don’t try to stop them”?

RoadRunner on January 28, 2013 at 5:48 PM

He has a chance to set millions of illegals on the path to citizenship, which, judging by current electoral trends, will mean millions of more Democratic votes on balance at some point in the not-distant future, and he’s going to pass on that so that he can keep on demagoging the GOP for a few more years?

Maybe more Dem votes somewhere down the road is not his main goal. Maybe his goal is something different, maybe with a shorter time frame than that.

petefrt on January 28, 2013 at 5:48 PM

And the many more who only worked temporarily and left? How many Chinese busboys do you think you could hire if they were legal Chinese immigrants? How would you know if they were receiving benefits anyway? They were working under the table right?

Rocks on January 28, 2013 at 5:36 PM

Atually, thy wer paid abov minimum wage and paid ON the books. Pre-computer world was a littl different.

katy the mean old lady on January 28, 2013 at 5:49 PM

The first assumption that may be wrong is that all of the new potential hispanic voters will be Democrats. Haven’t most of these people fled countries that have corrupt governments with no respect for the law?

Tater Salad on January 28, 2013 at 5:51 PM

Tater Salad on January 28, 2013 at 5:51 PM

I read an article on that. It said that most of the people come here for financial reasons, as far as government goes, they think all of them are corrupt and they have not experience with possibility of change through the people so it doesn’t even enter into the equation for them.

Cindy Munford on January 28, 2013 at 6:02 PM

Tater Salad on January 28, 2013 at 5:51 PM

If we reformed the immigration laws to filter in the makers and filter out the takers, maybe the prospective Dem voter advantage won’t materialize. That’s the way I’d play it.

petefrt on January 28, 2013 at 6:02 PM

Funny thing, over the years I hired many illegals for th rstaurant biz. After a while most bcame legal. Nobody went on the dole. Sold them quit a few houses too.
Just sold one down here to the granddaughter of my illegal Chinese busboy. And no dump either.

katy the mean old lady

I wouldn’t brag…by doing that, you are (were) part of the problem, not the solution.

Gothguy on January 28, 2013 at 6:12 PM

And can we STOP calling this ‘Immigration Reform’? They are NOT ‘immigrants’…they ARE ‘illegal aliens.’

Gothguy on January 28, 2013 at 6:14 PM

Cindy – That (the fact that they don’t often agree on what “the right thing” is) doesn’t excuse them from trying to do what they believe is “the right thing” rather than trying to do what they think will further their political careers or their political party. It’s even worse when political commenters urge conservatives not to do what “is right,” but rather to do what will “get our side more voters” or “further advance our guy toward higher political office.”

IOW: The last argument I want to hear from conservatives is that immigration reform is bad because it will make more Democratic voters (or won’t make more Republican voters). Who cares who “they” vote for?

jdp629 on January 28, 2013 at 6:19 PM

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