Quotes of the day

posted at 8:01 pm on January 27, 2013 by Allahpundit

The Senate proposal will probably include four main elements: border enforcement, employer enforcement, handling the future flow of legal immigration (including temporary agriculture workers and high-skilled engineers) and a pathway to citizenship for those who entered the nation illegally. Mr. Obama’s approach will largely echo his 2011 immigration “blueprint,” which he first outlined in a speech in El Paso, and calls for a pathway to citizenship for the more than 11 million illegal immigrants already in the country.

Though all members of the Senate group agree that some pathway to legal residency must be a part of the final proposal, they are still divided on what exactly that route should be. Republican lawmakers are urging that border security be tied to a pathway to citizenship and other requirements like having those who entered illegally go to the back of the line behind immigrants already waiting to enter the country legally, paying fines and back-taxes, and learning English.

“You’ve got border security, you’ve got employer verification and you’ve got a temporary worker program that addresses the magnet, so those three things have to go together to address operational control over your border,” said Senator Lindsey Graham, Republican of South Carolina, one of the senators mapping out the legislation. “Then you go to the next big thing — the 12 million. How do you deal with the 12 million in a firm, fair way, realizing you can’t put them all in jail and they’re not all going to self-deport?”…

“It’s going far better than any of us expected,” Mr. Schumer said in an interview.

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Boehner’s comments suggested action in the House is possible as well. In response to a question, Boehner said it is “time to deal” with changes to immigration law. Republican leaders, long opposed to legal changes that would allow more than 11 million undocumented immigrants to obtain legal residency, are increasingly shifting on the issue. They fear alienating a growing bloc of Latino voters whose opposition could force the party into a permanent minority status.

“There’s a bipartisan group of members who have been meeting for three or four years now,” Boehner told the Ripon Society. “Frankly, I think they basically have an agreement. I’ve not seen the agreement. I don’t know all the pitfalls. But it’s, in my view, the right group of members.”

“My theory was that if these folks could work this out, it’d be a big step in the right direction,” Boehner said, describing the group has one that includes both “hard heads” on the Republican side, as well advocates of immigration reform. “So I would think you’re likely to hear a lot more about immigration reform on the House side soon.”

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The birthrate in this country has fallen below the level necessary to sustain the population at the very time that millions of Americans are leaving the workforce and expecting retirement benefits. The nation needs energetic young workers to spur the economy and support an ever-increasing social-welfare burden.

The only alternatives to increased immigration are mounting debts or reduced social services. A practicable system of work-based immigration for both high-skilled and low-skilled immigrants—a system that will include a path to citizenship—will help us meet workforce needs, prevent exportation of jobs to foreign countries and protect against the exploitation of workers…

Most immigrants come here to secure a better life for themselves and their families. They cherish the values of hard work, faith, family, enterprise and patriotism that have made this country great. Meanwhile, many who were lucky enough to have been born here have grown complacent or even disdainful of these values. America’s immigration system should provide opportunities for people who share the country’s core values to become citizens, thereby strengthening the nation as have countless immigrants have before them.

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In fact the law-and-order argument, as we have pointed out a few times against immigration reform, has always been among the weakest objections. A system with coyote smugglers, forged paperwork, no enforcement and tax evasion is not law and order by any stretch of the imagination. Moreover, if Rubio is on a roll he might want to explain that the pejorative “amnesty” applies only when there is no consequence for failure to follow the law. That is not what Rubio (who envisions a fine, back taxes, possibly community service and no preferential treatment for citizenship) has been proposing — nor has most every other plan out there. That term is a red herring, indicative of a lazy argument…

It is interesting how a seemingly insoluble problem (e.g. weaning the GOP off immigration exclusionism) melts away if the timing, the messenger, the rollout and the substance of a solution are well considered. Just as the “never agree to any tax hike anywhere, anytime” faded with the realization that the GOP couldn’t stick to that without the White House and Senate, so too there is now a pathway for the GOP to rescue itself and address a major issue.

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Comprehensive immigration reform could make millions of people suddenly eligible for assistance under President Obama’s healthcare law, assuming a final deal paves the way for undocumented immigrants to receive papers…

Rep. Raul Grijalva (D-Ariz.), a member of the Congressional Hispanic Caucus, said the legalization of undocumented people would benefit hospitals now burdened by uncompensated care.

If nothing changes, undocumented immigrants will be a major share of the uninsured, second only to those who are eligible but do not apply for coverage under the healthcare law in 2014, according to the Urban Institute…

“The bottom line is, these people would be contributing toward their own healthcare and not being dependent. They’d be paying taxes. I’d see that as a plus rather than a negative,” he said.

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[Demanding comprehensive reform] is the same argument Jeb’s leftist allies in his amnesty crusade made during their push for Obamacare. Rather than undertake modest, incremental reforms — allowing the purchase of health insurance across state lines, for instance — the Democrats wanted “comprehensive health-care reform,” and we ended up with a 2,000-page doorstop law that we had to pass to learn what it contains. “Comprehensive immigration reform” might as well be called “Obamigration.”

The authors trot out “The nation needs energetic young workers to spur the economy and support an ever-increasing social-welfare burden.” Uh, immigrants are around twice as likely as the native-born to be poor and use welfare. Among Hispanic immigrants, who represent the lion’s share of the low-skilled workers the op-ed says we need “to support an ever-increasing social-welfare burden,” the majority are on welfare. This isn’t because they’re lazy spongers — fully one-third of immigrant households with a worker present are on welfare. The problem is that a post-industrial, knowledge-based economy doesn’t need additional low-skilled workers. As Milton Friedman famously said, “It’s just obvious you can’t have free immigration and a welfare state.”…

Bush and Bolick end with a fireworks finale of clichés. Immigrants “cherish the values of hard work, faith, family, enterprise and patriotism that have made this country great” and “replenish the American spirit.” While Americans, of course, “have grown complacent or even disdainful of these values.” Immigrants are people like any other, and experience the same temptations and dysfunctions of modernity — illegitimacy, family breakdown, decline of religion, and the rest. Jeb’s objectification of immigrants and antipathy toward the actually-existing American people is repellent but deplorably commonplace among immigration enthusiasts.

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The success of the Republican Party in rural areas, exurbs and in the South has come at a cost. Socially conservative voters will resist changing their spots. When, and if, Republican leaders determine that the demands of these voters for “massive resistance” to abortion, contraception and immigration are futile, they will have to decide whether to cut them loose. No matter what happens, social conservatives are unlikely to become Democrats. It may not be too long before they find themselves with a choice of their own: withdraw from party politics or hold their noses and stick with the Republicans.

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Two senators at the center of negotiations over comprehensive immigration reform, Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) and Sen. Bob Menendez (D-N.J.) said on Sunday that a pathway to citizenship is an essential component of a comprehensive reform bill.

“That has to be also part of it,” McCain told ABC News’ Martha Raddatz on “This Week” when asked whether a pathway to citizenship would be a component of reform. “There’s a new appreciation on both sides of the aisle including, maybe more importantly on the Republican side of the aisle, that we have to enact comprehensive immigration reform.”…

“I’m very pleased with the progress,” McCain said. “It’s not that much different from what we tried to do in 2007.”

Via R.S. McCain:

***

“Sitting in these meetings with three Democrats and three Republicans, working on this immigration issue has been as encouraging as the rules vote on Thursday night,” Durbin said on “Fox News Sunday”, referencing a bipartisan agreement in the Senate last week to tweak the filibuster rules.

“We are trying to work our way through some very difficult issues but we are committed to working on a comprehensive approach to finally in this country have an immigration law we can live with,” he added.

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annoyinglittletwerp on January 27, 2013 at 8:32 PM

Going to see your folks? How’s Spawn?

Cindy Munford on January 27, 2013 at 8:34 PM

As annoyed as we are right now, it’s still better than Mexico. They have to get their guns from the Obama administration. And you know you can’t count on him.

Cindy Munford on January 27, 2013 at 8:29 PM

Its bad news when the DoJ and being a criminal is your best bet to get a discounted rifle…and if you go to State as a member of the Zetas you can even get it FA along with a couple of cases of grenades thrown in…

If you can’t count on him as a criminal, though, and you can’t count on him as a citizen… then in Mexico you know you can at least buy off someone for a decent period of time and get some warning when they need a re-up of the payments. Obama doesn’t do that. He will underbus friends, family, fellow travelers, anyone who it is useful to vilify at a moment’s notice. So, yeah, this is becoming worse than Mexico, the corruption just hasn’t trickled down as fast but trickle it does.

ajacksonian on January 27, 2013 at 8:35 PM

can_con on January 27, 2013 at 8:30 PM

Carlin was hilarious..I still go back on youtube and watch his shows..:)

Dire Straits on January 27, 2013 at 8:35 PM

So, yeah, this is becoming worse than Mexico, the corruption just hasn’t trickled down as fast but trickle it does.

ajacksonian on January 27, 2013 at 8:35 PM

I bet it has trickled down, we just don’t have a media who will tell us.

Cindy Munford on January 27, 2013 at 8:36 PM

DHS gun buy

Greg Ball in NYC has a future in the party I think. I like this guy

Something to look forward to if amnesty goes through


Latino Gangs

gophergirl on January 27, 2013 at 8:36 PM

predator on January 27, 2013 at 8:33 PM

Give it some thought.

Cindy Munford on January 27, 2013 at 8:37 PM

Blackhawks up 1-0 on wings. Almost end of 2nd.

Rusty Allen on January 27, 2013 at 8:39 PM

That Hannity show on D.C. is suppose to replay at 9. People said it was good.

Cindy Munford on January 27, 2013 at 8:40 PM

Going to see your folks? How’s Spawn?

Cindy Munford on January 27, 2013 at 8:34 PM

Going to see a friend who can’t visit here due to sa medical condition.
No folks to see anymore.
Spawn’s halfway through his freshman year @ Texas Tech. He loves it.

annoyinglittletwerp on January 27, 2013 at 8:40 PM

Strange that these people come here illegally for jobs and no one is proposing making a good guest worker program to account for people who want work…

How about a pathway to sub-minimum wage jobs for guest workers?

Heck, how about doing that for citizens, too?

ajacksonian on January 27, 2013 at 8:06 PM

That is because the politicians both Democrat and Republican have a sick twisted and insidious plan. They know that 30% of the illegal use various forms of public assistance, but 70% do not. However all 100% of the working illegal aliens are paying Social Security.

Paying Social security that they will never have access to.

Yes, figure it out, they are using the illegal aliens to fund Social Security, they are using them as SLAVE LABOR to fund Social Security. That’s why neither the Democrats nor the Republican leadership will do anything to actually fix the illegal immigration problem.

SWalker on January 27, 2013 at 8:40 PM

Cindy Munford on January 27, 2013 at 8:36 PM

How is the new job working out for you?..:)

Dire Straits on January 27, 2013 at 8:40 PM

The birthrate in this country has fallen below the level necessary to sustain the population at the very time that millions of Americans are leaving the workforce and expecting retirement benefits. The nation needs energetic young workers to spur the economy and support an ever-increasing social-welfare burden.

But, it needs brains, not drains; otherwise, it will make the exact same mistake Europe did.

Suicide-by-demographics cannot be cured by just adding people. It requires TAXPAYERS and significant ones, at that.

Resist We Much on January 27, 2013 at 8:41 PM

Latino Gangs

gophergirl on January 27, 2013 at 8:36 PM

I saw that today. Yet another one of the benefits of amnesty. Unfortunately, Greg Ball has no future in a party that has no future. Amnesty = permanent Dem majority = Dem super majorities = gun confiscation. The list is endless.

TxAnn56 on January 27, 2013 at 8:41 PM

Considering the topic, its shaping up to be a ZZ kinda evening.

Bmore on January 27, 2013 at 8:42 PM

GG: I have a FB friend who’s a flight attendant hq’d @ O’Hare. She mentioned ‘weather’ yesterday-but hasn’t sounded as grave today.

annoyinglittletwerp on January 27, 2013 at 8:42 PM

annoyinglittletwerp on January 27, 2013 at 8:40 PM

I hope you have fun, be careful, I hear they can’t have guns there but people are allowed to be shot. Good for Spawn, I’m glad he’s prospering and enjoying it.

Cindy Munford on January 27, 2013 at 8:42 PM

TxAnn56 on January 27, 2013 at 8:29 PM

Granting amnesty in 1986 didn’t make Hispanics vote GOP and neither will a new one.

Why? Because they’re too poor and 70% of illegal aliens receive government handouts already. They would vote Democrat.

What can be done with a demographic group (Hispanics) that breeds like rabbits because the Catholic Church forbids birth control?

sentinelrules on January 27, 2013 at 8:43 PM

I bet it has trickled down, we just don’t have a media who will tell us.

Cindy Munford on January 27, 2013 at 8:36 PM

Of course they won’t report it.

They are apparatchiks and pro-corruption to suit their own political ends. They aren’t ‘reporters’ just Democratic operatives with bylines.

ajacksonian on January 27, 2013 at 8:43 PM

Have you gave a look at Rubio’s plan??..:)

Dire Straits on January 27, 2013 at 8:26 PM

No I haven’t.

Kjeil on January 27, 2013 at 8:44 PM

“Immigrants “cherish the values of hard work, faith, family, enterprise and patriotism that have made this country great” and “replenish the American spirit.” While Americans, of course, “have grown complacent or even disdainful of these values.”

As I read it, we are expendable and are to be replaced by the younger immigrants…

Bush and Bolick are a disgrace.

Nothing we say will matter a hill of beans.

I just hope that whatever they end up doing follows the law…

Scrumpy on January 27, 2013 at 8:45 PM

Dire Straits on January 27, 2013 at 8:40 PM

It’s actually an old job that I have gone back to part time. I proctor computer based tests to adults for the jobs or school. We had about 18 MCats the other day. It’s a fun job if you like people and I do. I work one day with a normal person and another day with an Obama lover.

Cindy Munford on January 27, 2013 at 8:45 PM

I hope you have fun, be careful, I hear they can’t have guns there but people are allowed to be shot. Good for Spawn, I’m glad he’s prospering and enjoying it.

Cindy Munford on January 27, 2013 at 8:42 PM

I drove a truck up there for nearly fifteen years. I didn’t keep a gun in my truck–I kept two.

predator on January 27, 2013 at 8:45 PM

predator on January 27, 2013 at 8:45 PM

If you were an illegal you would be rewarded for breaking the law.

Cindy Munford on January 27, 2013 at 8:46 PM

Nationwide.

Bmore on January 27, 2013 at 8:46 PM

Cindy Munford on January 27, 2013 at 8:42 PM

I’m taking my CHL class in 3 weeks.

annoyinglittletwerp on January 27, 2013 at 8:46 PM

They are apparatchiks and pro-corruption to suit their own political ends. They aren’t ‘reporters’ just Democratic operatives with bylines.

ajacksonian on January 27, 2013 at 8:43 PM

No, The Fifth Column Treasonous Media are not Democrat operatives, they are Marxist’s, and as long as the Democrats follow a socialist/Marxist path they will support the Democrats. The vast majority of the Democrat Leadership are also Marxist, but the democrat Base is not. They are just useful idiots who are indoctrinated and brainwashed to trust the Democrat leadership and not think for themselves.

SWalker on January 27, 2013 at 8:46 PM

sentinelrules on January 27, 2013 at 8:43 PM

Exactly. We get 30% of that vote if we go for amnesty; we get 30% of that vote if we don’t.

predator on January 27, 2013 at 8:47 PM

sentinelrules on January 27, 2013 at 8:43 PM

We all become catholic and outbreed them? ;-)

Scrumpy on January 27, 2013 at 8:47 PM

annoyinglittletwerp on January 27, 2013 at 8:40 PM

Dr Tesla asked me to ask you to refrain referring to your son as spawn. He feels it’s disrespectful and he wouldn’t use such a term in regards to children he doesn’t have.

Rusty Allen on January 27, 2013 at 8:48 PM

Rep. Raul Grijalva (D-Ariz.), a member of the Congressional Hispanic Caucus, said the legalization of undocumented people would benefit hospitals now burdened by uncompensated care.

LOL! In 5 years, there will likely be more uninsured people than there are now once people and employers find out that it is far cheaper to pay the fines than the premiums.

Resist We Much on January 27, 2013 at 8:49 PM

Kjeil on January 27, 2013 at 8:44 PM

While it is not perfect by no stretch..It has a lot of loops and Border Security..It is a place to start..imho..:)

Dire Straits on January 27, 2013 at 8:49 PM

What can be done with a demographic group (Hispanics) that breeds like rabbits because the Catholic Church forbids birth control?

sentinelrules on January 27, 2013 at 8:43 PM

Apparently the cheap labor Chamber of Commerce RINOs don’t understand the attrition through enforcement concept. Nor do they understand that illegal immigration begets more illegal immigration and amnesty begets more amnesty. If you give amnesty, you give out a message that says come in illegally, you’ll eventually get your turn.

They’re signing their party’s warrant. And that of the country’s, although it’s already on life support.

TxAnn56 on January 27, 2013 at 8:49 PM

Thank you.

Bmore on January 27, 2013 at 8:49 PM

If you were an illegal you would be rewarded for breaking the law.

Cindy Munford on January 27, 2013 at 8:46 PM

The cops who worked the streets up there all knew we carried, and I never talked to one who blamed us. If fact, they used to tell me I was nuts if I didn’t.

One told me specifically that the motto “To Protect and Serve” was complete BS. He said, “We can’t protect anybody. We don’t have the numbers. All we can do is try to serve my finding the bad guys after the incident has occurred.”

predator on January 27, 2013 at 8:50 PM

annoyinglittletwerp on January 27, 2013 at 8:46 PM

I’m getting ready to take mine soon. I already bought my purse made by “Gun Toten Mamas”.

Cindy Munford on January 27, 2013 at 8:50 PM

However all 100% of the working illegal aliens are paying Social Security.

Paying Social security that they will never have access to.

SWalker on January 27, 2013 at 8:40 PM

Not the ones at Home Depot or Lowe’s who are working for cash. Immigrants, especially illegal one, are far more likely than native born to be getting welfare.

http://www.aesopsretreat.com/forum/index.php?topic=55682.0;wap2

bw222 on January 27, 2013 at 8:50 PM

I’m getting ready to take mine soon. I already bought my purse made by “Gun Toten Mamas”.

Cindy Munford on January 27, 2013 at 8:50 PM

I love it!

gophergirl on January 27, 2013 at 8:51 PM

Cindy Munford on January 27, 2013 at 8:50 PM

I don’t carry a purse, so mind will be a holster or something. Might I ask, what’s your weapon of choice?

annoyinglittletwerp on January 27, 2013 at 8:52 PM

Cindy Munford on January 27, 2013 at 8:45 PM

xcuse me..I had a brain lapse”..You told me before that you were starting part time at your old job..Sounds great that you like it..Liking your job is a good thing..Glad to see it is working out for you..:)

Dire Straits on January 27, 2013 at 8:52 PM

I saw a picture of the people at the gun control rally (pitiful turn out) and in the middle of all the Sandy Hook signs was a guy with a sign that said “I carry a gun because a cop is too heavy.”

Cindy Munford on January 27, 2013 at 8:53 PM

Would not, could not without. La Grange.

Bmore on January 27, 2013 at 8:53 PM

Thank you.

Bmore on January 27, 2013 at 8:49 PM

Given the topic…

You talk about yer outlaw jam!

predator on January 27, 2013 at 8:53 PM

I feel lousy. I better not be getting sick or I will never hear the end of it from everybody I know.

“We told you to get a flu shot” blah blah blah

gophergirl on January 27, 2013 at 8:54 PM

I drove a truck up there for nearly fifteen years. I didn’t keep a gun in my truck–I kept two.

predator on January 27, 2013 at 8:45 PM

wow..:)

Dire Straits on January 27, 2013 at 8:54 PM


Watergate-era Judiciary chief of staff: Hillary Clinton fired for lies, unethical behavior

“As Hillary Clinton came under increasing scrutiny for her story about facing sniper fire in Bosnia, one question that arose was whether she has engaged in a pattern of lying. The now-retired general counsel and chief of staff of the House Judiciary Committee, who supervised Hillary when she worked on the Watergate investigation, says Hillary’s history of lies and unethical behavior goes back farther – and goes much deeper – than anyone realizes.”

VorDaj on January 27, 2013 at 8:54 PM

“I carry a gun because a cop is too heavy.”

Cindy Munford on January 27, 2013 at 8:53 PM

; )

Bmore on January 27, 2013 at 8:54 PM

“I carry a gun because a cop is too heavy.”

Cindy Munford on January 27, 2013 at 8:53 PM

lolz..Priceless..:)

Dire Straits on January 27, 2013 at 8:55 PM

Get rid of the anchor-baby clause…then we’ll talk.

Laura in Maryland on January 27, 2013 at 8:56 PM

gophergirl on January 27, 2013 at 8:54 PM

I sure hope you don’t come down with the flu or that stomach virus.

Praying that you will be well!!

Take care GG!

Scrumpy on January 27, 2013 at 8:56 PM

Bmore on January 27, 2013 at 8:54 PM

Good evening..:)

Dire Straits on January 27, 2013 at 8:56 PM

We were younger. Per this comment.

bw222 on January 27, 2013 at 8:50 PM

Paid today.

Bmore on January 27, 2013 at 8:56 PM

Good evening..:)

Dire Straits on January 27, 2013 at 8:56 PM

Good evening my friend! ; )

Bmore on January 27, 2013 at 8:57 PM

wow..:)

Dire Straits on January 27, 2013 at 8:54 PM

Those guns got me out of eight attempted robberies/hijackings in those fifteen years. Never again. I’d clean stalls on a hog farm before I’d ever drive truck in the inner city again.

predator on January 27, 2013 at 8:57 PM

annoyinglittletwerp on January 27, 2013 at 8:52 PM

I haven’t really decided. We have a lot of options and we are going to the range to determine the best. This may sound stupid but I think a revolver will give me less to think about under pressure. But less ammo. After the class and some practice I will be able to make a more informed decision.

Cindy Munford on January 27, 2013 at 8:57 PM

The birthrate in this country has fallen below the level necessary to sustain the population at the very time that millions of Americans are leaving the workforce and expecting retirement benefits. The nation needs energetic young workers to spur the economy and support an ever-increasing social-welfare burden.

Holy cow. I was wrong. Again. I thought it was slave labor and the general ignorance of progressivism, doing things “just ’cause they’re fair.” But these guys want a good, old fashioned (really old fashioned) proletariat that they can farm for tax money.

A low-tech Matrix movie. People as economic batteries.

And that’s from Jeb Bush.

Axe on January 27, 2013 at 8:58 PM

Get rid of the anchor-baby clause…then we’ll talk.

Laura in Maryland on January 27, 2013 at 8:56 PM

I see your point big time!!.BUT that is a constitutional admentment..That is going to be very hard if not impossible..:)

Dire Straits on January 27, 2013 at 8:58 PM

Has Rubio started calling McCain, dad yet?

VorDaj on January 27, 2013 at 8:59 PM

Cindy Munford on January 27, 2013 at 8:57 PM

I’ve got a revolver. A pistol isn’t much use if I can’t pull the slide back.

annoyinglittletwerp on January 27, 2013 at 8:59 PM

That is because the politicians both Democrat and Republican have a sick twisted and insidious plan. They know that 30% of the illegal use various forms of public assistance, but 70% do not. However all 100% of the working illegal aliens are paying Social Security.

Paying Social security that they will never have access to.

Yes, figure it out, they are using the illegal aliens to fund Social Security, they are using them as SLAVE LABOR to fund Social Security. That’s why neither the Democrats nor the Republican leadership will do anything to actually fix the illegal immigration problem.

SWalker on January 27, 2013 at 8:40 PM

Unfortunately due to the Ponzi Scheme nature of all the entitlement programs, that 70% won’t earn enough to pay for the 30% on public assistance, not to speak of SSA, the M&Ms+O, unemployment insurance, and the rest of it. That low end of the spectrum just won’t cut it and the demographic changeover happened a couple of decades back. Even if 100% of illegals were 13 and well educated, that still wouldn’t do more than buy a year or two more for the entire edifice.

The cruel hand of demographics and the nature of the schemes involved are now entering a terminal phase. No amount of more labor will make it work, period.

The very nature of ALL the entitlements would have to be RADICALLY altered as to when they start, how much they will pay out, and finally saying to people that once they reached the end of ‘what they contributed’ they were SOL and on their own. That would change the picture of, say, SSA to start at the average age of death in the US and then index it to that as a floating average. Until that happens to all the entitlements, the system will implode. It isn’t about the number of people brought in, its about the structure of the system and it is one set for failure.

Of course these fine idiots Upon the Hill know that and will attempt to sell any snake oil that they can and tell you how sweet it is… this poison is always sweet, but it is now just about ready to kill the system its put into. Adding more at the lowest levels and more to the public rolls in immediate need of assistance just might crash the thing immediately. Even if they write the new incomers OUT of the public assistance and ‘entitlements’ that won’t save the system as that type of labor has more overhead to it and is less marginally useful than a fully productive citizen in a much better job.

The margins cannot save the system that has been created.

Slave labor won’t do it.

Low end paid labor won’t do it.

It is way beyond marginal fixes.

It might be a nice scheme, but it will make the system fail faster, not slower… they may be idiots those one pushing this stuff, but they aren’t that suicidal. They are counting on the few sane people there to stop this.

ajacksonian on January 27, 2013 at 8:59 PM

I feel lousy. I better not be getting sick or I will never hear the end of it from everybody I know.

“We told you to get a flu shot” blah blah blah

gophergirl on January 27, 2013 at 8:54 PM

Never had a flu shot in my life. Also never had the flu in my life. But then, I have the internal workings of a buzzard, so there’s that. :D

predator on January 27, 2013 at 8:59 PM

predator on January 27, 2013 at 8:57 PM

I hear you..:)

Dire Straits on January 27, 2013 at 8:59 PM

For the Senoritas. Tush.

Bmore on January 27, 2013 at 8:59 PM

VorDaj on January 27, 2013 at 8:54 PM

Thanks for that ‘tidbit’… bookmarked!

Scrumpy on January 27, 2013 at 9:00 PM

If I must find a pony in this barn full of manure

Cindy Munford on January 27, 2013 at 8:11 PM

lol

Axe on January 27, 2013 at 9:01 PM

Dire Straits on January 27, 2013 at 8:52 PM

Like, is a relative term and I wonder if I will stick with it since it isn’t a necessity. It’s a nice job for someone who is on Social Security and wants to subsidize their income. Usually as soon as I work for someone I feel obligated to stay give them my best.

Cindy Munford on January 27, 2013 at 9:02 PM

predator on January 27, 2013 at 8:53 PM

predator!!!!! Love that!

Bmore on January 27, 2013 at 9:02 PM

TxAnn56 on January 27, 2013 at 8:59 PM

I know..It is not perfect..I think it is a good stating point.:)

PS..I [[[shudder]]] to see Obie’s plan..:)

Dire Straits on January 27, 2013 at 9:02 PM

Good evening everyone :-)…

Scrumpy on January 27, 2013 at 9:03 PM

Cindy Munford on January 27, 2013 at 9:02 PM

Good deal nothing wrong with that..:)

PS..Remember the new laptop??..:)

Dire Straits on January 27, 2013 at 9:04 PM

For my buddy Dire.

Bmore on January 27, 2013 at 9:04 PM

Get rid of the anchor-baby clause…then we’ll talk.

Laura in Maryland on January 27, 2013 at 8:56 PM

I see your point big time!!.BUT that is a constitutional admentment..That is going to be very hard if not impossible..:)

Dire Straits on January 27, 2013 at 8:58 PM

Actually, the “anchor baby clause” is not a constitutional amendment. It wasn’t until 1982, that children of illegals or legal immigrants were subject to the jurisdiction of another country even began to be considered Americans by birth. In Phyler v Doe, 457 U.S. 202 (1982), a case where the Court held that there is no right to public education, but if a state offers it, it must be made available to all children whether citizen or alien, legal or illegal. In a footnote to his 5-4 opinion, Justice Brennan asserted that:

“…no plausible distinction with respect to Fourteenth Amendment ‘jurisdiction’ can be drawn between resident aliens whose entry into the United States was lawful, and resident aliens whose entry was unlawful.” (Other than the part about one being lawful and the other not.)

It was a FOOTNOTE in a Supreme Court decision in 1982 that established the so-called “anchor baby rule.” The law in the United States had never recognised children born here to illegal aliens as American citizens prior to Justice Brennan’s insertion of a FOOTNOTE in a 1982 opinion.

Resist We Much on January 27, 2013 at 9:05 PM

My plane leaves early(actually PLANES*thanks LBJ///*) so I’d better hit the hay.
‘Night.

annoyinglittletwerp on January 27, 2013 at 9:05 PM

predator on January 27, 2013 at 8:53 PM

predator!!!!! Love that!

Bmore on January 27, 2013 at 9:02 PM

First tune I ever heard by them. I was at a kegger out in the sticks. Been a fan ever since.

predator on January 27, 2013 at 9:06 PM

annoyinglittletwerp on January 27, 2013 at 8:59 PM

Some of them are really hard to slide. I am usually good under pressure but then I have never been in a life or death situation. I worry about fumbling for the safety and trying to remember if a round is chambered or not. A friend of mine just got a semi-auto and immediately hated it because it had too much kick. Lots to think about.

Cindy Munford on January 27, 2013 at 9:06 PM

Scrumpy, have you eaten as yet? I gotta decide if QOTD is safe. ;-)

tommy71 on January 27, 2013 at 9:06 PM

Cindy Munford on January 27, 2013 at 8:57 PM

Make sure you shoot a .40 cal pistol..I think you will like it..:)

Dire Straits on January 27, 2013 at 9:06 PM

Never had a flu shot in my life. Also never had the flu in my life. But then, I have the internal workings of a buzzard, so there’s that. :D

predator on January 27, 2013 at 8:59 PM

ROFL!

I don’t get flu shots anymore. They didn’t pass the risk/reward calculation for me.

22044 on January 27, 2013 at 9:07 PM

Good evening everyone :-)…

Scrumpy on January 27, 2013 at 9:03 PM

Hey Scrumpy! Bmore and I are exchanging some ZZ Top memories. Good stuff. Good stuff, indeed.

predator on January 27, 2013 at 9:07 PM

Cindy Munford on January 27, 2013 at 9:06 PM

I’ll post my range pix to ‘his’ page…with a note about what I used.
Now I’m REALLY leaving.

annoyinglittletwerp on January 27, 2013 at 9:08 PM

For our “Friend” John McCain.

Bmore on January 27, 2013 at 9:08 PM

Resist We Much on January 27, 2013 at 9:05 PM

Thank you for the info and correcting me..Great info..:)

Dire Straits on January 27, 2013 at 9:08 PM

GOP=Enemy of the Republic.

Mr. Arrogant on January 27, 2013 at 9:08 PM

Hot Air!!!!!!!!!!!1

KCB on January 27, 2013 at 9:08 PM

ROFL!

I don’t get flu shots anymore. They didn’t pass the risk/reward calculation for me.

22044 on January 27, 2013 at 9:07 PM

I haven’t had the flu in years except the year I got a flu shot. I’ve never seen the benefit in them either.

gophergirl on January 27, 2013 at 9:09 PM

The very author of the citizenship clause expressly said:

“Every person born within the limits of the United States, and subject to their jurisdiction, is by virtue of natural law and national law a citizen of the United States. This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the Government of the United States, but will include every other class of persons. It settles the great question of citizenship and removes all doubt as to what persons are or are not citizens of the United States.

- Senator Jacob Howard, (R-MI), The Congressional Record published as The Congressional Globe, 30 May 1866

His colleague from Pennsylvania confirmed the understanding that merely being born on American soil did NOT make one an American citizen when he stated on the floor of the United States Senate:

“The honourable Senator from Michigan has given this subject, I have no doubt, a good deal of his attention, and I am really desirous to have a legal definition of “citizenship of the United States.” What does it mean? What is its length and breadth? I would be glad if the honourable Senator in good earnest would favour us with some such definition. Is the child of the Chinese immigrant in California a citizen? Is the child of a Gypsy born in Pennsylvania a citizen? If so, what rights have they? Have they any more rights than a sojourner in the United States? If a traveler comes here from Ethiopia, from Australia, or from Great Britain, he is entitled, to a certain extent, to the protection of the laws. You cannot murder him with impunity. It is murder to kill him, the same as it is to kill another man. You cannot commit an assault and battery on him, I apprehend. He has a right to the protection of the laws; but he is not a citizen in the ordinary acceptation of the word. It is perfectly clear that the mere fact that a man is born in the country has not heretofore entitled him to the right to exercise political power.

- Senator Edward Cowan, (R-PA), The Congressional Record published as The Congressional Globe, 30 May 1866

In Elk v Wilkins, 112 U.S. 94 (1884), the Supreme Court ruled that the 14th Amendment did not even confer citizenship on Indians — because they were subject to tribal jurisdiction, not American jurisdiction. For a century, that was how the 14th Amendment was read, interpreted and understood. During that time, only one case adding the caveat that children born to LEGAL permanent residents of the US, gainfully employed, and who were not employed by a foreign government would also be deemed citizens under the 14th Amendment. United States v. Wong Kim Ark, 169 U.S. 649 (1898). In Wong, the Court held:

“A child born in the United States, of parent[s] of Chinese descent, who, at the time of his birth, are subjects of the Emperor of China, but have a permanent domicil[e] and residence in the United States, and are there carrying on business, and are not employed in any diplomatic or official capacity under the Emperor of China, becomes at the time of his birth a citizen of the United States.”

Adios, Adios, Miss American Pie? Not Necessarily.

M2RB: Don McLean

Resist We Much on January 27, 2013 at 9:09 PM

Dire Straits on January 27, 2013 at 9:06 PM

The Husband and the oldest Boy Wonder use to be part of a gun club in Virginia Beach and I am pretty sure I will have that option. We use to have a S & W .357 on a 44 frame and I don’t remember that being any big deal to shoot. Not that it is in the mix anymore but it was kind of big.

Cindy Munford on January 27, 2013 at 9:09 PM

predator on January 27, 2013 at 9:06 PM

Hard to beat “That little ole band from Texas”

Bmore on January 27, 2013 at 9:09 PM

I don’t get flu shots anymore. They didn’t pass the risk/reward calculation for me.

22044 on January 27, 2013 at 9:07 PM

‘Zactly.

Axe on January 27, 2013 at 9:10 PM

Thank you for the info and correcting me..Great info..:)

Dire Straits on January 27, 2013 at 9:08 PM

You’re welcome. The Left has been very good at revisionist history. :-)

Resist We Much on January 27, 2013 at 9:10 PM

Bmore on January 27, 2013 at 9:04 PM

Nice tune..:)

Dire Straits on January 27, 2013 at 9:10 PM

Since I doubt Hot Air will be on the ball enough to post this, here’s Obama and Hillary’s joint 60 Minutes interview.

steebo77 on January 27, 2013 at 9:11 PM

Cindy – you made nachos come out of my nose – OUCH!

Laura in Maryland on January 27, 2013 at 9:11 PM

Resist We Much on January 27, 2013 at 9:10 PM

I hear you..:)

Dire Straits on January 27, 2013 at 9:11 PM

tommy71 on January 27, 2013 at 9:06 PM

It will be safe :-). So sorry I was so ‘ugly’ last night…

I have eaten, just what I said I would some Lo Mein… tho not til late afternoon.

Subsisting on 600 cals, for 3and a half days, from Gatorade and just drinking water and eating sugar free jello, did nothing for me!!

I don’t think I have a virus…meds should have kicked in by now.

Scrumpy on January 27, 2013 at 9:11 PM

predator on January 27, 2013 at 8:59 PM

Me to either but I swear while we were in Virginia we were marinading in that crud. I got a minor head cold but I still think I will forgo the shot.

Cindy Munford on January 27, 2013 at 9:11 PM

For 0. Better than he deserves.

Bmore on January 27, 2013 at 9:12 PM

Laura in Maryland on January 27, 2013 at 9:11 PM

I am so sorry, what in the world did I say?

Cindy Munford on January 27, 2013 at 9:12 PM

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