Report: Bipartisan Senate group nearing agreement on comprehensive immigration proposal

posted at 5:15 pm on January 25, 2013 by Allahpundit

Who’s in the group? Chuck Schumer, Dick Durbin, Bob Menendez, Marco Rubio and, er, Lindsey Graham and McCain. So you know this bill will be solid.

Before you start grumbling, look: The big cave on amnesty is coming. It’s a fait accompli. Make peace with it. Latino voters didn’t cost the GOP the election this time but the demographics are such that that won’t always be true if Republicans continue to lose the group by 70/30 or 75/25 margins. Now is the time to show some goodwill by legalizing millions of illegal immigrants and adding them, eventually, to the voter rolls. Maybe then we’ll only lose 60/40.

Their timetable would aim for a bill to be written by March or April and potentially considered for final passage in the Senate as early as the summer. Proponents believe adoption in the GOP-held House would be made easier with a strong bipartisan vote in the Senate.

The working group’s principles would address stricter border control, better employer verification of workers’ immigration status, new visas for temporary agriculture workers and expanding the number of visas available for skilled engineers. They would also include a call to help young people who were brought to the country illegally as children by their parents become citizens and to normalize the status of the nation’s 11 million illegal immigrants.

But obstacles abound. For instance, Rubio has said he believes immigrants who came to the country illegally should be able to earn a work permit. But he has said they should be required to seek citizenship through existing avenues, and only after those who have come to the country legally.

Democrats and immigration advocates fear that approach could result in wait-times stretching for decades, creating a class of permanent legal residents for whom the benefits of citizenship appear unattainable. They have pushed to create new pathways to citizenship specifically available to those who achieve legal residency as part a reform effort.

It is not yet clear if the Senate group will endorse a mechanism allowing such people to eventually become citizens — something Obama is expected to champion. Schumer said it would be “relatively detailed,” but would not “get down into the weeds.”

A source close to Rubio said he joined the group in December at the request of other members only after they agreed their effort would line up with his own principles for reform, which he outlined in an interview with the Wall Street Journal three weeks ago.

Rubio wants to do this in a series of smaller bills but Democrats don’t like that idea any more than they like the idea of delayed citizenship. Smaller bills might slow the legalization process by making amnesty contingent upon the achievement of quantifiable successes in reducing illegal immigration (which has already shrunk considerably thanks to the recession) and improving workplace enforcement. Mark Krikorian prefers the piecemeal approach too — e.g., a limited DREAM amnesty if and only if e-Verify is fully implemented — but thinks we’re going to get rolled on the citizenship process, even if the Senate ends up opting for Rubio’s “existing avenues” approach:

Also on Levin’s show, Senator Rubio clarified his “path to citizenship.” The illegals would all get amnesty immediately, of course, but they would only have a renewable work visa. After a time, they’d be able to apply for green cards (that could lead to citizenship) only through the existing immigration system by, say, marrying a citizen or what have you. Practically speaking, that would mean millions of the amnestied illegal aliens would remain in that work-visa status for the rest of their lives, creating a strong issue for Democrats: “Vote for us and we’ll end the Jim Crow immigration status the evil Republicans have imposed on you!” We’d lose Hispanic market share with that kind of approach.

Yeah, it’s impossible to imagine this process resulting in a situation where Democrats aren’t still demagoging Republicans over immigration. It’s too useful a weapon for them electorally; even Obama’s rhetoric, which usually sounds semi-exalted even when he’s accusing the GOP of wanting to starve grandma and see kindergarteners get shot, turns more overtly vicious when discussing this subject. The GOP would have to rubber-stamp whatever Democrats proposed in order to get off scot free, and even then some Dems would grumble. You don’t give up a 70/30 advantage with one of the country’s fastest growing demographics lightly. And if that wasn’t enough inducement for Republicans to compromise, recent polls are on Democrats’ side here. CNN found that a majority now think the government’s priority should be finding a way to let illegals become legal residents; a few years ago, that majority prioritized deportation. An AP poll found more than six in 10 Americans now support eventual citizenship for illegals, including 53 percent of Republicans. Even the national exit poll taken on election day found 65 percent support for letting illegals apply at some point for “legal status.” Democrats would love to see the GOP block this, and the Republican leadership knows it.

It’s Friday and we need a laugh so here’s a reminder that McCain pretended to be a border hawk during his 2010 Senate reelection campaign. Exit question: When was the last time a senator on either side held as much sway over his caucus on a major issue as Rubio now does over the GOP on this? It’s impossible to imagine Republicans filibustering a bill if he supports it. He has the power to all but guarantee that something will pass the Senate.


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Make peace with it.

Never!

FloatingRock on January 25, 2013 at 6:52 PM

The stupid as hell assumption that everyone in the world wants to be a loyal America loving citizen who only wants nothing more than to come here uninvited and then not break any more laws and wants to totally assimilate and just hasn’t had the chance to because they’ve been too busy living among the millions of other uninvited aliens who have nothing but love for this country and they would be so proud to denounce their foreign citizenship to be loyal loving Americans, who BTW don’t need any assistance whatsoever, productive lawful wonderful people just wanting to share in the greatest nation on earth’s bounty.

BS, reconquista is real, and McCain and Graham and all the rest know it. What politicians are doing is no different than what France did when Hitler came as an uninvited alien.

They’re just too chickensh!t to admit it.

Speakup on January 25, 2013 at 6:53 PM

BTW…….anyone heard from Palin on the gun grab or on this new Amnesty SHINOLA sandwich?

What about Cruz?

Obama is an AMERICAN DICTATOR!!!!

PappyD61 on January 25, 2013 at 6:45 PM

Palin did not renew her contract with FOX News so depending on what she’s planning we may hear more or less of her.

kim roy on January 25, 2013 at 6:54 PM

This one party (with two different names)rule sucks.

voiceofreason on January 25, 2013 at 6:57 PM

I really think we should give McCain back to the Vietnamese. Maybe they’d offer him a path to citizenship.

CorporatePiggy on January 25, 2013 at 7:07 PM

Or maybe Romney without the $.

Bmore on January 25, 2013 at 7:10 PM

Actually, getting this bill through and putting the issue behind them is the best thing the Republicans could do for themselves. Get a lot of TV for Rubio and — since it won’t be an issue in 2016 — avoid the vote-killing videos of six Republicans arguing about who hates immigrants more. Take a litmus test away from the Democrats and, by the way, do the right thing.

urban elitist on January 25, 2013 at 7:10 PM

urban elitist on January 25, 2013 at 7:10 PM

Yeah, we know you are all about what’s best for Republicans.

Cindy Munford on January 25, 2013 at 7:15 PM

We need to let them know that they will not ever live in peace should they pass Amnesty.

We’ll be a nation of Anton Chigurhs hounding them until their end.

sartana on January 25, 2013 at 7:19 PM

Make 12 plus million voters legal so that the vast majority then could vote for democrats? what could go wrong..yeah, that is a one way ticket to permanently no longer being in power for the Republicans

sadsushi on January 25, 2013 at 7:22 PM

“My friends…”

Seven Percent Solution on January 25, 2013 at 7:26 PM

This is one Hispanic who won’t support Rubio if he gets the GOP nod for 2016. I had it years ago with the GOP attempting to appeal to the Hispanic community. Which part? Certainly not the law abiding part.

If you’re thinking of criticizing me, think again. I tried to make the case for Romney to some of my conservative friends; we held our noses for the last time. The ‘lesser of two evils’ argument isn’t viable any longer.

madmonkphotog on January 25, 2013 at 7:27 PM

Yeah, we know you are all about what’s best for Republicans.

Cindy Munford on January 25, 2013 at 7:15 PM

Just a little objective analysis on a Friday night.

For fun, you could explain why I’m wrong.

Make 12 plus million voters legal so that the vast majority then could vote for democrats? what could go wrong..yeah, that is a one way ticket to permanently no longer being in power for the Republicans

sadsushi on January 25, 2013 at 7:22 PM

You do realize how many years it will take for these guys to become citizens by any path that can pass the House, right, and how few will actually do so? And how few legal Hispanics vote, anyway?

If you can’t make a coherent case in the decade you’d have between the bill passing and maybe on in ten of the 12 million voting, you have deeper political problems than immigration reform.

urban elitist on January 25, 2013 at 7:28 PM

Even the national exit poll taken on election day found 65 percent support for letting illegals apply at some point for “legal status.” Democrats would love to see the GOP block this, and the Republican leadership knows it.

By all means, let’s base this decision on exit polls from an election where the issue of illegal immigration never really came up.

Now is the time to show some goodwill by legalizing millions of illegal immigrants and adding them, eventually, to the voter rolls. Maybe then we’ll only lose 60/40.

Because that’s what’s happened after every other amnesty since the 1960s. It’s called sewing the seeds of your own destruction.

xblade on January 25, 2013 at 7:31 PM

You assume assimilation, but currently we celebrate diversity, and with the influx of millions upon millions why would they ever have to integrate. They all live together and bring their culture with them. News flash it’s not the 1880s anymore.

DFCtomm on January 25, 2013 at 6:48 PM

Oh brother. There were strong and neat ethnic German-American (who cam in the 1840s-50s) communities up until the 1900s. Yet do you see German-American dances, community organizers and halls, etc. today? No we don’t and all we have today is Oktoberfest and that only survives because all Americans can related to getting smashed on beer.

According to a pew poll 25 percent of Hispanics and Asians who married in 2010 had a spouse of a different race, most of those were white. If Hispanics and Asians keep marrying whites at that rate the Hispanic and Asian “pure communities” will be like Oktoberfest by 2050…a historical legacy.

William Eaton on January 25, 2013 at 7:34 PM

I thought they wanted to stop being the Stupid Party.

Ukiah on January 25, 2013 at 7:38 PM

William Eaton on January 25, 2013 at 7:34 PM

You need to visit a sanctuary city like Houston and see how well these 3rd grade educated Mestizos assimilate. You won’t be able to miss them. They’ll be the ones who have turned once nice middle class neighborhoods into trash filled barrios with the streets looking like Juarez flea markets. Make sure you can read spanish too because they sure as he11 don’t speak or read English.

TxAnn56 on January 25, 2013 at 7:39 PM

Even the national exit poll taken on election day found 65 percent support for letting illegal apply at some point for “legal status.”

The exit polls were taken in Democrat cities and blue states.

The GOP will betray you

True_King on January 25, 2013 at 7:41 PM

Take a litmus test away from the Democrats and, by the way, do the right thing.

urban elitist on January 25, 2013 at 7:10 PM

Because doing the right thing in this case involves sanctioning millions of people breaking federal law.

Dolt.

CorporatePiggy on January 25, 2013 at 7:44 PM

and, by the way, do the right thing.

urban elitist on January 25, 2013 at 7:10 PM

You have never known what the right thing to do is on any serious issue.

MelonCollie on January 25, 2013 at 7:50 PM

Has Allah sold out? I’m getting disgusted more everytime he posts on immigration. Please show your data indicating that hispanics dont vote for republicans because of their stance on immigration, as opposed to all other issues before advising conservatives to surrender yet again. Most Americans, Rs and Ds alike oppose amnesty, but the establishment has cowered Republicans from honestly grabbing the issue by the horns. Go ahead, look at the polling data! Hispanics will never ever vote for a conservative Republican party even if it caves on amnesty.
Stop your propaganda now.

flawedskull on January 25, 2013 at 7:51 PM

@urban elitist

One of the biggest reasons for the unpopularity of the GOP is because they’ve compromised their principles too many times. The base has had it with these “compromises”. The GOP better make plans on building a party without conservatives.

I for one will vote dem before voting for any GOP candidate that doesn’t support conservative values. It’s my way of getting us to the “reset” point that much quicker.

voiceofreason on January 25, 2013 at 7:51 PM

flawedskull on January 25, 2013 at 7:51 PM

What many, especially the GOP, fail to realize is that anything viewed through the warped prism of the leftist media isn’t representative of reality. Political, financial or otherwise.

voiceofreason on January 25, 2013 at 7:56 PM

People I am sure know my position on this.

Yes, we know. You are an amnesty shill with little regard for reality. Case in point:

All I am saying the idea that Hispanics and Asians are going to be in the pocket of the democrat party like African-Americans is silly and is not backed by history.

William Eaton

Facepalm. Maybe you meant to say “is not backed by my revisionist history”.

xblade on January 25, 2013 at 7:58 PM

The exit polls were taken in Democrat cities and blue states.

The GOP will betray you

True_King on January 25, 2013 at 7:41 PM

I think we need to change your catch phrase. It should be:

The GOP has betrayed you.

I suggest this change because we’re currently in the end game of that betrayal.

DFCtomm on January 25, 2013 at 8:02 PM

You need to visit a sanctuary city like Houston and see how well these 3rd grade educated Mestizos assimilate. You won’t be able to miss them. They’ll be the ones who have turned once nice middle class neighborhoods into trash filled barrios with the streets looking like Juarez flea markets. Make sure you can read spanish too because they sure as he11 don’t speak or read English.

TxAnn56 on January 25, 2013 at 7:39 PM

I am a collector of historical documents and letters and papers, and I can assure you the Irish communities were a blight upon the land if you listened to the average American of the mid-nineteenth century. Same goes for the Italians. Most of their communities were crime ridden, poor, uneducated, dumps.

This is the place [Five Points], these narrow ways, diverging to the right and left, and reeking everywhere with dirt and filth. Such lives as are led here, bear the same fruits here as elsewhere. The coarse and bloated faces at the doors have counterparts at home, and all the wide world over. Debauchery has made the very houses prematurely old. See how the rotten beams are tumbling down, and how the patched and broken windows seem to scowl dimly, like eyes that have been hurt in drunken frays. Many of those pigs live here. Do they ever wonder why their masters walk upright in lieu of going on all-fours? and why they talk instead of grunting?

Charles Dickens
American Notes for General Circulation, 1842.

I am sure Irish Americans don’t view their ancestors that way but that is how the British, like Dickens, and many Americans of British decent viewed them.

William Eaton on January 25, 2013 at 8:02 PM

Before you start grumbling, look: The big cave on amnesty is coming. It’s a fait accompli. Make peace with it.

Get bent.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on January 25, 2013 at 8:03 PM

Facepalm. Maybe you meant to say “is not backed by my revisionist history”.

xblade on January 25, 2013 at 7:58 PM

No it is a demographic fact. Hispanics are marrying outside their race at a 25% clip, mostly to whites. The Hispanic community as we understand it won’t exist in 2050.

William Eaton on January 25, 2013 at 8:06 PM

The big cave on amnesty is coming. It’s a fait accompli. Make peace with it.

I like that. My new name for the GOP: “The Big Cave.”

rrpjr on January 25, 2013 at 8:13 PM

Get bent.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on January 25, 2013 at 8:03 PM

…that!…or get it caught in the crack of a door…before it’s slammed!

KOOLAID2 on January 25, 2013 at 8:14 PM

Make English the official public language, and the bill would sail through the House. Two-thirds of Americans are in favor, and with so many language minorities, the US needs a common official language to bind our citizens. Moreover, most legal immigrants already know English; it is the illegal population who most often do not.

Nexialist on January 25, 2013 at 8:41 PM

What could go wrong?

Well just look at McCain’s picture there. One picture is worth a thousand words and if McCain is for it, it’s got to be bad.

VorDaj on January 25, 2013 at 8:48 PM

And Obama will once again steal Rubio’s thunder next week with his own proposal announcements:

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/white-house-senators-starting-push-immigration

can_con on January 25, 2013 at 5:34 PM

And then I suppose Rubio will get in a bidding war with him.

VorDaj on January 25, 2013 at 8:51 PM

No it is a demographic fact. Hispanics are marrying outside their race at a 25% clip, mostly to whites. The Hispanic community as we understand it won’t exist in 2050.
William Eaton on January 25, 2013 at 8:06 PM

Immigrant groups tend to assimilate into American culture so this isn’t shocking. People also railed against my ancestors who came over from Ireland in the 1850s. And this really needs to get done because the Republican party is starting to look bigoted and nativist. We should have let Dubya resolve it for us in 2007.

And I’ve thought for a while that most of the major 2016 candidates were going to support this. Rubio and Jindal are both first generation Americans and it really isn’t shocking that a WI Republican who worked for Jack Kemp turns out to be squishy on immigration. If anyone ends up on the enforcement only side, it will be a moderate trying to save a sinking campaign. So I guess all those upset about Rubio will be supporting Chris Christie in four three years.

Illinidiva on January 25, 2013 at 8:51 PM

Hispanics are marrying outside their race at a 25% clip, mostly to whites. The Hispanic White/Anglo community as we understand it won’t exist in 2050.

William Eaton on January 25, 2013 at 8:06 PM

VorDaj on January 25, 2013 at 8:54 PM

I am sure Irish Americans don’t view their ancestors that way but that is how the British, like Dickens, and many Americans of British decent viewed them.

William Eaton on January 25, 2013 at 8:02 PM

I view my relatives that way now, and that’s how I know what your imagining will never happen. We can’t assimilate immigrants because we’re too busy de-assimilating existing Americans. The past from your historical documents is dead, and will never be again.

DFCtomm on January 25, 2013 at 8:56 PM

Hispanics are marrying outside their race at a 25% clip, mostly to whites. The Hispanic White/Anglo community as we understand it won’t exist in 2050.

William Eaton on January 25, 2013 at 8:06 PM

VorDaj on January 25, 2013 at 8:54 PM

Winner, winner chicken dinner! Nothing I can add so I’m off, to have that chicken dinner.

DFCtomm on January 25, 2013 at 8:59 PM

If the Republicans cave on this, they will lose control of the House in 2014. The chances in the Senate will be zero. Look GOP, you better get ready and except minority status for a very long time!

F#$% the GOP!The party of betrayal!

jjnco73 on January 25, 2013 at 9:03 PM

VorDaj on January 25, 2013 at 8:54 PM

Hmmm…I hate to tell you this but most white Americans today are more likely to have some German ancestry than British ancestry. Yet most of us speak English and still consider America coming from British roots or at least from British / English traditions.

The fact is White America outnumbers Hispanics by a lot. All this progressive scare tactics of whites being in the minority only happens if no interracial marriage happens and all the minorities join together against whites and the “evil” white American culture. The progressives may dream of such a “utopia” but it is just not in the cards for them. The more likely outcome will be Hispanics integrating and intermarrying into White America. Same with Asians. Over time that will make them more conservative and offspring will be less influenced by “racial politics”. White progressives don’t reproduce, so their line will basically die out. The education system is their only hope for indoctrination and that won’t last forever.

The only group that is consistently influenced by racial politics in large numbers is African-Americans, but even that over time will break down. They will remain a core of the progressive movement for some time however. They are simply a different situation at this time.

William Eaton on January 25, 2013 at 9:13 PM

Winner, winner chicken dinner! Nothing I can add so I’m off, to have that chicken dinner.

DFCtomm on January 25, 2013 at 8:59 PM

I have…see above. Now go eat some crow.

William Eaton on January 25, 2013 at 9:16 PM

I view my relatives that way now, and that’s how I know what your imagining will never happen. We can’t assimilate immigrants because we’re too busy de-assimilating existing Americans. The past from your historical documents is dead, and will never be again.

DFCtomm on January 25, 2013 at 8:56 PM

America has died so many times before according to people of that time and yet it is still hear. Assimilation is happening now, but it takes time like everything else. If the Republicans would spend some some time working in the Hispanic and Asian community (ignore the African-American and Jewish communities for now) building networks, organizing, etc. it would start to produce better results. We don’t need majorities right now either, we just need large minorities of those populations. That way when California at last takes a complete dive, which it will do, and progressives and democrats will be at a time of extreme weakness, a stable of Hispanic Republicans will be able to take advantage, to divide and conquer. Nothing like failure to turn people against an idea.

See we need to plan for the future.

William Eaton on January 25, 2013 at 9:29 PM

William Eaton on January 25, 2013 at 9:29 PM

Would you mind sharing with us where you live?

mrsmwp on January 25, 2013 at 9:37 PM

I thought they wanted to stop being the Stupid Party.

Ukiah on January 25, 2013 at 7:38 PM

They remind me of this more often than not.

Myron Falwell on January 25, 2013 at 9:44 PM

Well, we had a chance to take care of many of the same issues back when bush was president and we pissed on him. Now we get what we deserve.

tomas on January 25, 2013 at 9:45 PM

What do you mean WE? Does that include the 23 mil unemployed American citizens?

Hera on January 25, 2013 at 9:47 PM

We had a chance to control the situation…It may have sucked but now we are weak. We fought Bush harder than the Obama.

tomas on January 25, 2013 at 9:51 PM

Well, we had a chance to take care of many of the same issues back when bush was president and we pissed on him. Now we get what we deserve.

tomas on January 25, 2013 at 9:45 PM

The thing is, Bush never offered a reasonable plan for practical border security.

Proposing a very watered-down Dem-lite rendition of amnesty (under the guise of “comprehensive immigration reform”) doesn’t count… that would have failed like this plan will fail.

Myron Falwell on January 25, 2013 at 9:54 PM

What could go wrong?

Well just look at McCain’s picture there. One picture is worth a thousand words and if McCain is for it, it’s got to be bad.

VorDaj on January 25, 2013 at 8:48 PM

To be fair, McCant’s just not that photogenic to begin with.

Myron Falwell on January 25, 2013 at 9:58 PM

A plan that will pass and it will be controlled by the dems and we will never get the votes we need. That may not be justice and it may not be fair, but we should have worked harder with Bush on this and SS.

He worked on just he right things and was our last chance at both.

tomas on January 25, 2013 at 9:59 PM

Since they’re going to do this anyways (sigh!), the very least they can do is declare English the official language of the United States and stop all this “Press 1 for English” B.S.

SouthernGent on January 25, 2013 at 10:10 PM

A plan that will pass and it will be controlled by the dems and we will never get the votes we need. That may not be justice and it may not be fair, but we should have worked harder with Bush on this and SS.

He worked on just he right things and was our last chance at both.

tomas on January 25, 2013 at 9:59 PM

Bush’s failing was that he presented his plan by using Democrat terminology. It lead to a conservative crackup of the GOP because conservatives wanted NONE of the failed ideas he was offering.

Mind you, this happened at the same time his failed attempt to promote Harriet Myers to a SOTUS justice took place, and within the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina. He came off as totally tone-deaf and hostile to conservatives not long after he CAMPAIGNED AS ONE.

Look, I voted for Bush twice, but even I knew when he was trying to act like a Dem or attempting to steal their agenda, and that never sat well with me. It never sat well with a whole lot of people. Add to that the relentless drumbeat of hatred and incendiary rhetoric from the MSM and the Dems and you get the perfect storm.

Myron Falwell on January 25, 2013 at 10:12 PM

Bush saw the writing on the wall. He new it was a tenuous situation at best. I’m sorry conservatives keep getting their feelings hurt.

tomas on January 25, 2013 at 10:15 PM

Bush saw the writing on the wall. He new it was a tenuous situation at best. I’m sorry conservatives keep getting their feelings hurt.

tomas on January 25, 2013 at 10:15 PM

You don’t get it. WE don’t get “hurt feelings.” That’s for the wusses like Speaker BOHICA and all the loser RINOs who use their bravado to force US out.

A real conservative doesn’t cry when things don’t go our way. We fight and don’t stop. Something the loser RINOs need to learn for once.

Myron Falwell on January 25, 2013 at 10:18 PM

There is a very significant issue of the violation of American citizen’s human rights that is being ignored in this matter.

This “path to Democrat hegemony” will officially stamp out the rights of American citizens as a nation of people to determine for ourselves our society, our politics, and our economy free from massive undue influences of tens of millions of foreign nationals living here in violation of our laws and our will.

What we have is one political faction packing the political process with illegal foreign nationals to assure votes go a certain way in the future – and that is exactly the kind of thing that happens in unstable 3rd world countries…

This is not supposed to happen to Americans, but apparently it is a “fait accompli”.

DrDeano on January 25, 2013 at 10:21 PM

The demographics story is a lie.

In the last four years alone, the Hispanic birth rate has dropped 26%. Among primarily Mexican-Americans and Mexican immigrants, both of whom make up the biggest bloc of hispanics in this country, by far.

When you get in bed with the left, you will be destroyed. Ask the black people. They were 12% of the population in 2000, 11% in 2010. Their demographic collapse is coming sooner than later.

I guess though, it’s easier to blame demographics than to admit failure in everything from ‘conservative’ media and punditry to crap candidates like the unprincipled douche from Mass.

avgjo on January 25, 2013 at 10:25 PM

Bush was put out front by Harry Reid to give a bipartisan face to amnesty. It would have passed had illegals not been so brazen as to march in the streets under Mexican flags demanding their “rights”. Those marches enraged citizens and made immigration “reform” impossible to pass.

Hera on January 25, 2013 at 10:30 PM

So, tonight on Hannity’s show.

He has these guys on telling the story of the richest area of the U.S. (as rich as say the Saudi Oil tick place) 7 of the wealthest areas of the U.S. right there around D.C. town.

How the R’s and D’s work it together with the enabler coprs of lobbist and law firms, pr firms ect. all getting rich off the ever larger National Goverment budget and spending.

This lust for these new citizens is driven by the two party evil money cult in D.C.’s need for more tax payers to pull in more cash to spend and not get caught $5 trillion a year with to much spending.

They are trying to hide their evil by covering it up with the tax money they will steal from these new wage/vote slaves from South America.

Two Party Evil Money Cult

Hannity called it “Boom Town”

same slice of the lust for our gold and liberty

On McCain, “no fool like an old fool”!

APACHEWHOKNOWS on January 25, 2013 at 10:35 PM

America has died so many times before according to people of that time and yet it is still hear. Assimilation is happening now, but it takes time like everything else.

William Eaton on January 25, 2013 at 9:29 PM

We allow in a million a year legally, so where are we going to get that time to assimilate those numbers? Yes America has died many times in the past, however nothing lasts forever, so eventually the doomsayers will be right. I’m telling you that time has come.

DFCtomm on January 25, 2013 at 10:42 PM

First: There will be no “perfect” immigration bill.

Second: Get a bill both Rubio and Cruz can live with.

Third: Take immigration off the table for ’14 & ’16.

Lastly: Remind Hispanics liberal policies and lack of respect for the rule of law is what they ran from.

Tater Salad on January 25, 2013 at 10:48 PM

If you look at History it will tell you how Rome fell, how the Apache lost their homeland in the now American Southwest.

You America are the ones who can read the History of this and know the final result of unlimited illegal/legal immigration.

Or if you care to stop the chatter for one long moment and look around at the local 7-11 on any work day regard who is there gasing up and buying stuff for lunch.

Or check out the parking lot of your local Homedepo, ect.

They are here and American is useing them as wage slaves.

They are here and the Democrats are using them as their new vote slaves to add to the black vote slaves they have in their gulags already.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on January 25, 2013 at 10:52 PM

And finally…can we now deport McCain??

Sherman1864 on January 25, 2013 at 10:54 PM

You America, are the new Apache and they come for your land and your gold now.

The Apache fought for 300 years before they were over run.

How long and how hard will you fight?

APACHEWHOKNOWS on January 25, 2013 at 10:55 PM

APACHEWHOKNOWS on January 25, 2013 at 10:52 PM

A prophet among us!!

Sherman1864 on January 25, 2013 at 10:55 PM

This lust for these new citizens is driven by the two party evil money cult in D.C.’s need for more tax payers to pull in more cash to spend and not get caught $5 trillion a year with to much spending.

Hannity called it “Boom Town”

same slice of the lust for our gold and liberty

On McCain, “no fool like an old fool”!

APACHEWHOKNOWS on January 25, 2013 at 10:35 PM

Couple of reasons why they want the illegals:

The Dems want the votes, and the GOP wants the cheap labor for their small business base, but what you never hear anybody talk about is the boost to GDP that they both want. The easiest way to growth is simply to reproduce, but Americans can’t be bothered to have kids any more so we simply import them. Yeah, Virginia we have out sourced reproduction. It’s a cheap way to try to grow our way out of our economic woes, but this time it’s different…in a bad way.

DFCtomm on January 25, 2013 at 10:56 PM

Tater Salad on January 25, 2013 at 10:48 PM

First: Correct.

Second: Won’t happen. Any amnesty that Rubio supports will be a Dem-supported bill – of which he will try to co-opt for political gain – that Cruz won’t be able to stop. Cruz’ vote won’t be needed or be necessary, and they know it. However, it will severely weaken Rubio’s chances for the 2016 nomination, if not ruin them completely. Rand Paul’s recent actions haven’t come by accident.

Third: Won’t happen. Watch as Dems will club any opponents with accusations that they are “xenophobic Hispanic-hating RAAAAAAAAACIIIIIIIIIIISTS.” They successfully used the club of Sandra Fluke against all opponents last year (painting them as Neatherthal-ish birth control confiscators), so there is precedent.

Lastly: As if the GOP was THAT smart…

Myron Falwell on January 25, 2013 at 11:04 PM

Amnesty then democrat demographic supremacy then gun confiscation, if not now, soon. This will not end well.

voiceofreason on January 25, 2013 at 11:10 PM

The problem with conservatives has always been that they get snookered by the Republican traitors. Think about it, McCain is the quintessential Quisling and he is for global war for democracy. How likely is it that when all his other ideas are insane, that one is sane?
McShame is an Invade the World, Invite the World globalist. He is against protecting borders at home, and for invading any and every country that can be invaded in his global jihad for ‘democracy.’
Its time to do the opposite. Let the world care for itself, and let us protect our own borders. But of course Allah would think that’s ‘extremist’ and we’d be better off caving continuously to the leftist assault. Enough!

flawedskull on January 25, 2013 at 11:13 PM

Would you mind sharing with us where you live?

mrsmwp on January 25, 2013 at 9:37 PM

Gladly. I live in the Communist Republic of Maryland, but will move back to the home of my ancestors..either West Virginia or Kentucky at some point. The Hispanics who live in Maryland are actually the hardest working group of people who live here, with exceptions to the folks who live in Western Maryland. Hispanics are not the problem in this state, the federal employees and Montgomery County progressives (who are mostly white) are.

William Eaton on January 25, 2013 at 11:18 PM

APACHEWHOKNOWS on January 25, 2013 at 10:52 PM

You are exactly correct…hope for our land, our future, will depend on our nations populace to see through and determine what is the direction, we, as a country will take. So far we suck…which means WE, as a conservative group need to figure out how in the he!! to convince the libtards/low…and I mean really LOW information voters, what is honestly best for our country…but then there is always the LSM…I wish we could prosecute them for the lies they spew! I hope and pray we can somehow get a much better handle on this and put us back on the road to prosperity.

OldWeaselKeeper on January 25, 2013 at 11:20 PM

Securing the borders would be in the Amnesty bill?
How many times have we heard that before?
Believe it, & I’ve got an acre on the Moon to sell ya.
Sure those amnesty/Demon voters will vote liberal.
But we have a 1 party system now, so what difference would it make?

Belle on January 25, 2013 at 11:40 PM

Also let me just say if I was running things for the GOP, which obviously I am not, I would have tied some other issue to immigration reform, like voter/election reform and entitlement reform for all immigrants.

In other words we should all have voter id cards set up by Visa or Master Card. If Social Security lets people withdrawal their money from ATM machines using a government issued card from Master Card, why can’t that be the same for voting. No need to have an photo id, etc. All the voter machines should also be run by Master Card or Visa as well and therefore be standardized across the country. This would also allow for voting via the internet (after all many of us do banking online now, etc.). Each card would be limited to one voting chance per election cycle which should help fight election fraud. Also no new immigrants should get any entitlements for the first 10-15 years in America. That should limit the enticements of people coming here to get entitlements. Maybe limits on anchor babies. Etc. You know things like that. If the democrats kill that it is on them.

My point is kicking illegal immigrants around who are trying to make their lives better, and yes most people who do come here come to make their lives better, is not a good move politically. I know they are breaking the law, but this is about politics and public image. Most people think if they were in their situation they would do the same thing. That is why “Nativism” as a political movement has failed throughout American history.

There are other ways to limit illegal immigrants arriving and current numbers in the country without looking like Nativist. You can go after the employers harder, you can limit entitlements to all immigrants, you can produce strong voter id laws (which is needed not just for illegals but for Americans living in our major cities like Chicago), you can create pathways to citizenship that are so hard that only a few will make it through (which is basically the Rubio plan).

You have to use indirect strategies for what you want sometimes and immigration is one of those. Democrats always use indirect strategies, it is time conservatives learn to use them. But stop fretting over demographics. Seventy years ago if someone told you the south would vote mostly for the GOP people would have thought you insane. The White South was supposed to be Democratic forever…

William Eaton on January 25, 2013 at 11:45 PM

Just to prove my point about demographics and how people vote. FDR, a socialist, never lost a single southern state from 1932 to 1944. Not one…

Lets look at the 1940 election for FDR (his % vote):

South Carolina: 95.63%
Texas: 80.92%
Mississippi: 95.70%
Arkansas: 79.02%
Alabama: 85.22%
Georgia: 84.85%
North Carolina: 74.03%
Virginia: 68.08%
Tennessee: 67.25%
Kentucky: 57.44%
West Virginia: 57.10%
Missouri: 52.27%
Florida: 74.01%

FDR, a hero of Obama, the man who basically created the entitlement state we live in, the guy who was trying to pack the courts with his stiffs, the man who had an outright communist in Henry Wallace as a VP, the man who decided to break Washington’s rule never to run more than two times was overwhelming the choice of the white south!

We have no idea what will happen 25 years from now, much less 50 or 70 years from now.

William Eaton on January 26, 2013 at 12:05 AM

Go ahead GOP. Make your deal with the devil because you want to do a favor for your buddies in the business lobby. They are making a neat and tidy death bed for conservatism by giving socialist-prone voters amnesty. And don’t be fooled. There will be further illegal immigration and more amnesties to come. You will still continue to lose elections. No matter how much you pander, you will never out pander the race-baiting democrats.

Jerry Bear on January 26, 2013 at 12:10 AM

Here’s some SCIENCEE!! (TM) for you
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/ssqu.12000/abstract

Issue Voting and Immigration: Do Restrictionist Policies Cost Congressional Republicans Votes?

Results: This analysis found little evidence suggesting that Latino voters are less likely to support Republican incumbents with anti-immigration records. There was evidence suggesting that vote choice among non-Hispanic white was influenced by incumbent records on immigration, but the effect varied according to the respondent’s own views on immigration.

Conclusion: This study found no evidence that incumbent Republicans could increase their share of the Latino vote by embracing less restrictive immigration policies. In fact, doing so may cost them votes among non-Hispanic whites.

Allah, its time to apologize. You have been carrying water for the leftist attack machine on this issue for a while now. It’s okay to disagree with conservatives, but please don’t make false arguments about inevitability.

NO SURRENDER

flawedskull on January 26, 2013 at 12:32 AM

We have no idea what will happen 25 years from now, much less 50 or 70 years from now.

William Eaton on January 26, 2013 at 12:05 AM

You’re as bad as I am. I’m saying it’s the end of the world as we know it, and you’re saying it’s going to all be fine. Why don’t you heed your own advice and admit you don’t know anymore than anybody else how this will turn out.

DFCtomm on January 26, 2013 at 12:50 AM

Those who are already betraying their oath of office to defend America and the Constitution and enforce its laws now want another chance to show their good intentions by making up still more laws they will not uphold or enforce.

Screw these lying treasonous scumbags, one and all.

No amnesty.

No legalization for lawbreakers who invaded the country.

No to all who support this treachery and destruction of the nation.

profitsbeard on January 26, 2013 at 1:43 AM

Democrats and immigration advocates fear that approach could result in wait-times stretching for decades, creating a class of permanent legal residents for whom the benefits of citizenship appear unattainable. They have pushed to create new pathways to citizenship specifically available to those who achieve legal residency as part a reform effort.

Yeah, well this speaks volumes about the true motive of Democrats and these so-called “immigration advocates.” It’s all about creating more Democrat voters, nothing more. Believe me, illegal immigrants are not that desperate to become citizens. “Permanent legal residency” is #1 on their agenda. Once they have that, they could not care less if they don’t get their citizenship for years. They just want to come out of the shadows, win the right to apply for legal jobs, get driver’s licenses, win the right to travel to and fro their home countries, and all the other benefits that come with having a green card.

I am currently here on a green card. While I would jump at the chance of becoming a US citizen, it’s still a long way off and to be honest it’s not that important to me in terms of my day to day life. I just want to live here, work, pay my taxes and live my life. That’s exactly what illegals want too. But Democrats want more than that. They want their votes.

Sharke on January 26, 2013 at 1:46 AM

We need to let them know that they will not ever live in peace should they pass Amnesty.

We’ll be a nation of Anton Chigurhs hounding them until their end.

sartana on January 25, 2013 at 7:19 PM

Yeah that’s really going to work out well for ya.

Sharke on January 26, 2013 at 1:48 AM

Eventually become citizens? Lots of questions, like, what will the punishment be first-for breaking our entry laws (depriving others who wait) and will they first be fully prosecuted to straighten out the mess if they obtained and used false ID etc.

I also support a long multiple years period before they may vote–and perhaps a separate voting class for a period(half a vote) to provide dissincentive to the political class who will do anything to get their vote.

Then there’s that question of, if they broke our laws, do they have a record of lawbreaking back home? If so, that must first be paid…

Make it fair and much of the problem may just voluntarily go away.
But then, our left wants the felon vote badly, so crime is merely an indicator of a good potential loyal Democrat.

Don L on January 26, 2013 at 5:40 AM

However, it will severely weaken Rubio’s chances for the 2016 nomination, if not ruin them completely. Rand Paul’s recent actions haven’t come by accident.

Rand Paul is a libertarian who has made pro-reform noises in the past. If he suddenly starts spouting off about illegal immigration and self-deportation, then he has officially jumped the shark. The Ryan-Rubio détente on immigration is probably going to stick. It is a good thing to get this off the table now so this isn’t an issue in 2016.

My point is kicking illegal immigrants around who are trying to make their lives better, and yes most people who do come here come to make their lives better, is not a good move politically. I know they are breaking the law, but this is about politics and public image.

Rubio’s point about illegal immigration was a good one. It is hard to talk about education and opportunity to a community when they think that you want to deport Nana. Rubio’s strong selling point is that he comes from a similar cultural background and had a similar upbringing to many first generation Latinos.. “My dad worked at the back of the room..” I have other huge qualms about a Rubio candidacy, but he does have upside potential.

Illinidiva on January 26, 2013 at 6:29 AM

Is there a way to sneak someone from Europe through Mexico and gain special status as an illegal to avoid the endless “legal” waiting period?

Instead of dealing with the BS paper work of legal immigration, is via Mexico a viable means of ultimately getting amnesty?

rickyricardo on January 26, 2013 at 6:38 AM

The mistake is conflating politics with illegal activity.

Let’s be clear; while other people stood in line to obtain citizenship, illegal immigrants cut the line. That is the genesis of the phrase “illegal immigrants”.

There are laws against what was their first act in this country- and they knew it. So they knowingly broke the law and in the process subverted legal immigrants and other folks for jobs or benefits.

Illegal immigrants are also largely recipients of benefits from our social safety net. A safety net, which by the way is struggling financially partially because people who never paid into it, or were anticipated to use it, are gratuitously tapping it. Just ask your local hospital or tangentially- schools. That is before we get to the significant law enforcement problems they present. Period. Full stop. There is no way to sugarcoat it.

That’s not racist, angry or diabolical in any way. They are statements of fact.

So I don’t support the premise that Hispanics, especially those who have gone through the legal immigration process, agree in totality or largely with what I’ve articulated. They’ve worked hard to become good citizens and instilled those qualities in their children. They’ve become productive members of our society and communities- and what’s their reward? They watch some other person who wasn’t as principled reap the same benefits.

Ultimately the problem is we’ve let this gone on too long. So we do have a problem which needs to be resolved. Politically, Democrats don’t want to resolve this in any meaningful way. That’s because they have used this issue to falsely suggest Republicans are racists or xenophobes- and if polling is to be believed, many immigrant groups largely believe it.

So I believe Rubio’s approach attempts to resolve this both legally and politically. It ultimately seeks to hold citizenship as something more easily attained legally- which is why Democrats are fighting that part viciously. It allows Republicans to finally focus and make the principled argument that everyone can understand by making clear distinctions between legal and illegal activity.

Sorry I went on too long…

Marcus Traianus on January 26, 2013 at 6:50 AM

Quote(s) of the Thread (QOTT):
 

Take a litmus test away from the Democrats and, by the way, do the right thing.
 
urban elitist on January 25, 2013 at 7:10 PM

You do realize how many years it will take for these guys to become citizens by any path that can pass the House, right, and how few will actually do so? And how few legal Hispanics vote, anyway?
 
urban elitist on January 25, 2013 at 7:28 PM

 
The potential citizens already don’t respect our laws. This is unavoidable and even admitted outright,
 

few legal Hispanics

 
(love how you added the racial stereotype, btw)
 
and the enormous majority will be below-average civic contributors at best when they are citizens,
 

And how few legal Hispanics vote, anyway?

 
but, darnit, it’s the right thing to do for our nation:
 

and, by the way, do the right thing.

 
How about a big round of applause for our winner!

rogerb on January 26, 2013 at 7:24 AM

aye carumba…

cmsinaz on January 26, 2013 at 7:43 AM

I would take legalization (without citizenship) if the kill the anchor baby loophole.

rgranger on January 26, 2013 at 7:47 AM

I would take legalization (without citizenship) if the kill the anchor baby loophole.

rgranger on January 26, 2013 at 7:47 AM

So would I. The idea that you’re automatically a citizen just because your illiterate peasant mother managed to slither around the border patrol and squat you out on US soil is an INSULT to our nation.

Send mom and baby home after taking photos and fingerprints to be put in a file of “people who are to be refused citizenship for life”. Watch the legal route suddenly get a lot more popular.

MelonCollie on January 26, 2013 at 8:12 AM

One thing I like about Rubios drive for smaller bills, there’s less of a chance of Democrats hiding something in them. They also have the habit of putting in 3 good things and 2 bad things and, if you don’t pass the whole thing you don’t like the good things.

Rubio is pretty sharp and he can win this if he can convince the American people that his way will actually solve the problems. The Democrats are really good at “let’s do this now and we deal with the flaws later” and not too good at writing bills that work.

bflat879 on January 26, 2013 at 8:41 AM

rogerb on January 26, 2013 at 7:24 AM

Hard working people willing to risk a great deal to build a better life. Sounds like potential entrepreneurs, to me. Besides, if we’re getting all strict about the law, I guess everyone whose ever smoked pot or paid cash to avoid sales tax is a bad citizen, too.

Hispanic voting rate is a statistic, not a stereotype.

and the enormous majority will be below-average civic contributors at best when they are citizens,

That’s a stereotype, and a racist one at that. The same thing that was said of my poor Irish ancestors.

urban elitist on January 26, 2013 at 8:47 AM

One thing I like about Rubios drive for smaller bills, there’s less of a chance of Democrats hiding something in them. They also have the habit of putting in 3 good things and 2 bad things and, if you don’t pass the whole thing you don’t like the good things.

Rubio is pretty sharp and he can win this if he can convince the American people that his way will actually solve the problems. The Democrats are really good at “let’s do this now and we deal with the flaws later” and not too good at writing bills that work.

bflat879 on January 26, 2013 at 8:41 AM

Democrats won’t go for the smaller bill arrangement because they know that Republicans will pass the bills they want and renege on their support for the other bills. It’s got to be all or nothing.

urban elitist on January 26, 2013 at 8:49 AM

Oh no . . . not McCain again.

rplat on January 26, 2013 at 9:08 AM

Democrats won’t go for the smaller bill arrangement because they know that Republicans will pass the bills they want and renege on their support for the other bills. It’s got to be all or nothing.

urban elitist on January 26, 2013 at 8:49 AM

Since it is in Rubio’s great, great interest to get this done, all the tiny bills would get passed. It might just be easier for the House to swallow and therefore be more conservative. Also, ten Rubio 2016 Presidential Campaign Acts are better than one; they allow Rubio more TV time.

As for the immigration debate itself, I really think that a lot of the illegals just want work permits, which isn’t a bad thing. It reminds me a lot of Europe and the Polish plumbers. Why not just give them the work permits that they want? I do think that citizenship has to be open to them, but if it is a long (20 year plus) process, many will just be content with the work permits.

Illinidiva on January 26, 2013 at 9:41 AM

That’s a stereotype, and a racist one at that. The same thing that was said of my poor Irish ancestors.

urban elitist on January 26, 2013 at 8:47 AM

That’s reality you imbecile.

Your ‘poor Irish ancestors’, which I highly doubt is true, did not sneak over the border like thieves in the night nor come specifically to get on welfare.

MelonCollie on January 26, 2013 at 9:57 AM

Wait! The GOP which lost badly because of “missing” turnout from its unmotivated base in 2012 now wants to antagonize a large segment of that base by going for amnesty with resultant border flooding of new next wave “citizens” to follow? Yah, those folks will vote Republican because they want govt spending reduced. Sure they will. Its not the Stupid Party; it’s the Suicide Party.

The RINOs are like Charlie Brown with Lucy pulling away the football. They keep trying to please the MSM and gain approbation followed by votes by going Dem Lite but every time they do in hopes of success, the MSM and Dems pull away the football. Insanity.

philw1776 on January 26, 2013 at 10:07 AM

Since it is in Rubio’s great, great interest to get this done, all the tiny bills would get passed. It might just be easier for the House to swallow and therefore be more conservative. Also, ten Rubio 2016 Presidential Campaign Acts are better than one; they allow Rubio more TV time.

As for the immigration debate itself, I really think that a lot of the illegals just want work permits, which isn’t a bad thing. It reminds me a lot of Europe and the Polish plumbers. Why not just give them the work permits that they want? I do think that citizenship has to be open to them, but if it is a long (20 year plus) process, many will just be content with the work permits.

Illinidiva on January 26, 2013 at 9:41 AM

I think Rubio/the Senate could get it done. Boehner has no control over his troops, though.

I agree with your second paragraph, and suspect that many illegals — especially in the agricultural arena — would be happy to work none months and then go back to their village for three, if they knew they could return the following year.

That’s reality you imbecile.

Your ‘poor Irish ancestors’, which I highly doubt is true, did not sneak over the border like thieves in the night nor come specifically to get on welfare.

MelonCollie on January 26, 2013 at 9:57 AM

Yeah — it would be so rare for someone to have poor Irish ancestors in this country. I must be making it up.

I care not a whit whether today’s immigrants snuck in. It shows gumption. If I was a poor Mexican peasant I’d be over the fence, too.

As for “just to get on welfare:” racist.

urban elitist on January 26, 2013 at 10:16 AM

Yah, those folks will vote Republican because they want govt spending reduced. Sure they will. Its not the Stupid Party; it’s the Suicide Party.

philw1776 on January 26, 2013 at 10:07 AM

And all the 3rd grade educated illegals that mow lawns are really concerned about capital gains taxes instead of getting inebriated on Friday nights.

TxAnn56 on January 26, 2013 at 10:39 AM

Good leaders know you don’t have to win every battle to win a war. Conservatives have forgotten that. We have gotten like Unions. Slow and ponderous.

tomas on January 26, 2013 at 10:48 AM

Go ahead GOP. Make your deal with the devil because you want to do a favor for your buddies in the business lobby. They are making a neat and tidy death bed for conservatism by giving socialist-prone voters amnesty. And don’t be fooled. There will be further illegal immigration and more amnesties to come. You will still continue to lose elections. No matter how much you pander, you will never out pander the race-baiting democrats.

Jerry Bear on January 26, 2013 at 12:10 AM

You spew the liberal talking points quite well. However both parties are owned by big business and no one has given more to big business than the zero currently in the White House. His bailouts of banks and GM dwarf anything ever done by republicans. Your party coddles big business and convinces those on the lower end of the financial spectrum that he’s taking care of them. All the while raping the middle class which is the engine that moves this country forward. What you and your party fail to realize is that the parasite eventually dies after killing the host. Which is what is happening before your very eyes. So let’s go ahead and and enlarge the parasite by 20 million illegal and very needy aliens.

voiceofreason on January 26, 2013 at 10:56 AM

McCain needs to fade away…… and quickly, before he screws everybody up.

ultracon on January 26, 2013 at 11:16 AM

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