Pyonyang to Seoul: Sanctions mean war

posted at 10:01 am on January 25, 2013 by Ed Morrissey

A day after explicitly threatening the US with its missile and nuke program, North Korea turned its rhetorical sights south.  Pyongyang warned South Korea that cooperation in the new round of sanctions after its previous missile test would prompt “strong physical countermeasures,” and would amount to a “declaration of war”:

North Korea continued its barrage of fiery rhetoric Friday, warning South Korea of “strong physical countermeasures” if Seoul takes part in new U.N. sanctions aimed at punishing Pyongyang for a December rocket launch.

“Sanctions mean war and a declaration of war against us,” the Committee for Peaceful Unification of the Fatherland said in a statement carried by North Korea’s official Korean Central News Agency.

Meanwhile, a representative for South Korea’s new president said she would not tolerate North Korean provocations, but would continue to push for dialogue with Pyongyang. A special envoy to President-elect Park Geun-hye made the remarks just hours after the North’s top governing body declared it would continue atomic tests and rocket launches.

The Associated Press believes that the threats are “overblown”:

In the face of international condemnation, North Korea can usually be counted on for such flights of rhetorical pique. In recent years it threatened to turn South Korea into a “sea of fire,” and to wage a “sacred war” against its enemies.

If the past is any indication, its threats of war are overblown. But the chances it will conduct another nuclear test are high. And it is gaining ground in its missile program, experts say, though still a long way from seriously threatening the U.S. mainland.

“It’s not the first time they’ve made a similar threat of war,” said Ryoo Kihl-jae, a professor at the University of North Korean Studies in Seoul. “What’s more serious than the probability of an attack on South Korea is that of a nuclear test. I see very slim chances of North Korea following through with its threat of war.”

Although North Korea’s leadership is undeniably concerned that it might be attacked or bullied by outside powers, the tough talk is mainly an attempt to bolster its bargaining position in diplomatic negotiations.

That’s certainly been the case so far.  Pyongyang usually ramps up the rhetoric when either their internal political situation becomes shaky or they desperately need food and fuel supplies.  It’s winter, and it’s not too difficult to imagine that North Korea would be in desperate need of both at the moment, and may be applying pressure to get the UN and the Pacific Rim to back off of sanctions and give the DRPK some humanitarian aid.

Still, that’s an easy conclusion to reach from this far away.  ABC News reports from Seoul that they’re understandably a little more concerned that the rhetoric may be reality:

The Kim regime may be still crying wolf, but if they manage to put a nuke on a missile that can actually hit a target, that may change quickly. And they are progressing toward that capability, slowly as Gloria Riviera reports, but demonstrably. Even China seems to be taking this more seriously than in the past, threatening to cut aid to its client state if Kim doesn’t dial it down and return to the six-party talks. Sooner or later, the Kims will stop crying wolf and become the wolf if left unchecked.


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UN out of US, US out of UN.

Rebar on May 14, 2013 at 8:46 PM

“This is like putting Jack the Ripper in charge of a women’s shelter.”

Leave Kermit Gosnell out of this.

Happy Nomad on May 14, 2013 at 8:46 PM

It’s like having Gosnell babysitting your kids..
It’s like Al Qaeda running security for our Consultants..
It’s like have Barrack Obama Presiding over The United States..

Electrongod on May 14, 2013 at 8:47 PM

The three biggest jokes in the world are the Nobel committee,green energy and the U.N.

NeoKong on May 14, 2013 at 8:48 PM

I have an idea. Quit the U.N. Charge these flea bags an exhorbitant rent in order to continue to use the building.

justltl on May 14, 2013 at 8:48 PM

Stop.UN.Funding>now.

Evict.UN.From.USA.

ladyingray on May 14, 2013 at 8:49 PM

5 billion!

That is a lot of Whitehouse tours that wouldn’t get cancelled

Ditkaca on May 14, 2013 at 8:50 PM

Every year, the oh-so-august body of international leaders at the United Nations put on a Conference on Disarmament — “established in 1979 as the single multilateral disarmament negotiating forum of the international community” — which has in the past has produced international treaties on nuclear non-proliferation, chemical-weapons prohibitions, and etcetera.

Which means that every year since the waning days of the Carter administration a bunch of diplomats have gotten together and accomplished absolutely nothing of value to the world. Declarations that gather dust. Treaties never ratified by the nations of the international community that matter. Etc.

So for 34 years of wasting the world’s time. Congrats or something. That Iran is presiding says all that one needs to know about the UN as an international organization.

Happy Nomad on May 14, 2013 at 8:52 PM

The UN should move to Oslo.

Jocundus on May 14, 2013 at 8:55 PM

Aw, come on guys – fair suck o’ the sav! The UN is merely trying to drag the Iranians into the eighth century.

OldEnglish on May 14, 2013 at 8:57 PM

why is it that we are devoting more than five billions dollars of taxpayer money this year alone into this extended showcase of mediocrity?

Because when a certain rat-eared coward leaves DC he has higher aspirations. Secretary General of an organization already so corrupt he will be mocked as the Mother Teresa of Turtle Bay.

Happy Nomad on May 14, 2013 at 8:57 PM

The UN should never have existed. It cannot even stand theoretical scrutiny, let alone the twisted, unnatural entity it is in actuality. No one but the dimmest among us would even think that a peerless, competitionless, empowered entity should ever exist. It is an abomination – even in theory, as anyone with even a passing familiarity with evolutionary theory, capitalist theory, or just plain common sense knows.

The UN must be put to sleep. It’s well past time. It came to be in the wake of WWII as a reaction to the great trauma of the war – much like the idiotic name given to WWI in the same traumatic aftermath, as “THE War to End ALL Wars” … again, as if anyone with a brain thought that could possibly be true.

The UN was kept powerless and constrained during the Cold War, as reality kept it from having any real power, but the minute the USSR fell the UN started being truly empowered and took off on its grotesque and destructive growth – as any peerless, competitionless empowered entity is guaranteed to do.

End the UN and shun any idiot who supports it, since such a dolt is too stupid to be taken seriously in public and too dangerous to be allowed any power, at all.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on May 14, 2013 at 8:58 PM

Who cares? The UN is about as important as a prom committee. So what if they let Iran hire the DJ?

EricW on May 14, 2013 at 8:59 PM

The UN should move to Oslo.

Jocundus on May 14, 2013 at 8:55 PM

I disagree. If not a rotational thing where the diplomats have to make new arrangements every few years, put the UN HQ in a place much closer to where the need is. Yemen or the Sudan comes to mind. They have become far too comfortable in Vienna, Geneva, and New York.

Happy Nomad on May 14, 2013 at 9:00 PM

Screw IRAN and all the other Muslim countries who refuse to condemn Islamic terrorism.

TX-96 on May 14, 2013 at 9:01 PM

What else would we expect from the UN? And why do we keep funding it, even when GOP is in the WH?

Give us a president and Congress with spine, let them cut off our UN funding for four years, and let’s see what happens.

petefrt on May 14, 2013 at 9:03 PM

Who cares? The UN is about as important as a prom committee. So what if they let Iran hire the DJ?

EricW on May 14, 2013 at 8:59 PM

I’ve related this story before so, for the regulars, I am not trying to be redundant. When I took a tour of the UN (largely for intrest in the architecture) the propaganda experience was excruciating. Long corridors of displays about mine warfare and hunger- and all the good things the UN does with other organization’s and nations’ money.

We got to a particular point in the tour and were told that we had to stay in the public spaces because the UN is a working organization. My snort was not totally supressed.

Happy Nomad on May 14, 2013 at 9:04 PM

Didn’t they also put Syria in charge of the human rights council several years ago?

/That or another totalitarian regime.

AZfederalist on May 14, 2013 at 9:08 PM

Oh, lovely: Iran to preside over United Nations arms-control forum later this month

..so that means JugEars will send flowers?

KOOLAID2 on May 14, 2013 at 9:09 PM

The UN should move to Oslo.

Jocundus on May 14, 2013 at 8:55 PM

I disagree. If not a rotational thing where the diplomats have to make new arrangements every few years, put the UN HQ in a place much closer to where the need is. Yemen or the Sudan comes to mind. They have become far too comfortable in Vienna, Geneva, and New York.

Happy Nomad on May 14, 2013 at 9:00 PM

…I think Somalia would be a better choice!

KOOLAID2 on May 14, 2013 at 9:11 PM

get that un out of the us…

ridiculous

cmsinaz on May 14, 2013 at 9:17 PM

They remind me of the cantina scene from Star Wars IV.
“You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy”

kurtzz3 on May 14, 2013 at 9:19 PM

I’ve related this story before so, for the regulars, I am not trying to be redundant. When I took a tour of the UN (largely for intrest in the architecture) the propaganda experience was excruciating. Long corridors of displays about mine warfare and hunger- and all the good things the UN does with other organization’s and nations’ money…
 
Happy Nomad on May 14, 2013 at 9:04 PM

 
The comedy for me was listening to a missionary friend tell about a massive delivery of powdered milk from the UN to poor people in Africa, and how no one bothered to research that well over half (70% or more?) of the natives were lactose intolerant.
 
He said they used it as whitewash. Entire villages were suddenly white. All the nutrition and money wasted because the basics of the people they were “helping” were absolutely foreign to the people making the decisions.
 
You know, now that I think about it, it’s essentially the same mindset as most (D) one-size-fits-all arguments. Peas in a pod, I suppose.

rogerb on May 14, 2013 at 9:29 PM

You know, now that I think about it, it’s essentially the same mindset as most (D) one-size-fits-all arguments. Peas in a pod, I suppose.

rogerb on May 14, 2013 at 9:29 PM

On one level your story is funny. Lactose intolerant villagers making the best use of what they get from the United Nations.

But here’s the kicker to that. Whoever in the United Nations asked these people, or their governments, or the NGOs what they most needed. It is the kind of paternalism at the heart of any “humanitarian” efforts of the UN that makes me think the whole organization should be disbanded despite the sudden spike in unemployment among the idiot relatives of the world’s dictators.

Happy Nomad on May 14, 2013 at 9:39 PM

Move the UN to Zimbabwe.

Manhattan’s brothels and pretentious restaurants hardest hit.

viking01 on May 14, 2013 at 10:11 PM

Whoa…deja vu all over again.
Must be a glich in the matrix.

justltl on May 14, 2013 at 10:28 PM

The UN has delusions of grandeur.

The proper response to the UN acting in an absurd manner is to start working around or indifferent to it. Hold meetings and conferences outside the UN’s structure. Most diplomacy already happens outside the UN. Its not as if the state department files for a meeting at the UN every time they want to talk to certain allies or even rivals.

The UN has a place in that it allows many nations to interact with each other at once at the same time. But the vast majority of diplomacy doesn’t require that sort of action.

How we underscore the irrelevance of the UN is by simply not using it. Its not that hard. Pick up the phone and talk to country B. Arrange a conference of all the countries you’d care to collect. Do not run it through the UN at all.

Do that enough and UN will have no one listening to them but Wilson the Volleyball.

Karmashock on May 15, 2013 at 10:02 AM

Elsewhere in Dar al-Harb, emboldened Wahhabists were arrested last night probing Boston’s water supply.

CDC has a duty to quarantine and test these perps.

Saudi Arabia: New Virus Spreads

Saudi Arabia has confirmed six new cases of the SARS-like coronavirus in its Eastern Province in recent days, the state news media reported. That added to the previous tally of 24 confirmed cases since the disease was identified last year, in which 15 people died. Health officials said that it seemed likely the new virus could be passed between humans, but only after prolonged, close contact. A virus from the same family caused the outbreak of Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome, or SARS, that killed 775 people in 2003.

This is likely either a dry-run (or an actual) bio-terrorism attack.

Terp Mole on May 15, 2013 at 12:32 PM

It is the kind of paternalism at the heart of any “humanitarian” efforts of the UN that makes me think the whole organization should be disbanded despite the sudden spike in unemployment among the idiot relatives of the world’s dictators.

Happy Nomad on May 14, 2013 at 9:39 PM

I always get a laugh out of the lacy-pants libtards who sob about the elitist and paternalist attitudes of major European powers. Yeah, how dare a world-spanning empire consider themselves better than a mud-hut village of illiterates where everyone up to the warriors are afraid of the dark and evil spirits under every rock. How dare they impose their legal system on, say, a culture that threw women onto funeral pyres. Totally unfair and racist and wrong.

But, that’s what happens when a good portion of the Western world gets half its history from watching Pocahantas and the other half from jelly-spined indoctrinators who call themselves “professors”.

MelonCollie on May 25, 2013 at 10:44 PM