Quotes of the day

posted at 10:31 pm on January 24, 2013 by Allahpundit

Statement by the President on the Opening of Combat Units to Women

Today, by moving to open more military positions—including ground combat units—to women, our armed forces have taken another historic step toward harnessing the talents and skills of all our citizens. This milestone reflects the courageous and patriotic service of women through more than two centuries of American history and the indispensable role of women in today’s military. Many have made the ultimate sacrifice, including more than 150 women who have given their lives in Iraq and Afghanistan—patriots whose sacrifices show that valor knows no gender.

Earlier today I called Secretary of Defense Panetta to express my strong support for this decision, which will strengthen our military, enhance our readiness, and be another step toward fulfilling our nation’s founding ideals of fairness and equality.

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Defense Secretary Leon Panetta, in lifting a ban on women serving in combat, said women have become integral to the military’s success and have shown they are willing to fight and die alongside their male counterparts.

“The time has come for our policies to recognize that reality,” Panetta said Thursday at a Pentagon news conference with Gen. Martin E. Dempsey, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff.

Panetta said that not all women will be able to meet the qualifications to be a combat soldier.

“But everyone is entitled to a chance,” he said.

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If you want to know just how far the debate over women serving in combat situations has come, look no further than Sen. Marco Rubio, a top contender for the GOP’s 2016 presidential nomination and a leading voice in the modern conservative movement.

For Rubio, the question is a no-brainer. “Women already are in combat to begin with. We should be putting our best soldiers forward regardless of their gender,” Rubio spokesman Alex Conant said Thursday evening.

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For the next several months, and particularly over the summer, the services will reevaluate the standards they have in place for these combat positions, particularly the physical-fitness standards. A host of Defense Department officials swore to reporters on Thursday morning at the Pentagon that they’ll neither lower physical-fitness standards nor establish different standards by gender, something they say would violate federal law, anyway.

So the likely outcome of those tests is to find which jobs will remain excluded to women. An example a senior Marine official cited involved a loader on a tank crew. Loading a tank round requires a certain degree of upper body strength. You need to hoist a 50-odd pound, 120-mm round, removing it from its rack and loading it into the breach — here’s a video demonstration — all in a space that doesn’t really allow a lot of lower body strength to supplement. When the Army and Marine Corps explore job openings for women, that’s what they’ll test — whether a soldier or marine can do that, repeatedly, in relevant and realistic conditions, regardless of gender. (Although Dempsey mentioned one of his tank gunners when he was a division commander in Iraq was named Amanda.)

“For us it comes down to, it’s the physical standard and can they do it,” the Marine official said.

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There is a problem with fitness that affects the military, but it doesn’t reflect on women alone. It reflects on Americans in general, says Barnett, who as a member of a group called “Mission: Readiness” signed a report on the dangers posed by obesity to U.S. security.

“We are too unfit to fight, is the term. We are definitely an unfit society,” Archer added in a telephone interview. “They need basic training to get ready for basic training. This is true of both males and females,” Archer said…

“When we study history, we find that women have coped with every aspect of war. Women have demonstrated the emotional courage to withstand the brutality of war, including during lengthy imprisonment as POWs under very harsh conditions in the Pacific and in European work and death camps; in very dangerous and stressful resistance fighting; in the face of rape and mutilation; and at the moments of their deaths,” Fenner writes.

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In the US military, a woman’s service is not recognized, professionally or financially, the same way as a man’s. Because women have not been eligible for “combat role” positions—even though they were shooting and being shot at—they were denied access to certain career opportunities. The plaintiffs in a lawsuit the American Civil Liberties Union filed against the Department of Defense over the exclusion of women from combat roles offer great examples of this discrimination. Two of the plaintiffs in that case have received Purple Hearts, and two have received combat medals. One of the plaintiffs, Air Force Major Mary Jennings Hegar, a helicopter pilot, was shot down in Afghanistan attempting to evacuate wounded US service members. She engaged in a firefight with enemy forces and was shot before escaping. Women are already “getting their limbs blown off in war.” Panetta’s announcement will ensure they are recognized for it…

Most men cannot meet the necessary mental and physical requirements for service in combat. Any woman who can meet those standards should not be denied the opportunity because of an arbitrary gender restriction. Moreover, removing the restriction is not about celebrating militarism. The military has long been a path for historically disfavored groups to claim the full benefits of citizenship. Justifying discrimination against blacks, gays and lesbians, or women becomes much more difficult when they’re giving their lives for their country.

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Most people seem to believe that the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan have merely involved driving out of a forward operating base, patrolling the streets, maybe getting in a quick firefight, and then returning to the forward operating base and its separate shower facilities and chow hall. The reality of modern infantry combat, at least the portion I saw, bore little resemblance to this sanitized view…

When we did reach Baghdad, we were in shambles. We had not showered in well over a month and our chemical protective suits were covered in a mixture of filth and dried blood. We were told to strip and place our suits in pits to be burned immediately. My unit stood there in a walled-in compound in Baghdad, naked, sores dotted all over our bodies, feet peeling, watching our suits burn. Later, they lined us up naked and washed us off with pressure washers…

Despite the professionalism of Marines, it would be distracting and potentially traumatizing to be forced to be naked in front of the opposite sex, particularly when your body has been ravaged by lack of hygiene. In the reverse, it would be painful to witness a member of the opposite sex in such an uncomfortable and awkward position. Combat effectiveness is based in large part on unit cohesion. The relationships among members of a unit can be irreparably harmed by forcing them to violate societal norms.

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But is it a good thing? As a woman and a U.S. Marine Corps veteran, I’m not so sure. To those who have been agitating for this step, I say this: be careful what you wish for

Many women will find out in the long haul that combat entails unprecedented physical stress. As it is now, many women have greater duress on their bodies than men with the physical requirements and are discharged at higher rates from the duress on knees, hips, ankles, and joints. That reality will only be exacerbated in combat. Will physical performance standards be adjusted (that is, made less stringent) to accommodate women?…

It goes beyond physical limitations—the object of military culture is to defeat the enemy and kill anything that is a threat. There is a constant mode of aggression; I’ve seen too many women who enlisted and completed training, but soon learned they simply couldn’t face that dark reality on a daily basis.

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Women have been in support roles. Driving supply trucks or flying helicopters, accompanying patrols as interpreters — some of them have come under fire, some of them have undoubtedly fired back, and a few may have engaged in fire-fights spurred by the need to defend themselves. But getting shot at is not “combat” — at least not the way the official military defines it. The Department of Defense defines a combat job as one in which a soldier’s primary duty is to seek out, engage and neutralize the enemy. This is a distinction that should be recognized. Special credit should be given. Operating in a combat zone requires bravery but seeking out and “engaging” an enemy requires even more bravery. Sorry, the U.S. military is — well, used to be — a meritocracy. It makes distinctions.

Now, (I think we can all stop pretending that there aren’t sex differences here) men like this seeking-out-the-enemy thing. Infantry jobs, jobs involving combat, have to be requested and young men will continue to enthusiastically request these positions. Will women? I doubt they will in great numbers. I think they will continue to swell the ranks of intelligence, management, medical, and logistical jobs, continue to do these jobs admirably, but avoid the combat roles. If so, the impact of this historic policy change may be insignificant. It may go down as more of Obama’s gestural politics.

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Yet honoring sacrifice does not necessarily mean acceding to demands for social justice, and the real question should not be whether opening combat roles leads to greater job opportunities for women but whether placing women in infantry companies makes those units deadlier (or at least no less deadly) and more proficient in their core role — engaging and destroying the enemy in close combat.

Cemetery Ridge in Gettysburg, Pa., Bastogne in Belgium, and the Chosin Reservoir in Korea rank among the most hellish and brutal environments ever created by man. The idea that women in the ranks could have repelled Picket’s Charge, or the XLVII Panzer Corps, or the People’s Volunteer Army’s 9th Army just as well as men is more hope than anything else. I pray those hopes won’t ever be tested in equivalent environments, but if history is any guide, the test will come, and no amount of social justice can replace steely courage, superhuman endurance, and ironclad bonds of brotherhood.

Women and men are not interchangeable biological units. There will be consequences to this change, both expected and unexpected. Is “social justice” worth this very deadly risk?

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Feminists routinely deny Eros — except when it suits them to exploit their sexual power. Only someone deliberately blind to human reality could maintain that putting men and women in close quarters 24 hours a day will not produce a proliferation of sex, thus introducing all the irrational passions (and resulting favoritism) of physical attraction into an organization that should be exclusively devoted to the mission of combat preparedness. Reported “sexual assaults” will skyrocket, and of course it will only be the men who are at fault. Any consensual behavior leading up to the “assault” — getting in bed with your fellow grunt drunk and taking off your clothes, for example — will be ignored, since in the realm of sexual responsibility, women remain perpetual victims, at the mercy of all-powerful men. Expect a windfall to the gender-sensitivity-training industry, which will be called in both before and after the entry of women into combat units to eradicate endemic male sexism.

Even if Leon Panetta intends to keep female fighting units sex-segregated, that distinction won’t last. Feminists will complain that female-only units stigmatize women.

Chivalry is one of the great civilizing forces, taming men and introducing social graces and nuance to what would otherwise be a brutish social world. It is already on life support, but sex-integrated combat units will provide the coup de grâce.

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It’s predictable that members of Congress—including many who privately know better—will be intimidated by the forces of gender correctness from arguing against women in harness. It’s predictable that the media will unfairly attack critics of women in combat units as failing to respect the achievements and sacrifices of our servicewomen who have served and are serving in harm’s way. It’s predictable that few in our political and cultural elites will speak up for biology, for common sense, or for decency or honor.

This is therefore a moment of opportunity. The political leader who takes on this fight will be mocked and scorned–almost as much as was Ronald Reagan in 1977, when he challenged the bipartisan elite consensus on the Panama Canal Treaty. As it happens, I suspect this fight will prove more winnable in Congress than the fight against the Panama Canal Treaty. But whatever happens in Congress, will any political leader step up, as Reagan once did, to fight the good fight?

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SWalker on January 25, 2013 at 12:54 AM

I thought so. Something you were working on. Whip it out.

KCB on January 25, 2013 at 12:56 AM

This I think…

SWalker on January 25, 2013 at 12:59 AM

Scrumpy on January 25, 2013 at 12:55 AM

It’s like guitar assault.

KCB on January 25, 2013 at 12:59 AM

SWalker on January 25, 2013 at 12:48 AM

What was/is your opinion of this band..:)

Dire Straits on January 25, 2013 at 12:59 AM

KCB on January 25, 2013 at 12:59 AM

Yeah…I can dig it…and all that hair!!! Swedish too?

My my…

Hehehehehehe…

Scrumpy on January 25, 2013 at 1:00 AM

Who are Pete and Rachael?

KCB on January 25, 2013 at 1:01 AM

Scrumpy on January 25, 2013 at 1:00 AM

I don’t think an actual crime was committed…..

KCB on January 25, 2013 at 1:03 AM

http://youtu.be/g8MYsii4DZY

just because

Fred

jrsrigmvr on January 25, 2013 at 1:04 AM

Once the women actually qualify there will be fewer than 100.

So why bother?

profitsbeard on January 25, 2013 at 1:04 AM

SWalker on January 25, 2013 at 12:48 AM

What was/is your opinion of this band..:)

Dire Straits on January 25, 2013 at 12:59 AM

Honestly never heard of them before. If this song is indicative of their style I like the guitar work, but don’t really care for the vocal style.

SWalker on January 25, 2013 at 1:05 AM

SWalker on January 25, 2013 at 12:59 AM

The drum machine works for drill, but get a good drummer and bassist and lay it down. I like the style!

KCB on January 25, 2013 at 1:06 AM

Evening Fred!!

Scrumpy on January 25, 2013 at 1:07 AM

SWalker on January 25, 2013 at 1:05 AM

I agree..That LP was probably their best..:)

Dire Straits on January 25, 2013 at 1:07 AM

Who are Pete and Rachael?

KCB on January 25, 2013 at 1:01 AM

Friends of mine, who were suppose to write lyrics for that… but they chickened out… ;p So now it’s just sort of sitting on the back burner till I figure out what to do with it.

SWalker on January 25, 2013 at 1:07 AM

Oh absolutely I did!!

Thank you…

Scrumpy on January 25, 2013 at 12:57 AM

I hope that you also like Frost?

A Soldier

He is that fallen lance that lies as hurled,
That lies unlifted now, come dew, come rust,
But still lies pointed as it plowed the dust.
If we who sight along it round the world,
See nothing worthy to have been its mark,
It is because like men we look too near,
Forgetting that as fitted to the sphere,
Our missiles always make too short an arc.
They fall, they rip the grass, they intersect
The curve of earth, and striking, break their own;
They make us cringe for metal-point on stone.
But this we know, the obstacle that checked
And tripped the body, shot the spirit on
Further than target ever showed or shone.

Robert Frost

uncommon sense on January 25, 2013 at 1:07 AM

jrsrigmvr on January 25, 2013 at 1:04 AM

Hi Fred! Nice Jam!

KCB on January 25, 2013 at 1:07 AM

jrsrigmvr on January 25, 2013 at 1:04 AM

Very nice..:)

Dire Straits on January 25, 2013 at 1:08 AM

jrsrigmvr on January 25, 2013 at 1:04 AM

Ditto the above comments!!

Scrumpy on January 25, 2013 at 1:10 AM

SWalker on January 25, 2013 at 12:59 AM

The drum machine works for drill, but get a good drummer and bassist and lay it down. I like the style!

KCB on January 25, 2013 at 1:06 AM

Kind of a long story about why I don’t play anymore. I just screw around now and then with my machine. Don’t have the money to hire anyone or go into a recording studio, though I do still day dream about recording another CD. Mostly just a silly little day dream these days.

SWalker on January 25, 2013 at 1:10 AM

Uncommon,

Love Frost too!!

You might take a peek at this one, I am re-reading it after many years:

http://knarf.english.upenn.edu/PShelley/anarchy.html

Scrumpy on January 25, 2013 at 1:12 AM

Guess Who

KCB on January 25, 2013 at 1:12 AM

SWalker on January 25, 2013 at 1:10 AM

Day dreams can come true, never give up…

This young man is trying hard to break into the Red Dirt scene…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jeOwWUVrE8Q

I filmed this on his smart phone lol… He wrote this too!

He’s out of the army now… I hope he is successful!

Scrumpy on January 25, 2013 at 1:16 AM

http://youtu.be/uY8EwM3vah8

Hello all. my pick for the best guitarist still living.

jack and coke will do this to you by the way.

Fred

ps where’s grace tonite?

jrsrigmvr on January 25, 2013 at 1:16 AM

SWalker on January 25, 2013 at 1:10 AM

For what it’s worth, I like the feel of it. Music has movement, and I like that one.

KCB on January 25, 2013 at 1:16 AM

Ooops sorry it’s a cover…

Scrumpy on January 25, 2013 at 1:16 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HOhCbId_WyE

I filmed this one too… lol…

He DID write this one…

Scrumpy on January 25, 2013 at 1:17 AM

Scrumpy on January 25, 2013 at 1:12 AM

Was scrolling through links to find something to play. Was going for Flaco Jinminez but found this. Hope you likee.

He should be top tier but he ain’t exactly poverty stricken either.

arnold ziffel on January 25, 2013 at 1:18 AM

jrsrigmvr on January 25, 2013 at 1:16 AM

Oh yes for sure he is!!!

Scrumpy on January 25, 2013 at 1:19 AM

SWalker on January 25, 2013 at 1:10 AM

Day dreams can come true, never give up…

Scrumpy on January 25, 2013 at 1:16 AM

Well… If you know somebody with a ton of cash they are just dying to throw away on a music project that will probably never break even, just have them give me a call and I’ll hook them right up… ;)

SWalker on January 25, 2013 at 1:20 AM

bippity boo bopp.

SparkPlug on January 25, 2013 at 1:20 AM

All, this is something you don’t see everyday, and it actually has some meaning .

uncommon sense on January 25, 2013 at 1:21 AM

though I do still day dream about recording another CD. Mostly just a silly little day dream these days.

SWalker on January 25, 2013 at 1:10 AM

Don’t gve up..We all have dreams to remember..:)

Dire Straits on January 25, 2013 at 1:21 AM

Dire Straits on January 25, 2013 at 1:08 AM

Dire, here is where I live.

OK, not really but pretty close.

arnold ziffel on January 25, 2013 at 1:21 AM

jrsrigmvr on January 25, 2013 at 1:16 AM

Sweet voice!! Thanks for the post!

Scrumpy on January 25, 2013 at 1:21 AM

How about we ask the man himself..

KCB on January 25, 2013 at 1:21 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-3vPKH0YRvU

Content warning. My GFs would be mad at me for posting my nw song with their pictures

SparkPlug on January 25, 2013 at 1:24 AM

Something from my old days… (back when I had my own record company)

SWalker on January 25, 2013 at 1:24 AM

uncommon sense on January 25, 2013 at 1:21 AM

Too cool!! We had several nights here of playing pipes and such…

It all started when we talked about (men in skirts) Men wearing Kilts!!

Scrumpy on January 25, 2013 at 1:24 AM

Scrumpy on January 25, 2013 at 1:12 AM

ah yes, but being of the age, you might also remember this?

uncommon sense on January 25, 2013 at 1:25 AM

SparkPlug on January 25, 2013 at 1:24 AM

Ahhhhhhhhhhhhh so sweet and mellow… Les was the greatest!!

Scrumpy on January 25, 2013 at 1:26 AM

Oops wrong person! Ken!! Yes!! Les Paul!!

Scrumpy on January 25, 2013 at 1:27 AM

SparkPlug on January 25, 2013 at 1:24 AM

I almost played that tonight!! Mindreader ;-)

Scrumpy on January 25, 2013 at 1:28 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J4I59w3ISzA

For Scrumpy doodles. Content Warning.

SparkPlug on January 25, 2013 at 1:29 AM

Scrumpy on January 25, 2013 at 1:27 AM

Calling out another man’s name…

KCB on January 25, 2013 at 1:29 AM

uncommon sense on January 25, 2013 at 1:25 AM

Oh my goodness yes!! In English class, took all spring to read it!

We had others to read at the same time… classic and timeless!

Scrumpy on January 25, 2013 at 1:32 AM

KCB on January 25, 2013 at 1:29 AM

How can I make amends? :-(

Scrumpy on January 25, 2013 at 1:33 AM

SparkPlug on January 25, 2013 at 1:29 AM

Oh my!! What a naughty piper he was! ;-)

Scrumpy on January 25, 2013 at 1:35 AM

Scrumpy on January 25, 2013 at 1:33 AM

Wish me a good evening. I enjoyed hanging with you Chrissy!

KCB on January 25, 2013 at 1:36 AM

Too cool!! We had several nights here of playing pipes and such…

It all started when we talked about (men in skirts) Men wearing Kilts!!

Scrumpy on January 25, 2013 at 1:24 AM

Yes men in drag some how appeals to the fairer sex, but don’t forget that the Babylonian’s also wore skirts. :)

uncommon sense on January 25, 2013 at 1:36 AM

Well, good night folks, I have to take my brothers monsters to school in the morning, so I need to make it an early one tonight…

SWalker on January 25, 2013 at 1:37 AM

arnold ziffel on January 25, 2013 at 1:21 AM

Very nice cove tune there..:)

PS..Too many Border Agents there for me..:)

Dire Straits on January 25, 2013 at 1:37 AM

SWalker on January 25, 2013 at 1:37 AM

thanks for sharing your music!

KCB on January 25, 2013 at 1:38 AM

KCB on January 25, 2013 at 1:36 AM

Good Evening Ken!! {{hugs}} :-)

Scrumpy on January 25, 2013 at 1:38 AM

SWalker on January 25, 2013 at 1:37 AM

thanks for sharing your music!

KCB on January 25, 2013 at 1:38 AM

My pleasure is your ears agony… ;)

SWalker on January 25, 2013 at 1:39 AM

SWalker on January 25, 2013 at 1:37 AM

Thanks for sharing your music!! Please do not give up your dream!

Sleep well :-)

Scrumpy on January 25, 2013 at 1:39 AM

uncommon sense on January 25, 2013 at 1:36 AM

So did this guy an he made a fortune..:)

Dire Straits on January 25, 2013 at 1:40 AM

Then the experiment is over, yes?

John the Libertarian on January 25, 2013 at 12:34 AM

No. For the left, the experiment is never over.

And this isn’t about whether a few women can even make the cut. The cost to set up units JUST IN CASE they become co-ed goes into everything and is a major undertaking. Even if all is done in that respect that needs to be, there still will be your general ages-old problem of having men and women together, living in close quarters under stressful conditions, and we really shouldn’t need any history lesson to know what ALWAYS happens in those situations.

This idea of women inn combat units is not an experiment. It’s sabotage. Plain and simple. We have all of human history and plain common sense to inform us about that. Let the lefties get rid of women’s sports leagues first, for the “experiment”, to see how women stack up in such tasks. Make women run against men. Make them play tennis against men. Make them play pool against men. That would be an “experiment”, not forcing it on the military. We still, haven’t seen the effects, yet, from their sabotage of the military with openly gay soldiers. Give that a couple of years more and you’ll start to hear about how things have really changed when they allowed people sexually attracted to each other to be open about it and bunking together.

The left has been on a drive to claim that there are no differences between men and women …. but there clearly are (thank G-d). They are not superficial differences, either. Gender is a real thing. Different chromosomes and everything. Women can’t outrun men. Women can’t even keep up with men running … or fighting, or pretty much anything of the sort. And they think differently, too, which lefties are happy to point out when they are trying to defend some “helpless” woman against the big terrible male chauvinist pigs and have to make special laws to protect these women they claim are equal …

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on January 25, 2013 at 1:40 AM

uncommon sense on January 25, 2013 at 1:36 AM

I turned it serious, playing videos from Scotland… Highland Pipers and such…

Scrumpy on January 25, 2013 at 1:41 AM

Here is my contribution for the night

uncommon sense on January 25, 2013 at 1:42 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UkCaMahV6rQ&list=PLE51D0BA13D382163

I followed these young scottish lads but they fizzled out, this was one of my fav songs!!

Scrumpy on January 25, 2013 at 1:45 AM

PS..Too many Border Agents there for me..:)

Dire Straits on January 25, 2013 at 1:37 AM

Why? If you’re Mexican they’ll just look the other way now. Obama told em to “stand down.”

arnold ziffel on January 25, 2013 at 1:45 AM

uncommon sense on January 25, 2013 at 1:42 AM

Classic TFF!! Gotta luv ‘em!!

Scrumpy on January 25, 2013 at 1:46 AM

How about we ask the man himself..

KCB on January 25, 2013 at 1:21 AM

He sure could play the guitar well. Who is he? //

arnold ziffel on January 25, 2013 at 1:47 AM

arnold ziffel on January 25, 2013 at 1:45 AM

lolz..There is your problem..:)

Dire Straits on January 25, 2013 at 1:48 AM

Last song of the night folks!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lDWgurQDLoE

JyroJets

Scrumpy on January 25, 2013 at 1:50 AM

Here is my contribution for the night

uncommon sense on January 25, 2013 at 1:42 AM

Nice selection. In your wildest dreams could you ever have imagined how things would change so much in America in a little over twenty years?

arnold ziffel on January 25, 2013 at 1:51 AM

It’s Good night from me to you!

God Bless… :-) {{hugs}}

Scrumpy on January 25, 2013 at 1:54 AM

Scrumpy on January 25, 2013 at 1:45 AM

I saw these guys at the Costa Mesa Highland games.

uncommon sense on January 25, 2013 at 1:58 AM

arnold ziffel on January 25, 2013 at 1:51 AM

Speaking of which..This tune was wrote as a “slam” to the Reagan economy of the 80′s..Compare that to now..:)

Dire Straits on January 25, 2013 at 2:00 AM

Nice selection. In your wildest dreams could you ever have imagined how things would change so much in America in a little over twenty years?

arnold ziffel on January 25, 2013 at 1:51 AM

no piggy, I couldn’t. let alone the stupidity that our state has proscribed to. I know you are here on the west coast, living in commiefornia.

uncommon sense on January 25, 2013 at 2:00 AM

Speaking of which..This tune was wrote as a “slam” to the Reagan economy of the 80′s..Compare that to now..:)

Dire Straits on January 25, 2013 at 2:00 AM

no, piggy and I live with this, but only under the guise of Moonbean!

uncommon sense on January 25, 2013 at 2:04 AM

It’s sabotage. Plain and simple.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on January 25, 2013 at 1:40 AM

Nah. It’s cosmetic. A few dozen butch types will volunteer. It’s not the end of the world.

John the Libertarian on January 25, 2013 at 2:05 AM

A very late pop in.

Good evening, Hot Gassers.

4Grace on January 25, 2013 at 2:09 AM

no piggy, I couldn’t. let alone the stupidity that our state has proscribed to. I know you are here on the west coast, living in commiefornia.

uncommon sense on January 25, 2013 at 2:00 AM

No kidding. It has been festering for years but I held out hope. 2010 the voters hit the gas pedal and 2012 they took the koolaid chaser.
We are moving to Oregon for a bit and then hopefully Texas.

arnold ziffel on January 25, 2013 at 2:11 AM

For what it’s worth, I am against the idea of women on the front lines. I am so very very sick of the “equality” BS. Many things and many people are equal in worth. That doesn’t mean they are the SAME. The Left keeps trying to make everyone the same.

4Grace on January 25, 2013 at 2:12 AM

A very late pop in.

Good evening, Hot Gassers.

4Grace on January 25, 2013 at 2:09 AM

Hi Gracie. Good to see you. I like that outfit.

arnold ziffel on January 25, 2013 at 2:13 AM

uncommon sense on January 25, 2013 at 2:04 AM

Ihear you..:)

Dire Straits on January 25, 2013 at 2:13 AM

4Grace on January 25, 2013 at 2:09 AM

Ah Grace, how is my Texas belle? I have missed you, but there have been many reasons why, will you forgive me?

uncommon sense on January 25, 2013 at 2:14 AM

We are moving to Oregon for a bit and then hopefully Texas.

arnold ziffel on January 25, 2013 at 2:11 AM

Great news!!

4Grace on January 25, 2013 at 2:15 AM

4Grace on January 25, 2013 at 2:12 AM

I agree..:)

Dire Straits on January 25, 2013 at 2:15 AM

Everything spewed by the Maintream Terrorist Media and amplified in the Media Echo Chamber by this Faux Phony “Conservative” Blog — which, upon any scrutiny – turns out only to “fluff” the messages and the nether-regions of the Elitists in The Republican Elitist Branch, which is The Same Elitists as in The Democrat Elitist Branch…..all standing around, feeling tragically hip as they swill their fashionable martinis in a circling motion and mutually admire each other’s “reasonableness” and “hipness” and “willingness to cut a deal” as they piss away the future, mental energies and financial structure of this country ………..makes me nauseatingly queasily jaundiced and SICK!

All I can think of it how “Right On Target:

Bob Dylan Is On This Subject

williamg on January 25, 2013 at 2:16 AM

4Grace on January 25, 2013 at 2:09 AM

Hi Grace

Fred

jrsrigmvr on January 25, 2013 at 2:16 AM

Hi Gracie. Good to see you. I like that outfit.

arnold ziffel on January 25, 2013 at 2:13 AM

Haha. Why, thank you, arnold!
Always wonderful to see you, too. :)

4Grace on January 25, 2013 at 2:16 AM

That doesn’t mean they are the SAME. The Left keeps trying to make everyone the same.

4Grace on January 25, 2013 at 2:12 AM

Equal OPPORTUNITY, Grace. That’s our credo. We don’t know if some can make the cut. That’s up to them. But they deserve a shot.

John the Libertarian on January 25, 2013 at 2:16 AM

Good night friends, I need to rest up. Can’t wait for more good news on Friday.
One final thought. Gov Jerry (mud butt) Brown said today in his state of the state speech that CA was a “beacon” for the rest of America. He didn’t realize that beacon is a warning to not hit the rocks like we have.

arnold ziffel on January 25, 2013 at 2:19 AM

Ah Grace, how is my Texas belle? I have missed you, but there have been many reasons why, will you forgive me?

uncommon sense on January 25, 2013 at 2:14 AM

I have missed you too, uncommon! I was down with the flu for a long time. Just getting back to normal.

P.S. I am so very sorry to hear of the passing of your father. I know he’s in a better place, but the mourning is for us. Because we miss them so. Please accept my heartfelt condolences.

4Grace on January 25, 2013 at 2:20 AM

For what it’s worth, I am against the idea of women on the front lines. I am so very very sick of the “equality” BS. Many things and many people are equal in worth. That doesn’t mean they are the SAME. The Left keeps trying to make everyone the same.

4Grace on January 25, 2013 at 2:12 AM

4Grace–just stopped in for a moment and I saw your comment. It occurred to me that the Left believes people are NOT equal in worth. There’s certainly been enough evidence to support that this week.

They try to foster their self-righteous facade by pretending that real differences, having nothing to do with worth, don’t exist.

INC on January 25, 2013 at 2:23 AM

Hi Grace

Fred

jrsrigmvr on January 25, 2013 at 2:16 AM

*waves* A hearty hello to you, dear Fred!

arnold ziffel on January 25, 2013 at 2:19 AM

Goodnight, arnold. Sweet piggy dreams for you!

4Grace on January 25, 2013 at 2:23 AM

Good night friends, I need to rest up. Can’t wait for more good news on Friday.
One final thought. Gov Jerry (mud butt) Brown said today in his state of the state speech that CA was a “beacon” for the rest of America. He didn’t realize that beacon is a warning to not hit the rocks like we have.

arnold ziffel on January 25, 2013 at 2:19 AM

Arnold, my friend, this the poster for Ca.

uncommon sense on January 25, 2013 at 2:23 AM

INC on January 25, 2013 at 2:23 AM

Hello, INC! I understand what you are saying. It’s sort of 2 sides of the same coin.

4Grace on January 25, 2013 at 2:25 AM

I have missed you too, uncommon! I was down with the flu for a long time. Just getting back to normal.

P.S. I am so very sorry to hear of the passing of your father. I know he’s in a better place, but the mourning is for us. Because we miss them so. Please accept my heartfelt condolences.

4Grace on January 25, 2013 at 2:20 AM

You are wonderful, and yes, he is in a better place. He no longer has to suffer the slings and arrows of our time, with the Indonesian dog eating, jug eared reprobate.

uncommon sense on January 25, 2013 at 2:26 AM

Always wonderful to see you, too. :)

4Grace on January 25, 2013 at 2:16 AM

Gracie and the rest. I think you will like. Impressions are difficult, to sing them is even harder. I’m wondering if Merle wasn’t playing a trick.

Bye for real.

arnold ziffel on January 25, 2013 at 2:27 AM

Equal OPPORTUNITY, Grace. That’s our credo. We don’t know if some can make the cut. That’s up to them. But they deserve a shot.

John the Libertarian on January 25, 2013 at 2:16 AM

I get your point, but how far are you willing to take it? I guess that’s my quandry. Life, liberty, pursuit of happiness; business opportunities… I guess this is just a line that is very difficult for me to cross. Honestly, I am sure that there are a few (very few) women that could handle the job physically, emotionally, psychologically. But so many cannot, and yet they won’t discover that until it’s too late. My opinion.

4Grace on January 25, 2013 at 2:30 AM

John the Libertarian on January 25, 2013 at 2:16 AM

You are right..We will try this..It will fail on many levels and will be discontinued..:)

Dire Straits on January 25, 2013 at 2:32 AM

4Grace on January 25, 2013 at 2:25 AM

Yeah, in reality they don’t believe people to be equal because that gets in the way of their ideology, so they have to come up with a way to make it seem as if they do.

One of Sowell’s books was Vision of the Anointed. Leftists don’t consider themselves to be the know-better-than-you elite for nothing. Animal Farm redux: “Some animals are more equal than others.”

INC on January 25, 2013 at 2:34 AM

This guy plays guitar.

KCB on January 25, 2013 at 12:37 AM

So does this guy.

soundingboard on January 25, 2013 at 2:34 AM

Bye for real.

arnold ziffel on January 25, 2013 at 2:27 AM

Still listening, but I’m really enjoying it!

Goodnight–for real–arnold. :)

4Grace on January 25, 2013 at 2:35 AM

Animal Farm redux: “Some animals are more equal than others.”

INC on January 25, 2013 at 2:34 AM

Weird that lines like this pop into my head so often these days. Prior to this administration, I hadn’t thought of that book in…well, many many years.

4Grace on January 25, 2013 at 2:38 AM

4Grace on January 25, 2013 at 2:38 AM

Good evening..:)

Dire Straits on January 25, 2013 at 2:40 AM

So does this guy.

soundingboard on January 25, 2013 at 2:34 AM

Very cool. Wore me out just listening!

4Grace on January 25, 2013 at 2:42 AM

4Grace on January 25, 2013 at 2:38 AM

I’m half-asleep, and that phrase just zoomed into my brain.

Well, that’s it for me. I still have a few other miles to go before I sleep. See all y’all later!

INC on January 25, 2013 at 2:43 AM

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