Quotes of the day

posted at 10:31 pm on January 24, 2013 by Allahpundit

Statement by the President on the Opening of Combat Units to Women

Today, by moving to open more military positions—including ground combat units—to women, our armed forces have taken another historic step toward harnessing the talents and skills of all our citizens. This milestone reflects the courageous and patriotic service of women through more than two centuries of American history and the indispensable role of women in today’s military. Many have made the ultimate sacrifice, including more than 150 women who have given their lives in Iraq and Afghanistan—patriots whose sacrifices show that valor knows no gender.

Earlier today I called Secretary of Defense Panetta to express my strong support for this decision, which will strengthen our military, enhance our readiness, and be another step toward fulfilling our nation’s founding ideals of fairness and equality.

***

Defense Secretary Leon Panetta, in lifting a ban on women serving in combat, said women have become integral to the military’s success and have shown they are willing to fight and die alongside their male counterparts.

“The time has come for our policies to recognize that reality,” Panetta said Thursday at a Pentagon news conference with Gen. Martin E. Dempsey, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff.

Panetta said that not all women will be able to meet the qualifications to be a combat soldier.

“But everyone is entitled to a chance,” he said.

***

If you want to know just how far the debate over women serving in combat situations has come, look no further than Sen. Marco Rubio, a top contender for the GOP’s 2016 presidential nomination and a leading voice in the modern conservative movement.

For Rubio, the question is a no-brainer. “Women already are in combat to begin with. We should be putting our best soldiers forward regardless of their gender,” Rubio spokesman Alex Conant said Thursday evening.

***

For the next several months, and particularly over the summer, the services will reevaluate the standards they have in place for these combat positions, particularly the physical-fitness standards. A host of Defense Department officials swore to reporters on Thursday morning at the Pentagon that they’ll neither lower physical-fitness standards nor establish different standards by gender, something they say would violate federal law, anyway.

So the likely outcome of those tests is to find which jobs will remain excluded to women. An example a senior Marine official cited involved a loader on a tank crew. Loading a tank round requires a certain degree of upper body strength. You need to hoist a 50-odd pound, 120-mm round, removing it from its rack and loading it into the breach — here’s a video demonstration — all in a space that doesn’t really allow a lot of lower body strength to supplement. When the Army and Marine Corps explore job openings for women, that’s what they’ll test — whether a soldier or marine can do that, repeatedly, in relevant and realistic conditions, regardless of gender. (Although Dempsey mentioned one of his tank gunners when he was a division commander in Iraq was named Amanda.)

“For us it comes down to, it’s the physical standard and can they do it,” the Marine official said.

***

There is a problem with fitness that affects the military, but it doesn’t reflect on women alone. It reflects on Americans in general, says Barnett, who as a member of a group called “Mission: Readiness” signed a report on the dangers posed by obesity to U.S. security.

“We are too unfit to fight, is the term. We are definitely an unfit society,” Archer added in a telephone interview. “They need basic training to get ready for basic training. This is true of both males and females,” Archer said…

“When we study history, we find that women have coped with every aspect of war. Women have demonstrated the emotional courage to withstand the brutality of war, including during lengthy imprisonment as POWs under very harsh conditions in the Pacific and in European work and death camps; in very dangerous and stressful resistance fighting; in the face of rape and mutilation; and at the moments of their deaths,” Fenner writes.

***

In the US military, a woman’s service is not recognized, professionally or financially, the same way as a man’s. Because women have not been eligible for “combat role” positions—even though they were shooting and being shot at—they were denied access to certain career opportunities. The plaintiffs in a lawsuit the American Civil Liberties Union filed against the Department of Defense over the exclusion of women from combat roles offer great examples of this discrimination. Two of the plaintiffs in that case have received Purple Hearts, and two have received combat medals. One of the plaintiffs, Air Force Major Mary Jennings Hegar, a helicopter pilot, was shot down in Afghanistan attempting to evacuate wounded US service members. She engaged in a firefight with enemy forces and was shot before escaping. Women are already “getting their limbs blown off in war.” Panetta’s announcement will ensure they are recognized for it…

Most men cannot meet the necessary mental and physical requirements for service in combat. Any woman who can meet those standards should not be denied the opportunity because of an arbitrary gender restriction. Moreover, removing the restriction is not about celebrating militarism. The military has long been a path for historically disfavored groups to claim the full benefits of citizenship. Justifying discrimination against blacks, gays and lesbians, or women becomes much more difficult when they’re giving their lives for their country.

***

Most people seem to believe that the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan have merely involved driving out of a forward operating base, patrolling the streets, maybe getting in a quick firefight, and then returning to the forward operating base and its separate shower facilities and chow hall. The reality of modern infantry combat, at least the portion I saw, bore little resemblance to this sanitized view…

When we did reach Baghdad, we were in shambles. We had not showered in well over a month and our chemical protective suits were covered in a mixture of filth and dried blood. We were told to strip and place our suits in pits to be burned immediately. My unit stood there in a walled-in compound in Baghdad, naked, sores dotted all over our bodies, feet peeling, watching our suits burn. Later, they lined us up naked and washed us off with pressure washers…

Despite the professionalism of Marines, it would be distracting and potentially traumatizing to be forced to be naked in front of the opposite sex, particularly when your body has been ravaged by lack of hygiene. In the reverse, it would be painful to witness a member of the opposite sex in such an uncomfortable and awkward position. Combat effectiveness is based in large part on unit cohesion. The relationships among members of a unit can be irreparably harmed by forcing them to violate societal norms.

***

But is it a good thing? As a woman and a U.S. Marine Corps veteran, I’m not so sure. To those who have been agitating for this step, I say this: be careful what you wish for

Many women will find out in the long haul that combat entails unprecedented physical stress. As it is now, many women have greater duress on their bodies than men with the physical requirements and are discharged at higher rates from the duress on knees, hips, ankles, and joints. That reality will only be exacerbated in combat. Will physical performance standards be adjusted (that is, made less stringent) to accommodate women?…

It goes beyond physical limitations—the object of military culture is to defeat the enemy and kill anything that is a threat. There is a constant mode of aggression; I’ve seen too many women who enlisted and completed training, but soon learned they simply couldn’t face that dark reality on a daily basis.

***

Women have been in support roles. Driving supply trucks or flying helicopters, accompanying patrols as interpreters — some of them have come under fire, some of them have undoubtedly fired back, and a few may have engaged in fire-fights spurred by the need to defend themselves. But getting shot at is not “combat” — at least not the way the official military defines it. The Department of Defense defines a combat job as one in which a soldier’s primary duty is to seek out, engage and neutralize the enemy. This is a distinction that should be recognized. Special credit should be given. Operating in a combat zone requires bravery but seeking out and “engaging” an enemy requires even more bravery. Sorry, the U.S. military is — well, used to be — a meritocracy. It makes distinctions.

Now, (I think we can all stop pretending that there aren’t sex differences here) men like this seeking-out-the-enemy thing. Infantry jobs, jobs involving combat, have to be requested and young men will continue to enthusiastically request these positions. Will women? I doubt they will in great numbers. I think they will continue to swell the ranks of intelligence, management, medical, and logistical jobs, continue to do these jobs admirably, but avoid the combat roles. If so, the impact of this historic policy change may be insignificant. It may go down as more of Obama’s gestural politics.

***

Yet honoring sacrifice does not necessarily mean acceding to demands for social justice, and the real question should not be whether opening combat roles leads to greater job opportunities for women but whether placing women in infantry companies makes those units deadlier (or at least no less deadly) and more proficient in their core role — engaging and destroying the enemy in close combat.

Cemetery Ridge in Gettysburg, Pa., Bastogne in Belgium, and the Chosin Reservoir in Korea rank among the most hellish and brutal environments ever created by man. The idea that women in the ranks could have repelled Picket’s Charge, or the XLVII Panzer Corps, or the People’s Volunteer Army’s 9th Army just as well as men is more hope than anything else. I pray those hopes won’t ever be tested in equivalent environments, but if history is any guide, the test will come, and no amount of social justice can replace steely courage, superhuman endurance, and ironclad bonds of brotherhood.

Women and men are not interchangeable biological units. There will be consequences to this change, both expected and unexpected. Is “social justice” worth this very deadly risk?

***

Feminists routinely deny Eros — except when it suits them to exploit their sexual power. Only someone deliberately blind to human reality could maintain that putting men and women in close quarters 24 hours a day will not produce a proliferation of sex, thus introducing all the irrational passions (and resulting favoritism) of physical attraction into an organization that should be exclusively devoted to the mission of combat preparedness. Reported “sexual assaults” will skyrocket, and of course it will only be the men who are at fault. Any consensual behavior leading up to the “assault” — getting in bed with your fellow grunt drunk and taking off your clothes, for example — will be ignored, since in the realm of sexual responsibility, women remain perpetual victims, at the mercy of all-powerful men. Expect a windfall to the gender-sensitivity-training industry, which will be called in both before and after the entry of women into combat units to eradicate endemic male sexism.

Even if Leon Panetta intends to keep female fighting units sex-segregated, that distinction won’t last. Feminists will complain that female-only units stigmatize women.

Chivalry is one of the great civilizing forces, taming men and introducing social graces and nuance to what would otherwise be a brutish social world. It is already on life support, but sex-integrated combat units will provide the coup de grâce.

***

It’s predictable that members of Congress—including many who privately know better—will be intimidated by the forces of gender correctness from arguing against women in harness. It’s predictable that the media will unfairly attack critics of women in combat units as failing to respect the achievements and sacrifices of our servicewomen who have served and are serving in harm’s way. It’s predictable that few in our political and cultural elites will speak up for biology, for common sense, or for decency or honor.

This is therefore a moment of opportunity. The political leader who takes on this fight will be mocked and scorned–almost as much as was Ronald Reagan in 1977, when he challenged the bipartisan elite consensus on the Panama Canal Treaty. As it happens, I suspect this fight will prove more winnable in Congress than the fight against the Panama Canal Treaty. But whatever happens in Congress, will any political leader step up, as Reagan once did, to fight the good fight?

***

***



Related Posts:

Breaking on Hot Air

Blowback

Note from Hot Air management: This section is for comments from Hot Air's community of registered readers. Please don't assume that Hot Air management agrees with or otherwise endorses any particular comment just because we let it stand. A reminder: Anyone who fails to comply with our terms of use may lose their posting privilege.

Trackbacks/Pings

Trackback URL

Comments

Comment pages: 1 2 3 4 5 6

The only female crossover successes that come to mind are Anika Sorenstram and Danika Patrick, and they have had moderate success…but nobody’s life/limb was risked in the process.

Jackalope on January 24, 2013 at 11:17 PM

I’m not sure what you’re talking about with Sorenstam. I think she only barely qualified for one or two PGA events and missed the cut. That younger girl player couldn’t even qualify (I can’t remember her name but she was tearing up the LPGA). This is all sort of funny because there have been male champions and top 10 finishers who have been short drivers – as short as women, but they could still compete and win in the PGA. Danika Patrick has had a little less than moderate success, but she’s extra-cute.

I better examples are women like Shirley Muldowney and Annie Oakley. That’s about it, though. One or two women every few decades might be able to make it with the men but even that’s about the size of things. The expense to change everything for that is, as we all know, insane. And putting men and women together in close quarters living under stressful conditions is just asking for huge problems (especially if any of the women look like Danika Patrick).

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on January 24, 2013 at 11:35 PM

When “they” are done with cuts to the military it will be lucky if there is any boots left to fill. After they are out of Afghanistan, there is no combat with boots on the ground will they be heading to. Sec Def Hegel and Sec State Kerry and O will not be sending anyone in uniform anywhere regardless of sex no matter what happens.

What difference at this point does it matter.

tjexcite on January 24, 2013 at 11:35 PM

Bmore on January 24, 2013 at 11:30 PM

recieved, you may remove.

uncommon sense on January 24, 2013 at 11:35 PM

Bmore on January 24, 2013 at 11:30 PM

received, you may remove.

uncommon sense on January 24, 2013 at 11:36 PM

Not actual combat, as in being shot at…but command over units that she can order into combat. And, if a few girls get killed in the process of her career advancement…it’s all for a good cause.

Solaratov on January 24, 2013 at 11:32 PM

What’s sauce for the ganders should be sauce for the gooses I guess.

VorDaj on January 24, 2013 at 11:36 PM

Baz! He just came in… I am happy now… :-)

Scrumpy on January 24, 2013 at 11:36 PM

Scrumpy on January 24, 2013 at 11:33 PM

Wow! HOW GOOD WAS THAT!!

KCB on January 24, 2013 at 11:36 PM

Jackalope..got meds? lol
Join our loopy crew. :)

bazil9 on January 24, 2013 at 11:37 PM

No sir. It was not left for me. Such things need to be honored.

KCB on January 24, 2013 at 11:35 PM

Sorry, its okay if you have it too. I just don’t want all the trolls that hate me to have it. Did I mention I’m tending to too many things at once. Lol!

Bmore on January 24, 2013 at 11:37 PM

This date in History

RickB on January 24, 2013 at 11:37 PM

SWalker on January 24, 2013 at 11:18 PM

Very nice tune..:)

Dire Straits on January 24, 2013 at 11:34 PM

I’ve always liked that one, but find it tremendously amusing that so few people actual understand what Industrial Disease is… :p

SWalker on January 24, 2013 at 11:37 PM

uncommon sense on January 24, 2013 at 11:21 PM

…sorry to hear that…don’t care how old you are or how old they are…it’s tuff!…it takes a bit of time for the hurt to slowly go away…to be replaced by memories…making the pain more bearable.

KOOLAID2 on January 24, 2013 at 11:37 PM

Speaking of goosing, I wonder how all the new goosing is being taken in our new Gay Pride Army.

VorDaj on January 24, 2013 at 11:37 PM

received, you may remove.

uncommon sense on January 24, 2013 at 11:36 PM

Cool, You can use a throw away email if you’d like. That’s my throw away that I never throw away. ; )

Bmore on January 24, 2013 at 11:38 PM

Baz! He just came in… I am happy now… :-)

Scrumpy on January 24, 2013 at 11:36 PM

I sent him a message. lol
Go home and luv on the scrumpster!

bazil9 on January 24, 2013 at 11:39 PM

KCB on January 24, 2013 at 11:36 PM

Super good I hope!! ;-)

Scrumpy on January 24, 2013 at 11:39 PM

For Rubio, the question is a no-brainer. “Women already are in combat to begin with. We should be putting our best soldiers forward regardless of their gender,” Rubio spokesman Alex Conant said Thursday evening.

*GROAN*

Cleombrotus on January 24, 2013 at 11:39 PM

We called them loose shirts. Navy regs said they didn’t have to tuck in thier shirts knocked up. And that’s the state they found themselves in when they didn’t want to deploy.

wolly4321 on January 24, 2013 at 11:39 PM

Snicker snicker… <—- carefully says nothing… ;p

SWalker on January 24, 2013 at 11:35 PM

*grin from ear to ear* : )

Bmore on January 24, 2013 at 11:40 PM

How do, for instance, the Israeli women do it?

Scrumpy on January 24, 2013 at 10:46 PM

They don’t.

It was tried, early in Israel’s fight for survival – and found that it was a BAD idea. It reduced the overall efficiency and performance of every mixed unit. The men would cut off an attack to tend to a wounded woman; or to try to protect a woman rather than continue an attack.

Today, women are not front-line Infantry soldiers. There are, though, quite a few woman snipers – at which they seem to excel.

Solaratov on January 24, 2013 at 11:40 PM

Sec Def Hegel and Sec State Kerry and O will not be sending anyone in uniform anywhere regardless of sex no matter what happens.

What difference at this point does it matter.

tjexcite on January 24, 2013 at 11:35 PM

Not so fast. O could still order invasions of Israel, Texas and Arizona and all three would fight back pretty hard.

VorDaj on January 24, 2013 at 11:40 PM

…sorry to hear that…don’t care how old you are or how old they are…it’s tuff!…it takes a bit of time for the hurt to slowly go away…to be replaced by memories…making the pain more bearable.

KOOLAID2 on January 24, 2013 at 11:37 PM

Thanks Dire, and KOOL. He is in a better place, and knowing him he is looking down and laughing. He did provide us all with a ribald sense of humor, and he did much that most will never know to help secure this country.

uncommon sense on January 24, 2013 at 11:41 PM

And I dislike the pubs who are giving cover to this administration for this decision. They’re afraid of the ‘war on wimmenz’ accusation, and want to be politically correct. They blather on and on. All hail ‘fairness’. But the ground realities are very different. This will have serious implications. Idjit pubs.

tommy71 on January 24, 2013 at 11:41 PM

Exit question: Do we now start negotiating with terrorists?

TXUS on January 24, 2013 at 11:27 PM

TXUS:

Not according to Nuland,and this is the first time,I have ever
heard the Obama Administration state this,er,or the State Depart
ment!:)
======

Victoria Nuland
Spokesperson
Daily Press Briefing
Washington, DC
January 18, 2013
****************

QUESTION: Yeah, thank you. The terrorists are asking for the release of Sheikh Omar Abdel Rahman and Aafia Siddiqui from the U.S. prisons. Do you have any reaction to that?

MS. NULAND: The United States does not negotiate with terrorists.

QUESTION: That means –

QUESTION: So do you apply that to Algeria? Algeria does not negotiate with terrorists?

MS. NULAND: I’ll say it again. The United States does not negotiate with terrorists.
==========================

http://www.state.gov/r/pa/prs/dpb/2013/01/203041.htm

canopfor on January 24, 2013 at 11:42 PM

Baz! Um did you telegraph him to jump on my table and nuzzle me whilst I am trying to type? lol!! He’d not done that before!

Scrumpy on January 24, 2013 at 11:42 PM

What difference at this point does it matter.

tjexcite on January 24, 2013 at 11:35 PM

It’s another step down on blurring the distinction between what’s a man and what’s a woman.

You think our young people are confused NOW?

Cleombrotus on January 24, 2013 at 11:42 PM

And I dislike the pubs who are giving cover to this administration for this decision. They’re afraid of the ‘war on wimmenz’ accusation, and want to be politically correct. They blather on and on. All hail ‘fairness’. But the ground realities are very different. This will have serious implications. Idjit pubs.

tommy71 on January 24, 2013 at 11:41 PM

Those aren’t Pubs, their professional Surrendercrats… Or maybe they are just French… o_O

SWalker on January 24, 2013 at 11:43 PM

Solaratov on January 24, 2013 at 11:32 PM

You and I are on the same page on this. Its bad business. Gonna get someone killed. I don’t like it one bit. Still not one good damned reason for it! Our guys have it rough enough without this bullshit.

Bmore on January 24, 2013 at 11:43 PM

Bmore on January 24, 2013 at 11:37 PM

I’ll catch up with you on a less active thread. Thanks!

KCB on January 24, 2013 at 11:43 PM

Solaratov on January 24, 2013 at 11:40 PM

Hi and Thanks for the update!!

Scrumpy on January 24, 2013 at 11:44 PM

Scrumpy on January 24, 2013 at 11:42 PM

I have magical powers..lol
I have 4 myself..they taught me their secrets. ;)

bazil9 on January 24, 2013 at 11:44 PM

Where the heII did John go?

Bmore on January 24, 2013 at 11:44 PM

How do, for instance, the Israeli women do it?

Scrumpy on January 24, 2013 at 10:46 PM

Since Israeli women all have to do mandatory service (though many get out of it), many bases are veritable fvckfests as the girls and guys there go crazy together. It’s known in Israel that the army is a time for many girls to let it all hang loose.

Women do important work in espionage (as has always been true through history pretty much everywhere) and are trainers for many combat skills, but that’s about it, these days. Those qualities that make women such great spies are exactly the same ones that make co-ed field units totally untenable, even if the women did measure up to the physical requirements, which only a very, very few women ever could.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on January 24, 2013 at 11:45 PM

KCB on January 24, 2013 at 11:43 PM

That’s okay KCB, she is leaving me alone at the moment. ; )

Bmore on January 24, 2013 at 11:45 PM

SWalker on January 24, 2013 at 11:37 PM

I hear you..:)

Dire Straits on January 24, 2013 at 11:45 PM

Cool, You can use a throw away email if you’d like. That’s my throw away that I never throw away. ; )

Bmore on January 24, 2013 at 11:38 PM

Sent you a throw away e-mail, forgive me for being remiss in checking the status, as I have many things on my plate, but I do always get there at some point :)

uncommon sense on January 24, 2013 at 11:45 PM

At least we can look at the bright side. We don’t have to worry about the military taking away our guns. They’ll be too busy humping…and I don’t mean hills.

weathermen on January 24, 2013 at 11:46 PM

Not according to Nuland,and this is the first time,I have ever
heard the Obama Administration state this,er,or the State Depart
ment!:)
======

canopfor on January 24, 2013 at 11:42 PM

Dude, that so totally only refers to Conservative American Citizens who refuse to convert to Marxism and are designated as domestic terrorists.

SWalker on January 24, 2013 at 11:46 PM

bazil9 on January 24, 2013 at 11:44 PM

Cats sure are amazing creatures… hadn’t had one since childhood…

I am sure enjoying his company! He’s a very purry guy :-)

Scrumpy on January 24, 2013 at 11:46 PM

She is still looking at me though. Quit! ; )

Bmore on January 24, 2013 at 11:46 PM

Bmore on January 24, 2013 at 11:44 PM

MY guess would be AoS..:)

Dire Straits on January 24, 2013 at 11:47 PM

canopfor on January 24, 2013 at 11:19 PM

Good evening..:)

Dire Straits on January 24, 2013 at 11:26 PM

Dire Straits:

Hey Dire thanks for pointing out Hot Tottys on
Theo Sparks,I scored the NRA Inaugrual Response,
Video that night,in which I fired it off to tips!:)

canopfor on January 24, 2013 at 11:47 PM

I have magical powers..lol
I have 4 myself..they taught me their secrets. ;)

bazil9 on January 24, 2013 at 11:44 PMMagic

KCB on January 24, 2013 at 11:47 PM

bazil9 on January 24, 2013 at 11:44 PM

B9, my wonderful friend from the other sunshine state, so have you been driving your jeep topless? :)

uncommon sense on January 24, 2013 at 11:47 PM

I am very happy for you Scrump.
Nothing like unconditional love. :)

bazil9 on January 24, 2013 at 11:48 PM

Have to admit that would be fun :)

gophergirl on January 24, 2013 at 11:00 PM

Not as much fun as you might think.

Solaratov on January 24, 2013 at 11:48 PM

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on January 24, 2013 at 11:45 PM

Hi and I thank you also :-)

One never stops learning! I had not thought to even look this up…

Never had a need to, thanks again :-)

Scrumpy on January 24, 2013 at 11:48 PM

I surfed the internet today.

Couldn’t find B9 anywhere until I got here.

SparkPlug on January 24, 2013 at 11:48 PM

Cats sure are amazing creatures… hadn’t had one since childhood…

I am sure enjoying his company! He’s a very purry guy :-)

Scrumpy on January 24, 2013 at 11:46 PM

Nothing beats a warm… ahem, purring pussy :)

uncommon sense on January 24, 2013 at 11:49 PM

I surfed the internet today.

Couldn’t find Scrumpy anywhere until I got here.

SparkPlug on January 24, 2013 at 11:49 PM

Dire Straits on January 24, 2013 at 11:47 PM

Yeah, he came in said he agreed with Rubio then split. Just trying to figure out what he meant. Dire whats your take on the ladies on the front lines?

Bmore on January 24, 2013 at 11:50 PM

I surfed the internet today.

Couldn’t find B9 anywhere until I got here.

SparkPlug on January 24, 2013 at 11:48 PM

Silly SparkPlug, whenever you are looking for something, it’s ALWAYS in the last place you look… (Unless you are Dane Bramaged and keep looking for it after you have found it)

SWalker on January 24, 2013 at 11:50 PM

Hmm…….Reid and McConell reached a deal on the filibuster. Good that no one went nuclear.

tommy71 on January 24, 2013 at 11:50 PM

bazil9 on January 24, 2013 at 11:44 PM

Cats sure are amazing creatures… hadn’t had one since childhood…

Scrumpy on January 24, 2013 at 11:46 PM

Cats were once worshiped as gods. They have not forgotten this. Of all God’s creatures there is only one that can not be made slave to the leash and that one is the cat. If man could be crossed with the cat it would improve man but deteriorate the cat.

FeralCat on January 24, 2013 at 11:50 PM

Poem for the late evening:

The soft stars are shining,
The moon is alight,
The folk of the glade,
Are dancing tonight!
Oh swift and gay,
Is the song that they sing,
They float and sway,
As they dance and sing.

O seek not to find them,
The blithe folk so fair;
They’re shy as the swallow,
And swift as the air.
If you come, they are gone
Like a snowflake in May,
Like a breath, like a sigh,
They vanish away.

Scrumpy on January 24, 2013 at 11:50 PM

Ask not what the Glade can do for you, ask rather what you can do for the Glade.

SparkPlug on January 24, 2013 at 11:50 PM

uncommon sense on January 24, 2013 at 11:47 PM

Once a Golden state girl too. :)
lmao..long memory I see.
Top off. Jeep..not mine..lol
Gorgeous weather-moved next to the beach. Delicious.
Tunes pumping and cruising down A1A. woo hoo!
I am sorry for your fathers passing. Otherwise..hope my SKA bud is well.

bazil9 on January 24, 2013 at 11:51 PM

Cats sure are amazing creatures… hadn’t had one since childhood…

I am sure enjoying his company! He’s a very purry guy :-)

Scrumpy on January 24, 2013 at 11:46 PM

nothing beats a warm, *ahem* purring, pu$$y LOL! :)

uncommon sense on January 24, 2013 at 11:51 PM

Note that the former servicewomen conveniently arranged to be on hand to defend this move on TV today are both from the aviation community.
Their experiences and service mean almost nothing when it comes to infantry ground combat in sustained operations.

rayra on January 24, 2013 at 11:51 PM

uncommon sense on January 24, 2013 at 11:47 PM

Long memory. Lol! She unfortunately managed to get a pass on the cheese boobs. 4Grace too. ; )

Bmore on January 24, 2013 at 11:51 PM

SparkPlug on January 24, 2013 at 11:49 PM

Hello!! :-)

Scrumpy on January 24, 2013 at 11:51 PM

Cats were once worshiped as gods. They have not forgotten this. Of all God’s creatures there is only one that can not be made slave to the leash and that one is the cat. If man could be crossed with the cat it would improve man but deteriorate the cat.

FeralCat on January 24, 2013 at 11:50 PM

LOL. That was excellent.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on January 24, 2013 at 11:52 PM

Ask not what the Glade can do for you, ask rather what you can do for the Glade.

SparkPlug on January 24, 2013 at 11:50 PM

Says the guy caught skinny dipping in the glade last week… o_O

SWalker on January 24, 2013 at 11:52 PM

Scrumpy on January 24, 2013 at 11:50 PM

That was wonderful.

I like this part

The folk of the glade,
Are dancing tonight!

SparkPlug on January 24, 2013 at 11:52 PM

uncommon sense on January 24, 2013 at 11:51 PM

LMAO!! You had to go there didn’t you!! Now the thread will go to P in a hurry!! Hahahahahahahahahaha…

Scrumpy on January 24, 2013 at 11:52 PM

rayra on January 24, 2013 at 11:51 PM

Left you a reply over at my place…

SWalker on January 24, 2013 at 11:53 PM

SparkPlug on January 24, 2013 at 11:48 PM

haha..I work.
I was on the Net-not were u would find me. :)

bazil9 on January 24, 2013 at 11:53 PM

SparkPlug on January 24, 2013 at 11:49 PM

When looking for these lovelies I usually start here. Tends to work. For instance, I am looking for the lovely Jackie. Instead of running around the internets (not going to mention the sites you visited)I will wait here, amongst friends, for her to appear.

KCB on January 24, 2013 at 11:54 PM

The Fire Marshall is in. Get ready for tazeraction.

tommy71 on January 24, 2013 at 11:54 PM

FeralCat on January 24, 2013 at 11:50 PM

Thank you for that!! Welcome! Not seen you before, I am remiss if you have graced QOTD before…

Scrumpy on January 24, 2013 at 11:54 PM

SWalker on January 24, 2013 at 11:52 PM

hahaha. I will never be able to pay the Glade for what the Glade has already given me. Plenty of nymph booty; and a job.

I’m Sparks the Fire Marshall. (:

SparkPlug on January 24, 2013 at 11:55 PM

FeralCat on January 24, 2013 at 11:50 PM

My better half grew up with a cat. His name was Tiger, Tiger on a string. Spent all of his days outside on a zipline. 23 pounder he was. Caught many a varmit from that string.

Bmore on January 24, 2013 at 11:55 PM

Bmore on January 24, 2013 at 11:51 PM

lol! I forgot..that was if we won..Grace and I would have done it!

uncommon sense on January 24, 2013 at 11:51 PM

LOL!!! I concur!

hee hee…
okay..I gotta be good now.

bazil9 on January 24, 2013 at 11:55 PM

Scrumpy on January 24, 2013 at 11:50 PM

Thank you! Very nice!

KCB on January 24, 2013 at 11:56 PM

Have you seen Drudge tonite? Pretty flies for a half white guy

AH_C on January 24, 2013 at 11:56 PM

I will wait here, amongst friends, for her to appear.

KCB on January 24, 2013 at 11:54 PM

This usually speeds her arrival…

SWalker on January 24, 2013 at 11:56 PM

SparkPlug on January 24, 2013 at 11:55 PM

Full of malarkey!! ;-p

Scrumpy on January 24, 2013 at 11:56 PM

We go back in time,to WW2………………………

And,Team Progressive have Swung Public Opinion,and
yes,they are now doing the very same thing on Gun
Control,and even worse,ReMaking America into the
Lefty Progressive Vision!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

American Women in WW2

U.S. Army Girls – It’s Your War Too (1944)
******************************************

In the World War Two era, approximately 400,000 U.S. women served with the armed forces and more than 460 — some sources say the figure is closer to 543 — lost their lives as a result of the war, including 16 from enemy fire. Women became officially recognized as a permanent part of the armed forces with the passing of the Women’s Armed Services Integration Act of 1948.

Several hundred thousand women served in combat roles,

especially in anti-aircraft units.

The U.S. decided not to use women
*********************************

in combat
**********

because public opinion would not tolerate it.
**********************************************

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QGp93ijzok4

canopfor on January 24, 2013 at 11:57 PM

FeralCat on January 24, 2013 at 11:50 PM

haha~
Mine think they are Gods.
I am their slave. They rule the house.

bazil9 on January 24, 2013 at 11:57 PM

Dire whats your take on the ladies on the front lines?

Bmore on January 24, 2013 at 11:50 PM

I do not like it at all..I see all kind of problems with this policy..:(

Dire Straits on January 24, 2013 at 11:57 PM

Cats were once worshiped as gods. They have not forgotten this. Of all God’s creatures there is only one that can not be made slave to the leash and that one is the cat. If man could be crossed with the cat it would improve man but deteriorate the cat.

FeralCat on January 24, 2013 at 11:50 PM

“My Cat”
Because I’m only Human
it’s sometimes hard to be
the wise, all-knowing creature
that my cat expects of me
and so I pray for special help
to somehow understand
the subtle implications
of each proud meowed command.
grant me inspiration
to create creative menus,
and post me by the door on time
to see to change of venues.
Oh, let me not forget that chairs
were put on earth to shred,
and that what I like to call a lap
is actually a bed.
I know it’s really lots to ask
but please, oh please take pity,
and though I’m only human,
make me worthy of my kitty!

author unknown

uncommon sense on January 24, 2013 at 11:58 PM

Why? For what reason John, cause through all these threads on this I still haven’t seen one good reason.

Bmore on January 24, 2013 at 11:07 PM

It’s a perception thing, B. He’s saying IF THEY’RE THE MOST QUALIFIED. Then it’s up to them to prove they can do it, and that bar may be and should be very very high. But we’re not saying flat out that woman can’t/shouldn’t do this.

Look, I don’t care what color or creed a person is as long as they provide a great product or service. Same with gender. This is the bedrock of conservative thought.

We can’t let the liberals win the gender, race or class wars. If I were a football coach, I’d say the same thing. Sure, your daughter can try out, and if she makes the cut, then great.

John the Libertarian on January 24, 2013 at 11:58 PM

Got my Taser all charged up in case I have to take it to the next level.

Level 1 is just yelling at people with my bull horn. That alone sends power chills up my spine.

Level 2 is the high pressure fire hose to disburse a crowd

SparkPlug on January 24, 2013 at 11:59 PM

SparkPlug on January 24, 2013 at 11:55 PM

When you say Fire Marshal this is all that comes to mind!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=416sZhLHVxQ

Scrumpy on January 25, 2013 at 12:00 AM

Level 2 is the high pressure fire hose to disburse a crowd

SparkPlug on January 24, 2013 at 11:59 PM

Which some around here would probably enjoy… o_O

SWalker on January 25, 2013 at 12:00 AM

canopfor on January 24, 2013 at 11:57 PM

This famous Lady served in WWII..:)

Dire Straits on January 25, 2013 at 12:01 AM

Technically,the women of the USS Hot Air Political Battleship of the Net,are in Combat daily,fight`n the good fight against Team Hopey,and
his Army of Minions,and so,

*********WE SALUTE YOU ******************

(Snark):)

canopfor on January 25, 2013 at 12:01 AM

SWalker on January 24, 2013 at 11:56 PM

Yes it does. She loves this guy!

KCB on January 25, 2013 at 12:01 AM

canopfor on January 24, 2013 at 11:57 PM

This famous Lady served in WWII..:)

Dire Straits on January 25, 2013 at 12:01 AM

That famous Lady sure looks a lot like Shirley Temple… O_O

SWalker on January 25, 2013 at 12:02 AM

Scrumpy on January 24, 2013 at 11:56 PM

hehe. No Camel Meal Tea or Kerfuffle for you my Dear.

SparkPlug on January 25, 2013 at 12:02 AM

Well Spark, don’t pull out your hose. That would be, um… unseemly. ;-)

tommy71 on January 25, 2013 at 12:02 AM

Speaking of Women,a happy ending,thank God!!

Update: New Jersey mom reunited with 2 children after her SUV was carjacked with kids inside – @CBSNewYork

10 mins ago from newyork.cbslocal.com by editor
===================================================

SUV was carjacked in Newark with 2 children inside – @eyewitnessnyc

2 hours ago from abclocal.go.com by editor
==============================================

canopfor on January 25, 2013 at 12:03 AM

SparkPlug on January 25, 2013 at 12:02 AM

Maybe this will get me back into your good graces?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYD4rNz2UZ8

Scrumpy on January 25, 2013 at 12:04 AM

SWalker on January 24, 2013 at 11:56 PM

Yes it does. She loves this guy!

KCB on January 25, 2013 at 12:01 AM

If that one does cause her to appear, this one ought to… ;)

SWalker on January 25, 2013 at 12:05 AM

**********Has anyone heard from Night Owl!!!!!!!!!!**********

canopfor on January 25, 2013 at 12:05 AM

FeralCat on January 24, 2013 at 11:50 PM

Thank you for that!! Welcome! Not seen you before, I am remiss if you have graced QOTD before…

Scrumpy on January 24, 2013 at 11:54 PM

But does he wear a rakish hat?
Oh, it would be unbearable if he’s fat
Perhaps he swaggers on a heath
With several daggers in his teeth
One could have the arrogance us guess
But it’s best not to know his identity nor his address

PercyB on January 25, 2013 at 12:05 AM

canopfor on January 25, 2013 at 12:05 AM

Not today. I’ve been lurking.

KCB on January 25, 2013 at 12:06 AM

John the Libertarian on January 24, 2013 at 11:58 PM

I see your point..And I get Rubio’s point..I just don’t think the public gets the consequences that could arise..:)

Dire Straits on January 25, 2013 at 12:07 AM

PercyB on January 25, 2013 at 12:05 AM

Hi Percy!!So good of you to drop by with another wonderful poem!!

Scrumpy on January 25, 2013 at 12:07 AM

canopfor on January 24, 2013 at 11:57 PM

This famous Lady served in WWII..:)

Dire Straits on January 25, 2013 at 12:01 AM

Dire Straits:The Queen,awesome pic,thanks Dire:)

canopfor on January 25, 2013 at 12:07 AM

Comment pages: 1 2 3 4 5 6