Quotes of the day

posted at 10:31 pm on January 24, 2013 by Allahpundit

Statement by the President on the Opening of Combat Units to Women

Today, by moving to open more military positions—including ground combat units—to women, our armed forces have taken another historic step toward harnessing the talents and skills of all our citizens. This milestone reflects the courageous and patriotic service of women through more than two centuries of American history and the indispensable role of women in today’s military. Many have made the ultimate sacrifice, including more than 150 women who have given their lives in Iraq and Afghanistan—patriots whose sacrifices show that valor knows no gender.

Earlier today I called Secretary of Defense Panetta to express my strong support for this decision, which will strengthen our military, enhance our readiness, and be another step toward fulfilling our nation’s founding ideals of fairness and equality.

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Defense Secretary Leon Panetta, in lifting a ban on women serving in combat, said women have become integral to the military’s success and have shown they are willing to fight and die alongside their male counterparts.

“The time has come for our policies to recognize that reality,” Panetta said Thursday at a Pentagon news conference with Gen. Martin E. Dempsey, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff.

Panetta said that not all women will be able to meet the qualifications to be a combat soldier.

“But everyone is entitled to a chance,” he said.

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If you want to know just how far the debate over women serving in combat situations has come, look no further than Sen. Marco Rubio, a top contender for the GOP’s 2016 presidential nomination and a leading voice in the modern conservative movement.

For Rubio, the question is a no-brainer. “Women already are in combat to begin with. We should be putting our best soldiers forward regardless of their gender,” Rubio spokesman Alex Conant said Thursday evening.

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For the next several months, and particularly over the summer, the services will reevaluate the standards they have in place for these combat positions, particularly the physical-fitness standards. A host of Defense Department officials swore to reporters on Thursday morning at the Pentagon that they’ll neither lower physical-fitness standards nor establish different standards by gender, something they say would violate federal law, anyway.

So the likely outcome of those tests is to find which jobs will remain excluded to women. An example a senior Marine official cited involved a loader on a tank crew. Loading a tank round requires a certain degree of upper body strength. You need to hoist a 50-odd pound, 120-mm round, removing it from its rack and loading it into the breach — here’s a video demonstration — all in a space that doesn’t really allow a lot of lower body strength to supplement. When the Army and Marine Corps explore job openings for women, that’s what they’ll test — whether a soldier or marine can do that, repeatedly, in relevant and realistic conditions, regardless of gender. (Although Dempsey mentioned one of his tank gunners when he was a division commander in Iraq was named Amanda.)

“For us it comes down to, it’s the physical standard and can they do it,” the Marine official said.

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There is a problem with fitness that affects the military, but it doesn’t reflect on women alone. It reflects on Americans in general, says Barnett, who as a member of a group called “Mission: Readiness” signed a report on the dangers posed by obesity to U.S. security.

“We are too unfit to fight, is the term. We are definitely an unfit society,” Archer added in a telephone interview. “They need basic training to get ready for basic training. This is true of both males and females,” Archer said…

“When we study history, we find that women have coped with every aspect of war. Women have demonstrated the emotional courage to withstand the brutality of war, including during lengthy imprisonment as POWs under very harsh conditions in the Pacific and in European work and death camps; in very dangerous and stressful resistance fighting; in the face of rape and mutilation; and at the moments of their deaths,” Fenner writes.

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In the US military, a woman’s service is not recognized, professionally or financially, the same way as a man’s. Because women have not been eligible for “combat role” positions—even though they were shooting and being shot at—they were denied access to certain career opportunities. The plaintiffs in a lawsuit the American Civil Liberties Union filed against the Department of Defense over the exclusion of women from combat roles offer great examples of this discrimination. Two of the plaintiffs in that case have received Purple Hearts, and two have received combat medals. One of the plaintiffs, Air Force Major Mary Jennings Hegar, a helicopter pilot, was shot down in Afghanistan attempting to evacuate wounded US service members. She engaged in a firefight with enemy forces and was shot before escaping. Women are already “getting their limbs blown off in war.” Panetta’s announcement will ensure they are recognized for it…

Most men cannot meet the necessary mental and physical requirements for service in combat. Any woman who can meet those standards should not be denied the opportunity because of an arbitrary gender restriction. Moreover, removing the restriction is not about celebrating militarism. The military has long been a path for historically disfavored groups to claim the full benefits of citizenship. Justifying discrimination against blacks, gays and lesbians, or women becomes much more difficult when they’re giving their lives for their country.

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Most people seem to believe that the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan have merely involved driving out of a forward operating base, patrolling the streets, maybe getting in a quick firefight, and then returning to the forward operating base and its separate shower facilities and chow hall. The reality of modern infantry combat, at least the portion I saw, bore little resemblance to this sanitized view…

When we did reach Baghdad, we were in shambles. We had not showered in well over a month and our chemical protective suits were covered in a mixture of filth and dried blood. We were told to strip and place our suits in pits to be burned immediately. My unit stood there in a walled-in compound in Baghdad, naked, sores dotted all over our bodies, feet peeling, watching our suits burn. Later, they lined us up naked and washed us off with pressure washers…

Despite the professionalism of Marines, it would be distracting and potentially traumatizing to be forced to be naked in front of the opposite sex, particularly when your body has been ravaged by lack of hygiene. In the reverse, it would be painful to witness a member of the opposite sex in such an uncomfortable and awkward position. Combat effectiveness is based in large part on unit cohesion. The relationships among members of a unit can be irreparably harmed by forcing them to violate societal norms.

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But is it a good thing? As a woman and a U.S. Marine Corps veteran, I’m not so sure. To those who have been agitating for this step, I say this: be careful what you wish for

Many women will find out in the long haul that combat entails unprecedented physical stress. As it is now, many women have greater duress on their bodies than men with the physical requirements and are discharged at higher rates from the duress on knees, hips, ankles, and joints. That reality will only be exacerbated in combat. Will physical performance standards be adjusted (that is, made less stringent) to accommodate women?…

It goes beyond physical limitations—the object of military culture is to defeat the enemy and kill anything that is a threat. There is a constant mode of aggression; I’ve seen too many women who enlisted and completed training, but soon learned they simply couldn’t face that dark reality on a daily basis.

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Women have been in support roles. Driving supply trucks or flying helicopters, accompanying patrols as interpreters — some of them have come under fire, some of them have undoubtedly fired back, and a few may have engaged in fire-fights spurred by the need to defend themselves. But getting shot at is not “combat” — at least not the way the official military defines it. The Department of Defense defines a combat job as one in which a soldier’s primary duty is to seek out, engage and neutralize the enemy. This is a distinction that should be recognized. Special credit should be given. Operating in a combat zone requires bravery but seeking out and “engaging” an enemy requires even more bravery. Sorry, the U.S. military is — well, used to be — a meritocracy. It makes distinctions.

Now, (I think we can all stop pretending that there aren’t sex differences here) men like this seeking-out-the-enemy thing. Infantry jobs, jobs involving combat, have to be requested and young men will continue to enthusiastically request these positions. Will women? I doubt they will in great numbers. I think they will continue to swell the ranks of intelligence, management, medical, and logistical jobs, continue to do these jobs admirably, but avoid the combat roles. If so, the impact of this historic policy change may be insignificant. It may go down as more of Obama’s gestural politics.

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Yet honoring sacrifice does not necessarily mean acceding to demands for social justice, and the real question should not be whether opening combat roles leads to greater job opportunities for women but whether placing women in infantry companies makes those units deadlier (or at least no less deadly) and more proficient in their core role — engaging and destroying the enemy in close combat.

Cemetery Ridge in Gettysburg, Pa., Bastogne in Belgium, and the Chosin Reservoir in Korea rank among the most hellish and brutal environments ever created by man. The idea that women in the ranks could have repelled Picket’s Charge, or the XLVII Panzer Corps, or the People’s Volunteer Army’s 9th Army just as well as men is more hope than anything else. I pray those hopes won’t ever be tested in equivalent environments, but if history is any guide, the test will come, and no amount of social justice can replace steely courage, superhuman endurance, and ironclad bonds of brotherhood.

Women and men are not interchangeable biological units. There will be consequences to this change, both expected and unexpected. Is “social justice” worth this very deadly risk?

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Feminists routinely deny Eros — except when it suits them to exploit their sexual power. Only someone deliberately blind to human reality could maintain that putting men and women in close quarters 24 hours a day will not produce a proliferation of sex, thus introducing all the irrational passions (and resulting favoritism) of physical attraction into an organization that should be exclusively devoted to the mission of combat preparedness. Reported “sexual assaults” will skyrocket, and of course it will only be the men who are at fault. Any consensual behavior leading up to the “assault” — getting in bed with your fellow grunt drunk and taking off your clothes, for example — will be ignored, since in the realm of sexual responsibility, women remain perpetual victims, at the mercy of all-powerful men. Expect a windfall to the gender-sensitivity-training industry, which will be called in both before and after the entry of women into combat units to eradicate endemic male sexism.

Even if Leon Panetta intends to keep female fighting units sex-segregated, that distinction won’t last. Feminists will complain that female-only units stigmatize women.

Chivalry is one of the great civilizing forces, taming men and introducing social graces and nuance to what would otherwise be a brutish social world. It is already on life support, but sex-integrated combat units will provide the coup de grâce.

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It’s predictable that members of Congress—including many who privately know better—will be intimidated by the forces of gender correctness from arguing against women in harness. It’s predictable that the media will unfairly attack critics of women in combat units as failing to respect the achievements and sacrifices of our servicewomen who have served and are serving in harm’s way. It’s predictable that few in our political and cultural elites will speak up for biology, for common sense, or for decency or honor.

This is therefore a moment of opportunity. The political leader who takes on this fight will be mocked and scorned–almost as much as was Ronald Reagan in 1977, when he challenged the bipartisan elite consensus on the Panama Canal Treaty. As it happens, I suspect this fight will prove more winnable in Congress than the fight against the Panama Canal Treaty. But whatever happens in Congress, will any political leader step up, as Reagan once did, to fight the good fight?

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I just can’t wait to see those ladies going up against, oh I don’t know, those NFL types in the Superbowl. Yeah that will be a great game.

Bmore on January 24, 2013 at 11:00 PM

Only if they make the NFL types wear lingerie, then they won’t be interested in playing quite so hard LOL!

uncommon sense on January 24, 2013 at 11:03 PM

Women are already “getting their limbs blown off in war.” Panetta’s announcement will ensure they are recognized for it… that many more will have that opportunity as well.

God help us.

Cleombrotus on January 24, 2013 at 11:03 PM

Seven Percent Solution on January 24, 2013 at 11:01 PM

I am sure it has, same for everyone who has kids…

Prepare is all we can do for now…

Good to see you again!

Scrumpy on January 24, 2013 at 11:03 PM

Rubio’s a no-brainer. That idiot should just shut his mouth, already. Every time he opens it, something incredibly stupid falls out.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on January 24, 2013 at 11:00 PM

I agree with him.

John the Libertarian on January 24, 2013 at 11:03 PM

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Good evening!!!! :-)

Scrumpy on January 24, 2013 at 10:38 PM

Why good evening Scrumpy… Sorry for being late, I was off screwing around in the dreaded real world… O_O

SWalker on January 24, 2013 at 11:03 PM

Greetings friends and trolls.

Congrats to all of the elected/appointed geniuses who have declared that being PC takes priority over protecting soldiers’ lives and winning wars. Liberals’ priorities defined…Republicans fail to point this out. Next.

Jackalope on January 24, 2013 at 11:04 PM

That’s an almost 2 yr old article…lots of shoulds’ n coulds’ in it… thanks!! Bookmarked.

Scrumpy on January 24, 2013 at 11:01 PM

And how does it being two years old mean that women aren’t carrying the same weight that men are? Do they no longer suffer stress fractures due to medical advancements these days?

Welcome.

sharrukin on January 24, 2013 at 11:04 PM

Signing off..

Take care..

Electrongod on January 24, 2013 at 11:04 PM

Absolutely!

KCB on January 24, 2013 at 10:52 PM

lol-just praising myself.;)

Seriously, once upon a time..I was a pretty tuff bi8ch
but still could not compete with men on that level..
physically..a fact.
I would want some hella of some big bad ass dudes covering me
not women. Just how I feel. Perhaps it depends on the situation.
I dunno..
KJ made good points on his take this AM.
As tommy said..and I did this AM..see more muzzies capture our women..torture,rape and violent deaths.

bazil9 on January 24, 2013 at 11:04 PM

Have to admit that would be fun :)

gophergirl on January 24, 2013 at 11:00 PM

Ever talk with an ex-sniper, gophergirl?

Cleombrotus on January 24, 2013 at 11:05 PM

I could look at it this way, the required training a woman would get to be able to serve on the frontline, all things considered, could come in handy down the road? If things go very wrong here, hope they would all be cons!! :-)

Scrumpy on January 24, 2013 at 11:05 PM

Hey Scrumpy and all my other friends…

… My apologies for not adding anything to the conversation lately.

Having to explain to Little 7% what a +$16 Trillion dollar debt soon to be $20 will mean to us and his future has left me a little jaded…

Seven Percent Solution on January 24, 2013 at 11:01 PM

Seven Percent Solution:

Good Gawd,I was going to send out a Rescue Posse’,good to see you back SPS!

Just being here, is good enough,….eh—————-:)

canopfor on January 24, 2013 at 11:05 PM

Good night EG!

KCB on January 24, 2013 at 11:05 PM

Have to admit that would be fun :)

gophergirl on January 24, 2013 at 11:00 PM

I want to test out a one-man artillery piece; think something like a simplified tank. Because kakking individual terrorists in the head is good…but turning them into red mist and making a big ol’ crater where they were standing is BETTER.

I’d be the crazy guy people would listen in to hear go “heeheeheehee…you go…BOOM! Hahaha, rest in pieces! Heeheehee, and now you go…BOOM! Oh look at that, flying terrorists!”

Why yes I do love exploding things, why do you ask?

MelonCollie on January 24, 2013 at 11:05 PM

I officially need a facebook break (not that I’m too active there) But perused tonight and it’s all about cheers for Hil and who owes her an apology, and how awesomely awesome womyn’s rights are today…hooray. Barf.

Jackalope on January 24, 2013 at 11:06 PM

Signing off..

Take care..

Electrongod on January 24, 2013 at 11:04 PM

Electrongod:Have a good night EG—-:)

canopfor on January 24, 2013 at 11:06 PM

Ever talk with an ex-sniper, gophergirl?

Cleombrotus on January 24, 2013 at 11:05 PM

No and I’m sure it isn’t fun at all. I was just being kind of goofy after a day from hell.

gophergirl on January 24, 2013 at 11:06 PM

Electrongod on January 24, 2013 at 11:04 PM

Good Night EG!! sleep well…

Scrumpy on January 24, 2013 at 11:07 PM

I agree with him.

John the Libertarian on January 24, 2013 at 11:03 PM

Why? For what reason John, cause through all these threads on this I still haven’t seen one good reason.

Bmore on January 24, 2013 at 11:07 PM

Respectfully, I don’t think you ladies understand sniper-life. Read Carlos Hathcocks book. You wouldn’t hack it. Niether would I.

wolly4321 on January 24, 2013 at 11:08 PM

Good Night Electrongod. Enjoy the movie.

Bmore on January 24, 2013 at 11:09 PM

BBBBBB!!!!!

Scrump! I owe you an apology.

bazil9 on January 24, 2013 at 11:09 PM

The muzzies would approve of this decision. Capturing an american gives them mucho credit among their ranks. Capturing an american woman would be like winning the lottery.

tommy71 on January 24, 2013 at 11:09 PM

Why?

Bmore on January 24, 2013 at 11:07 PM

Because shut up, that’s why… /s

SWalker on January 24, 2013 at 11:09 PM

No and I’m sure it isn’t fun at all. I was just being kind of goofy after a day from hell.

gophergirl on January 24, 2013 at 11:06 PM

I understand. But this thing is wrong on so many levels, it’s not funny.

Cleombrotus on January 24, 2013 at 11:09 PM

KOOLAID2 on January 24, 2013 at 10:55 PM

How did I miss that? Lol… pretty funny… ;-)

Scrumpy on January 24, 2013 at 11:10 PM

Why? For what reason John, cause through all these threads on this I still haven’t seen one good reason.

Bmore on January 24, 2013 at 11:07 PM

Sorry for butting in, but there is no upside. The best possible defense is that it would cause no harm, which is BS. The fact that no one can claim any value added says that there is no reason for it. period.

KCB on January 24, 2013 at 11:10 PM

I understand. But this thing is wrong on so many levels, it’s not funny.

Cleombrotus on January 24, 2013 at 11:09 PM

If you look at my posts I agree with you – I don’t like it either.

gophergirl on January 24, 2013 at 11:10 PM

************ Alert ***********

Republican National Committee panel to release report in March on 2012 election – @politico

5 hours ago from http://www.politico.com by editor
===============================================

RNC panel to report what went wrong

By JAMES HOHMANN
1/24/13 5:30 PM EST
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CHARLOTTE — The Republican Party committee tasked with reviewing what went wrong in the 2012 election plans to release a report in March.

The five members of the so-called “Growth & Opportunity Project” appointed by Republican National Committee Chairman Reince Priebus told reporters at a press conference Thursday that they’ve had “dozens of listening sessions over the last few weeks.” A web site launched Wednesday asks grassroots volunteers to submit their ideas.(More….)
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http://www.politico.com/story/2013/01/rnc-plans-report-on-what-went-wrong-86692.html

canopfor on January 24, 2013 at 11:10 PM

bazil9 on January 24, 2013 at 11:09 PM

For what reason Baz?

Scrumpy on January 24, 2013 at 11:11 PM

tommy71 on January 24, 2013 at 11:09 PM

My opinion also.

bazil9 on January 24, 2013 at 11:11 PM

SWalker on January 24, 2013 at 11:09 PM

Lol! Did you ever get chump straightened out?

Bmore on January 24, 2013 at 11:12 PM

I agree with him.

John the Libertarian on January 24, 2013 at 11:03 PM

Sorry to hear that. Rubio’s a friggin idiot.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on January 24, 2013 at 11:12 PM

Good evening..:)

Dire Straits on January 24, 2013 at 11:13 PM

Dire….

KCB on January 24, 2013 at 11:13 PM

Ok ok so sniper is out… :-(

Scrumpy on January 24, 2013 at 11:13 PM

FOX HOLE!

KOOLAID2 on January 24, 2013 at 10:31 PM

KOOLAID2:You is baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaad,Lol:)

canopfor on January 24, 2013 at 11:14 PM

Evening Dire!!

Scrumpy on January 24, 2013 at 11:14 PM

Evening Dire! ; )

Bmore on January 24, 2013 at 11:14 PM

Ok ok so sniper is out… :-(

Scrumpy on January 24, 2013 at 11:13 PM

I could do JAG. That is about my speed.

gophergirl on January 24, 2013 at 11:15 PM

Good evening..:)

Dire Straits on January 24, 2013 at 11:13 PM

DIRE! we are in Dire Straights my friend! :)

uncommon sense on January 24, 2013 at 11:15 PM

gophergirl on January 24, 2013 at 11:10 PM

No, I know. I’m not going after you.

Cleombrotus on January 24, 2013 at 11:15 PM

SWalker on January 24, 2013 at 11:09 PM

Lol! Did you ever get chump straightened out?

Bmore on January 24, 2013 at 11:12 PM

Sorry, Ron White is right, you just can’t fix stupid… O_O

SWalker on January 24, 2013 at 11:16 PM

Bmore on January 24, 2013 at 11:14 PM

So B, where /when do you wish to start the chit-chat :)

uncommon sense on January 24, 2013 at 11:16 PM

gophergirl on January 24, 2013 at 11:15 PM

JAG is fine. Support is fine. Pilots great! Front line combat is my only concern. ; )

Bmore on January 24, 2013 at 11:16 PM

gophergirl on January 24, 2013 at 11:15 PM

GG!! That’s the ticket!

Anyhoo, it’s not a good idea,women in combat, I just like to throw stuff out there from time to time…makes convo interesting since I miss all the early stuff!!

Scrumpy on January 24, 2013 at 11:16 PM

I am (OK, was) a tough chick. I played competitive rugby for 10 years…and I was good. Between college semesters, I worked as a wildland firefighter.

But I never would have played men’s rugby. The only female crossover successes that come to mind are Anika Sorenstram and Danika Patrick, and they have had moderate success…but nobody’s life/limb was risked in the process.

The logic here is way too obvious to fly in Washington.

Jackalope on January 24, 2013 at 11:17 PM

I just don’t think women belong on the front line.

gophergirl on January 24, 2013 at 10:42 PM

gophergirl:I do agree:)

canopfor on January 24, 2013 at 11:18 PM

uncommon sense on January 24, 2013 at 11:16 PM

; ) I don’t have to much chit or chat. Just while I was away after the election, did I read correctly that you suffered a loss?

Bmore on January 24, 2013 at 11:18 PM

I can blame my meds for making me loopy!! ;-P…

Scrumpy on January 24, 2013 at 11:18 PM

Well this girl is going to bed. TGIF!

gophergirl on January 24, 2013 at 11:18 PM

Good evening..:)

Dire Straits on January 24, 2013 at 11:13 PM

DIRE! we are in Dire Straights my friend! :)

uncommon sense on January 24, 2013 at 11:15 PM

Indeed we are, I myself am suffering from a brutal case of Industrial disease

SWalker on January 24, 2013 at 11:18 PM

Good evening..:)

Dire Straits on January 24, 2013 at 11:13 PM

Dire Straits:Goooooooooooood Evening Dire:)

canopfor on January 24, 2013 at 11:19 PM

Good Night gg, Pleasant Dreams.

Bmore on January 24, 2013 at 11:19 PM

Anyhoo, it’s not a good idea,women in combat, I just like to throw stuff out there from time to time…makes convo interesting since I miss all the early stuff!!

Scrumpy on January 24, 2013 at 11:16 PM

Very true, and the populace isn’t either thinking or aware of the desecration that will happen to captured/killed female combatants. This to me is the primary reason that this decision is not well thought out.

uncommon sense on January 24, 2013 at 11:19 PM

Goodnight GG!! sleep well…

Scrumpy on January 24, 2013 at 11:19 PM

; ) I don’t have to much chit or chat. Just while I was away after the election, did I read correctly that you suffered a loss?

Bmore on January 24, 2013 at 11:18 PM

Yes, my father decided to join those patriots that went before him.

uncommon sense on January 24, 2013 at 11:21 PM

I can blame my meds for making me loopy!! ;-P…

Scrumpy on January 24, 2013 at 11:18 PM

BWAHAHAHAHAH…. As if anyone here would buy that… ;p

SWalker on January 24, 2013 at 11:21 PM

Good night GG! Sorry you have to crash so soon.

KCB on January 24, 2013 at 11:21 PM

uncommon sense on January 24, 2013 at 11:19 PM

Mine also, omg, what the enemy would do to a female combatant in a war situation… as was mentioned earlier, the female reporter and what she endured, horrific… I still shudder to think about it.

Scrumpy on January 24, 2013 at 11:21 PM

I can blame my meds for making me loopy!! ;-P…

Scrumpy on January 24, 2013 at 11:18 PM

I’m with you sister. :) why i am a kook. ;)

bazil9 on January 24, 2013 at 11:22 PM

When an american woman is captured, gangraped, tortured and killed, there will be outrage like you’ve never seen. Wonder who the progs will blame. Won’t be the muzzies, thats for sure. They’ll probably blame ‘useless war’ followed by our ‘military-industrial complex’.

tommy71 on January 24, 2013 at 11:22 PM

SWalker on January 24, 2013 at 11:21 PM

If not that, then me lupus has fogged me brain! ;p

Scrumpy on January 24, 2013 at 11:22 PM

uncommon sense on January 24, 2013 at 11:21 PM

I was very sorry to hear. Are you making out okay?

Bmore on January 24, 2013 at 11:22 PM

gophergirl on January 24, 2013 at 11:15 PM

JAG was a very cool TV series..One of my favs..:)

Dire Straits on January 24, 2013 at 11:23 PM

I had an ex-sniper tow my wrecked 4 x 4 about 60 miles (AAA Premium) and we had the opportunity to talk. It took a while for him to trust me but when he did, he revealed that he’s hurting inside.

Killing another human being is serious business but these idiot Democrats like Penneta and Obama think it’s about gender equality. They talk about it as if it’s merely another affirmative action exercise so we can call ourselves progressive. They’re untethered from reality, in my opinion.

Cleombrotus on January 24, 2013 at 11:23 PM

bazil9 on January 24, 2013 at 11:22 PM

Oh yeah!!

What ever it was that you were sorry about, shoot we all friends here… I do blather a bit tho at times :-)

Scrumpy on January 24, 2013 at 11:24 PM

uncommon sense on January 24, 2013 at 11:15 PM

So it seems..:(

Dire Straits on January 24, 2013 at 11:25 PM

Scrumpy on January 24, 2013 at 11:11 PM

My humor can be mistaken here..tone and all that.
teased you with my Brit jokes last week..
You and RWM are my American sisters. I hope y’all didn’t take it wrong.
If so-my apologies.

bazil9 on January 24, 2013 at 11:25 PM

I was very sorry to hear. Are you making out okay?

Bmore on January 24, 2013 at 11:22 PM

yup, he doesn’t have to watch the continual decline of our great nation, which is the reason he came here in the first place. We are taking care of my mom, who is a real trooper after loosing her soul mate of 62 years… she is a tough old gal. She stays with us in the evenings, till she is ready to be by herself. The grand children keep her occupied :)

uncommon sense on January 24, 2013 at 11:26 PM

canopfor on January 24, 2013 at 11:19 PM

Good evening..:)

Dire Straits on January 24, 2013 at 11:26 PM

Cleombrotus on January 24, 2013 at 11:23 PM

They’re untethered and unhinged from reality, in my opinion.

FIFM :-)

Scrumpy on January 24, 2013 at 11:26 PM

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Good evening!!!! :-)

Scrumpy on January 24, 2013 at 10:38 PM

Scrumpy:

Sweet Bippy,ya covered all the bases,haha,Good Evening Scrumpy:)

canopfor on January 24, 2013 at 11:26 PM

Situation: Enemy operatives, AQ or other terrorists, capture six Marines, 4 men and 2 women. They kill the men, drag their bodies through the streets and video it all, but hold the women. Videos are soon released of the women being tortured and raped. Demands are made from the captors for the release of certain combatants we are holding and $50 mil or the women will lose their heads in the next videos. One of the women has two children, 4 and 6, being cared for by her husband and mother. The other woman, a single black or Latina, is the sole source of income for her ailing parents and family.

The media has been running the torture/rape videos non-stop since the capture, blurring the more salacious aspects. The satellite news trucks and scores of cameramen and lacquered hair pretty boys and girls with media creds hanging from their necks take up residence outside the homes of the women’s families. More than a few of them get sound-bited with pleas to the President to get their girls back, and now.

Exit question: Do we now start negotiating with terrorists?

TXUS on January 24, 2013 at 11:27 PM

Scrumpy on January 24, 2013 at 11:14 PM

Good evening..:)

Dire Straits on January 24, 2013 at 11:27 PM

Scrumpy, when you weren’t on QOTD last night, prayers were sent up for you. Got a lot of friends here.

tommy71 on January 24, 2013 at 11:27 PM

bazil9 on January 24, 2013 at 11:25 PM

Awww shucks Baz, we have an uncanny and sometimes unfathomable sense of humour!!

You good :-)

Scrumpy on January 24, 2013 at 11:28 PM

“A bird will fall frozen from a bough, without ever feeling sorry for itself.”

SpecOps should be held harmless from this nonsense. It ain’t a game.

wolly4321 on January 24, 2013 at 11:28 PM

Cleombrotus on January 24, 2013 at 11:23 PM

They’re untethered and unhinged from reality, in my opinion.

FIFM :-)

Scrumpy on January 24, 2013 at 11:26 PM

Nothing wrong with them that 2000mg of clozapine every 4 hours wouldn’t fix… <insert truly evil grin here:

SWalker on January 24, 2013 at 11:28 PM

Bmore on January 24, 2013 at 11:14 PM

Good evening..:)

Dire Straits on January 24, 2013 at 11:29 PM

tommy71 on January 24, 2013 at 11:27 PM

Thank you for reminding me Tommy!! I mean’t to make mention of it right from the start!!

My grateful thanks to all who kept me in their prayers…

I am humbled… God Bless you all!!

Scrumpy on January 24, 2013 at 11:30 PM

uncommon sense on January 24, 2013 at 11:26 PM

When you have a chance and if you ever feel like it. Go here, I’ll leave my email up for a minute or two. If you want to ever talk off thread we can. I don’t like speaking on thread about important stuff. Too many eyes. I’ll put the address up now. Just let me know here on thread that you got it.

Bmore on January 24, 2013 at 11:30 PM

Scrumpy on January 24, 2013 at 11:28 PM

Good..bothered me later.
Never would offend you.
Unlike bmore..I don’t have a i pad thingy to blame it on.
lol ;)

bazil9 on January 24, 2013 at 11:30 PM

Scrumpy on January 24, 2013 at 11:26 PM

I hear you, Scrumpy. Agreed.

Cleombrotus on January 24, 2013 at 11:30 PM

uncommon sense on January 24, 2013 at 11:26 PM

Sorry to hear about your ather..May he RIP..

Dire Straits on January 24, 2013 at 11:31 PM

Women in Combat Stoke Twitter Debate
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The Pentagon’s decision to allow women in combat has elicited some strong and controversial words from opponents of the move.

First, Tucker Carlson. Last night, the Daily Caller publisher tweeted: “Feminism’s latest victory: the right to get your limbs blown off in war. Congratulations.”

This drew some swift criticism on Twitter, and a counterpoint from The Week’s Marc Ambinder, who noted that one woman who lost limbs in combat, Tammy Duckworth, is now serving as a Democrat in the House of Representatives.

Then, Politico reported that Allen West, the former GOP congressman and Army lieutenant colonel, tweeted this morning: “Women in combat billets? Another misconceived lib vision of fairness and equality.”

West is already getting trashed on Twitter by users who took offense. After the controversial remarks made by Newt Gingrich in the mid-1990s and Rick Santorum last year, it’s no surprise that the Pentagon’s decision is stirring debate.
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http://news.yahoo.com/women-combat-stoke-twitter-debate-182215761–abc-news-politics.html

canopfor on January 24, 2013 at 11:31 PM

bazil9 on January 24, 2013 at 11:30 PM

Most welcome hon!

Scrumpy on January 24, 2013 at 11:31 PM

On my prayer list scrump.
we luvs you.
Where is tig? curled up with ya?

bazil9 on January 24, 2013 at 11:31 PM

uncommon sense on January 24, 2013 at 11:26 PM

Sorry to hear about your Father..May he RIP..

Dire Straits on January 24, 2013 at 11:31 PM

..

Dire Straits on January 24, 2013 at 11:32 PM

So far out of three threads on this topic I have not seen one good reason for this decision to be taken. So help me out a wee bit. Why?

Bmore on January 24, 2013 at 10:41 PM

Because…shut up! he explained. :)

It’s politically correct…so it must be done.

The only women who are pushing for this are officers who believe that they can’t ever be on the Joint Chiefs of Staff if they don’t have a combat command.

Not actual combat, as in being shot at…but command over units that she can order into combat. And, if a few girls get killed in the process of her career advancement…it’s all for a good cause.

Solaratov on January 24, 2013 at 11:32 PM

Bmore on January 24, 2013 at 11:30 PM

I hope that I run into you one day. Maybe have a cold one. You have a good soul.

KCB on January 24, 2013 at 11:32 PM

Now here is a humongous hug for everyone!!

{{{HUGS}}}

Scrumpy on January 24, 2013 at 11:33 PM

KCB on January 24, 2013 at 11:32 PM

One of these days I hope. I’ll buy the first round. Did you get the address?

Bmore on January 24, 2013 at 11:33 PM

For Rubio, the question is a no-brainer. “Women already are in combat to begin with. We should be putting our best soldiers forward regardless of their gender,” Rubio spokesman Alex Conant said Thursday evening.

Thank you for your opinion General PC Rubio. Now go sit down.

VorDaj on January 24, 2013 at 11:34 PM

bazil9 on January 24, 2013 at 11:31 PM
I wish! he is being an alley cat, he’s roaming the wilds of the apt complex…

His previous owner basically threw him out and now he cries to go out, but he knows where he lives now!! Ty for asking :-)

Scrumpy on January 24, 2013 at 11:34 PM

SWalker on January 24, 2013 at 11:18 PM

Very nice tune..:)

Dire Straits on January 24, 2013 at 11:34 PM

I can blame my meds for making me loopy!! ;-P…

Scrumpy on January 24, 2013 at 11:18 PM

I’m with you sister. :) why i am a kook. ;)

bazil9 on January 24, 2013 at 11:22 PM

Here here!

Jackalope on January 24, 2013 at 11:35 PM

Bmore on January 24, 2013 at 11:33 PM

No sir. It was not left for me. Such things need to be honored.

KCB on January 24, 2013 at 11:35 PM

KCB on January 24, 2013 at 11:32 PM

One of these days I hope. I’ll buy the first round. Did you get the address?

Bmore on January 24, 2013 at 11:33 PM

Snicker snicker… <—- carefully says nothing… ;p

SWalker on January 24, 2013 at 11:35 PM

@Scrumpy lol

tommy71 on January 24, 2013 at 11:35 PM

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