If the 50 million fetus had come to term, what then? Would people willingly support them? Would they just be part of an underclass? And what of the mothers who really are the ultimate payee?

As to the middle class, well, it is their choice and it is on their head not mine. I would also say that we have here a rational self-judgment.

Now Ireland has to face its own Roe moment. Let’s hope they choose more wisely than we did, as the 55 million human lives lost here to the principle of abortion-on-demand should attest.

I suppose it’s unfair to expect Ed to be caught up on the political situation in Ireland, but he could at least do some research before hitting the keyboard. To start, any article about the current abortion debate in Ireland that doesn’t bother to mention the Savita case is basically bloggerly malpractice and a disservice to the reader. Savita is the context. This is all about the Savita case, which is pretty much the biggest news item in Ireland of the last several years. Every man, woman, and dog in Ireland knows of and has an opinion on the case.

Secondly, this is nothing like a “Roe moment”. Whatever legislation is introduced will be to clarify the law for doctors on when it is permissible to terminate a pregnancy when the health of the mother is at risk. There is no legislative proposal to introduce on-demand abortion, or anything of the sort, and Ireland is still a long way from that culturally and politically. Arguably it’s already legal to perform a termination if the mother’s life is in danger, but no-one’s really sure exactly what the legal situation is, hence the need for the clarifying legislation. So, nothing whatsoever like a “Roe moment”, I’m sure you’ll be glad to learn.

Are you really pretending that this type of circumstance defines what is accepted, legally, as “health of the mother?” That is a lie, and the propagation of that lie and others like it is what eliminates the possibility of meaningful and rational debate and policy resolution.

besser tot als rot on January 24, 2013 at 4:08 PM

I work in this area,her ‘waters’ ruptured at 17 weeks and was miscarrying.Most cases are due to maternal infection which gets worse when your waters go.Like this patient they can go septic very quickly from infected membranes,if they don’t respond to antibiotic’s it’s unsafe to await miscarriage.
That is what they had to do,they couldn’t induce the pregnancy due to the mother’s condition because of the abortion laws so had to wait until she miscarried, by then she was in muti-organ failure and died

Ed Morrissey on January 24, 2013 at 5:47 PM

Don’t waste your time with him Ed, he’s a devout for his cause. He is neither capable of understanding or forgiveness.

Does Ireland have an immigration policy whereby Ireland get’s to decide whom they allow to immigrate and whom they exclude from immigration?

Well, citizens of any EU member state are entitled to take up residence in any other EU member state. (There were a lot of eastern european immigrants during the boom years.) For non-EU countries, applications for work/residency permits are basically dealt with on a case-by-case basis. Certainly, highly educated individuals such as Savita and her husband would breeze through the process. So, to answer your question, yes, it’s a selective process.

Dante on January 24, 2013 at 5:38 PM

Imagine, if you will, a commenter who doesn’t pay attention enough to know that the blogger endorsed the most pro-life candidate in the primary with any prayer of winning it, and then had to make a choice between a moderately pro-life Republican and an abortion-rights absolutist like Barack Obama. And, by the way, who knew that abortion wasn’t going to be the make-or-break issue in the election.

When you pull your head out of your ass, maybe you can check that out, eh?

Levinite on January 24, 2013 at 3:09 PM

Nope, you’re not a xenophobe, you’re just a racist. What the hell is wrong with you? Why wouldn’t we have been happy to welcome her in Ireland? The woman was a dentist, and her husband an engineer. It’s fairly unusual on this site to see such blatant, open bigotry like that, but hey, I guess it’s still out there.

zarathustra on January 24, 2013 at 5:04 PM

A question for you my Irish cousin, since I genuinely do not know. Does Ireland have an immigration policy whereby Ireland get’s to decide whom they allow to immigrate and whom they exclude from immigration?

Sadly here in the United States once you physically get into the United States whether legally or not, there is always somebody here willing to put up a fight to ensure that you are allowed to stay.

I’m no Xenophobe, but why is someone with the name Savita Halappanavar even in Ireland? Do they promote chain migration from the Indian subcontinent in Ireland the same way that they do in the USA?

Statists usually promote indiscriminate migration for one reason only: to subvert and/or debase the society’s own cultures/traditions.

Levinite on January 24, 2013 at 3:09 PM

Nope, you’re not a xenophobe, you’re just a racist. What the hell is wrong with you? Why wouldn’t we have been happy to welcome her in Ireland? The woman was a dentist, and her husband an engineer. It’s fairly unusual on this site to see such blatant, open bigotry like that, but hey, I guess it’s still out there.

Here are the details:

Date: Saturday January 26, 2013

Locaton: Civic Center Plaza, San Francisco, CA

Schedule:

10:45am – 12:15pm Silent No More Awareness Campaign

11:00am – 12:30pm Info Faire

12:30pm – 1:30pm Walk for Life Rally

1:30pm – Walk to Justin Herman Plaza (a little over a mile on a flat route)

Speakers include:

Lacey Buchanan, Elaine Riddick, Rev. Clenard Childress. and Kelly and Matthew Clinger

Check out the website for more information and video from Walks in past years.

http://www.walkforlifewc.com/event-info/event-schedule/

In 2012, an estimated 40,000 pro-life people joined the Walk in San Francisco.

Counter-protesters from the left have been minimal(maybe 100 scattered along the walk) for the past several years. San Francisco Police protection has always been excellent.

The Walk is an annual event, and it is the only time when conservatives will vastly out number leftists in San Francisco. It is a wonderful sight to behold.

Please come join us and bring friends!

The Church’s lawyers
cam2 on January 24, 2013 at 4:04 PM

And they are right. That is what the law says. We think the law is wrong and should be changed. Is that what everyone posting about this “hypocrisy” is in favor of?

Perhaps Ireland’s success in this area is an outcome of treating women holistically as women, rather than as androgynous humans who happen to be cursed at the moment by fertility. That’s certainly Dr. de Foite’s argument, which was bolstered by Pat Gohn, who celebrated her innate maternal nature in the Washington Post this week (via Deacon Greg):

In my experience, women’s health care in the U.S. is usually defined by 3 blocks:
1. For God’s sake, don’t get pregnant. Here, condom. Here, birth control pills. Here, IUD. Here, abortion. Menses problems? Here, birth control pills. Acne? Here, birth control pills. PMS? Here, birth control pills. What? You don’t want hormonal birth control? Can’t help, sorry.
2. You want to get pregnant now? Here, fertility drugs. Here, Chlomid. Here, test tubes and turkey basters.
3. Done? Hysterectomy.

What I wouldn’t give to have had a doctor that would have treated me and my PCOS in my early twenties so that when I finally got married and am trying to have kids in my thirties it wouldn’t be so hard. My current doctor is great, but for at least 10 years, no doctor would help me after saying I didn’t want to take the pill.

This is ‘health of the mother’

mags on January 24, 2013 at 3:57 PM

Are you really pretending that this type of circumstance defines what is accepted, legally, as “health of the mother?” That is a lie, and the propagation of that lie and others like it is what eliminates the possibility of meaningful and rational debate and policy resolution.

Catholic Hospital Argues Fetuses Are Not People In Malpractice Suit

How does this make any sense?

SnarkVader on January 24, 2013 at 3:16 PM

The Church: A fetus is a human life — except when it would cost us money. Similar to the Church’s position on child sexual abuse by priests. (And yes, I’m Catholic.)

Same thing that’s wrong with the Republicans.

Doomberg on January 24, 2013 at 4:00 PM

RINOs in Ireland, I guess.

Who speaks for those unborn babies literally without a voice?
YOU DO!

Planned Parenthood abortion mills pepper our states, cities, and townships from sea to shining sea like 7-11′s. Your one stop shop for the legalized taxpayer subsidized Homicide of utterly defenseless human-beings. Over half a BILLION dollars in taxpayer subsidies – and MILLIONS of dollars of that ends up in the campaign coffers of America loathing reprobate Democrats.

Planned Parenthood received a record $542 million in taxpayer dollars for 2011-2012 by way of government grants, contracts, and Medicaid reimbursements.

That amounts to almost half of all Planned Parenthood’s budget. That’s right – Planned Parenthood’s Abortion Murder Mills in America is a BILLION dollars a year booming industry. And the taxes you are forced to pay to your Government funds over a half BILLION dollars worth of it.

And of those 55 MILLION+ people over the last few decades who were murdered in the womb – or [moments after abortion failure] outside of the womb – we will never know how many of them would have been discoverers, innovators, rocket scientists, genius researchers who could have found the cure for cancer and a myriad of inevitably curable medical conditions that needs only one exceptional person to make one small discovery to render the cure(s) a manifest reality, etcetera ad nauseam.

No. The manifest reality is – Murder On Demand.

” Let me be clear. I’ve got two daughters. I am going to teach them first of all about values and morals.

But if they make a mistake, I don’t want them ‘ punished ‘ with a ‘ baby ‘. “
~Presidential Candidate – Senator Barack Hussein Obama [APR 2008]

 
Period. End of story.

Fine Gael is a center right, Christian Democracy party; what in the world is wrong with them?

IR-MN on January 24, 2013 at 2:58 PM

Same thing that’s wrong with the Republicans.

Irish women travel here for abortion’s.It’s their own doctors that refer them saying this is what they have both decided is the best option but because of the law they are unable to do this.
Those having abortions for fetal abnormality including incompatible with life have to leave their families during this traumatic time and don’t benefit from the post procedure support given here and unavailable in Ireland.
Nobody should sit in judgement of these women

Levinite on January 24, 2013 at 3:09 PM

I’m no Xenophobe, but why is someone with the name Savita Halappanavar even in Ireland?

I think you should rethink that statement and what has that got to do with it,just awful

For the win!

xblade on January 24, 2013 at 3:44 PM

ROTFL – I probably should have ignored it but my patience is so thin this week. :)

Every abortion has a victim. But your head is too thick to get that.

22044

For the win!