Biden on assault weapons: You’re more likely to hit someone with a shotgun, you know

posted at 4:31 pm on January 24, 2013 by Allahpundit

Via the Examiner, I … did not expect that the argument for gun control might come down to a comparative discussion of which gun you’re better off using to bring a man down. (Counterarguments for semiautomatic rifles: What if you fire the shotgun and miss? Isn’t a rifle better at longer range?) But don’t be too hard on him. Feinstein’s assault-weapons ban, which would in theory “dry up the supply” of AWs in a few hundred years when America’s current inventory finally rusts over, is headed down the toilet in the Senate and Biden knows it. That’s why he emphasized banning high-capacity magazines today instead of banning assault weapons. The point of Feinstein’s big AWB rollout and the various appearances by prominent Dems in support of it is to put pressure on Blue Dogs like Mary Landrieu and Joe Manchin to fall in line in the Senate. The White House is okay with the ban being filibustered on a party-line vote; that gives them an opportunity to blame the GOP in the midterms for hating The Children or whatever. They’re not okay with this bill going down in flames with lots of defections from centrist Democrats. Today’s push is really more of an intraparty squabble than an interparty one.

So what have we learned from Democrats this afternoon? Several things:

• According to Biden, having armed guards in schools would be a terrible mistake. I think it’s more accurate to say it’d be a terrible waste of money and manpower, but the public disagrees with both of us. ABC/WaPo’s new poll this morning shows 55 percent support for the idea, including 65 percent of Republicans. In fact, Republicans are open to a host of gun-control proposals — more background checks, a federal database of gun sales, even a ban on high-capacity mags. Once you attach Obama’s name to the policy package, though, GOP support collapses to just 21 percent overall. David Frum warned Democrats about letting The One polarize this issue by taking the lead on it. Too late.

• Per Dick Durbin, this isn’t merely “an issue of Constitution, it’s an issue of conscience.” If Feinstein’s bill somehow passes and ends up before SCOTUS, look for the Court’s liberal wing to uphold it under the famous “Issue of Conscience” exception to the Bill of Rights.

• New Connecticut Sen. Chris Murphy has returned from an alternate dimension in which Feinstein’s bill passed last year and somehow saved some of Adam Lanza’s victims. Why he’s confident about that, I don’t know; the great what-if hanging over debates about banning guns is what a lunatic might choose to do if forced to go to plan B. In Lanza’s case, you don’t need to speculate: He did his killing with a Bushmaster but he had a Glock 10mm and a Sig Sauer 9mm on him. (Police also found a shotgun in his car.) I’m not sure why anyone thinks he would have killed fewer people using the pistols instead of the Bushmaster. And correct me if I’m wrong, gun aficionados, but neither of those models is prohibited under Feinstein’s new ban. Here’s the list. The Sig Sauer P556 is listed but that’s distinct from the 9mm, no? Banning high-capacity magazines, as Feinstein aspires to do, might have reduced the death toll in Newtown by forcing Lanza to take more time to reload but I don’t see how taking the Bushmaster out of his hands changes things materially if he’s still got the Glock and Sig Sauer. And Feinstein’s ban would only apply to future sales, not to guns that are already in circulation, so unless Lanza’s mother bought her guns after the hypothetical date of enactment, her son would still have access to them. As is true of any other future would-be killer, who’ll simply buy his guns from the country’s gigantic existing inventory if a ban on manufacturing went into effect.

Exit question: Who wants to be the one to tell Biden that certain shotgun models are also on Feinstein’s list?


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You’re more likely to hit someone with a stupid stick, Mr. Biden. Especially since yours is so large.

Archivarix on January 24, 2013 at 4:33 PM

Lucky for him that shooting off his mouth isn’t a crime.

Drained Brain on January 24, 2013 at 4:33 PM

heh.
Tips

nice one, allah…lolz.

ted c on January 24, 2013 at 4:34 PM

Exit question: Who wants to be the one to tell Biden that certain shotgun models are also on Feinstein’s list?

Me, me, me!

rbj on January 24, 2013 at 4:35 PM

In Lanza’s case, you don’t need to speculate: He did his killing with a Bushmaster but he had a Glock 10mm and a Sig Sauer 9mm on him. (Police also found a shotgun in his car.) I’m not sure why anyone thinks he would have killed fewer people using the pistols instead of the Bushmaster.

And dude’s victims were almost all grade school kids. He wasn’t gonna get much resistance from them had he been forced to stop and reload which is probably why he chose a place like that to carry out his rampage.

Doughboy on January 24, 2013 at 4:36 PM

Shot doesn’t scatter all that much so you really wouldn’t be more likely to hit your target and the scattering reduces the power of the shot so you wouldn’t be safer either, wrong on both counts joey.

clearbluesky on January 24, 2013 at 4:37 PM

I like shotguns, but I think an AR might be easier to operate???

I’ve only shot a shotgun a couple of times, and without a lot of practice, I’d have trouble getting 2 or 3 shots out in a timely manner. They’re very long, and you have to extend your arm out pretty far to load the next shot.

If only they made semi-automatic shotguns…. wait, they do, and Difi wants to ban em.

El_Terrible on January 24, 2013 at 4:37 PM

look for the Court’s liberal wing to uphold it under the famous “Issue of Conscience” exception to the Bill of Rights.

– AP

They’ll find it, you know.

Jabberwock on January 24, 2013 at 4:38 PM

Lucky for him that shooting off his mouth isn’t a crime.

Drained Brain on January 24, 2013 at 4:33 PM

His rap sheet would make Charlie Manson, Ted Bundy, and Bernie Madoff look like pikers.

Paul-Cincy on January 24, 2013 at 4:38 PM

The libs are trying to tell us what we NEED. It is not their business what I need. If I own a weapon, it’s MY CHOICE which one I use, and for what purpose.

portlandon on January 24, 2013 at 4:39 PM

You’re more likely to hit someone with a shotgun, you know


Not at 300 yards, you village idiot.

If you really know guns, what is interesting are the ones missing from the Nazis Democrats list.

Ah well, mum’s the word.

PolAgnostic on January 24, 2013 at 4:40 PM

Most double barrel shotguns the break action type which means that you get two shots and then have to reload. I guess that is a liberals dream if they can’t revert back to Sharps style breach loaders.

Best make darn sure you don’t miss with those two shots, or you’re REALLY fast at reloading with your bandoleer…wait, those will probably be outlawed too, the shotgun’s version of large capacity magazines.

Mo_mac on January 24, 2013 at 4:40 PM

In fact, Republicans Democrats pretending to be Republicans, RINO’s and Squishy Moderates are open to a host of gun-control proposals

Fixed that to reflect reality.

SWalker on January 24, 2013 at 4:40 PM

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Man. There’s a whole lot of stupid to go around from the left today.

Something in the water?

Good Lt on January 24, 2013 at 4:42 PM

Folks, let us hope that the communists led by Obama waste all their political capital on the gun grabbing fight… The political cost for them will be very huge and they will not even get any assault weapon ban…

mnjg on January 24, 2013 at 4:42 PM

Exit question: Who wants to be the one to tell Biden that certain shotgun models are also on Feinstein’s list?

Ha! Nicely done Allah! Great read!

Bmore on January 24, 2013 at 4:43 PM

Double Barrel Shot Gun = 2 shots.

AR Rifle = Many shots.

For protection, I’ll take an AR, thank you very much.

portlandon on January 24, 2013 at 4:43 PM

Good grief. Sheriff Joe has watched way too many movies. A standard issue shotgun will print a pattern that is about 1.5″ in diameter at 10′. It will not shoot a cone of death and destruction in the general direction of an assailant and obliterate everything in his general area like you see on TV. You still have to aim and hit your target. This is why people started sawing them off…

stvnscott on January 24, 2013 at 4:44 PM

If I was a feeble unfocused gin-abuser like Biden…my weapon of choice for home defense WOULD BE a 12 gauge semi-auto shotgun with an 18″ barrel – birdshot in the shells.

The useless old sh!t could spray shot from the hip and at least hit something.

lol…I agree with Biden (when it comes to Biden) on this issue.

Shows a little self-awareness.

Tim_CA on January 24, 2013 at 4:44 PM

Quite possibly one of the dumbest things this imbicile has uttered and hat says a lot. A double barreled shot gun? Really? Two shots and archaic reloading as apposed to modern rifles with 30 shots? Ill tell you what Biden, you keep your shotgun, ill keep my rifle and in the event of a disaster, well see who survives a mob of Obamabot takers coming to loot my house and kill my family.

Jacka$$.

jawkneemusic on January 24, 2013 at 4:47 PM

“Banning guns is an idea whose time has come.”

– Senator Joseph Biden, Associated Press, 18 November 1993

“Beretta Biden” Is A Gun Banner

Resist We Much on January 24, 2013 at 4:52 PM

I’m pretty sure this is an MSM talking point (or misinterpretation thereof), so he probably got this wisdom from a journalist, not a gun-owner.

calbear on January 24, 2013 at 4:54 PM

look for the Court’s liberal wing to uphold it under the famous “Issue of Conscience” exception to the Bill of Rights.
– AP

They’ll find it, you know.

Jabberwock on January 24, 2013 at 4:38 PM

See also: Constitution, Penumbras.

Lily on January 24, 2013 at 4:54 PM

i really hope he becomes the dem nominee. =D

Sachiko on January 24, 2013 at 4:55 PM

The Sig Sauer P556 is listed but that’s distinct from the 9mm, no?

Yes, the P556 is not a 9mm. Funny how she names that one, but leaves off the P516 and the P522. Perhaps the 516 is covered under the “all AR-15 types” provision, but the 522 is not. Yeah. OK. It’s only a .22LR, but it is plenty scary looking and deadly at close range with the right ammo.

Banning high (standard, really) capacity magazines will do nothing. If he had not been able to use 30 round magazines, he would have taped two 10 rounders together and stuffed more in his pockets.

Without the Bushmaster, he would have done just as much damage with the handguns. Reloading literally takes only 2 seconds when you don’t care about the magazine you just dropped.

stvnscott on January 24, 2013 at 4:56 PM

What if I use slugs in my Mossberg Mr. Retard?

Mr. Arrogant on January 24, 2013 at 4:57 PM

Like my 5-round pump shotgun that would be banned because it has a pistol grip (which is easier on my arthritic had)? That kind of shotgun, Meathead?

michaelo on January 24, 2013 at 4:57 PM

The P556 is on the list because it is a mini-cousin of the eeevil AR-15 — it shoots the same round, & looks like a shrunk-down version without a stock. Nothing makes it inherently more dangerous than any other pistol, though, and it’s probably less accurate due to the higher powered round.

zerosheep on January 24, 2013 at 4:59 PM

Gosh.. Biden is such an incredible idiot.

BTW,why is he let near guns at all? Bozo might end up hurting himself or others.

Illinidiva on January 24, 2013 at 5:00 PM

Gun Control is part of the culture war between self-reliant people and dependent people.

Elites are part of the “dependent” group. The “rich” are helpless to varying degrees without their servants. The “intellectual elite”, the academics, media, bloggers etc aspire to the same level of dependency as the “rich” after all they’re “intellectually superior” so shouldn’t they have servants too.

When Wayne LaPierre stated the obvious: “The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun.” He wasn’t saying that the only answer to this problem was the creation of another “priest class” of servants to pander to our desire to be dependent. He laid out the general solution to the problem, knowing that the optimal solution was going to engender even more whining.

” having armed guards in schools” was the Media spin on La Pierre’s statements. The History teacher with the CCW, the Vice Principal with the CCW, etc provide the same “good guy with a gun” that La Pierre suggested. But the Media, ever trying to negate any idea that doesn’t conform to their goals focused on only one part of La Pierre’s statement.

We all look at the world through the lens of our biases. Those of us who are self-reliant and strive to be have one view and tend toward one set of solutions. The dependent, including the “intellectual elite” prefer “guild” oriented solutions.

CrazyGene on January 24, 2013 at 5:00 PM

“Banning guns is an idea whose time has come.”

– Senator Joseph Biden, Associated Press, 18 November 1993
.

Resist We Much on January 24, 2013 at 4:52 PM

.
Banning sorry-assed politicians “is an idea whose time has come.”

listens2glenn on January 24, 2013 at 5:01 PM

Joe Biden: Armed Guards In Schools Would Be A Terrible Mistake

Hmmm… That’s very strange, Sheriff Joe, because you voted FOR the Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act of 1994 a/k/a the Assault Weapons Ban a/k/a The Prohibition On Certain Guns With Cosmetic Changes That Make Them Look Skeery And Are Painted Skeery (And Racist!) Black Act of 1994, which created the Community Oriented Policing Services (COPS), which put police officers in schools acting as “armed guards.”

Resist We Much on January 24, 2013 at 5:01 PM

Banning sorry-assed politicians “is an idea whose time has come.”

listens2glenn on January 24, 2013 at 5:01 PM

Damn right. We need more POLITICIAN CONTROL than gun control.

Resist We Much on January 24, 2013 at 5:03 PM

If accuracy isn’t important then perhaps we should resort to loading the silverware into a blunderbuss.

Isn’t one of the liberal arguments that innocent bystanders may be hit when someone uses a gun for self-defense? How does that square with using a shotgun instead of a more precise rifle?

I can tell you, I have been hit numerous times by bird shot while pheasant hunting. I have never been hit by rifle fire while deer hunting.

weaselyone on January 24, 2013 at 5:03 PM

El_Terrible on January 24, 2013 at 4:37 PM

Little recoil too.

jawkneemusic on January 24, 2013 at 5:05 PM

famous “Issue of Conscience” exception to the Bill of Rights.

they would find it if they needed it.

rob verdi on January 24, 2013 at 5:06 PM

CrazyGene on January 24, 2013 at 5:00 PM

This. The left has declared an full on War On Independence. The right needs to coin this term and repeat it daily.

jawkneemusic on January 24, 2013 at 5:09 PM

FYI for fellow Texans

Texas HB 700 for open carry filed today.

TxAnn56 on January 24, 2013 at 5:09 PM

As for how much time would added to say 5 magazines for 50 rounds as opposed to 3? Watch these guys on a standard drill. these are NOT some sort of experts or record holders:

michaelo on January 24, 2013 at 5:09 PM

Well let us hope not any kid in school makes the ‘gun’ finger dear joe did! They would be hauled off by the cops, expelled from school, and had a doctor deal with the kid and family!
L

letget on January 24, 2013 at 5:10 PM

meh, it’ll hurt the democrats more for pushing against a popular issue like gun freedom. I dont see how you’re seeing this is an advantage to them allah

Flapjackmaka on January 24, 2013 at 5:11 PM

I can tell you, I have been hit numerous times by bird shot while pheasant hunting.

weaselyone on January 24, 2013 at 5:03 PM

lol…NEVER hunt downrange from teenagers or flatlanders.

(old advice from my pops)

Tim_CA on January 24, 2013 at 5:12 PM

Two-thirds of U.S. weapons owners would ‘defy’ a federal gun ban
http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog/watercooler/2013/jan/20/two-thirds-us-weapons-owners-would-defy-federal-gu/

Question 46 in the wide-ranging survey of more than 1,000 registered voters asks if there is a gun in the household. Overall, 52 percent of the respondents said yes, someone in their home owned a gun. That number included 65 percent of Republicans, 59 percent of conservatives, 38 percent of Democrats and 41 percent of liberals.

But on to Question 47, addressed to those with a gun in their home: “If the government passed a law to take your guns, would you give up your guns or defy the law and keep your guns?”

The response: 65 percent reported they would “defy the law.” That incudes 70 percent of Republicans, 68 percent of conservatives, 52 percent of Democrats and 59 percent of liberals.

Colbyjack on January 24, 2013 at 5:15 PM

I can tell you, I have been hit numerous times by bird shot while pheasant hunting.

weaselyone on January 24, 2013 at 5:03 PM

lol…NEVER hunt downrange from teenagers or flatlanders.

(old advice from my pops)

Tim_CA on January 24, 2013 at 5:12 PM

Or drunk friends and relatives… o_O

SWalker on January 24, 2013 at 5:16 PM

Ignore these aholes like Biden. Please.

FlaMurph on January 24, 2013 at 5:16 PM

Colbyjack on January 24, 2013 at 5:15 PM

I’ll believe that when we start hearing about people shooting the cops and federal officers attempting to confiscate their weapons.

SWalker on January 24, 2013 at 5:18 PM

Exit question: Who wants to be the one to tell Biden that certain shotgun models are also on Feinstein’s list?

This is the Biden quote (Politico):

“”Guess what? A shotgun will keep you a lot safer — a double-barreled shotgun — than an assault weapon in somebody’s hands that doesn’t know how to use it, even one who does know how to use it,” the vice president said during during a Google+ Hangout Thursday.

“You know, it’s harder to use an assault weapon to hit something than it is a shotgun, OK. So if you want to keep people away in an earthquake, buy some shotgun shells.”

Biden tells you to buy shotgun shells for earthquake preparation (no less!), he didn’t mention shotguns are on Feinstein’s list.

Sir Napsalot on January 24, 2013 at 5:19 PM

Only if the shotgun you’re using is of an illegal variety with a very shortened barrel.

ButterflyDragon on January 24, 2013 at 5:20 PM

We really dodged a bullet with Sarah Palin, didn’t we?

myiq2xu on January 24, 2013 at 5:21 PM

Of course if Joe made a finger gun (like the one in the photo) at a local school – he’d be suspended.

I think we should still be able to suspend him.

Hill60 on January 24, 2013 at 5:27 PM

SWalker on January 24, 2013 at 5:18 PM

Not necessarily.

Said defiance could just be refusal to register guns for later Confiscation.

There was plenty of that up in Canada before they gave up on the idea.

A little bit of raw land, some 10” PVC pipe with end caps and some scrap metal scattered about may be all it takes to defy the feral government.

Galt2009 on January 24, 2013 at 5:29 PM

SWalker on January 24, 2013 at 5:16 PM

lol…ESPECIALLY them.

Tim_CA on January 24, 2013 at 5:30 PM

Homeland Security Disagrees with Biden

CrazyGene on January 24, 2013 at 5:36 PM

King of the reprobate ignoramuses.

tom daschle concerned on January 24, 2013 at 5:37 PM

Like I’ve heard people say, make all the gun laws you want, Americans aren’t going to obey them any more than they have the ones prohibiting marijuana.

Tax and ban ammo? The black market will fill in the slack.

What gun bans will achieve? Very dangerous careers in law enforcement.

Speakup on January 24, 2013 at 5:39 PM

Price point.

Bmore on January 24, 2013 at 5:45 PM

I do wonder about the wisdom of denouncing Biden as a fool, a dunce, an idiot and so on. Shouldn’t we be referring to him as ‘a leading Democrat’ and ‘a Democratic party standard-bearer’? It would do the Democrats a lot of harm if we could convince people he’s the exemplar and not the exception.

PersonFromPorlock on January 24, 2013 at 5:45 PM

Every damn semi on the road should drive into DC turn off the engines and walk away tossing the keys into the Potomac. Leave every damn road and railway in and out of DC clogged with abandoned 18 wheelers.

Lay siege to these feckless tyrants that think they control every aspect of our lives. Its 300+ million against 535 dingbats. Let them starve to death in the most patriotic siege ever.

tom daschle concerned on January 24, 2013 at 5:50 PM

The saddest thing, I think, is that thought Biden is ignorant of facts and lacking experience he feels place to lecture and pontificate.

Liam on January 24, 2013 at 5:58 PM

Lay siege to these feckless tyrants that think they control every aspect of our lives. Its 300+ million against 535 dingbats. Let them starve to death in the most patriotic siege ever.

tom daschle concerned on January 24, 2013 at 5:50 PM

The problem is that it isn’t 300+ million, but more like 149 million patriots. Still, I say we can take them! ;-)

yubley on January 24, 2013 at 6:00 PM

Michael Swango murdered 60 people using a medical license, maybe we should ban those.

Biden’s “suggestion” is the typical goofy liberal solution to every problem: We’ll all take a vote, and whatever we decide on, that’s what everybody has to do. There’s no accounting for individual situations, individual ability, individual preferences, there is only one solution to the problem of defending yourself against any attacker, and Biden knows what it is.

Being a liberal means never having to say you don’t know. Forget the debt crisis in this country, we could do with a lot more humility in our national leadership.

Socratease on January 24, 2013 at 6:12 PM

Thanks for the tip, Plugs. Since you’ve never worn a uniform of any kind, never actually worked for a living, never shot skeet or hunted, and don’t know your ass from a hole in the ground…I’ll keep my own counsel on guns.

But thanks.

Jaibones on January 24, 2013 at 6:13 PM

Sounds like GOP will cave on magazine capacity as well as universal database and background checks, all pre-requisites to confiscations. Not a peep out of them at this point.

riddick on January 24, 2013 at 6:19 PM

”“You know, it’s harder to use an assault weapon to hit something than it is a shotgun, OK. So if you want to keep people away in an earthquake, buy some shotgun shells.”

Sir Napsalot on January 24, 2013 at 5:19 PM

Then why in he!! do you mental midgets think they are so darn dangerous that they have to be banned?
(question to BiteMe, not you Sir Naps – thanks for the quote)

dentarthurdent on January 24, 2013 at 6:21 PM

Sounds like GOP will cave on magazine capacity as well as universal database and background checks, all pre-requisites to confiscations. Not a peep out of them at this point.

riddick on January 24, 2013 at 6:19 PM

No need to peep and make themselves a media target- the votes really aren’t there. Best to lie low and let the Dem defectors draw the fire.

/all punnery intended.

M240H on January 24, 2013 at 6:28 PM

I’m not sure why anyone thinks he would have killed fewer people using the pistols instead of the Bushmaster.

The worst school shooting in American history(VTech) was carried out with 2 handguns, a Glock 19 and a Walther P22. One used a 15 round magazine, the other a 10 round magazine.

xblade on January 24, 2013 at 6:32 PM

I’ve only shot a shotgun a couple of times, and without a lot of practice, I’d have trouble getting 2 or 3 shots out in a timely manner. They’re very long, and you have to extend your arm out pretty far to load the next shot.

If only they made semi-automatic shotguns….

As you point out, they do indeed make semi-auto shotguns. Also hacksaws and tubing cutters.

From what I read, many people who want a defensive shotgun around their property simply buy a good, off-the-shelf semi-auto and have a smith cut the barrel down to 1/2″ over the legal minimum…although you can do it yourself if you can live with the raw cut.

I recently saw an article about a lady at a range going through her first shotgun drills with a 5-shot semi-auto 20-gauge. The drill was simple: Wait for the target to pop up. Acquire the target. Shoot it five times.

Her first effort: just under 2 seconds. Second effort: 1.3 seconds, target obliterated.

The current idiocies in circulation remind me of the story about the guy convicted of felony check forgery. He served his time, and of course was forbidden by law to purchase a gun. But he could have all the ball-point pens he wanted, and that’s what got him in trouble in the first place.

Owen Glendower on January 24, 2013 at 6:34 PM

I’ll believe that when we start hearing about people shooting the cops and federal officers attempting to confiscate their weapons.

SWalker on January 24, 2013 at 5:18 PM

I’ve seen more and more county sheriffs and police chiefs across the country coming out saying they WILL NOT enforce federal gun control laws that violate the 2nd Amendment – my own included (El Paso County, CO). There are a lot of places in this country where federal gun confiscators will not be welcomed, and are likely to end up in jail themselves.

dentarthurdent on January 24, 2013 at 6:35 PM

I’ve only shot a shotgun a couple of times, and without a lot of practice, I’d have trouble getting 2 or 3 shots out in a timely manner. They’re very long, and you have to extend your arm out pretty far to load the next shot.

If only they made semi-automatic shotguns…. wait, they do, and Difi wants to ban em.

El_Terrible on January 24, 2013 at 4:37 PM

Mossberg 500 Tactical pump 12 gauge – 18 inch barrel, adjustable stock, pistol grip, 5 round magazine + 1 in the chamber.
I’ve got a mix of 7 shot, 4 shot and 00 buck available.
6 or 7 shot is fairly lethal at short distance and will not penetrate drywall – so good for home defense with family in the house.

If only mine hadn’t fallen in the lake with my AR…….

dentarthurdent on January 24, 2013 at 6:42 PM

Mossberg 500 Tactical pump 12 gauge – 18 inch barrel, adjustable stock, pistol grip, 5 round magazine + 1 in the chamber.
I’ve got a mix of 7 shot, 4 shot and 00 buck available.
6 or 7 shot is fairly lethal at short distance and will not penetrate drywall – so good for home defense with family in the house.

dentarthurdent on January 24, 2013 at 6:42 PM

Can you recommend something similar in 20 gauge? I’m a wimp.

Owen Glendower on January 24, 2013 at 6:54 PM

The worst school shooting in American history(VTech) was carried out with 2 handguns, a Glock 19 and a Walther P22. One used a 15 round magazine, the other a 10 round magazine.

xblade on January 24, 2013 at 6:32 PM

Yes, and not only that, but those all were adult men and women, not 6 year olds with a few women. One thing the lefties keep saying about the mag capacity limit is that the victims can tackle the perp while he’s reloading, and that did happen with Jared Loughner.

It didn’t happen at VT, though. Usually, the victims are so busy trying to hide, run or play possum that they aren’t close enough to tackle the perp in the seconds it takes to reload. So yes, handguns are clearly just as potentially deadly as “assault weapons with high capacity magazine clips” in these psycho mass shootings.

juliesa on January 24, 2013 at 7:04 PM

“”Guess what? A shotgun will keep you a lot safer — a double-barreled shotgun — than an assault weapon in somebody’s hands that doesn’t know how to use it, even one who does know how to use it,” the vice president said during during a Google+ Hangout Thursday.

Then why don’t our troops carry double-barreled shotguns instead of rifles, VP Corky McShortbus?

Walter Sobchak on January 24, 2013 at 7:07 PM

Go to hell Biden, You piece ofdogshit.

TX-96 on January 24, 2013 at 7:13 PM

That’s why he emphasized banning high-capacity magazines today instead of banning assault weapons.

I guess the real question is… how much time would Dick Gregory be facing under Biden’s plan?

malclave on January 24, 2013 at 7:15 PM

Banning high-capacity magazines, as Feinstein aspires to do, might have reduced the death toll in Newtown by forcing Lanza to take more time to reload

What’s it take to reload? The 15 minutes it takes for Barney Fife to show? Too much. Will the stupidity never end.

CW on January 24, 2013 at 7:20 PM

And correct me if I’m wrong, gun aficionados, but neither of those models is prohibited under Feinstein’s new ban. Here’s the list. The Sig Sauer P556 is listed but that’s distinct from the 9mm, no?

Quite right. The Sig P556 is basically an AR-15 without the buttstock (and a slightly shorter barrel). The 556 refers to the 5.56 x 45 mm NATO round, the standard for the US military since the 1960s.

Banning high-capacity magazines, as Feinstein aspires to do, might have reduced the death toll in Newtown by forcing Lanza to take more time to reload but I don’t see how taking the Bushmaster out of his hands changes things materially if he’s still got the Glock and Sig Sauer.

Your emphasis on might is correct. Once the first shots were fired, the victims would be running around or trying to hide, which would mean target acquisition would take much more time than reloading. Especially if the perpetrator wasn’t too concerned about keeping the empty magazines, which would seem likely in most suicidal/homicidal rampages.

JackOfClubs on January 24, 2013 at 7:31 PM

Wtf? That list has got to be one of the most irrational things I’ve ever seen. She might as well just say that she wants to ban all firearms of any kind.

Is that even legal? I’m no Constitutional lawyer, but can Congress ban products by specific manufacturers?

Also, anyone can make an AR by themselves. Are they going to try to ban all manufacturing activity of any kind?

This is insane. It is just a hate and totalitarianism campaign.

WhatSlushfund on January 24, 2013 at 7:48 PM

Also, couldn’t manufacturers simply change the name of their companies and their models?

WhatSlushfund on January 24, 2013 at 7:50 PM

Here’s one small example of how easy it is to make an AR:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xvfEEQT5rCM

WhatSlushfund on January 24, 2013 at 7:54 PM

I’m not sure why anyone thinks he would have killed fewer people using the pistols instead of the Bushmaster.

Mmmmaaaannn, I CAN’T wait until some gun company starts selling the Obamamaster. After all, he IS the best spokesman for guns in the history of the United States and it would be most appropriate.

lolz

Resist We Much on January 24, 2013 at 7:58 PM

We really dodged a bullet with Sarah Palin, didn’t we?

myiq2xu on January 24, 2013 at 5:21 PM

Priceless!!!

Yep, I really want some tactical advice from a guy who with disturbing regularity manages to get both his feet in his mouth while his head is up his a$$. This is akin to getting geopolitical advice from Hollywood actors. Which, of course will play well with the LIVs.

ghostwalker1 on January 24, 2013 at 7:59 PM

Mmmmaaaannn, I CAN’T wait until some gun company starts selling the Obamamaster. After all, he IS the best spokesman for guns in the history of the United States and it would be most appropriate.

lolz

Resist We Much on January 24, 2013 at 7:58 PM

Madame of the rapier wit. Please be careful lest it become classified as an ‘assault weapon’.

Having said that, fire at will!!!

ghostwalker1 on January 24, 2013 at 8:06 PM

The jacka$$’ at my local gun store are gouging the hell out of the PMags. They want $75 for a magazine that 3 months ago cost $12.99. I just laughed at them and ask if they realize they’re not banned yet. He wasn’t amused.

jawkneemusic on January 24, 2013 at 8:08 PM

Here’s how easy it is to make a lower receiver using a digital printer:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gumtD18c9Go&feature=player_embedded

WhatSlushfund on January 24, 2013 at 8:11 PM

United States v. Miller 1939. Miller possessed a sawed-off shotgun banned under the National Firearms Act. He argued that he had a right to bear the weapon under the Second Amendment, but the Supreme Court ruled against him. Why? At the time, sawed-off shotguns were not being used in a military application, and the Supremes ruled that since it didn’t, it was not protected. Even though Miller lost that argument, the Miller case set the precedent that protected firearms have a military, and thus a legitimate and protected Militia use. The military now uses shotguns regularly, but not very short, sawed-off shotguns, but an AR-15/AK-47 type weapon is currently in use by the military, therefore it is a protected weapon for the Unorganized Militia, which includes just about every American citizen now that both age and sex discrimination are illegal. (The original Militia included men of age 17-45) Therefore any firearm that is applicable to military use is clearly protected under Article II, and that includes all those nasty-looking semi-automatic black rifles, including full 30 round magazines.

J_Crater on January 24, 2013 at 8:22 PM

Biden, like John Kerry, doesn’t know a damned thing about “guns”. And I seriously doubt either of them even own one.

GarandFan on January 24, 2013 at 8:24 PM

My greatest shock-statement is at 4:15 (time-coded here) where he acknowledged that Assault Weapons are responsible for a smaller portion of murders, and turns that into a question of “what are they good for [if not killing people?!?]?”.

Huh?

CLaFarge on January 24, 2013 at 8:27 PM

John Bad Elk v. United States from 1900. In that case, an attempt was made to arrest Mr. Bad Elk without probable cause, and Mr. Bad Elk killed a policeman who was attempting the false arrest. Bad Elk had been found guilty and sentenced to death. However, the Supreme Court ruled that Bad Elk had the right to use any force, including lethal force, to prevent his false arrest, even if the policeman was only trying to arrest him and not kill him. Basically, the Supremes of the day ruled that as a citizen, you have the right to defend against your civil rights being violated using ANY force necessary to prevent the violation, even if the offending party isn’t trying to kill you.

J_Crater on January 24, 2013 at 8:34 PM

Can you recommend something similar in 20 gauge? I’m a wimp.

Owen Glendower on January 24, 2013 at 6:54 PM

Mossberg makes the same gun in 20 Gauge. Same stock, same size, same everything.

Solaratov on January 24, 2013 at 8:42 PM

My greatest shock-statement is at 4:15 (time-coded here) where he acknowledged that Assault Weapons are responsible for a smaller portion of murders, and turns that into a question of “what are they good for [if not killing people?!?]?”.

Huh?

CLaFarge on January 24, 2013 at 8:27 PM

I’m starting to think Biden and others are starting to lose their minds. That whole bit made zero sense.

jawkneemusic on January 24, 2013 at 8:43 PM

The jacka$$’ at my local gun store are gouging the hell out of the PMags. They want $75 for a magazine that 3 months ago cost $12.99. I just laughed at them and ask if they realize they’re not banned yet. He wasn’t amused.

jawkneemusic on January 24, 2013 at 8:08 PM

http://www.themakogroup.com/

Plenty of magazines. NOT being scalped.

Slow delivery because of demand.

Solaratov on January 24, 2013 at 8:48 PM

Biden on assault weapons: You’re more likely to hit someone with a shotgun, you know

Maybe our next president…sheesh.

On the other hand, it would be a natural regressive sequence I suppose.

Dr. ZhivBlago on January 24, 2013 at 9:49 PM

The jacka$$’ at my local gun store are gouging the hell out of the PMags. They want $75 for a magazine that 3 months ago cost $12.99. I just laughed at them and ask if they realize they’re not banned yet. He wasn’t amused.

jawkneemusic on January 24, 2013 at 8:08 PM

Gouging?

Free enterprise/supply and demand.

Dr. ZhivBlago on January 24, 2013 at 9:49 PM

Biden, like John Kerry, doesn’t know a damned thing about “guns”. And I seriously doubt either of them even own one.

GarandFan on January 24, 2013 at 8:24 PM

Surely you jest…

Jaibones on January 24, 2013 at 9:58 PM

http://www.themakogroup.com/
Plenty of magazines. NOT being scalped.
Slow delivery because of demand.

Solaratov on January 24, 2013 at 8:48 PM

I’ve got 10 ordered – still waiting since 3 Jan.
$18.70 each plus S&H for the metal 30 rounders.

dentarthurdent on January 24, 2013 at 10:35 PM

Gouging?
Free enterprise/supply and demand.

Dr. ZhivBlago on January 24, 2013 at 9:49 PM

I’d agree with the gouging assessment.
But anyone dumb enough to buy them at that price is a sucker.
I just bought a 40 round 7.62 x 39 mag from a local store for $42 in addition to the mags I mentioned above.
I passed up on a chance to get a bunch of used 30 round AR mags for $20 each a week ago – I should have grabbed them – they were all gone the next day.

dentarthurdent on January 24, 2013 at 10:40 PM

Can you recommend something similar in 20 gauge? I’m a wimp.
Owen Glendower on January 24, 2013 at 6:54 PM

Mossberg makes the same gun in 20 Gauge. Same stock, same size, same everything.

Solaratov on January 24, 2013 at 8:42 PM

What he said…..

dentarthurdent on January 24, 2013 at 10:41 PM

Well, Biden’s correct about it being easier to hit a person in a home defense situation with a shotgun then with a rifle. Shotguns are probably the best home defense weapon. If you get an automatic shotgun with a 30rd drum then you can remodel your home while defending against the SOB, but I digress.

The thing is…ya’ll fell into the trap. You’re allowing Biden, of all people, to out maneuver you. I’m ashamed at you Allah. You let him change the conversation from Gun rights to self defense! Now it’s easier for people on the fence to nod their heads and say, “Why, yes, there is no reason to possess one of those rifles!”. The only real reason to own a firearm, be it a derringer or a rifle, is because the 2nd amendment codifies our right to do so. What legal action we take with that tool is up to us as circumstances dictate.

wolfva on January 25, 2013 at 4:58 AM

One thing the lefties keep saying about the mag capacity limit is that the victims can tackle the perp while he’s reloading, and that did happen with Jared Loughner.

It didn’t happen at VT, though. Usually, the victims are so busy trying to hide, run or play possum that they aren’t close enough to tackle the perp in the seconds it takes to reload. So yes, handguns are clearly just as potentially deadly as “assault weapons with high capacity magazine clips” in these psycho mass shootings.

juliesa on January 24, 2013 at 7:04 PM

You know what you *can* do in the time it takes the perp to reload, though? You can shoot him! While he’s swapping out mags, you can take the time to aim and fire. Because that bullet will close the distance faster than Bruce Jenner, and tackle the perp with as much force as Refrigerator Perry. So, I would be willing to swap a “high-capacity ban” for full open carry and “shall issue” concealed carry in every state. Do it for the children!

GWB on January 25, 2013 at 9:43 AM

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