NBC/WSJ poll: For first time, majority thinks abortion should be legal in all or most cases

posted at 9:31 am on January 22, 2013 by Allahpundit

If you’re hung over from drinking the blues away on Inauguration Day, bad news: It’s time to open another beer. New numbers on the 40th anniversary of Roe:

According to the poll, 54 percent of adults say that abortion should be legal either always or most of the time, while a combined 44 percent said it should be illegal – either with or without exceptions…

In addition, a whopping 70 percent of Americans oppose the Roe v. Wade decision from being overturned, including 57 percent who feel strongly about this…

By comparison, just 24 percent now want the Roe v. Wade decision overturned, including 21 percent who feel strongly about this position.

Much of this change, the NBC/WSJ pollsters say, is coming from African Americans, Latinos and women without college degrees — all of whom increasingly oppose the Supreme Court decision from being overturned.

Before today the highest number NBC/WSJ had recorded for keeping abortion legal in all or most cases was 49 percent in 2008. When you drill down into that data, you find that the number who want abortion legal in all cases — no exceptions, presumably not even for late term — is 31 percent, which is also a new high. Say this for Obama’s new coalition — they elected the right guy.

As for overturning Roe, despite the sturm and drang of Supreme Court confirmation hearings, Americans have never been keen on doing so. Pew’s recent poll on abortion found 63 percent opposed to the idea; in 1992, the number was 60 percent. NBC/WSJ sees a bit more movement over time but support for the status quo has been constant through the years in their data too:

Why the recent uptick? NBC’s pollsters speculate it’s partly a backlash to the Akin/Mourdock rape comments last year, but I don’t know. My sense is that backlashes like that tend to burn out fairly quickly. Obama won and Akin and Mourdock both lost, so the “threat” of a post-Roe world has passed for abortion supporters. I think the likelier explanation, as noted in the excerpt, is changing demographics. Pew published a set of polls a few weeks after the election showing that the 18-to-29 group that got Obama reelected was also the age demographic most supportive of keeping abortion legal in all or most cases. They were also far more likely — 14 points more likely — than any other age group to say that government should do more than that government is doing too much. Imagine their surprise when they find out America can’t pay for the government it has right now.

Now that you’ve digested those numbers, try to digest this one. Exit question: Do these numbers augur the eventual end of SCOTUS confirmation fights over Roe? A newly elected Republican president would be caught between social conservatives in his base, who want the decision overturned, and pretty much the entire rest of the electorate, which doesn’t. Makes me wonder if GOP candidates won’t start veering away from the idea of getting rid of Roe via new appointments and pushing the idea of a Human Life Amendment instead. They could sell it is a true democratic solution, the way the Founders intended, knowing all the while that it hasn’t a prayer of passing.

Update: Almost forgot: If you believe Pew, a majority of the 18-to-29 group that’s now steering the ship of state and that strongly opposes overturning Roe doesn’t know which issue Roe v. Wade actually dealt with.

Update: Life News notes that the poll question is misleading in how it describes the core holding of Roe. Fair enough, but assuming that the question has been similarly worded over time, you’re still seeing support increase since the late 1980s for a ruling that protects abortion within the first three months of pregnancy. And the more generic question, about whether abortion should be legal all or most of the time, has drawn majority support in other polls as well. Scroll through Polling Report’s compilation of data over the past few years. In a Gallup poll conducted last May, 50 percent identified as “pro-life” versus just 41 percent who identified as “pro-choice.” But when asked whether abortion should be legal always or sometimes, 52 percent said it should be legal sometimes and another 21 percent said always. There’s room for some optimism in those numbers — the public may be open to greater restrictions — but there’s a lot of work to be done to build a majority for an outright ban. In fact, maybe this table from Pew is the most daunting of all:


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chumpThreads on January 22, 2013 at 10:35 AM

Die in screaming agony, liberal turd.

MelonCollie on January 22, 2013 at 10:37 AM

If it is a choice; let’s make it an educated one. People need to know what an abortion actually is to make an educated choice.

melle1228 on January 22, 2013 at 10:31 AM

I understand but I just don’t agree. Like the pictures of throat cancer on the smoking packages, I don’t think that people should be forced to see the results so explicitly because I don’t think the specifics add to the discussion. I assume that the vast vast who support a person’s right to have an abortion do not feel that its murder.

Should jurors and judges be forced to watch the execution of those condemned to death? Should those who support capital punished be forced to watch an execution?

segasagez on January 22, 2013 at 10:40 AM

CaptFlood on January 22, 2013 at 10:37 AM

EXCELLENT point!

Men are literally forced out of the discussion even if they have a 50% claim to the child-to-be. In that scenario, short of outright kidnapping the backstabbing skank, you would have absolutely no recourse to stop her.

MelonCollie on January 22, 2013 at 10:40 AM

As it has with gay rights, the tide is turning towards reproductive rights in this country. President Obama is the inspirational figure the current generation sees as a leader on these issues.

The rightists are rapidly becoming irrelevant. The nation will be a better place the faster that happens.

chumpThreads on January 22, 2013 at 10:35 AM

You had better hope a gene is never found for “gayness” because suddenly those “reproductive” rights that you are so fond of will make a mockery of being gay..

melle1228 on January 22, 2013 at 10:40 AM

I have never been able to figure out what was “conservative” about the attempt to use government to impose a minority view of abortion upon the entire nation. Do those of you who consider abortion to be murder really think you’ll be able to find juries of twelve who will unanimously agree with you?

wbcoleman on January 22, 2013 at 10:41 AM

So your gameplan is to not criticize the left’s hideous beliefs? What are you, a GOP senator?

I am not saying stand in front of clinics howling and waving gory signs. That doesn’t work too much. All I am saying is that we TRY to impress on the average abortion supporter what their pet ‘right’ actually involves.

MelonCollie on January 22, 2013 at 10:08 AM

Maybe criticize is the wrong word. Those who support a person’s right to have an abortion are just criticized, they’re demonized.

segasagez on January 22, 2013 at 10:42 AM

Liberals see all-or-nothing. All the possibilities in between aren’t worth their consideration, because they want only their way and none other. To dismiss any idea that comes to some kind of middle ground, they pull up the most bizarre ‘what if’ kinds of situation. Therefor, to refuse to give them everything is never acceptable.

Liam on January 22, 2013 at 10:42 AM

I assume that the vast vast who support a person’s right to have an abortion do not feel that its murder.

And they would be wrong. It is the taking of a innocent human life..


Should jurors and judges be forced to watch the execution of those condemned to death? Should those who support capital punished be forced to watch an execution?

segasagez on January 22, 2013 at 10:40 AM

Yeah because killing an innocent defenseless human is the same thing.//

melle1228 on January 22, 2013 at 10:42 AM

I have never been able to figure out what was “conservative” about the attempt to use government to impose a minority view of abortion slavery upon the entire nation

FIFY

melle1228 on January 22, 2013 at 10:43 AM

xblade on January 22, 2013 at 9:56 AM

I’m a Jr. college drop-out, and I’m against abortion except to save a mother’s life. Period. No other exceptions. NONE!.

annoyinglittletwerp on January 22, 2013 at 10:44 AM

Should jurors and judges be forced to watch the execution of those condemned to death? Should those who support capital punished be forced to watch an execution?

segasagez on January 22, 2013 at 10:40 AM

This may surprise you but I would be perfectly comfortable with having jurors watch the person they sentenced be executed, if the oxygen-waster indeed gets executed before dying of old age in our legal system.

And here’s why: as a way to try and keep citizens who have the guts to sentence someone to death. Meaning you’re not just willing to sit your bum in a sterile, formalized court and say a few words, you’re willing to actually SEE the b@st@rd die.

In the old days the entire community would watch criminals hang because they all had the guts to see it done.

MelonCollie on January 22, 2013 at 10:44 AM

EXCELLENT point!

Men are literally forced out of the discussion even if they have a 50% claim to the child-to-be. In that scenario, short of outright kidnapping the backstabbing skank, you would have absolutely no recourse to stop her.

MelonCollie on January 22, 2013 at 10:40 AM

I’m surprised to hear this. What about personal responsibility? A man made a choice that resulted in some consequence. Physically, the man has no more impact on the situation. Barring a complete ban on abortions, should a man be able to “unilaterally” force a woman to have the baby?

segasagez on January 22, 2013 at 10:44 AM

The rightists are rapidly becoming irrelevant. The nation will be a better place the faster that happens.

chumpThreads on January 22, 2013 at 10:35 AM

…well then!…I guess it’s time to T R O L L C O T you dumbphucks…so we can be irrelevant by ourselves!

KOOLAID2 on January 22, 2013 at 10:44 AM

You had better hope a gene is never found for “gayness” because suddenly those “reproductive” rights that you are so fond of will make a mockery of being gay..

melle1228 on January 22, 2013 at 10:40 AM

Wouldn’t that be interesting–a woman aborts her baby because he or she is found to be gay.

You can bet your bottom dollar (unless Obama gets it first) liberals will make that illegal.

Liam on January 22, 2013 at 10:45 AM

Yeah because killing an innocent defenseless human is the same thing.//

melle1228 on January 22, 2013 at 10:42 AM

That’s a lazy response.

The question is simple.

Should people be forced to watch the consequences of a legal choice they made?

segasagez on January 22, 2013 at 10:46 AM

Should jurors and judges be forced to watch the execution of those condemned to death? Should those who support capital punished be forced to watch an execution?

segasagez on January 22, 2013 at 10:40 AM

Interesting how you compare capital punishment to abortion. I agree that it is an apt comparison. Now just think, what is the difference between an unborn child and someone facing the death penalty?

weaselyone on January 22, 2013 at 10:47 AM

Wouldn’t that be interesting–a woman aborts her baby because he or she is found to be gay.

You can bet your bottom dollar (unless Obama gets it first) liberals will make that illegal.

Liam on January 22, 2013 at 10:45 AM

I don’t think they would. Publically they would give lip service to it, but they would be the first in line for an abortion. Liberals want the ability to have “perfect” babies only; and despite their lip service to tolerance – being gay is less than perfect.

melle1228 on January 22, 2013 at 10:47 AM

Here is the problem beside the obvious which is ending the life of a human being instead of being responsible. This is the case most of the time.

The problem is choice isn’t really choice. Being for abortion means just that. I bet most abortion clinics don’t push all the options. It is a get in and get out venue. I’m sure many women who go through this aren’t sure that they should be doing it.

If they truly want to be pro-choice they need to make sure the women are truly informed.

tomas on January 22, 2013 at 10:48 AM

This may surprise you but I would be perfectly comfortable with having jurors watch the person they sentenced be executed, if the oxygen-waster indeed gets executed before dying of old age in our legal system.

And here’s why: as a way to try and keep citizens who have the guts to sentence someone to death. Meaning you’re not just willing to sit your bum in a sterile, formalized court and say a few words, you’re willing to actually SEE the b@st@rd die.

In the old days the entire community would watch criminals hang because they all had the guts to see it done.

MelonCollie on January 22, 2013 at 10:44 AM

At least you’re consistent. Personally, I oppose capital punishment, but I don’t think those that condemn others to death should be forced to watch the person die.

segasagez on January 22, 2013 at 10:48 AM

Barring a complete ban on abortions, should a man be able to “unilaterally” force a woman to not abort the baby he helped make?

segasagez on January 22, 2013 at 10:44 AM

FTFY.

The horrid system you love so much leaves women with all the ‘choice’ and men with none. Even though without the man the ‘woman’ wouldn’t be pregnant.

Even if the man pleads “I’ll pay for every medical expense and you can leave me forever the minute the baby is born, just don’t butcher my child“, it’s no use. She can literally laugh in his face as she walks off to the Klanned Barrenhood clinic.

That’s what you’re promoting.

MelonCollie on January 22, 2013 at 10:48 AM

The question is simple.

Should people be forced to watch the consequences of a legal choice they made?

segasagez on January 22, 2013 at 10:46 AM

So you don’t oppose overturning Roe?

Your simple question is not affected by the antiquated decision.

weaselyone on January 22, 2013 at 10:48 AM

MelonCollie on January 22, 2013 at 10:44 AM

Hanging is too sterile. I prefer a firing squad or a burning at the stake myself. Maybe both, shoot, then burn. Gotta be sure!

astonerii on January 22, 2013 at 10:49 AM

segasagez on January 22, 2013 at 10:48 AM

You’re against executing a murderer, but your for killing a pre-born baby in the womb?

annoyinglittletwerp on January 22, 2013 at 10:50 AM

At least you’re consistent. Personally, I oppose capital punishment, but I don’t think those that condemn others to death should be forced to watch the person die.

segasagez on January 22, 2013 at 10:48 AM

Well thanks…I think.

The only reason I support it at all is if you want to stand in court and say that someone will have his/her life taken away by the state, you should have the spine to see it all the way through.

If that’s too much, then hand out a lesser sentence and don’t complain about having to fund his/her wretched existence with your tax dollars.

MelonCollie on January 22, 2013 at 10:51 AM

Interesting how you compare capital punishment to abortion. I agree that it is an apt comparison. Now just think, what is the difference between an unborn child and someone facing the death penalty?

weaselyone on January 22, 2013 at 10:47 AM

What does that matter to my point that we don’t force those who are making a life and death decision watch the consequences of that decision?

segasagez on January 22, 2013 at 10:51 AM

Americans understand that “pro-life” really means compulsory childbirth. The rape victim will be compelled, by lack of access to legal abortion, to give birth to her rapist’s child. The incest victim will have no choice but to bear her own brother or sister.

chumpThreads on January 22, 2013 at 10:35 AM

You do know the percentage of abortions that are rape and incest victims, right? So you would make a blanket statement like that even though you criticize others who do the same?

Deanna on January 22, 2013 at 10:51 AM

That’s a lazy response.

The question is simple.

Should people be forced to watch the consequences of a legal choice they made?

segasagez on January 22, 2013 at 10:46 AM

I have no problem with people seeing the consequences of their actions including juries.

I find it funny that the same people who view abortion as a choice- don’t want it to be an educated one. Let’s keep women in the dark and stupid, so when they later realize what they did- they have to live with the guilt. Which side really hates women?

melle1228 on January 22, 2013 at 10:51 AM

Hanging is too sterile. I prefer a firing squad or a burning at the stake myself. Maybe both, shoot, then burn. Gotta be sure!

astonerii on January 22, 2013 at 10:49 AM

I would love to see a law passed that convicted cop-killers can be stood up in front of a firing squad drawn from volunteers from the department of the slain, with the state covering if there’s less than the usual number.

Before all I say that ought to help put the fear of God into punks and gangsters!

MelonCollie on January 22, 2013 at 10:52 AM

FTFY.

The horrid system you love so much leaves women with all the ‘choice’ and men with none. Even though without the man the ‘woman’ wouldn’t be pregnant.

Even if the man pleads “I’ll pay for every medical expense and you can leave me forever the minute the baby is born, just don’t butcher my child“, it’s no use. She can literally laugh in his face as she walks off to the Klanned Barrenhood clinic.

That’s what you’re promoting.

MelonCollie on January 22, 2013 at 10:48 AM

What is the alternative though? Maybe all abortion illegal is one. Is there anything other than that?

By the way, I’m not promoting abortion. I haven’t even defended it.

segasagez on January 22, 2013 at 10:52 AM

As it has with gay rights, the tide is turning towards reproductive rights in this country. President Obama is the inspirational figure the current generation sees as a leader on these issues.

The rightists are rapidly becoming irrelevant. The nation will be a better place the faster that happens.

chumpThreads on January 22, 2013 at 10:35 AM

And it only took 4 years and a reelection campaign to make Bark that inspirational figure on gay rights.

So how long before Gitmo is closed down and the rest of humanity gets their rights too, because my calendar shows that it’s been more than 100 days since Bark became POTUS.

Bishop on January 22, 2013 at 10:53 AM

What is the alternative though? Maybe all abortion illegal is one. Is there anything other than that?

By the way, I’m not promoting abortion. I haven’t even defended it.

segasagez on January 22, 2013 at 10:52 AM

How about overturning Roe.

melle1228 on January 22, 2013 at 10:54 AM

You do know the percentage of abortions that are rape and incest victims, right? So you would make a blanket statement like that even though you criticize others who do the same?

Deanna on January 22, 2013 at 10:51 AM

In cases of rape, the hospital gives the morning-after pill as a matter of course. In most states, it’s available over the counter on request to women 17 and older. Younger than that, she needs a prescription. In any case, that pill isn’t expensive and its will work up to almost 72 hours after the act.

Liberals are so enamored of abortion they never consider those facts, let alone discuss them.

Liam on January 22, 2013 at 10:55 AM

So you don’t oppose overturning Roe?

Your simple question is not affected by the antiquated decision.

weaselyone on January 22, 2013 at 10:48 AM

I don’t think all abortions should be illegal. I don’t necessarily have a position on Roe. As much as overturning Roe would make all abortions illegal, I oppose overturning it. I don’t think that’s necessarily true though.

segasagez on January 22, 2013 at 10:56 AM

The rightists are rapidly becoming irrelevant. The nation will be a better place the faster that happens.

chumpThreads on January 22, 2013 at 10:35 AM

You must be the effing moron being interviewed in this clip. Do us all a favor and move to Venezuela, you imbecile.

Dopenstrange on January 22, 2013 at 10:57 AM

don’t think all abortions should be illegal. I don’t necessarily have a position on Roe. As much as overturning Roe would make all abortions illegal, I oppose overturning it. I don’t think that’s necessarily true though.

segasagez on January 22, 2013 at 10:56 AM

Overturning Roe would not make all abortion illegal. Abortions weren’t even all illegal before Roe. Maybe you should do some research on Roe and abortion and get back to us.

melle1228 on January 22, 2013 at 10:58 AM

You’re against executing a murderer, but your for killing a pre-born baby in the womb?

annoyinglittletwerp on January 22, 2013 at 10:50 AM

I’m against capital punishment, generally. I say generally because I’m against the implementation but can’t defend all those who are put to death. I’m against capital punishment but feel some people deserve death.

I struggle with it.

segasagez on January 22, 2013 at 10:58 AM

I don’t necessarily have a position on Roe. As much as overturning Roe would make all abortions illegal, I oppose overturning it. I don’t think that’s necessarily true though.

segasagez on January 22, 2013 at 10:56 AM

Not really. Overturn Roe and I guarantee states like Californication and the People’s Republic of Taxachusetts would rush through bills that made abortion legal for anyone at any age at any time, and other states would follow soon after.

The thing is there are massive problems with Roe that don’t even involve moral qualms, because it was a horrible decision from a court that shouldn’t have even heard the case.

MelonCollie on January 22, 2013 at 10:59 AM

Overturning Roe would not make all abortion illegal. Abortions weren’t even all illegal before Roe. Maybe you should do some research on Roe and abortion and get back to us.

melle1228 on January 22, 2013 at 10:58 AM

And what did I say?

segasagez on January 22, 2013 at 10:59 AM

That’s a lazy response.

The question is simple.

Should people be forced to watch the consequences of a legal choice they made?

segasagez on January 22, 2013 at 10:46 AM

When a woman is subjected to being approved to have an abortion by unanimous consent of 12 of her peers, then we can have this discussion.

weaselyone on January 22, 2013 at 10:59 AM

As it has with gay rights, the tide is turning towards reproductive rights in this country. President Obama is the inspirational figure the current generation sees as a leader on these issues.

chumpThreads on January 22, 2013 at 10:35 AM

Are we referring to dissecting a fetus as “reproductive rights” these days? Last time I checked my school books, the only being capable of reproducing by a knife was an earthworm. While about as slimy and spineless as a typical liberal, it is far smarter and actually useful.

Archivarix on January 22, 2013 at 11:00 AM

And what did I say?

segasagez on January 22, 2013 at 10:59 AM

. As much as overturning Roe would make all abortions illegal, I oppose overturning it

That’s what ya said..

melle1228 on January 22, 2013 at 11:00 AM

The problem is choice isn’t really choice. Being for abortion means just that. I bet most abortion clinics don’t push all the options. It is a get in and get out venue. I’m sure many women who go through this aren’t sure that they should be doing it.

If they truly want to be pro-choice they need to make sure the women are truly informed.

tomas on January 22, 2013 at 10:48 AM

“Pro-choice” is just a euphemism to make the dastardly procedure seem much more benign. Just like referring to the baby in the womb as a “fetus” and using statements like “it’s OK to abort a fetus that isn’t viable” instead of saying “we favor killing babies that need more time in their mother’s womb”.

Bitter Clinger on January 22, 2013 at 11:01 AM

MelonCollie on January 22, 2013 at 10:59 AM

Before Roe was even heard, NY had legalized abortion. I don’t know how far the law made it allowable, but I think the state was the first in the Union to do it.

Liam on January 22, 2013 at 11:01 AM

Before Roe was even heard, NY had legalized abortion. I don’t know how far the law made it allowable, but I think the state was the first in the Union to do it.

Liam on January 22, 2013 at 11:01 AM

Thank you. I wondered if it wasn’t NY or Cali that was the first in the nation. So much for overturning Roe = abortions illegal.

MelonCollie on January 22, 2013 at 11:02 AM

Not really. Overturn Roe and I guarantee states like Californication and the People’s Republic of Taxachusetts would rush through bills that made abortion legal for anyone at any age at any time, and other states would follow soon after.

MelonCollie on January 22, 2013 at 10:59 AM

The legal distance from a 3rd trimester abortion to a 64th trimester abortion is amazingly short. Some young voters don’t realize it yet, but it is.

Archivarix on January 22, 2013 at 11:03 AM

Before Roe was even heard, NY had legalized abortion. I don’t know how far the law made it allowable, but I think the state was the first in the Union to do it.

Liam on January 22, 2013 at 11:01 AM

I believe there were at least four that had legalized abortion with several others who made exceptions for rape.

melle1228 on January 22, 2013 at 11:03 AM

As it has with gay rights, the tide is turning towards reproductive rights in this country. President Obama is the inspirational figure the current generation sees as a leader on these issues.

chumpThreads on January 22, 2013 at 10:35 AM

Will you be OK with it when we become more like China and the government decides the only way to deal with our debt is to institute a one-child policy and force parents who get pregnant with a subsequent child to abort it?

Bitter Clinger on January 22, 2013 at 11:04 AM

The legal distance from a 3rd trimester abortion to a 64th trimester abortion is amazingly short. Some young voters don’t realize it yet, but it is.

Archivarix on January 22, 2013 at 11:03 AM

No, I think a lot of voters go by the viability line. The problem with viability is that it isn’t a legal term and is predicated on medical technology.

When Roe was overturned, viability was like 26-28 weeks. Now it is as early as 21 weeks.

melle1228 on January 22, 2013 at 11:05 AM

The legal distance from a 3rd trimester abortion to a 64th trimester abortion is amazingly short. Some young voters don’t realize it yet, but it is.

Archivarix on January 22, 2013 at 11:03 AM

Know what group was the first to spot a disturbing trend of post-natal abortions, like “Little Sizzlers” (kids ‘forgotten’ in hot cars)?

The childfree groups that are a million times more tired of paying for other people’s children than I am.

The world is upside-down.

MelonCollie on January 22, 2013 at 11:05 AM

I believe there were at least four that had legalized abortion with several others who made exceptions for rape.

melle1228 on January 22, 2013 at 11:03 AM

I’m not sure of the history of the various states on abortion, but I know they all allowed it to save the life of the mother. But now, with the morning-after pill, it doesn’t need to be done any more. The pill is cheaper, safer, and widely available on demand. A 17 year old is still legally a minor, but she can get it over the counter.

Maybe the whole thing boils down to money. If the clinics don’t have clients for abortion, they go out of business.

Liam on January 22, 2013 at 11:07 AM

Maybe all abortion illegal is one. Is there anything other than that?

By the way, I’m not promoting abortion. I haven’t even defended it.

segasagez on January 22, 2013 at 10:52 AM

Yes, making it an informed decision. You would expect.your doctor to explain a medical procedure thorughly. You would expect the doctor to explain any dangers involved. You would also expect your doctor to tell you of other choices you might have, medications, etc. And you probably have had things like x-rays, CAT scans, sonograms, etc. done before the procedure. So why not this one? And no, very little if any of that is done in an abortion clinic.

I think pro-abortion people tend to treat it as just something women can have done like a Pap smear or exam, while in fact is a surgical procedure, an invasive one. That is why Cuomo’s idea is such a bad one.

Deanna on January 22, 2013 at 11:07 AM

No, I think a lot of voters go by the viability line. The problem with viability is that it isn’t a legal term and is predicated on medical technology.

melle1228 on January 22, 2013 at 11:05 AM

Exactly, because viability has changed and may change again.

I stand on the premise that the line between life and death is detectable heart and brain activity. A person without a working brain is like a computer without a CPU: lights may be on, but it can’t function in any way.

MelonCollie on January 22, 2013 at 11:08 AM

Wouldn’t that be interesting–a woman aborts her baby because he or she is found to be gay.

You can bet your bottom dollar (unless Obama gets it first) liberals will make that illegal.

Liam on January 22, 2013 at 10:45 AM

Unlikely. The feminist leftists have yet to open their mouths about sex-selective abortions which disproportionately kills females, so it’s safe to assume the gay leftists will do likewise.

Maddie on January 22, 2013 at 11:10 AM

Unlikely. The feminist leftists have yet to open their mouths about sex-selective abortions which disproportionately kills females, so it’s safe to assume the gay leftists will do likewise.

Maddie on January 22, 2013 at 11:10 AM

You may well be right. I guess I gave liberals too much credit.

Liam on January 22, 2013 at 11:11 AM

What’s the big deal? Abortion kills little Democrats.

L. E. Light on January 22, 2013 at 11:11 AM

What a great idea for a new “reality” show!

Wander on January 22, 2013 at 11:13 AM

Yes, making it an informed decision. You would expect.your doctor to explain a medical procedure thorughly. You would expect the doctor to explain any dangers involved. You would also expect your doctor to tell you of other choices you might have, medications, etc. And you probably have had things like x-rays, CAT scans, sonograms, etc. done before the procedure. So why not this one? And no, very little if any of that is done in an abortion clinic.

I think pro-abortion people tend to treat it as just something women can have done like a Pap smear or exam, while in fact is a surgical procedure, an invasive one. That is why Cuomo’s idea is such a bad one.

Deanna on January 22, 2013 at 11:07 AM

Yes, the patient asks that of the doctor. The patient also has the freedom to not ask any questions though.

This argument simply isn’t honest though. The only reason why we want people to be “informed” is so that they change their choice. Are you saying that you’re comfortable with abortions being done or will support their legality if the above is done?

segasagez on January 22, 2013 at 11:14 AM

QUESTION: As a New Yorker, if I owned a gun, I would be restricted to a 7-round magazine, because the Political Illuminati have determined that any more is not good for society.

Can we take the same tack with abortion? We could cut abortions in half if women were restricted to just one, since 50% of all abortions are done on women who have been to the clinic anywhere between once and four times before.

Maddie on January 22, 2013 at 11:14 AM

You may well be right. I guess I gave liberals too much credit.

Liam on January 22, 2013 at 11:11 AM

Well of COURSE you did, Silly! :-)

Maddie on January 22, 2013 at 11:15 AM

Reading through this depressing thread, it’s clear that many of Hot Air’s readers are ready to throw the 2016 election to the Democrats. Abortion is going to kill the Republican Party.

wbcoleman on January 22, 2013 at 11:15 AM

Overturning Roe would not make all abortion illegal.
melle1228 on January 22, 2013 at 10:58 AM

Roe should be overturned not on moral grounds, but on legal grounds. The primary ground being that it was a fraudulent case. Even Norma McCorvey (“Jane Roe”) admits it was based on on perjured evidence.

whatcat on January 22, 2013 at 11:15 AM

…The rightists are rapidly becoming irrelevant. The nation will be a better place the faster that happens.

chumpThreads on January 22, 2013 at 10:35 AM

I’m sure you quasi believe this, but I don’t think you’ve thought this completely through. In order to determine the viability of a political philosophy, such as liberalism, or uber-liberalism, remove the contrarion position and extrapolate what unfettered liberalism would result in:

-An increasingly Balkinized nation, with each special interest group competing with the next

-The abolishment of our Second Amendment in any meaningful form

-An all-encompassing federal goverment, emboldened by its anti-Second Amendment successes to seek further such victories over the rest of the Bill of Rights

-A weakening of state’s rights

-Open borders, resulting in a citizenry with split or contrary loyalties

-The shrinking of the earning class (if we’re nothing else, we Conservatives are generally good earners,) and the explosion of the taking classes

The above is a recipe for disaster and anarchy, which is why conservatives are so dismissive of liberal philosophies. They won’t end well because they can’t end well.

CaptFlood on January 22, 2013 at 11:16 AM

As much as overturning Roe would make all abortions illegal, I oppose overturning it

That’s what ya said..

melle1228 on January 22, 2013 at 11:00 AM

You literally took the words out of context. It’s a sentence. The whole thing works together. You can’t just grab words out of it to make a new sentence!

segasagez on January 22, 2013 at 11:16 AM

Who changed the truth of God into a lie; and worshipped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

[26] For this cause God delivered them up to shameful affections. For their women have changed the natural use into that use which is against nature. [27] And, in like manner, the men also, leaving the natural use of the women, have burned in their lusts one towards another, men with men working that which is filthy, and receiving in themselves the recompense which was due to their error. [28] And as they liked not to have God in their knowledge, God delivered them up to a reprobate sense, to do those things which are not convenient; [29] Being filled with all iniquity, malice, fornication, avarice, wickedness, full of envy, murder, contention, deceit, malignity, whisperers, [30] Detractors, hateful to God, contumelious, proud, haughty, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,[31] Foolish, dissolute, without affection, without fidelity, without mercy. [32] Who, having known the justice of God, did not understand that they who do such things, are worthy of death; and not only they that do them, but they also that consent to them that do them.

Would anyone argue that they do not see the USofA in that warning? Honestly? That is us. We are in trouble.

God have mercy.

pannw on January 22, 2013 at 11:17 AM

Probably a lot of parents out there looking at their own kids now approaching middle age wishing they had made the liberal progressive Sanger choice back in the day.

Looking at a lifetime of hard work and achievement, American exceptionalism, all being tossed aside for new progressive collectivism under Obama with the adulation of the crowds, worshipping 30 and 40-somethings, is not pretty.

coldwarrior on January 22, 2013 at 11:19 AM

You literally took the words out of context. It’s a sentence. The whole thing works together. You can’t just grab words out of it to make a new sentence!

segasagez on January 22, 2013 at 11:16 AM

If you didn’t mean that Roe would make abortion illegal then your post was incoherent. I wasn’t the only one who “misunderstood” your post..

melle1228 on January 22, 2013 at 11:19 AM

What is the alternative though? Maybe all abortion illegal is one. Is there anything other than that?

By the way, I’m not promoting abortion. I haven’t even defended it.

segasagez on January 22, 2013 at 10:52 AM

You do realize that if Roe was overturned tomorrow, 90% of abortions would continue on as usual, do you not?

Maddie on January 22, 2013 at 11:20 AM

Ok let us assume that the poll is true, so now what are we supposed to do? Are we supposed to endorse abortion and alienate 40 million Christian voters who will not vote for an abortionist party?… If any genius (extreme sarcasm) on our side who thinks that Republicans should endorse abortion and win elections then he needs his head examined…

mnjg on January 22, 2013 at 11:21 AM

Roe should be overturned not on moral grounds, but on legal grounds. The primary ground being that it was a fraudulent case. Even Norma McCorvey (“Jane Roe”) admits it was based on on perjured evidence.

whatcat on January 22, 2013 at 11:15 AM

I agree. It wasn’t particularly Constitutional either. When you have Blackmon asking his wife and daughter their opinion…

melle1228 on January 22, 2013 at 11:22 AM

Reading through this depressing thread, it’s clear that many of Hot Air’s readers are ready to throw the 2016 election to the Democrats. Abortion is going to kill the Republican Party.

wbcoleman on January 22, 2013 at 11:15 AM

Show me one person who said that abortion should be a big thing in the 2016 elections.

This is an issue for SCOTUS to repeal or states to try and chip away at. Our candidates need to stay out of the issue because there is literally nothing they can do.

MelonCollie on January 22, 2013 at 11:23 AM

*I left this comment in another thread but saw fit to leave it here as well.

It wins by default, for the most part. How many people describe themselves as “pro-abortion”?

ddrintn on January 22, 2013 at 9:53 AM

Hence the pro-choice label. The more telling thing to look at is that most people identify as neither, which acgtually puts them in the pro-choice camp.

I would say that most people, and especially pro-choicers, ascribe to the spectrum argument when it comes to abortion, which goes like this:

Just as an acorn is not a tree, a fetus is not a baby. We don’t know at what point a fetus becomes a baby, some say it’s at the point of viability and others say it can be further along or even before viability. But what right do we have in determining that or making that choice for women?

Now, I have heard of the SLED argument (essentially there is no difference in value between a fetus and a baby) as a response to this, but the spectrum argument goes beyond that; everyone is starting to admit that the fetus is life; the question is now whether the fetus is valuable life that deserves the same protections as a person.

In my mind people won’t assign value to a fetus unless it has clear characteristics of a baby, which is why I believe people are hesitant to overturn Roe Vs. Wade.

ckoeber on January 22, 2013 at 11:23 AM

ckoeber on January 22, 2013 at 11:24 AM

God have mercy.

pannw on January 22, 2013 at 11:17 AM

But he will not. His Mercy was delivering his son to execution for our sins. But our people no longer repent in any level of their sins. They are lost and will find no mercy upon their souls.

astonerii on January 22, 2013 at 11:28 AM

Reading through this depressing thread, it’s clear that many of Hot Air’s readers are ready to throw the 2016 election to the Democrats. Abortion is going to kill the Republican Party.

wbcoleman on January 22, 2013 at 11:15 AM

I will be voting for whoever the GOP nominee is in 2016, and I am a pro-abortion zealot. I think many people in 2016 are only going to care about having a functioning economy.

thuja on January 22, 2013 at 11:29 AM

Roe should be overturned not on moral grounds, but on legal grounds. The primary ground being that it was a fraudulent case. Even Norma McCorvey (“Jane Roe”) admits it was based on on perjured evidence.
whatcat on January 22, 2013 at 11:15 AM

I agree. It wasn’t particularly Constitutional either. When you have Blackmon asking his wife and daughter their opinion…
melle1228 on January 22, 2013 at 11:22 AM

Yup, a total legal clustermuck all around.

whatcat on January 22, 2013 at 11:31 AM

How about a liberal thought process on abortion? Let’s have an IPAB to decide who needs an abortion. If the potential child is going to be a drag on the world economy and potentially add to the cause of global warming , it should be aborted.

Isn’t that how liberals think?

Tater Salad on January 22, 2013 at 11:32 AM

Yes, the patient asks that of the doctor. The patient also has the freedom to not ask any questions though.

This argument simply isn’t honest though. The only reason why we want people to be “informed” is so that they change their choice. Are you saying that you’re comfortable with abortions being done or will support their legality if the above is done?

segasagez on January 22, 2013 at 11:14 AM

Actually, doctors explain most procedures and other pertinant information without being asked, at least every doctor I have ever been to does that(and since I’m over 60 that’s a lot of doctors.) Even plastic surgeons performing a cosmetic operation inform their patients. If yours doesn’t it’s time to find a new doctor.

And it doesn’t matter the reason doctors do it. It might be actual concern for the patient, might be fear of a future law suit, they still do it. Does that make it wrong? Of course not and your argument is ridiculous.

I haven’t stated my stance on abortions. I simply pointed out the fact it is seldom treated as a medical surgical procedure as it should be.
I’m off to shovel my car out and hope it starts. Have a good day.

Deanna on January 22, 2013 at 11:33 AM

The rightists are rapidly becoming irrelevant. The nation will be a better place the faster that happens.

chumpThreads on January 22, 2013 at 10:35 AM

Listen white liberal communist low IQ scum… I know that deep down you feel totally irrelevant because despite that your communist party won the elections you and the other white liberal communist do not want to be with 50% of those who vote for your communist party as they are blacks and Hispanics… I know that you feel totally irrelevant because 59% of Whites vote Republicans and that Romney won the White votes in 40 states including California, New Jersey, New York and many other so called blue states… I know that you feel totally irrelevant because the majority of people who make over $ 50,000 and pay 90% of the taxes vote Republicans… I know that deep down as long as you do not get a majority of the White voters and as long as you do not get a majority of the producers who pay 90% of the taxes you and your white liberal scums feel that you are totally irrelevant…

mnjg on January 22, 2013 at 11:33 AM

Yes, of course we have to ban guns in order to save the children.

But abortions, HECK NO you can’t ban those, we need those to kill children!

And you wonder why we’re charging headlong into hell as a nation?

Also, each day I come closer to believing in the claim that liberalism is a mental disorder. It is, and judging by this past election, it’s obviously contagious.

Meople on January 22, 2013 at 11:34 AM

Shame.

Bmore on January 22, 2013 at 11:34 AM

Reading through this depressing thread, it’s clear that many of Hot Air’s readers are ready to throw the 2016 election to the Democrats. Abortion is going to kill the Republican Party.

wbcoleman on January 22, 2013 at 11:15 AM

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Defiance of ‘recognition of God’ is going to kill the whole country.
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I gotta go for a couple of hours, but I shall return . . . . . . .
(hate leaving a thread, like this)

listens2glenn on January 22, 2013 at 11:35 AM

This is an issue for SCOTUS to repeal or states to try and chip away at. Our candidates need to stay out of the issue because there is literally nothing they can do.
MelonCollie on January 22, 2013 at 11:23 AM

They could try to avoid getting suckered into making goofy clueless statements about magical uteruses and such in the meantime.

whatcat on January 22, 2013 at 11:35 AM

I wonder if they specified what ‘in all or most cases’ meant, if that would change opinion.

I hope most people are repulsed by the idea of woman who wishes to terminate her 7 month pregnancy because it ‘just isn’t convenient now.’

blindside on January 22, 2013 at 11:35 AM

You literally took the words out of context. It’s a sentence. The whole thing works together. You can’t just grab words out of it to make a new sentence!

segasagez on January 22, 2013 at 11:16 AM

If you didn’t mean that Roe would make abortion illegal then your post was incoherent. I wasn’t the only one who “misunderstood” your post..

melle1228 on January 22, 2013 at 11:19 AM

What is the alternative though? Maybe all abortion illegal is one. Is there anything other than that?

By the way, I’m not promoting abortion. I haven’t even defended it.

segasagez on January 22, 2013 at 10:52 AM

You do realize that if Roe was overturned tomorrow, 90% of abortions would continue on as usual, do you not?

Maddie on January 22, 2013 at 11:20 AM

If we’re not discussing the legality or illegality of abortion, what does Roe v Wade matter? I mean, would you support abortion being legal in some states but not in others?

segasagez on January 22, 2013 at 11:36 AM

Overturning Roe will never occur, the lefties would burn down the entire nation and kill people in droves before letting that happen.

Bishop on January 22, 2013 at 9:36 AM

Let them try.

blindside on January 22, 2013 at 11:37 AM

If we’re not discussing the legality or illegality of abortion, what does Roe v Wade matter? I mean, would you support abortion being legal in some states but not in others?

segasagez on January 22, 2013 at 11:36 AM

Because it is a perversion of our Constitution. And it was a case of justices legislating from the bench. That alone should appall people.

And it should be relegated to the states where they can oversee the issue locally.

melle1228 on January 22, 2013 at 11:38 AM

Actually, doctors explain most procedures and other pertinant information without being asked, at least every doctor I have ever been to does that(and since I’m over 60 that’s a lot of doctors.) Even plastic surgeons performing a cosmetic operation inform their patients. If yours doesn’t it’s time to find a new doctor.

And it doesn’t matter the reason doctors do it. It might be actual concern for the patient, might be fear of a future law suit, they still do it. Does that make it wrong? Of course not and your argument is ridiculous.

I haven’t stated my stance on abortions. I simply pointed out the fact it is seldom treated as a medical surgical procedure as it should be.
I’m off to shovel my car out and hope it starts. Have a good day.

Deanna on January 22, 2013 at 11:33 AM

Are patients forced to listen to the explanation of a procedure?

It’s my understanding that some people who are against abortion want to force patients to listen to the explanation of a procedure. If that’s not what you’re advocating, I misunderstood and I apologize.

segasagez on January 22, 2013 at 11:38 AM

The above is a recipe for disaster and anarchy…

CaptFlood on January 22, 2013 at 11:16 AM

Which is exactly what the moonbats want, so they can usher in their People’s Republic. They are pro-gay and pro-Muslim and pro-anything-anti-bourgeois only as a means to an end.

ddrintn on January 22, 2013 at 11:39 AM

Because it is a perversion of our Constitution. And it was a case of justices legislating from the bench. That alone should appall people.

And it should be relegated to the states where they can oversee the issue locally.

melle1228 on January 22, 2013 at 11:38 AM

Would you support some states legalization of abortions if it were overturned?

segasagez on January 22, 2013 at 11:40 AM

Bishop on January 22, 2013 at 9:36 AM

The irony of it is, through abortion, they already are killing droves of people…and the Manchurian President is attempting, politically, to accomplish the other.

kingsjester on January 22, 2013 at 11:40 AM

The rightists are rapidly becoming irrelevant. The nation will be a better place the faster that happens.

chumpThreads on January 22, 2013 at 10:35 AM

And sleep well knowing that when all the “rightists” are gone, and you’ve finally gotten your wacko leftist wet dream of a utopian country you’ve been working so hard for, you’re going to be very next one on the list for who gets dragged out of their home and beaten to death in the street.

Sleep tight, Commie.

Meople on January 22, 2013 at 11:40 AM

I become very libertarian on this issue, while I feel really strongly about many abortion issues, the change needs to come within society.

As conservatives we should morally and financially shun those who have had an abortion, or who support abortion. The market place of ideas will do more to stop abortions than anything else

Tater Salad on January 22, 2013 at 11:41 AM

Would you support some states legalization of abortions if it were overturned?

segasagez on January 22, 2013 at 11:40 AM

As long as I didn’t pay for it and I would fight locally to have it banned in my state.

melle1228 on January 22, 2013 at 11:42 AM

Define “most of the time”. That is quite the subjective phrase and leaves lots of wiggle room in this poll.

can_con on January 22, 2013 at 11:44 AM

Before we can win the legislative battle, we need to win the moral battle over abortion. It needs to be put in the context of human rights, not womens rights.

The legislation will follow public opinion.

Tater Salad on January 22, 2013 at 11:45 AM

As long as I didn’t pay for it and I would fight locally to have it banned in my state.

melle1228 on January 22, 2013 at 11:42 AM

Gotta be honest: I find that difficult to believe. If you feel that abortion is murder, why would you be comfortable with it being done in other states? I think you would fight to have it banned everywhere, and I wouldn’t hold it against you.

segasagez on January 22, 2013 at 11:46 AM

If we’re not discussing the legality or illegality of abortion, what does Roe v Wade matter? I mean, would you support abortion being legal in some states but not in others?

segasagez on January 22, 2013 at 11:36 AM

Speaking as someone on the rather unpopular side of this issue here at Hotair, there is one issue on which I agree with many pro-lifers: abortion law should be a concern of the states and not the federal government. I would support overturning Roe v Wade and letting the states decide abortion law. I hope those abortion laws are similar to what Cuomo is proposing in New York, but I know some states will ban abortion.

thuja on January 22, 2013 at 11:46 AM

And sleep well knowing that when all the “rightists” are gone, and you’ve finally gotten your wacko leftist wet dream of a utopian country you’ve been working so hard for, you’re going to be very next one on the list for who gets dragged out of their home and beaten to death in the street.

Sleep tight, Commie.

Meople on January 22, 2013 at 11:40 AM

Yep. “Useful idiots”.

ddrintn on January 22, 2013 at 11:47 AM

Reading through this depressing thread, it’s clear that many of Hot Air’s readers are ready to throw the 2016 election to the Democrats. Abortion is going to kill the Republican Party.

wbcoleman on January 22, 2013 at 11:15 AM

Unlike the Democrats, I’d rather lose a fight honestly, than by winning a fight by lying and obfuscating.

The Dems might be on a re-election high right now, but guess what? Gays are no more than 3% of the population (generous), so 97% might give lip service, but have no skin in the game.

With abortion, we might need to change the tactic, but not the message. Are the teens and twenty-somethings aware that 1 out of 4 pregnancies in this country ends in abortion? Every time a Millenial walks down a hallway with 2 of his friends, it should have been THREE friends. Are they aware that based just on that, they are going to have to kick in 33% more to Social Security to cover the Friend Who Never Was? Because you know NONE of the “pro-choice feminists” would agree to take a 25% haircut on THEIR SS payments.

Maddie on January 22, 2013 at 11:47 AM

Speaking as someone on the rather unpopular side of this issue here at Hotair, there is one issue on which I agree with many pro-lifers: abortion law should be a concern of the states and not the federal government.

thuja on January 22, 2013 at 11:46 AM

Oh, b.s. You say that because you assume that most states would still allow abortions on a fairly liberal basis. If 20 or so “red states” banned abortions outright except in the case of rape or incest, you’d be screaming about a Dictatorship of the Mouth-Breathing Rubes.

ddrintn on January 22, 2013 at 11:50 AM

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