Pro golfer looking for better greens after tax hikes take too much of his

posted at 2:31 pm on January 21, 2013 by Ed Morrissey

If one wonders what the difference is between static and dynamic tax analysis, Phil Mickelson gave a real-world example this weekend.  After tax hikes on big earners took place on both a federal and state level in California, the Golden State resident gave a big hint that he might either take his earnings somewhere else, or stop playing golf and rely on his investments:

Professional golfer Phil Mickelson told reporters Sunday that he is considering “drastic changes” in response to state and federal income tax hikes — including possibly leaving the United States.

“It’s been an interesting off-season. And I’m going to have to make some drastic changes. I’m not going to jump the gun and do it right away, but I will be making some drastic changes,” Mickelson said during a press conference following the Humana Challenge golf tournament in La Quinta, Calif.

When pressed by reporters about whether those “drastic changes” could include leaving California or even the United States, the four-time major championship winner didn’t foreclose the possibility. But he made clear the reason he is considering such drastic options is the massive tax burden he now shoulders.

“But if you add up, if you add up all the federal and you look at the disability and the unemployment and the Social Security and the state, my tax rate’s 62, 63 percent. So I’ve got to make some decisions on what I’m going to do,” said Mickelson.

In November, California voters approved Democratic Gov. Jerry Brown’s Proposition 30, which raised taxes on all state residents who earn more than $1 million in annual income. California now has the highest state income tax rate in the nation.

All right, class, here’s the lesson on tax analysis.  According to static analysis, used by proponents of tax hikes, raising the rate on people like Mickelson will derive a predictable amount of additional revenues because those proponents assume that the wealthy don’t have the resources or the intelligence to adjust to the new policy.  Dynamic tax analysis assumes that raising taxes will prompt the people with the most resources — like Mickelson — to change their behavior to meet the new tax environment.

Tax-hike proponents think California will get a bigger cut of Mickelson’s earnings.  Dynamic analysis proponents think California won’t get any of Mickelson’s earnings, because Mickelson’s likely to move to a state with no state income tax, or at least lower rates.  Which do you think is the more realistic assumption, and not just for Mickelson but for the rest of the well-resourced high-end earners looking for ways to minimize the bite on their checks? Oh, let’s not always see the same hands

The media reaction to this could best be described as mixed.  The Los Angeles Times’ Houston Mitchell lamented how difficult it was to generate sympathy for the rich, even as he admitted that Mickelson had a point:

It’s hard to feel sorry for a guy who has made more than $67 million in PGA Tour earnings (and that doesn’t even count millions more in endorsement deals), but you can sort of see his point. Phil Mickelson announced on Sunday that he will make “drastic changes” because of federal and California state tax increases.

Well, I don’t think Mickelson was looking for sympathy. I think he was explaining that he doesn’t have to put up with Jerry Brown’s tax hikes to fund a massively dysfunctional state government, and that he’s not likely to do so.  Fox Sports gave a much different take on Mickelson’s announcement:

Phil Mickelson gave a civics lesson after his play Sunday in the final round of the Humana Challenge. The lecture: I’m not going to pay more in taxes than I can take home to my wife and kids.

As a longtime California resident, Mickelson vented after shooting a final-round 66 for a 17-under 271 total and tie for 37th in his 2013 debut. Last fall, Californians approved Proposition 30, which boosts the state income tax to 13.3 percent on earnings of $1 million or more. That’s a 29.1 percent increase from the previous “millionaires tax” in a state with tremendous fiscal issues.

Compound that increased liability with the recent changes to the federal tax code, which bumps the top bracket to 39.6 percent from 35 percent to avoid going over the so-called fiscal cliff, and Mickelson’s tax hit is substantial.

Jeff Dunetz gets an A in dynamic tax analysis:

Some people vote at the ballot box, others vote with their feet.  As Mickelson implies–why work if you only get to keep 38% of your money?  Some people (who can afford it) will stop working, others may leave the country. But in the end, as usually happens higher tax rates (which the Democrats want to make even higher) lead to lower tax revenue.

Let’s put it this way.  Economic growth comes from the kind of dynamic policy that creates wealth rather than redistributes it in the assumption of a zero-sum game.  Tax policies created with static analysis in mind tend to produce stasis — or worse.

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Good for you Phil…

tell them to pound sand

cmsinaz on January 21, 2013 at 2:33 PM

No no no no no!!!

You MUST STAY and pay your “fair share”!! There is a point in time where you’ve “made enough”…

Khun Joe on January 21, 2013 at 2:34 PM

Phil should move. Starve the CA. tax man.

Bmore on January 21, 2013 at 2:36 PM

The Laffer Curve strikes again!

jnelchef on January 21, 2013 at 2:36 PM

Can you blame him? I mean come on! There was a time this country used to admire guys like Mickelson. Now thanks to Obama, we have idiots who look on anyone who is doing well based on their own hard work as the greedy enemy, one who should be taxed into next Tuesday.

Who can blame him for saying the hell with this country and just leaving?

Depardieu just may have started something!

pilamaye on January 21, 2013 at 2:40 PM

Hard to believe I was two years ahead of Phil in leaving California. I’m usually farther behind the curve.

What I pointed out in the headline thread on this is that it’s an indicator of the opportunity cost with these levels of taxation. All the achievers in our society will have less incentive to do whatever it is that they do. The economy, all of us, and tax revenues, will suffer.

trigon on January 21, 2013 at 2:41 PM

According to static analysis, used by proponents of tax hikes, raising the rate on people like Mickelson will derive a predictable amount of additional revenues because those proponents assume that the wealthy don’t have the resources or the intelligence to adjust to the new policy. Dynamic tax analysis assumes that raising taxes will prompt the people with the most resources — like Mickelson — to change their behavior to meet the new tax environment.

Ed, this only applies at the local level when individuals can easily move from one area to another. Although it remains to be seen whether Mick will actually leave his hometown on San Diego because of the higher tax rates. The CA prop was supported by many wealth creators- Hollywood moguls and venture capitalists- who have no intention of leaving the state.

Tax hikes that occurred during the Reagan, Bush, and Clinton eras has significant and far-reaching impact on national tax revenue as a percentage of GDP. There wasn’t a ‘dyanamic’ component that witnessed the movement of wealth elsewhere.

bayam on January 21, 2013 at 2:41 PM

If the government applied their static analysis to the fines they levy (e.g., speeding tickets, OSHA violoations, etc.), they would find that there is not point in raising those fines.

WashJeff on January 21, 2013 at 2:41 PM

At some point you run out of other people’s money.

Weight of Glory on January 21, 2013 at 2:41 PM

What a surprise. Libs really are stupid. BTW, that federal increase was a 13% increase. Not insubstantial.

AZfederalist on January 21, 2013 at 2:42 PM

Atlas shrugged and it ain’t unshrugging any time soon.

Schadenfreude on January 21, 2013 at 2:43 PM

There is a GOOD reason many, if not most, individual ( golf, tennis) athletes live in Florida.

Jabberwock on January 21, 2013 at 2:46 PM

Ed, this only applies at the local level when individuals can easily move from one area to another. Although it remains to be seen whether Mick will actually leave his hometown on San Diego because of the higher tax rates. The CA prop was supported by many wealth creators- Hollywood moguls and venture capitalists- who have no intention of leaving the state.

bayam on January 21, 2013 at 2:41 PM

Eternal annying azz and maggot, the rich white guys in Wall Street, finance/banking and Hollywood are all exempted by Obama. They own him and he makes them and him rich.

Your assinine babble is all for the birds.

Schadenfreude on January 21, 2013 at 2:46 PM

annoying

Schadenfreude on January 21, 2013 at 2:46 PM

Heh, the only guy who plays more golf than Obama wises up.

can_con on January 21, 2013 at 2:47 PM

Phil is an ASU grad….maybe coming back to AZ. We get lots of people running away from CA coming to AZ for this very reason.

azconservativegirl on January 21, 2013 at 2:47 PM

The rich never pay more. That’s why they are rich. They always escape elsewhere, because they can, and otherwise they push the increase onto thei goods/services.

Only fools who are clueless to economics believe otherwise.

Obama exempted Google, Costco and Hollywood from the 400,000+ taxes.

May he, bayam, and all the hypocrites spontaneously combust, for hypocrisy alone.

Schadenfreude on January 21, 2013 at 2:49 PM

What is that I hear? It’s not the ‘pitty patter of tiny little feet’… it’s the thunder of the wealthy stampeding out of California.

thatsafactjack on January 21, 2013 at 2:52 PM

The CA prop was supported by many wealth creators- Hollywood moguls and venture capitalists- who have no intention of leaving the state.
bayam on January 21, 2013 at 2:41 PM

Investment income vs earned income. Different rates.
Not sure about the moguls ( don’t they have a break in CA? ), but the venture folks for sure.

Jabberwock on January 21, 2013 at 2:52 PM

Move to a Red State, Phil. At least they will understand your point of view.

ROCnPhilly on January 21, 2013 at 2:52 PM

surprised he hadn’t already left.

gsherin on January 21, 2013 at 2:52 PM

Ed, this only applies at the local level when individuals can easily move from one area to another. Although it remains to be seen whether Mick will actually leave his hometown on San Diego because of the higher tax rates. The CA prop was supported by many wealth creators- Hollywood moguls and venture capitalists- who have no intention of leaving the state.

Tax hikes that occurred during the Reagan, Bush, and Clinton eras has significant and far-reaching impact on national tax revenue as a percentage of GDP. There wasn’t a ‘dyanamic’ component that witnessed the movement of wealth elsewhere.

bayam on January 21, 2013 at 2:41 PM

Low IQ communist scum… These Hollywood moguls and venture capitalists and the Wall Street bankers have benefited the most from Obama crony capitalism, more than any other time in history, and they are still benefiting… Obama is the biggest friend ever of Wall Street… Obama and the Federal Reserves have been printing trillion of dollars, to the peril of the nation, and lend it at zero interest to the Wall Street bankers who most of them are Limousine liberals, and thus these bankers are making more profits than ever… In the latest fiscal cliff deal Hollywood got a lot of tax breaks…

mnjg on January 21, 2013 at 2:53 PM

How long until Cali passes a law stating that you have to pay a fine to leave the state if you’re rich? After that, they’ll have to build a wall to keep their tax slaves in.

Weight of Glory on January 21, 2013 at 2:53 PM

Lefty Shrugs.

Jorge Bonilla on January 21, 2013 at 2:53 PM

Sadly, California is rapidly sliding down the slope toward becoming a larger Detroit.

thatsafactjack on January 21, 2013 at 2:54 PM

He can move to Texas to eliminate his state load. And cheaper cost-of-living.

michaelo on January 21, 2013 at 2:56 PM

Sadly, California is rapidly sliding down the slope toward becoming a larger Detroit.

thatsafactjack on January 21, 2013 at 2:54 PM

Self-made – they deserve it.

Schadenfreude on January 21, 2013 at 2:56 PM

Democrats believe that raising taxes doesn’t result in any real change. To their way of thinking, when the marginal rate goes up one or two percent people just get use to it. It being just too small a change to worry about. Unfortunately, reality is somewhat different. While most people don’t change their life style due to small changes, some do and the state then loses 100 percent of their tax bill when they move. Plus there are people who already started thinking about drastic changes the last time you “only raised their tax bill a few percent,” so any new raise would be their last straw. In any event, raising taxes never fixes deficits because even if you end up with more tax revenue all that does is allow Democrats to spend even more money on their pet projects.

Fred 2 on January 21, 2013 at 2:56 PM

mnjg on January 21, 2013 at 2:53 PM

Note how the maggots are ‘defending’ all this. I hope they all spontaneously combust from hypocrisy.

Schadenfreude on January 21, 2013 at 2:58 PM

Come on Phil, you could just buy a small island in the Caribbean with a signature golf course on it. Worked for Norm. Heck, even Copperfield has his own island resort.

LoganSix on January 21, 2013 at 2:59 PM

bayam on January 21, 2013 at 2:41 PM

Dude, I started my move out of California over three years ago. I, and my two businesses are already gone. I’m not alone. What you are arguing won’t happen already is happening.

trigon on January 21, 2013 at 2:59 PM

Note how the maggots are ‘defending’ all this. I hope they all spontaneously combust from hypocrisy.

Schadenfreude on January 21, 2013 at 2:58 PM

The stupidity and hypocrisy is beyond belief… Maybe bayam is part of the stupid liberal crowd and democrats voters, i.e. the super vast majority of liberals and democrat voters, who are not aware that Obama is bought and paid for by the Limousine liberals at Wall Street… or maybe they just do not care as long as they are getting their free stuff from the producers and Obama is giving them all the socialist red meat rhetoric that they want to hear and get orgasmic about…

mnjg on January 21, 2013 at 3:02 PM

Dude, I started my move out of California over three years ago. I, and my two businesses are already gone. I’m not alone. What you are arguing won’t happen already is happening.

trigon on January 21, 2013 at 2:59 PM

Yeah – but it’s GOOD that YOU left – you’re a racist homophobe that hates Obama. Everyone else except for those few that hate Teh Won will stay and make Gov Moonbeam LOTS of money! You watch!

-Bayam

CycloneCDB on January 21, 2013 at 3:06 PM

It’s so idiotic….”Let’s tax the very people that are MOST capable of leaving town MORE money to get them to leave town faster!”

Liberal logic is really funny to watch unwind. And by funny, I really mean sad.

search4truth on January 21, 2013 at 3:08 PM

congrats to Phil Mickelson for publically coming out and making his reasons known. I hope many many more of not only public figures but regular business owners make as much noise as possible over their taxes. And may even more middle-class Americans applaud their decisions.

Obama wants us more involved; I say we give him what he wants!

CoffeeLover on January 21, 2013 at 3:08 PM

bayam on January 21, 2013 at 2:41 PM

…hey you braying azz!…see the tax breaks your Hollywood mongrels got in JugEars tax the rich move recently?

KOOLAID2 on January 21, 2013 at 3:11 PM

Yeah – but it’s GOOD that YOU left – you’re a racist homophobe that hates Obama. Everyone else except for those few that hate Teh Won will stay and make Gov Moonbeam LOTS of money! You watch!

-Bayam

CycloneCDB on January 21, 2013 at 3:06 PM

I’m such an SOB. ;-)

trigon on January 21, 2013 at 3:12 PM

I moved my money to Canada. You can move your clubs to Texas.

pat on January 21, 2013 at 3:16 PM

Obama is bought and paid for by the Limousine liberals at Wall Street

So now he’s not a socialist-communist bent on destroying capitalism but a tool of Wall Street, kind of like Bush and his TARP program?

maybe they just do not care as long as they are getting their free stuff from the producers

You live in a fantasy land. Those liberal elites with Ivy League degrees are the producers, and states including New York, New Jersey, and California pay far more in federal taxes than they received in federal spending.

Most of the hand out states are red states. Then again, I don’t want to lessen your sense of outrage and victimization.

Sadly, California is rapidly sliding down the slope toward becoming a larger Detroit.

Last time I checked, California was the fifth largest economy in the world that continued to dominate across a number of key economic sectors. Unlike Detroit.
You need to provide evidence to justify that comparison.

bayam on January 21, 2013 at 3:18 PM

bayam on January 21, 2013 at 2:41 PM

Dude, I started my move out of California over three years ago. I, and my two businesses are already gone. I’m not alone. What you are arguing won’t happen already is happening.

trigon on January 21, 2013 at 2:59 PM

Sorry to hear that, losing a business is incredibly painful.

bayam on January 21, 2013 at 3:19 PM

Big fan of Phil, so I hope he doesn’t retire. However, Phil moving is the rational choice here.

It is truly stunning to me how anyone can say that Phil Mickelson should have to give 63% of what he makes (and make no mistake, both Obama and Brown want that number to go up, a lot), and that if he doesn’t, he is not paying his “fair share.”

Just think about it, to people like Obama, it is “fair” for Phil Mickelson to play each Thursday, Friday, and the first 4-5 holes on Saturday (if he makes the cut) for no reason but to give the government money. And then they think they are generous for letting him keep what he makes the rest of the weekend. It is stunning.

milcus on January 21, 2013 at 3:21 PM

Tax hikes that occurred during the Reagan, Bush, and Clinton eras has significant and far-reaching impact on national tax revenue as a percentage of GDP. There wasn’t a ‘dyanamic’ component that witnessed the movement of wealth elsewhere.

bayam on January 21, 2013 at 2:41 PM

You’d have more credibility if you would be honest. Tax hikes under Reagan? Yes, he agreed to raise the social security tax to preserve the system and agreed to changing some deductions in exchange for,spending cuts, 3 dollars of cuts for every dollar in tax increase. However, just like you, those other democrats lied and the promised spending cuts never came. Reagan instituted the largest tax reduction in history, decreasing the top marginal rate to 28% and that kicked off the great economic growth we enjoyed in the ensuing years. You fail to point out the tax cuts, but then liberals aren’t known for their honesty and you serve as an illustration of that fact. BTW, for the middle class, rates went from 33% to 28%.

AZfederalist on January 21, 2013 at 3:23 PM

And then they think they are generous for letting him keep what he makes the rest of the weekend. It is stunning.

milcus on January 21, 2013 at 3:21 PM

Obama killed the last shred of decency in the once great land.

Schadenfreude on January 21, 2013 at 3:24 PM

How long until Cali passes a law stating that you have to pay a fine to leave the state if you’re rich? After that, they’ll have to build a wall to keep their tax slaves in.

Weight of Glory on January 21, 2013 at 2:53 PM

We’re already there on the national level.

Steve Eggleston on January 21, 2013 at 3:28 PM

Sorry to hear that, losing a business is incredibly painful.

bayam on January 21, 2013 at 3:19 PM

You goofball. I run both of them here in Texas, now. I’ve expanded the space for one of them, already.

I’m sorry for your loss, though.

Not!

trigon on January 21, 2013 at 3:31 PM

Steve Eggleston on January 21, 2013 at 3:28 PM

Ugh. Got to love that tax code!

Weight of Glory on January 21, 2013 at 3:32 PM

Ed, this only applies at the local level when individuals can easily move from one area to another.

bayam on January 21, 2013 at 2:41 PM

hey lightweight, it happens on whatever level the player can affect his desire to reduce his taxes. Detroit emptied to the suburbs, Michigam residents bailed south, I know several Texans that have built in the mountains of Mexico in San Miguel de Alliende and Costa Rica and Panama. Why I even heard of a frenchman heading next door to Belgium recently. You don’t get around much do you bayam?

DanMan on January 21, 2013 at 3:35 PM

Even though he was pushed out, I still think Herman Cain’s 9,9,9 plan (if tweaked) could be the way to go. Nobody should have to pay more than 30-35% of what they earn to government.

can_con on January 21, 2013 at 3:36 PM

The thing that gets me is that it’s the middle class all these taxes affect the most. I send nearly 80k/year to the state and federal governments. I’d much rather have that $ to be able to spend on my parents or kids. The rich can afford to move states or countries. Some of us are stuck with local businesses or in certain natural resource industries where those sorts of moves are more difficult.

It amazes me.. Occasionally I run into someone who is bragging how they finally “retired” at age 40, and by that they mean finally got approved for disability. It turns my stomach to know that my hard earned tax money goes to support between 3 and 5 of these scum sucking pieces of crap.

Eff them all. I’m –> <– that close to joining the gravy train and trying to get every single person I know as many government benefits as possible. At least if I help crash the system I know I have ability to get it together and try and make something of the rubble. These disabled retirees? Not so much.

preallocated on January 21, 2013 at 3:36 PM

So now he’s not a socialist-communist bent on destroying capitalism but a tool of Wall Street, kind of like Bush and his TARP program?

You live in a fantasy land. Those liberal elites with Ivy League degrees are the producers, and states including New York, New Jersey, and California pay far more in federal taxes than they received in federal spending.

Most of the hand out states are red states. Then again, I don’t want to lessen your sense of outrage and victimization.

Again communist scum you are wrong as usual… Wall Street is not capitalism at least not in its current form with its total reliance on zero interest of trillions of dollars printed by the government so they can make record profits… So yes Obama is still a socialist as he has drastically increased the size of the parasite class… The vast majority of receivers of tax payers handouts are democrat voters whether they live in red states or blue states… In fact if only white people voted, i.e. the super majority of producers, Romney would have won 40 states including California, New York and New Jersey…

mnjg on January 21, 2013 at 3:39 PM

As the headlines article notes, we are not caring about how the message plays… So I suggest we change our taxes argument to the true conservative and true fair position of. One flat rate tax. No %, a simple rate. Take the amount of the budget and divide by the number of adults and that is everyone’s individual tax for the year.
$3.8 trillion with about 240 million adults is $15,833.33.

Glad we were able to come to the position that messaging is no longer a critical part of our positions.

astonerii on January 21, 2013 at 3:39 PM

preallocated on January 21, 2013 at 3:36 PM

As of yesterday 13 workers sustain 1 ‘disabled’ on the dole (many mental ones…they voted for Obama). This does not include the welfare and other queens.

Schadenfreude on January 21, 2013 at 3:41 PM

can_con on January 21, 2013 at 3:36 PM

Just to clarify, I mean all taxes. City, fed,sales.

can_con on January 21, 2013 at 3:42 PM

Also here is another fact for communist scum Bayam…

Romney won the majority of people making more than $ 50,000 a year, Obama won majority of those who make less $ 50,000 a year… In other word Romney won the majority of those who pay 90% of the income taxes…

http://www.statista.com/statistics/245889/voter-turnout-of-the-exit-polls-of-the-2012-elections-by-income/

mnjg on January 21, 2013 at 3:42 PM

astonerii on January 21, 2013 at 3:39 PM

They believe in “fairness” and “equality”. Give it to them and see how the maggots will move in the slush.

Schadenfreude on January 21, 2013 at 3:43 PM

They believe in “fairness” and “equality”. Give it to them and see how the maggots will move in the slush.

Schadenfreude on January 21, 2013 at 3:43 PM

All I did in the headline article was say that he was not sympathetic to the people who we need to change the minds of, and I am the antichrist to them…

astonerii on January 21, 2013 at 3:45 PM

Move to Arizona Phil. You can still play lots of golf (all year round here) and fly (or drive) to Cali anytime you want to hit the beach….

powerpickle on January 21, 2013 at 3:47 PM

I have to admit, I’ve been sitting here, off and on, this January, thinking about how much money I need to make versus how much money I could make.

When it gets hot here in Texas this summer, I could keep on working and pay for the air conditioning, or, I could go fishing up in the Rockies. Maybe do some agate hunting up on the Yellowstone…

trigon on January 21, 2013 at 3:51 PM

Phil should move. Starve the CA. tax man.

Bmore on January 21, 2013 at 2:36 PM

Some might say that if too many millionaires leave, they’d be inclined to raise taxes.

But, stay or go, we all know they’re going to raise taxes anyway.

Dr. ZhivBlago on January 21, 2013 at 3:51 PM

Occasionally I run into someone who is bragging how they finally “retired” at age 40, and by that they mean finally got approved for disability.

I know what you mean preallocated. Early in Obama’s first term, probably early 2010 sometime a buddy and I were in line for a hamburger at a local dive. A black guy behind us started a conversation about veterans and we started talking to him and it turned out he was some kind of veterans benefits facilitator. He gave us cards and went on and on about all the bennies veterans could get.

When we were eating we saw him leave in his nice Jag that he pulled out of a handicapped space. He showed no sign of disability while he stood in line with us.

I also know of two couples that are younger than me (40′s) and all four of them are on full disability. A former Houston cop, a former NASA engineer, a former equipment rental clerk and a caterer that can’t keep a job. Their disablities include PTSD (cop), migraines (NASA gal), back problems (he worked a counter and says he can’t stand for long periods) and mental problems (caterer, thoughts of suicide). Both couples combine well above $75k/year each and stay home all day.

DanMan on January 21, 2013 at 3:55 PM

I have to admit, I’ve been sitting here, off and on, this January, thinking about how much money I need to make versus how much money I could make.

When it gets hot here in Texas this summer, I could keep on working and pay for the air conditioning, or, I could go fishing up in the Rockies. Maybe do some agate hunting up on the Yellowstone…

trigon on January 21, 2013 at 3:51 PM

I hear ya! Did that back in 08-09.

astonerii on January 21, 2013 at 3:55 PM

When it gets hot here in Texas this summer, I could keep on working and pay for the air conditioning, or, I could go fishing up in the Rockies. Maybe do some agate hunting up on the Yellowstone…

trigon on January 21, 2013 at 3:51 PM

That sounds like a lot of fun!

I’d say go for it. Life’s short and they’ll just rob you more if you work harder anyway. Never thought I’d advocate those that can earn more money for putting in more work not doing so, but given the circumstances I can’t blame folks.

See if you can get some kind of handout while you’re at it. I can’t currently find anything I qualify for but I figure it’s just a matter of time.

Starve the system.

Dr. ZhivBlago on January 21, 2013 at 3:56 PM

I thought Michelson was a smart man. He is the probably the last good professional golfer to live in California. Niether Texas or Florida have an individual income tax. Pack up and move like the rest of your cohorts.

SC.Charlie on January 21, 2013 at 3:59 PM

DanMan on January 21, 2013 at 3:55 PM

I am one of those people that they tried to get to go on full disability… All you have to do is say such and such, and such and such and when those key words are spoken, bam, there you are. I am under compensated for my disability, but I sure as hell am not going to lie to them to get something. I should get what I lost/ am losing every year.

By the way, migraine can severely destroy your money making ability, it is what I have. You would never know I was disabled, unless you happened to live in my house or employed me. I end up unemployed on average once every 18 months having to find a new job because eventually I miss one too many meetings.

astonerii on January 21, 2013 at 4:00 PM

See if you can get some kind of handout while you’re at it. I can’t currently find anything I qualify for but I figure it’s just a matter of time.

Starve the system.

Dr. ZhivBlago on January 21, 2013 at 3:56 PM

I can’t really bring myself to do something like that.

My Dad turns 88 tomorrow. He still gets around great for his age. It really would be good to take some time off with him. Time and opportunities slip by too easily. Money, meh.

trigon on January 21, 2013 at 4:09 PM

Last time I checked, California was the fifth largest economy in the world that continued to dominate across a number of key economic sectors. Unlike Detroit.
You need to provide evidence to justify that comparison.

bayam on January 21, 2013 at 3:18 PM

What color is the sky in your little world?

Is it pretty?

Solaratov on January 21, 2013 at 4:18 PM

The cynic in me sees this as posturing, so that FIGJAM Michelson can get invited to a golf and beer summit with SCOAMT Obama. I’ll believe you’re ready to make a change when you’ve MADE the change Phil. Telling people you might do something drastic is a classic cry for help, so what kind of help are you looking for?

CitizenEgg on January 21, 2013 at 4:24 PM

Pro athletes must pay taxes in the cities and states where they earn their income. I know a pro football exec who pays taxes in all of the states where the team plays. It is complex the way it is figured, but moving from one state to another will not eliminate all of the tax burden, but it will eliminate the state income tax from California if he moves to an income tax free state.

hip shot on January 21, 2013 at 4:30 PM

Time and opportunities slip by too easily. Money, meh.

trigon on January 21, 2013 at 4:09 PM

indeed, my dad passed last year at 85…one more day, if I could have one more day

DanMan on January 21, 2013 at 4:30 PM

Dn’t worry – all those true Americans in Hollywood will be more than happy to pay their fair share. No doubt Beyonnce showed up at thecelebration today with a bag of money for BO.

katiejane on January 21, 2013 at 4:31 PM

I could have sworn he lived in Scottsdale, AZ. Well, move to AZ and help Sheriff Joe, Phil.

Casper the Friendly Host on January 21, 2013 at 4:32 PM

astonerii on January 21, 2013 at 4:00 PM

The equipment rental guy was a friend of mine for decades and turned into a simpering alcoholic. He met the NASA gal in rehab, divorced his wife that tried to stand by him for awhile and they have been reselling crap on eBay and popping pills ever since. But he is proud of himself for not drinking. Yea! These two bring $84k worth of bennies his ex tells me.

The caterer was married to another friend of mine. He did very well as a contractor for EXXON but everytime he had to travel she would get some kind of anxiety and make another suicide attempt. He was being held hostage but stuck with her for a few years until she finally demanded and got a divorce. He is doing his best to keep her 18 son off the streets now. I don’t know the cop’s story other than her son tells us they too sit all day and pop pills.

Sorry to hear of your condition but these folks I am describing used to work and now feel they don’t have to. And the rental guy actually claims to be retired and is maybe 48.

DanMan on January 21, 2013 at 4:43 PM

Phil put his Rancho Santa Fe, CA home up for sale last summer. Nevada or Arizona would be my guess. He went to college at ASU and lived there for a while after school, but his current coach lives in Las Vagas. I doubt he’d go to Texas of Florida, but he did say “drastic”…

HornHiAceDeuce on January 21, 2013 at 4:46 PM

Dr. ZhivBlago on January 21, 2013 at 3:51 PM

Raising taxes will not help them. LaRazza will have to make up the difference.

Bmore on January 21, 2013 at 4:48 PM

One too many z’s sorry.

Bmore on January 21, 2013 at 4:49 PM

I live around the corner from Phil’s parents and about 8 houses down from his sister and her husbands house. The parents are wonderful contributors to the community as is Phil, the bro-in law is however the a typical public employee (fireman) lover of democrats. The last election he was perhaps the only person on the hill who had a “Filner” sign in his yard.. sadly Filner won and San Diego is screwed.

I’m plotting for a June exit from California, a state I grew up in and love but will not standby by while made a target because I sought success. Hopefully Phil joins me in Nevada and not Clark county either but rather north in the sierras.

theblacksheepwasright on January 21, 2013 at 4:55 PM

Sorry to hear of your condition but these folks I am describing used to work and now feel they don’t have to. And the rental guy actually claims to be retired and is maybe 48.

DanMan on January 21, 2013 at 4:43 PM

Well, they are collecting Social Security, so you could stretch that to “retirement” even though it is the disability benefit of OASDI. Only partially dishonest.

AZfederalist on January 21, 2013 at 4:58 PM

Self-made – they deserve it.

Schadenfreude on January 21, 2013 at 2:56 PM

both were self made …. detroit and CA

conservative tarheel on January 21, 2013 at 5:01 PM

WOW! You tax people and they leave. Liberals’ bubble hardest hit.

MrX on January 21, 2013 at 5:05 PM

Ed, this only applies at the local level when individuals can easily move from one area to another

bayam,
No, actually it does not. Wealthy people all over the country, not just the ones who can pick up and leave, end up scaling back because it is simply not worth it. I had a business in California with 5 employees. Two years ago I left because it became untenable. In Texas, I don’t need as much money so I don’t work nearly as hard. Not only did the bloodsuckers in California lose my tax revenue (personal and business), but also the tax revenue from my now unememployed ex-employees. AND the fed bloodsuckers lost the substantial difference in taxes from my reduced income and taxes from the income of my now unemployed ex-employees.

Now, take your progressive BS and try to pedddle it to your friends who don’t know any better.

NOMOBO on January 21, 2013 at 5:06 PM

So now he’s not a socialist-communist bent on destroying capitalism but a tool of Wall Street, kind of like Bush and his TARP program?

Obama is a tool of crony capitalism just like Bush was. If you donate money to the progressive cause and Obama you get rewarded by getting federal and state money. So yes Bush and Obama are similar in that regard. Does that make you feel better?

You live in a fantasy land. Those liberal elites with Ivy League degrees are the producers, and states including New York, New Jersey, and California pay far more in federal taxes than they received in federal spending. Most of the hand out states are red states. Then again, I don’t want to lessen your sense of outrage and victimization.

Ivy League schools are overrated in certain fields of study. They have produced a large proportion of our political leaders in America who have put us in the financial mess. Bush graduated from Yale and Obama from Columbia and Harvard…not exactly impressive products. Also New York, New Jersey and California have massive debt loads and inept governments. Those red states, like Texas, are on rise. They are the future. New York and California are the past.

Last time I checked, California was the fifth largest economy in the world that continued to dominate across a number of key economic sectors. Unlike Detroit.
You need to provide evidence to justify that comparison.

bayam on January 21, 2013 at 3:18 PM

“All empires come to an end”

Napoleon to the defeated Austrian General Karl Mack after the Austrian army surrendered at the Battle of Battle of Ulm (1805).

:)

William Eaton on January 21, 2013 at 5:09 PM

DanMan on January 21, 2013 at 4:43 PM

Yeah, I hear ya. I hate the whole idea of government handouts to layabouts. Those hand outs should come from people who value the money and are willing to put some effort into making certain the money goes to truly needy people. Not to mention, the money coming from people who really care about them would make it harder for them to scam and feel good about themselves.

astonerii on January 21, 2013 at 5:11 PM

WOW! You tax people and they leave. Liberals’ bubble hardest hit.

MrX on January 21, 2013 at 5:05 PM

NYC learned that the hard way … passed a millionaire tax and …
lots of millionaires left …

conservative tarheel on January 21, 2013 at 5:12 PM

One of Phil’s neighbors in Rancho Santa Fe is a good buddy of mine. He tells me Amy pushed Phil to move from AZ because he was running too hard with his golf buddies (gambling, drinking, etc.)

Phil never wanted to move in the first place.

Remember that Phil picked up a big check from Calloway right before the Ryder Cup a few years ago. The rumor was that he owed millions to the Vegas casinos.

johnboy on January 21, 2013 at 5:12 PM

Yep, the article was tongue-in-cheek, given the guys “occupation”. But how many others like him bust their butts each day to bring in the same amount of money.

How many of them are also wondering “WHY AM I DOING THIS?”

That 47% had damned well better hope ‘the fat cats’ continue to work. The Chinese aren’t going to keep loaning us money forever.

GarandFan on January 21, 2013 at 5:31 PM

One of Phil’s neighbors in Rancho Santa Fe is a good buddy of mine. He tells me Amy pushed Phil to move from AZ because he was running too hard with his golf buddies (gambling, drinking, etc.)

Phil never wanted to move in the first place.

Remember that Phil picked up a big check from Calloway right before the Ryder Cup a few years ago. The rumor was that he owed millions to the Vegas casinos.

johnboy on January 21, 2013 at 5:12 PM

Facts or rumors? Either way this would fall under Phil’s business.

DDay on January 21, 2013 at 5:36 PM

Move to a Red State, Phil. At least they’ll understand your point of view.

ROCnPhilly on January 21, 2013 at 5:52 PM

Remember that Phil picked up a big check from Calloway right before the Ryder Cup a few years ago. The rumor was that he owed millions to the Vegas casinos.

Is it right to pass along unsubstantiated rumors?

Phil was raised in SD in fact went to a HS (where mine went)less than 1 mile from my home which is situated a little over 1 mile from his parents so his coming to SD would hardly be running from drinks/ casinos but rather being closer to family. This would include his liberal brother in law.

theblacksheepwasright on January 21, 2013 at 5:59 PM

Come to Virginia, Phil. :)

22044 on January 21, 2013 at 6:05 PM

Rosenfart and the Liberal crew from the Golf Channel have already started their Liberal slant. At least they had one thing right, Phil does have tough skin and he will need it. Texas would be happy to have you Phil and you probably have California friends already living and moving here.

DDay on January 21, 2013 at 6:09 PM

Tax-hike proponents think California will get a bigger cut of Mickelson’s earnings. Dynamic analysis proponents think California won’t get any of Mickelson’s earnings, because Mickelson’s likely to move to a state with no state income tax, or at least lower rates.

And they will never figure it out, either. At the end of the year, they’ll be saying, “Wait. We raised the tax rates, and we’re getting less tax revenue. That can’t be right!

And then they’ll try to fix it by spending more money on tax enforcement. Which will lead to even less revenue. Which will lead to hiking the tax rates. Which will — oh, this is where we came in…

There Goes The Neighborhood on January 21, 2013 at 6:21 PM

for California to be seriously looking at “exit” taxation (impossible to administer BTW) is all anybody needs to know…they have a ton of employees that predict trends.

teejk on January 21, 2013 at 6:35 PM

We don’t need anymore CA emigrants in AZ. They vote like they did in CA.

Jasper61 on January 21, 2013 at 9:00 PM

We don’t need anymore CA emigrants in AZ. They vote like they did in CA.

Jasper61 on January 21, 2013 at 9:00 PM

Yeah, we are having the same problem here in Texas. They move here because there are jobs, an economy and a low tax rate and then vote the same way that they did back home. They can’t seem to put two and two together: that it was the people for whom they voted back home (the Democrats) who made things so bad. They’re like locusts; they strip one area and then move to another to strip it bare.

I wish that they could figure out that if you leave a culture which is horribly corrupt for a place where the culture is good to not bring the problematic, corrupt culture with you. Leave it behind and assimilate into the better one.

Theophile on January 22, 2013 at 3:09 AM

We don’t need anymore CA emigrants in AZ. They vote like they did in CA.

Jasper61 on January 21, 2013 at 9:00 PM

I believe the word you’re looking for is “locusts”.

Steve Eggleston on January 22, 2013 at 7:20 AM

Mickelson won’t “retire”. He loves to compete and he can still win another major or two.

But he probably will cut back on his schedule, playing only the tournaments he really wants to play, and move out of California.

Of course, the lefties, socialists, and commies will be outraged that he wants to avoid paying 62 cents of every dollar he makes over $1 million to the government. How dare comrade Mickelson selfishly refuse to work as hard as he can to increase government revenues for the benefit of the people. He owes it to his fellow comrades to do what has been “asked” of him.

farsighted on January 22, 2013 at 8:25 AM

Some people vote at the ballot box, others vote with their feet. As Mickelson implies–why work if you only get to keep 38% of your money?

Precisely.

To boot you will be demonized for making so much money. And you will be condemned if you say enough is enough and say you will no longer work primarily for the government instead of primarily for yourself and your family

farsighted on January 22, 2013 at 8:32 AM

bayam on January 21, 2013 at 2:41 PM

I’m just curious why you don’t think it’s an issue to be taxed so highly.
Why don’t you think it’s an issue that if one is taxed at a higher % than they would actually bring home?
If Hollywood rich types etc. are OK with this, it is obvious they are not being affected by it bcs they have found a way to AVOID it somehow.
I realize there are people out there who want to give away all their worldly possessions to some entity & strive to make more just to do so.
But they are not legion.
And they are people who give to charities, not the Govt.
No person, liberal or conservative, in their right minds, would want to have to work harder to bring home less.
It is why people are leaving CA in droves & have been for decades.
My uncle moved his SoCal aviation parts business to Nevada bcs he was tired of being taxed to death.
An this was probably 20 years ago.
I have family still living in SoCal-Vallejo, Novato etc. & they are not rich & chomping at the bit to leave.
My aunt & uncle lost their house & the only thing keeping them there now is my uncle’s a county employee with a few years left to go for retirement.
The place is a mess. And I have watched it deteriorate since I was a kid living there.
I loved SoCal, but you couldn’t pay me to live there.
It’s beautiful & horrible all at the same time.
It’s a cancerous place. It will wither & dry up, much like the fertile irrigated farm fields.

Badger40 on January 22, 2013 at 8:32 AM

I’m sort of glad that the taxes are so high on the Hollywood crowd. I just wish they had their own special socialist tax rate and the usefully employed rich businessmen had a rate befitting a country which believes in capitalism.

thuja on January 22, 2013 at 8:48 AM

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